Oil cooler setup, pump and oil pan needed????

[khilgers]

I am getting my parts together for my oil cooler setup on my S14. Here is my plan for the setup:

16x6 setrab core
Tomei block adapter
-10 lines and fittings
Summit oil filter relocation kit
Earls' thermostat

My biggest concern is would it be a good idea to upgrade the oil pan too? If so will I run into problems with overworking the factory oil pump? Other than oil capacity, what is the biggest upside to an aftermarket oil pan such as the greddy one?

[sean350z]

Rather than run the summit relocation I'd look for a nice inline filter (Peterson, System 1, Canton).

I wouldn't think that the extra 2qts of oil from the cooler/bigger oil pan would affect the oil pump any. You might get a small pressure drop though. Cooling, extra capacity, baffling for preventing oil starvation is the upside to the pan for sure. Can't go wrong!

I'm in the process of planning a cooling setup right now as well :)

[McRussellPants]

Im gonna run about the same as that,

need to go start buying parts for it.

Tomei Block
10 AN prolly earls (wish I could afford XRP Xlight, sigh)
Moroso stand or System 1 medium inline haven't decided
Earls 419, 19row, 13in width.

I'm not gonna run a thermostat on it though, the car rolls off the trailer and gets beat on so I don't think it will be an issue.

[khilgers]

Rather than run the summit relocation I'd look for a nice inline filter (Peterson, System 1, Canton).

I wouldn't think that the extra 2qts of oil from the cooler/bigger oil pan would affect the oil pump any. You might get a small pressure drop though. Cooling, extra capacity, baffling for preventing oil starvation is the upside to the pan for sure. Can't go wrong!

I'm in the process of planning a cooling setup right now as well :)

why do you suggest an inline filter instead of the relocation? What are the advantages/disdvantages?

[burnsauto]

is there an advantage to the tomei block adapter compared to say the greddy oil sandwich w/ the built in thermostat? ...besides the filter being a little more easily accessed?

[khilgers]

the block adapter physically bolts onto the motor, instead of threading onto the filter housing. Circuit sports also makes one, but the fittings are -8 instead of -10. Just seems like a much more solid way to go rather than having the chance of the sandwich plate coming loose.

[genericforumname]

the blocks that have thermostats also help your oil get up to temp relatively fast, not forever like if it didn't have it.

[burnsauto]

the block adapter physically bolts onto the motor, instead of threading onto the filter housing. Circuit sports also makes one, but the fittings are -8 instead of -10. Just seems like a much more solid way to go rather than having the chance of the sandwich plate coming loose.

so basically...besides it coming loose somehow....nothing?

[bigOdom1]

would it not be cheaper just to get the greddy kit?

[LoanShark]

my setup:

-greddy sandwich/thermo
-10 AN fragola stuff
-B&M cooler

DONE

[khilgers]

would it not be cheaper just to get the greddy kit?

yes it would be, but I would rather build a kit myself. Plus the core I am getting is bigger than the one that comes with the greddy kit.

[tig_tech]

so basically...besides it coming loose somehow....nothing?

The SR stock fitting that the filter screws onto is a really weak piece and can easily break apart with alot of constant tightening thats all. That oil block adapter is just a insurance policy for your motor.

[sean350z]

If you didn't want the Tomei block you could always tap your block :D

Those inline filters flow very very well. The thing I like about the Peterson filters is that they have a bypass so if for some reason it gets clogged oil can bypass the filter and still flow. I'm still researching though as we speak.

[khilgers]

If you didn't want the Tomei block you could always tap your block :D

Those inline filters flow very very well. The thing I like about the Peterson filters is that they have a bypass so if for some reason it gets clogged oil can bypass the filter and still flow. I'm still researching though as we speak.

I'll have to look into that as an option. I never really new such a thing existed. How exactly do you go about changing the filter? I would assume there is a replacable element inside and you keep the aluminum housing.

[sean350z]

Yea...they have replacement elements.

The XRP filters are nice too, they have stainless elements that you can clean and reuse along with the bypass feature. I can't find a price on them on the net though.

[McRussellPants]

Oh yeah, The pan is just added capacity, which will help keep oil temps down as well, maybe it will help a little with Oil starvation under steady state cornering, dunno either way about that though, I think I run my oil level over the baffle height on the greddy pan anyway.

[khilgers]

I think I run my oil level over the baffle height on the greddy pan anyway.

might be kind of a dumb ?, but what do you mean by that? Do you mean you typically run more oil than needed? Please elaborate.

[McRussellPants]

I run 1 quart over in a greddy pan.

so like 5.5?

Everyone that tracks SRs does that, The Baffles in the greddy pan are really low and crappy imo. Im sure they don't really do much if anything. The only real great thing about the greddy pan is the higher capacity helping keep oil temps down. The Tomei pan ooks alot nicer, but Im not gonna trade since I haven't had oiling issues yet.

[khilgers]

are there any adverse side effects to running too much oil? I do plan on entering drift events this summer, probably around 6, and throw in a couple auto-x events too.

[McRussellPants]

If you way overfill it get up on to the crank and will foam the oil which causes loss of oil pressure ect.

[Def]

The factory oil pump is more than enough to push oil through that. If you have a properly sized core you lose very little oil pressure by pushing it through everything.

If you rarely drive your car hard - I'd skip it though. My car doesn't ever get up to temp in the winter with a GReddy pan and my oil cooler with a Mocal sandwich plate with a 180deg F thermostat. There is always just enough oil flowing through the core to cause enough heat loss to make the motor run REALLY cold. It ran cold with just the GReddy pan, but now it's rare to get it over 120 deg F if I'm moving at all. I have the core not exposed to much air too with it tucked behind my passenger corner light(corner light goes in on the street to help the motor warm up as much as it can).

It works great on the track though, coolant temps run about 180 deg F (stock thermostat) and the oil hits about 200-210 deg F on a 100 deg F day and making about 260-270 rwhp.

[khilgers]

I drive the car pretty hard whether it be track use of daily driving, but thanks for the input. I may go with the oil cooler setup for now and see where my temps are. I can always upgrade to a greddy pan if I need additional cooling.

[khilgers]

Is the greddy pan slightly smaller, height wise, than the OEM pan? It would be nice to also get some added clearance along with cooler oil temps.

[burnsauto]

Is the greddy pan slightly smaller, height wise, than the OEM pan? It would be nice to also get some added clearance along with cooler oil temps.

eh, not really...they're both around the same height. (the greddy pan may even be a little taller...i cant remember)

[khilgers]

eh, not really...they're both around the same height. (the greddy pan may even be a little taller...i cant remember)

that's what I figured from looking at pics they seemed to be about the same. Just thought I would ask though.

[Def]

They seem to be about the same height.

Even if you drive the car "hard" on the street - even with just the GReddy pan the oil temps are super low, and the oil cooler just made it worse. I can do a couple of 18 psi pulls then cruise on the highway for 5 mins and drop the oil temps 60 deg F.

[codyace]

Is the greddy pan slightly smaller, height wise, than the OEM pan? It would be nice to also get some added clearance along with cooler oil temps.

I had a pretty high speed (90ish mph) 'off' at Pocono in september (the little o-ring between the two caliper halves split, causing no brakes), went boucning and crashing through a rough/bumpy field (ripped my Greddy lip off, and lower plastics) and didn't have a single mark on th egreddy pan (which sits ever so slightly higher than the cross member


Not sure if that will help bring any assurance to it, but IMO if it surived going off track at Pocono, it'll survive darn near any street in America.

[hitman]

if youre worried about stress on your pump, i fail to see how a greddy pan would help? just having more oil in the pan isnt gonna make your pump stronger.
anyways i have the part shop max core, i broke my last one (forgot the brand) crashing into a hay bail lol. then i have -10 lines and an ebay relocator kit. works nice i guess. no thermostat. sometimes i drive my car to the track (lately) this is ka though.

[khilgers]

I had a pretty high speed (90ish mph) 'off' at Pocono in september (the little o-ring between the two caliper halves split, causing no brakes), went boucning and crashing through a rough/bumpy field (ripped my Greddy lip off, and lower plastics) and didn't have a single mark on th egreddy pan (which sits ever so slightly higher than the cross member


Not sure if that will help bring any assurance to it, but IMO if it surived going off track at Pocono, it'll survive darn near any street in America.

I'm not too worried about the streets but going off the track at some of the drift events around here worry me. But then again I went off at least a dozen times slammed on 16's with no problems. Good info though.

[khilgers]

if youre worried about stress on your pump, i fail to see how a greddy pan would help? just having more oil in the pan isnt gonna make your pump stronger.
anyways i have the part shop max core, i broke my last one (forgot the brand) crashing into a hay bail lol. then i have -10 lines and an ebay relocator kit. works nice i guess. no thermostat. sometimes i drive my car to the track (lately) this is ka though.

I wasn't looking into the pan as helping, just trying to get some more info on the 2.

[hitman]

also, i put a 2 rocks through my stock pan at the same time at htm. i didnt even go off course. in case you were wondering

[916S14]

sorry to bring an old thread back, but i'm running a very very similar setup as the OP and i was just wondering if the greddy oil pan is really necassary if you drive the car daily with about 2 events a month? I"m just worried about oil starvation..