Fderal 595rs vs. falken Azenis rt615's?

[SuicidnS13]

So guys which do you prefer and why? They are both about the same price point. Im going to be ordering tires soon and opinions and feedback would be awesome. The car is only driven maybe 1-2x per week so tread life is not a major concern(But which one wears better?). But for overall street/track grip which is the best?

[OptionZero]

Wait for the Toyo R1-R, Kumho XS, and RE-11 (i think thats what it's called).

Also search cuz there's a thread on this. I would bet on the RT's.

And the RT's look pretty.

[D1GP]

my vote goes towards the rt-615s.

[LongGrain]

azenis by a long shot.

[powersteeringless180sx]

i was gonna start a thread asking this too cuz i couldn't find any opinions on the 595rs. but everyone says not run 595ss in the front which makes weary on the getting the rs. i've got ss's on the back though and i like them. i'm leaning towards the rt615's cuz the price isn't too much than the 595rs. i wonder which one's better for daily though.

[Grenade180sx]

personal pref.

but if your worried about it look at the tread wear on both.

the softer the tirer the faster it will wear but the stickier it is

[ripnbst]

personal pref.

but if your worried about it look at the tread wear on both.

the softer the tirer the faster it will wear but the stickier it is

In most cases.

[DOOK]

the RT615s are a more performance oriented autoX style tire, the 595s are drift inspired... the RTs will have a softer tread compound and be less resistant to wear, but will general grip better with their thicker tread blocks...

[smelly240]

he said 595 RS not SS you guys... just making sure everyone noticed.

I thought the RS were gonna be pretty badass... I havent used them I have the Hankook RS-2

[slownslurious]

not so with tires in that category, the manufacturers cannot rate a tire with a higher (longer lasting) wear number than they actually test and verify, but they are free to use a lower wear number if they choose. Most enthusiasts considering a maximum performance tire use grip/traction as their sole selection criteria, and a lower wear number gives the impression of higher grip. Case in point, the Toyo RA-1 bore a wear number of 40 when it came out years ago, and once it became established as a benchmark tire in dry grip, it was moved up to the wear number it tested at, 100, which was also a political move because certain sanctioning bodies had formed street tire classes requiring wear ratings of 100 or higher.

given the reputation of the two manufacturers mentioned alone, I would go with the falkens. I have personally ran both Azenis 215's and the newer 615's and they are both wonderful tires. the 615's enjoy a great deal more real world driveability than other tires with comparable grip due to their decent wet performance (still gonna hydroplane off the road if you push too hard with standing water on the road though).

The 615 is a very popular tire with track day enthusiasts and autocrossers, whereas I've seen very few running the federal tire...

In autocross hundreds of a second can count, so those guys will usually run whatever tire is the fastest in their class.

So whatever thats worth.

[smelly240]

I think that Logan has used both - maybe he can chime in

[murda-c]

I'd pic the 615s as well

I can't wait for the potenza re-11s to come out.

especially since i got a job at firestone :)

[racepar1]

Is this a serious question!!!??? :squint: HMMMMMMMM, lame federals or proven azenis? Jeez I just can't decide! :cj: I have azenis on my car and I love them. For the price you simply can't beat them.

[Full-Lock]

just to let you know
rt615s are heavy as fuck

[smelly240]

and they get greasy when they get hot. They're an autocross monster tho.

[gotta240]

First off, who of the above have ACTUALLY USED THE 595 RS?

Most of the people on this board are 17 year olds who do nothing other than pick products by NAME.

I have personally used the rs myself, and love them. The RS is comparable in price to the azenis, but offer a better size selection(which is why i went with the RS). Also, at the last gymkana event i was in, i spoke with a fellow s14 owner who had JUST switched from azenis to the RS. They said grip feels the same, but they don't feel like butter when hot.

I'm not nocking the azenis AT ALL, nor am i saying the RS is even a better tire. I AM SAYING, most, if not all the above poster prob. have never even seen a 595 RS in real life, yet alone driven on one. Look around and do your own research. Not many people have tried the RS yet simply because of name, however, i haven't heard a SINGLE BAD REVIEW from those who HAVE used them.

[lucky7]

i was being cheap last season, and made a big mistake. i have 2 595's on the front of my car, and RE070's on the back. dont worry, i am now fully aware that im a dumbass..

+1 for Falken.

EDIT: i forgot. there are 2 different 595's.. i have the shittier ones.

[slideways2004]

just pick one and try it. if you are going to use these on track, it's not like they are going to last long. try both, see which one you like better. if for some reason, your tires due last pretty long, weigh in these factors

rt-615's- pretty heavy(almost as heavy as some of the high dollar run flats)
proven to besticky, but others have stated they get greasy
they're good damn near til the steel belts show
look badass

federal rs- i'm sure its lighter than falken
offer more sizes
it maybe a little cheaper
according to 1 member, they don't get as greasy as falken
not as popular(tires get popular for a reason)

p.s. the federal ss595 are pretty horrible for grip driving.

[SureShot21]

I'm currently running 255.40.17 RS 595s on the front of my car, and ran 275.40.17 RT 615s on the same car over a year ago. Unfortunately, the 255s are the widest the 17" RS goes to, so take that into account. I'd still say that the RTs would have the highest ultimate grip even if you were comparing the two tires in the same sizes. I've run both tires on 9's and 10's, the RTs still felt like they had a stiffer sidewall despite a higher aspect ratio and more of a bulged fitment on the wheels I was running. Even on cold mornings, right out of my driveway I could rail corners without a problem with the RTs. With the Federals, not as much. The Federals are still a good tire, just not quite as soft as the Falkens compound-wise (and they don't have super wide sizes). They seem to be lasting longer though. The Falkens also got noticeably greasy during prolonged canyon runs, even on cool nights. I wouldn't think they would take the heat of a non-autocross track event so well, but then again my car is 3400+ lbs. I'd use the RTs for autox and RS for HPDEs or TTs. Just my take on the two. YMMV.:coolugh:

[gotta240]

Did you seriously just compare a 225 width to a 275 width in different tires?!

Wow.

[midnightouge]

i have azenis in the rear and they grip too much, makes my car (welded diff) hop violently but they also wear out with the quickness

[frosty_the_iceman]

To be completely honest, I haven't used either. I'll be looking into high-grip tires for Street Tire auto-x classing shortly, and so I've asked myself a few of the same questions. I know a lot of local auto-X drivers use the RT-615's, even in the rain.

I found this article (http://planetsoarer.com/06tyre/index.htm) on the interweb, it reviews the 595-RS among others. Interesting to see the Federal rated so highly for dry cornering, braking, & hot lap.

Depending on what tire sizes you are looking for, eGay often has good deals on RT-615's.

-JD.

[blackflag_Rms13]

Did you seriously just compare a 225 width to a 275 width in different tires?!

Wow.
I are good at readings?

[burnsauto]

rt-615's are my vote. those tires are just badass all around. grip on them is awesome on a track.

EDIT: THE MOST EVIL POST EVER.

[yudalicious]

Not a direct comparison, but 225 RT615s on a full weigh s14 lasted all but the last few minutes of a 20 min session before they got noticeably greasy. I'd like to think I'm a relatively smooth driver. Ambient temp was about low 80s iirc.

[slownslurious]

their "greasiness" will depend on track conditions, car weight/tire size, driving style, and temperate. I've used them extensively on the street and only experienced what I would term greasiness on the hottest summer days, while pushing the tires hard. Of course on the track, anything other than a hardass all season tire or a harder compound racing slick or track oriented tire is going to get loose when it exceeds its optimum temperature. unfortunately the hardass all season tire is going to have less grip and eventually overheat, chunk, and fall apart, and the harder compound track tires and going to have lower initial bite and other sacrifices that would not be acceptable in autocross or on the street. The RT-615 is a great autocross tire and a good summer tire. It is not a great all season tire. It is not a great road race tire.
It does what it was designed to do, and does so better than most tires in its class, and than any tire close to its price range, at least from those I've seen/driven/humped madly.

What exactly are you purchasing these tires for? poser value? hard parking? faster harder beer runs? smuggling cigarettes into india? smuggling indians out of north carolina? driftorzoring? total world domination?

[Kouki]

I have rt615s on my s13. I'm running 235/40/17 all around. I bought them last spring. They are great. I haven't ran the generals so I can't compare the two but I can tell my experience with the falkens. I did alot of auto-x with my car. The tires hook hard when cool, but on hot days and longer courses(ie +60 seconds) They will start to fade and get greasy near the end and you can feel the car start to get sloppy. As long as I had at least 10 minutes between runs I was fine, But for general street use, some twisty back roads fun, they are great. Treadware isn't bad, but alignment has alot to do with treadware also. Bad alignment on a tire with a treadware of 320 will wear out faster than good alignment on a treadware of 80. Overall they are an awesome tire with lots of grip. They're the only thing I'll run at the auto-x as long as I'm staying with street tires. Can't beat them for the price.

[SureShot21]

Did you seriously just compare a 225 width to a 275 width in different tires?!

Wow.

Read again, cool guy. I also noted a caveat in my post due to the size differential of what's available, but I guess you missed that, too.

[low and slow]

Where have you found the RS' at? The RT's are pretty easy to come by, but I haven't seen much for the Federals.

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

rt-615's hands down.. Im running them now and trust me i can redline my sr and dump the clutch and they wont spin like me federal's did... I get more of a wheel hopping gonna break my rear end kinda thing... With the federals i could spin those bitches all day... And the rt's are are sexy lookin:bigok:

[gotta240]

What Federals Were You Running Rb25 S13chuki?

[Sonic Motor]

I think magazine companies do comparos all the time.

But dunno how true they are...

Last time I saw it, the rank was

Eagle F1
Azenis
And Federal

I think there was a 4th company, I know it wasnt first or last. Cuz first was Goodyear, and last was Federal.

Heres the thing I was surprised that federal was even in the comparison. It was very good to see and underdog tire company like federal on a big magazine like SportsCompact

If you got the cash get azenis, I had it, works great.
Other people agree.

If you wanna get something different, get the ferderals, not too bad. Heard good things about it.

[MrChow]

http://www.srtforums.com/forums/f136/grassroots-motorsports-grippiest-street-tire-test-344939/
Go there and read about it. There's the facts.

The rest is how you setup your suspension to your car.

Try them out. I'm trying out a RT. I'm going other stuff later. I'm trying out everything. Then find what I like best.

[Koopa Troopa]

I refuse to use anything Federal makes unless it's for drifting. I hate that company for my own personal reasons...

I didn't really push my car too hard when I had RT-615's on it but they were pretty badass. Noticeable difference from the dry rotted RE70's :rofl: My friend got to beat my car up a couple times since I've been gone and he says that with the new suspension the RT615's are pretty badass. However, I'll be switching to NT01's for my daily tires and using the RT615's to kill at Gymkhana events.

[Grenade180sx]

First off, who of the above have ACTUALLY USED THE 595 RS?

Most of the people on this board are 17 year olds who do nothing other than pick products by NAME.

I have personally used the rs myself, and love them. The RS is comparable in price to the azenis, but offer a better size selection(which is why i went with the RS). Also, at the last gymkana event i was in, i spoke with a fellow s14 owner who had JUST switched from azenis to the RS. They said grip feels the same, but they don't feel like butter when hot.

I'm not nocking the azenis AT ALL, nor am i saying the RS is even a better tire. I AM SAYING, most, if not all the above poster prob. have never even seen a 595 RS in real life, yet alone driven on one. Look around and do your own research. Not many people have tried the RS yet simply because of name, however, i haven't heard a SINGLE BAD REVIEW from those who HAVE used them.




i have ran both fedi's the 595 and the rs

rs is a great tire. and the falkens are too but i do agree when pushed for too long the falkens tend to start to fall off.

[s14freak93901]

both are great tires in there own way. the RT615's are great for competitions and autocross..straight up grip. yeah, drifting to but i rather use the federals for drifting. just try both company's out when you get the money.

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

What Federals Were You Running Rb25 S13chuki?


SS-595 235/45/17

[slownslurious]

I dont remember if GRM tested the Federal's yet or not, I think either they did a comparison test, or they did a "first impression" test and promised a future comparison.
But if youre auto-X oriented thats probably where you will find the most reliable test data to back up a smart purchase.

[SoSideways]

Why do people keep chiming in with their experience of the SS595 and think that they're talking about the 595RS?

They're totally different tires.

Here's the SS595 that most of you are talking about:
http://www.aisha.co.jp/tire/maker/FD00068.jpg

Here's the 595RS that this thread is talking about:
http://www.aisha.co.jp/tire/maker/FD00069.jpg

So if you have had a shitty experience with the SS595, please don't chime in and say that "I've had a shitty experience with the 595 and go RT-615 all the way" because quite honestly, you haven't even tried the 595RS to be able to make a good comparison.

[gotta240]

So if you have had a shitty experience with the SS595, please don't chime in and say that "I've had a shitty experience with the 595 and go RT-615 all the way" because quite honestly, you haven't even tried the 595RS to be able to make a good comparison.[/quote]

My point exactly. Half the "shitty" shitty reviews are coming from people who are driving on 60 dollar tires with no traction. READ then REVIEW.

[vvtisupra]

actually I get good traction with brand new Federal 595SS. Run them at 28-30 psi hot. But yah RT615 and 595 RS is very comparible. I think it pretty much comes down to sizes.

When I was running RT-615 205/50/15, that City Tire Online was so nice to sell us always at a great price, on our 24 hours of lemons car, I didn't have any hint of greasyness and I was on my second stint ~3hr of the day 10 hr's total. But then again it was a stripped out FB with 115 wopping horsepower

[steve shadows]

actually I get good traction with brand new Federal 595SS. Run them at 28-30 psi hot. But yah RT615 and 595 RS is very comparible. I think it pretty much comes down to sizes.

When I was running RT-615 205/50/15, that City Tire Online was so nice to sell us always at a great price, on our 24 hours of lemons car, I didn't have any hint of greasyness and I was on my second stint ~3hr of the day 10 hr's total. But then again it was a stripped out FB with 115 wopping horsepower

The only street tire that has some level of traction for me so far was the RT-615s.

I just do a little standing burnout in front of my house. then cruise off.

They grip a lot better in second after that.

They are no R-Comps and I need R-comps

But they get the job done for a strickly street tire.

[SoSideways]

When I was running RT-615 205/50/15, that City Tire Online was so nice to sell us always at a great price, on our 24 hours of lemons car, I didn't have any hint of greasyness and I was on my second stint ~3hr of the day 10 hr's total. But then again it was a stripped out FB with 115 wopping horsepower

Where at? I'm there!

hahahahaaha :bigok:

Anyway, back on topic...

Maybe your tires were just not heating up enough to where it would grease up? I don't know.

[4bangers]

what about the General Exclaim UHP, they're pretty good aren't they?

[steve shadows]

^ no :cj: .........

and neither are any Federal

[gotta240]

^ have you tried the RS YOURSELF?

[slownslurious]

^ "I don't need a dick up my ass to be sure I wouldn't like it."

lol seriously I just wanted to add that I found out when I bought my 615's last time, if you have a discount tires near you, they will price match internet and ebay stores, so you get convenience and service + cheaper prices.... could make them cheaper then the federals, thus making the decision (IIIIIIIIIIIIIIMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMMOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO OO) an easy one.

[smelly240]

I think that Logan has used both - maybe he can chime in

this is from the first page - no one read it because they were too busy talking about their temperature fading RT615's that go away horribly when they get heat in them.

someone actually has the RS tires on here - i seen it in a pic.

I'm gonna try them out and compare them to Hankook RS-2 that are on the car now.

[driftninja]

im currently running rt-615s 225.40/18 on the front and the ss595 on the back 235/40/18 . this my first time not running the st115's on the back and im having problems with understeer a little too much traction which i thought i would like but now im considering ditching the 615s and running the rs595 ...maybe i just need more power screw it im buying a viper
.

[ivankol]

falken all the way man the low profile ones don't last nearly as long as stock sized s13 alloys soft soft compound

[Rnz520]

I like my Azenis, huge step up from my down to the wire bridgestones I had...

[SuicidnS13]

Well I guess we will all just have to wait for more real life users to chime in. It may be a while due to the tire being so new. Only time will tell from here...

[gotta240]

They work fucking great. Nothing else to say.

[MrChow]

wow can ppl look at this post date?? Why do ppl bring this threads back.