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40daws
02-05-2008, 05:55 AM
FBI wants palm prints, eye scans, tattoo mapping
Story Highlights
FBI expected to award $1 billion contract to help collect data on people

Privacy advocate says it's the first step toward a "surveillance society"

FBI says it's needed to help track terrorists and other criminals

Palm prints and optical eye scans likely to become more common

From Kelli Arena and Carol Cratty
CNN

CLARKSBURG, West Virginia (CNN) -- The FBI is gearing up to create a massive computer database of people's physical characteristics, all part of an effort the bureau says to better identify criminals and terrorists.

But it's an issue that raises major privacy concerns -- what one civil liberties expert says should concern all Americans.

The bureau is expected to announce in coming days the awarding of a $1 billion, 10-year contract to help create the database that will compile an array of biometric information -- from palm prints to eye scans.

Kimberly Del Greco, the FBI's Biometric Services section chief, said adding to the database is "important to protect the borders to keep the terrorists out, protect our citizens, our neighbors, our children so they can have good jobs, and have a safe country to live in."

But it's unnerving to privacy experts.

"It's the beginning of the surveillance society where you can be tracked anywhere, any time and all your movements, and eventually all your activities will be tracked and noted and correlated," said Barry Steinhardt, director of the American Civil Liberties Union's Technology and Liberty Project.

The FBI already has 55 million sets of fingerprints on file. In coming years, the bureau wants to compare palm prints, scars and tattoos, iris eye patterns, and facial shapes. The idea is to combine various pieces of biometric information to positively identify a potential suspect.

A lot will depend on how quickly technology is perfected, according to Thomas Bush, the FBI official in charge of the Clarksburg, West Virginia, facility where the FBI houses its current fingerprint database. Watch what the FBI hopes to gain »

"Fingerprints will still be the big player," Bush, assistant director of the FBI's Criminal Justice Information Services Division, told CNN.

But he added, "Whatever the biometric that comes down the road, we need to be able to plug that in and play."

First up, he said, are palm prints. The FBI has already begun collecting images and hopes to soon use these as an additional means of making identifications. Countries that are already using such images find 20 percent of their positive matches come from latent palm prints left at crime scenes, the FBI's Bush said.

The FBI has also started collecting mug shots and pictures of scars and tattoos. These images are being stored for now as the technology is fine-tuned. All of the FBI's biometric data is stored on computers 30-feet underground in the Clarksburg facility.

In addition, the FBI could soon start comparing people's eyes -- specifically the iris, or the colored part of an eye -- as part of its new biometrics program called Next Generation Identification.

Nearby, at West Virginia University's Center for Identification Technology Research, researchers are already testing some of these technologies that will ultimately be used by the FBI.

"The best increase in accuracy will come from fusing different biometrics together," said Bojan Cukic, the co-director of the center.

But while law enforcement officials are excited about the possibilities of these new technologies, privacy advocates are upset the FBI will be collecting so much personal information.

"People who don't think mistakes are going to be made I don't think fly enough," said Steinhardt.

He said thousands of mistakes have been made with the use of the so-called no-fly lists at airports -- and that giving law enforcement widespread data collection techniques should cause major privacy alarms.

"There are real consequences to people," Steinhardt said. Watch concerns over more data collection »

You don't have to be a criminal or a terrorist to be checked against the database. More than 55 percent of the checks the FBI runs involve criminal background checks for people applying for sensitive jobs in government or jobs working with vulnerable people such as children and the elderly, according to the FBI.

The FBI says it hasn't been saving the fingerprints for those checks, but that may change. The FBI plans a so-called "rap-back" service in which an employer could ask the FBI to keep the prints for an employee on file and let the employer know if the person ever has a brush with the law. The FBI says it will first have to clear hurdles with state privacy laws, and people would have to sign waivers allowing their information to be kept.

Critics say people are being forced to give up too much personal information. But Lawrence Hornak, the co-director of the research center at West Virginia University, said it could actually enhance people's privacy.

"It allows you to project your identity as being you," said Hornak. "And it allows people to avoid identity theft, things of that nature." Watch Hornak describe why he thinks it's a "privacy enhancer" »

There remains the question of how reliable these new biometric technologies will be. A 2006 German study looking at facial recognition in a crowded train station found successful matches could be made 60 percent of the time during the day. But when lighting conditions worsened at night, the results shrank to a success rate of 10 to 20 percent.

As work on these technologies continues, researchers are quick to admit what's proven to be the most accurate so far. "Iris technology is perceived today, together with fingerprints, to be the most accurate," said Cukic.

But in the future all kinds of methods may be employed. Some researchers are looking at the way people walk as a possible additional means of identification.

The FBI says it will protect all this personal data and only collect information on criminals and those seeking sensitive jobs.

The ACLU's Steinhardt doesn't believe it will stop there.

"This had started out being a program to track or identify criminals," he said. "Now we're talking about large swaths of the population -- workers, volunteers in youth programs. Eventually, it's going to be everybody."

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I'm looking for a log cabin in the middle of no where.

Antihero983
02-05-2008, 06:45 AM
lemme just quote one of my favorite movies ever...

"people shouldn't be afraid of its government, the government should be afraid of its people"

lemme get my mask....

ByeByeSti
02-05-2008, 07:33 AM
haha with you on that one

98s14inaz
02-05-2008, 08:08 AM
lemme just quote one of my favorite movies ever...

"people shouldn't be afraid of its government, the government should be afraid of its people"

lemme get my mask....

That's the problem right there. They are terrified of us otherwise they wouldn't be doing all this crap to control and monitor us. I'm reminded of the Minority Report as well. It won't be long before advertisers get a hold of that tech too. Pretty soon every aspect of your life will be intruded upon with no privacy for anyone.

water
02-05-2008, 09:25 AM
Scary stuff. Technology and privacy are debated wildly these days. It will be interesting to see what becomes of privacy in our near future.

steve shadows
02-05-2008, 09:27 AM
There is always a way out though.

with a bullet...

S14DB
02-05-2008, 09:30 AM
The Terrorists have won!

B18C5MK1
02-05-2008, 10:53 AM
here comes idiocracy...

Matej
02-05-2008, 11:21 AM
And people are told communism was bad.

bboyt3nsk
02-05-2008, 11:24 AM
Scary stuff, scary stuff. But,theres more of us then there are of them. Lets just not be super dumb and think its actually for the reason their saying its for.

azndoc
02-05-2008, 11:28 AM
http://img519.imageshack.us/img519/7122/vendetta07iq5.jpg

Agreed.

98s14inaz
02-05-2008, 11:56 AM
Scary stuff, scary stuff. But,theres more of us then there are of them. Lets just not be super dumb and think its actually for the reason their saying its for.

Yes there are more of us. Unfortunately they (powers that be) are systematically taking away our ability to resist. Gun control, privacy invasions, Universal ID's, and National Databases are all methods used for this sort of thing.

Step one: convince the people there is an enemy that only the gov't can protect them from.

Step two: put all of your citizens in a database to protect them from the said "enemy". National ID's or "papers" are issued.

Step three: declare martial law (many reasons...most likely a WMD set off on US soil)

Step four: disarm the people

Step five: declare that anyone against the gov't and it's policies an "internal enemy"

Step six: do pretty much whatever you want with the justification of "we are protecting you from your enemies"

See where this is going? It has happened before except with out the high tech stuff and not on the scale we will soon be seeing. Rome, Nazi Germany and the former USSR all were different but had some similar circumstances. I'm not the smartest guy but I know when history is going to repeat itself.

Dirty Habit
02-05-2008, 11:58 AM
One reason I never got tattoos. Identification.

Howard92884
02-05-2008, 12:12 PM
One reason I never got tattoos. Identification.
LOL, paranoid? Guilty conscience?

mehsilvia
02-05-2008, 05:48 PM
http://cache.kotaku.com/assets/resources/2007/06/hitmanpresspic.jpg

I love tattoos

low and slow
02-05-2008, 06:30 PM
Big Brother at its finest.

eastcoastS14
02-05-2008, 06:42 PM
does it sketch anyone else out that the US is like...the only country doing this?

pretty creepy when you give the govt this kind of power if you ask me....only a matter of time befor the govt starts disappearing ppl...well maybe not but you know what i mean

s13Dr1ft
02-05-2008, 06:52 PM
[email protected] the goverment.

Even if this shit was to happen, it would take a very long time for them to get everything about everyone they want. Im not worried about it, I will probably be old or dead before we see this type of futuristic BS.

punxva
02-05-2008, 07:17 PM
listen to the song anatomy of your enemy, by anti flag same concept as 98s14inaz stated

Dirty Habit
02-05-2008, 09:14 PM
LOL, paranoid? Guilty conscience?

I plead the fif.

eastcoastS14
02-05-2008, 09:27 PM
[email protected] the goverment.

Even if this shit was to happen, it would take a very long time for them to get everything about everyone they want. Im not worried about it, I will probably be old or dead before we see this type of futuristic BS.

haha yes +1 thank god bureaucratic BS keeps our govt from doing anything efficiently and on scheduel

Helghast
02-06-2008, 12:45 AM
*ahem*
VVVVVVVV

98s14inaz
02-06-2008, 07:31 AM
I plead the fif.

You won't be able to do that much longer, enjoy it now while you can.

Adikt
02-06-2008, 11:40 AM
All of this has happened before, and will happen again...

lost_generation
02-06-2008, 11:51 AM
here comes idiocracy...


EXACTLY WHAT I THOUGHT

shits whack though...seriously

Antihero983
02-06-2008, 12:20 PM
there's so many amendments, but i can only plead 1.....da FIF!!!

lol @ dave chappelle.....

1,2,3,4.....FIF!!!

driftyour40
02-06-2008, 01:51 PM
"Well, certainly there are those who are more responsible than others, and they will be held accountable, but again truth be told, if you're looking for the guilty, you need only look into a mirror.
I know why you did it. I know you were afraid. Who wouldn't be? War, terror, disease. There were a myriad of problems which conspired to corrupt your reason and rob you of your common sense. Fear got the best of you, and in your panic you turned to the now High Chancellor, Adam Sutler. He promised you order, he promised you peace, and all he demanded in return was your silent, obedient consent"



In the end it will be the people who fuck us over, led by a media that's controlled by the government. Because people forgot to think for themselves and to pay more attention to what's not being said that what is.

corriganjoshua
02-06-2008, 01:56 PM
lemme just quote one of my favorite movies ever...

"people shouldn't be afraid of its government, the government should be afraid of its people"

lemme get my mask.... Couldnt have said it better

max2damax
02-06-2008, 02:06 PM
my opinions is that if they only implement those measurements on criminals, then is ok with me, it would actually help them track the people who are supposed to get tracked, not the entire country.

Yuri
02-06-2008, 05:02 PM
There is always a way out though.

with a bullet...

Or a Dodge Challenger.
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x158/DKapt/vanishingpoint2.jpg

playthe_part
02-06-2008, 05:35 PM
i'll admit i didn't read the entire thing yet, but it reminded me of this:

before watching this, know that i am only posting this because i thought it related, i am not one of those people that get sucked into 'conspiracies' but i did find this interesting.

http://youtube.com/watch?v=vuBo4E77ZXo

s13Dr1ft
02-06-2008, 05:40 PM
My boss and I were talking today about this, he feels this is a joke as well. He told me he felt that what they should do is after a certain age, everyone should be fingerprinted for the purpose of if there is a crime than that person is on file. That should be the extent other than maybe a photo.

I dont think it would be a bad idea for the finger printing after 13 maybe?

The sad thing is, the Goverment will use "terrorism" as their grounds for anything that will ever happen in this country for the rest of the suns burning life. Dont sugarcoat shit, tell us when your going to fuck us so we can get ready.

jskateborders
02-06-2008, 05:45 PM
imma get my nine

ryguy
02-06-2008, 05:47 PM
Fuck, that video SERIOUSLY just made me shit my pants. I knew about the North American Union, but my god, I had no idea it went this far. I have always thought there will be a revolution in our lifetime. If the North American Union goes into effect I will be glad to rise up and fight it with anybody else who wont stand for that shit.

yokotas13
02-06-2008, 05:49 PM
soo
you all bitch, until someone murders your wife, and they leave a palm print behind, or that tattoo is all that is visible on the killers neck.

they you will love the system
bunch of hypocrytes
dont be an idiot, and you wont need to worry if thye haev your info.
paranoid fucks

Bobafreak
02-06-2008, 05:56 PM
Still regardless bad guys always get away with crime i mean todays top technology cant find osama bin hid'n

s13Dr1ft
02-06-2008, 06:00 PM
But they found Saddam hiding in a hole...go figure

yokotas13
02-06-2008, 06:10 PM
Still regardless bad guys always get away with crime i mean todays top technology cant find osama bin hid'n
ok,
stop bitching, you go find him

until your willing to try and rectify what your bitching about, you cant.

Antihero983
02-06-2008, 06:31 PM
um how is that bitching? he's just stating a fact thats all.....

SimpleSexy180
02-06-2008, 07:15 PM
grant, just stay in japan. your a lot safer that way.

ja ne

vodka2
02-06-2008, 07:32 PM
Fuck me.. thats a crazy vid man ... thats probly the scariest shit i ever seen.
good thing im building my car and moving to japan hahahahhaha.

s13Dr1ft
02-08-2008, 01:01 PM
I just watched the video, eh...i dont fall face first to things of this nature. I would rather have a bullet put into my head or be locked away until i die before letting them put a RF chip in me.

How many of you conformist's will be first in line?

I like how all of this (one power world) originated from the Nazi's and Hitler. America cant have that. It does make you think about this country's "bully mentality", im psyched.

yokotas13
02-08-2008, 05:22 PM
conformists?
moving ot japan?

You guys are idiots
This is what hte fucking country needs. We are one of the most VIOLENT societies in this day and age. Maybe some tracking will calm people the fuck down.

bunch of paranoid fucks

illvialuver
02-09-2008, 01:24 AM
yeah this shit is sad, we think we have freedom but in reality we are all being babysat by big brother. i would rather live in mexico than get tagged, but im pretty sure that the way things are gogin that mexico and usa and canada will be one place eventually.

if you dont like this idea of us being tagged and tracked like animals, than vote for Ron Paul. but i highly doubt he will win. even though he is my favorite canidate.

but on the real, if this stuff keeps happening, we will have to revolt, eventually, and the gov. probly \read that and i am now considered a terrorist.( all this terrorist crap is a tool to cause fear and make people controllable, and to impliment new laws like the terrorist act which basically waves all your constittutional rights if you are a ssuspected terrorist. and so on and so forth.

s13Dr1ft
02-09-2008, 07:40 AM
conformists?
moving ot japan?

You guys are idiots
This is what hte fucking country needs. We are one of the most VIOLENT societies in this day and age. Maybe some tracking will calm people the fuck down.

bunch of paranoid fucks

lmao...man you are silly.

yokotas13
02-09-2008, 05:21 PM
yeah this shit is sad, we think we have freedom but in reality we are all being babysat by big brother. i would rather live in mexico than get tagged, but im pretty sure that the way things are gogin that mexico and usa and canada will be one place eventually.

if you dont like this idea of us being tagged and tracked like animals, than vote for Ron Paul. but i highly doubt he will win. even though he is my favorite canidate.

but on the real, if this stuff keeps happening, we will have to revolt, eventually, and the gov. probly read that and i am now considered a terrorist.( all this terrorist crap is a tool to cause fear and make people controllable, and to impliment new laws like the terrorist act which basically waves all your constittutional rights if you are a ssuspected terrorist. and so on and so forth.
but on the real
Dont act like a child, and you wont need to be baby sat
Dont act like an animal and you wont need to be tagged and tracked

actions create responses
Japan doesnt have this tracking shit. But they also have an 18th of the crime
For god sakes, i leave my keys in my iginition off base.
I wont even leave my window cracked on base.

Grow the fuck up and look at the real world. not your opinion

njd07
02-09-2008, 06:18 PM
omg...that video is really creepy. shits got me scared lol

origin_s135
02-09-2008, 10:00 PM
Or a Dodge Challenger.
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x158/DKapt/vanishingpoint2.jpg
or a 300zx twin turbo
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9Fb_H2Qiivg

lflkajfj12123
02-09-2008, 11:12 PM
we need those eye lenses that change your eye pattern for the scanner

holla

illvialuver
02-09-2008, 11:15 PM
oh well come back to the real world . I mean if that shit happens, Ill move to japan so i can injoy an 18th of real world crime.