Kit copy and real whats the difference?

[tougemaster]

Getting Uras for my hatch.. friend of mine owner a part shop and gave me both price on the Uras.

680 for Real Uras Type 4

350 for Copy Uras Type 4

both are made of fiberglass

If you had copy on your 240sx let me know your opinions

[luckyslide16]

Spend the extra $$ and go with the real deal! You will wind up spending more money on paint and installation with the copy and the fit wont be as clean IMO.

[MavericStephenc]

the real kit is always better.

hands down but some"replica kits" do fit well, most need alot of work though

this has been covered alot so typing body kits or aero in the search bar should yield answers.

[Brian]

In this case..... and lately, my opinion is to go with REAL stuff.

[maverick27]

Def Fitments! i bought an imitation Vertex for my hatch about a year ago and though it popped on it dint line up. my bro did the same for this car and it dint line up (he owns a kouki) in the end he bought the real deal and paid the extra bills but his car looked super clean.

[Bobafreak]

both still need work?...id rather get replica due to i lose it alot. But if your ballin...go for it.

[azndoc]

wow thats a really nice hook up on the real kit.

I would just get the real one then.

Fitment is better. I heard uras fitment is sex.

Frp is better and thicker.

Plus at that price its a really great deal.

[EM_S13]

If you can afford it, go with the real deal. If you cant don't go cheap and get a replica. It will cost you just as much as a real one would have in the first place. Every body shop is going to do a little work on the bumpers and side skirts but why get replica's and have them bondo the Sh*t out of them and do twice the amount of work needed?

Real deal kit will also be a good quality fitments and possible JADE fiberglass, (cwest and Bomex along with a few other companies use ths fiberglass) compared to these MATT finished replica ones.

Just My .02 cents ;)

[Bobafreak]

hmmm im thinkin price like that must be ait.

[tougemaster]

Thanks guys!!!!!! For sure im getting the real one now.. anyone know any place for cheap paint shop?

[EM_S13]

hmmm im thinkin price like that must be ait.

If its GREEN then it is! Could be Cwings as well. Who knows! its a replica :tweak:

[Bobafreak]

Thanks guys!!!!!! For sure im getting the real one now.. anyone know any place for cheap paint shop?
mike at i designs.

[tougemaster]

mike at i designs.

talked to him before.. hook me up with pretty good price might go with Mike

[Slidin240Wayz]

Are you sure it's real URAS?

Do you see the URAS labels inside the pieces?

[tougemaster]

Yes, he have the real one in stock.. and he ask if i want to save same green he can order some copy one for me

[Vision Garage]

if you are planning to hit cones and stuff and think you will probably destroy the kit drifting go with a knockoff.

[tougemaster]

The one im going to put the kit on will be my Daily so..

[lost_generation]

650 for real uras? holy shit, buy it

knock offs suck, trust me, never strait panels...fits shitty as hell

[NemeGuero]

Do it right or pay twice.

[Irukandji]

Real Stuff = Fits better, overall better quality, and you're supporting a company that DESIGNED it.

Fake Stuff = Fits like shit, quality is shit, and you're supporting Chinese thieves, the same ones who are also taking away American jobs, and putting lead paint in kids toys.

[Brian]

i cant tell you how many body shop owners call me because they bought a fake kit for their customer.... then realize what a shitty decision that was and then end up ordering the real thing from me, which they admit over and over they should have done the first time.

[status:one]

Most of them don't fit. Depending on the bodyshop, you'll end up paying more than you would to get them to fit than you would just buying the real thing and have it installed.

I would recommend ORIGIN and version select kits because with the two kits I have owned I have had excellent fitment (except one sideskirt) and the kits are inexpensive. As far as your URAS option goes... I would go with the real thing.

[azndoc]

There is no such thing as fake Veilside kits BH.

It's all in your head.

[Brian]

haha, yeah you must be right.

[Johny5]

my works9 knockoffs have been straight for quite some time, fit real good!

[azndoc]

my works9 knockoffs have been straight for quite some time, fit real good!

Sure you works9 kit is straight, but is the owner though?

Ohhhhh

[SlideAlliance]

I only buy knockoffs now. I used to have have real Version Select everything but it got WAY too expensive after the second kit.

Fiberglass work is extremely easy to do yourself if you look into it. Hell, my cheap BN knockoffs used to fit before I ripped them off and "fixed" them a few times.

[GSXRJJordan]

Lol Jack... you instigator.

That's a bomb deal on real URAS stuff - a little too good for me to believe. I got quoted prices picked up at their warehouse and they woulda been about double that for a full kit, but as long as it says URAS Monkey Magic on the inside, I guess it's real...

[SlideAlliance]

More power to you if you can get it for $680, thats for sure

[Matej]

The difference is you don't cry when you drift into a ditch with a replica.


But 350$ for replica and 680$ for real thing is crazy cheap, many knockoffs cost more than 680$. Could your friend get me the replica skirts and rear bumper? :bigok:

[SlideAlliance]

The difference is you don't cry when you drift into a ditch with a replica.

correction:

You don't cry when you drift into a ditch with a replica that you didn't pay someone a lot of money to make fit well

[firelizard]

The only good reason for going fake is if you're going to destroy (not crack, destroy) your bumpers frequently, but need something flashy.

If you want it to actually look as good as possible, go with the real deal.

Typically, the knockoffs won't fit as well as the genuine parts, though it varies a lot.

[Brian]

the more you use a mold, the worse it gets.

[OptionZero]

I only buy knockoffs now. I used to have have real Version Select everything but it got WAY too expensive after the second kit.

Fiberglass work is extremely easy to do yourself if you look into it. Hell, my cheap BN knockoffs used to fit before I ripped them off and "fixed" them a few times.

how can you have "real" version select? Isn't that like having a real $3 bill?

Anyways, to the original poster, it doesn't say where ur located, but if ur in the bay go to Sunny Autobody in San Francisco

[A Spec Products]

Real Uras is actually nicer

FG is laid better, cleaner

It's not as thick, more uniform

And fitment is better

Edges are clean, that sorta thing

the more you use a mold, the worse it gets.

Brian Harte is very knowledgeable in body kits.

[SlideAlliance]

how can you have "real" version select? Isn't that like having a real $3 bill?

Anyways, to the original poster, it doesn't say where ur located, but if ur in the bay go to Sunny Autobody in San Francisco

The price difference is the point I was making. I can get a full widebody knockoff kit for $700 that fits well enough or I can go spend over $1300 on a kit that fits a lot better. Question is, do I buy 1 great fitting kit, or 2 easily fixable kits for the same price.

Go with a company that makes knockoffs that fit fairly well if its a car you are more than likely going to crash, otherwise get real shit

[ayuaddict]

how can you have "real" version select? Isn't that like having a real $3 bill?

Anyways, to the original poster, it doesn't say where ur located, but if ur in the bay go to Sunny Autobody in San Francisco

and version select doesn't exactly fit great either.

i have version select on my car.

[Dousan_PG]

i have real BN SPORTS

shit fit like i cant describe
its like
you take it out of box
put it on car
drill holes
and drive
because it already fit PERFECT
OEM perfect.

[hitman]

i have knock off because i go to college and eat top romen and try to drift. but i havent had a front bumper since july

[McRussellPants]

I haven't had one since like march.

except if the clock resets when I zombied it back together in June and drug it around until it wouldn't even stay on the car at drift showoff.

I have ebay, so I can treat it like shit. oh shit a ziptie broke! go kick the other side until it breaks the other one and I can go drive more.

Logan, This is the USA. Talk to any corvette owner, Cheap fiberglass = thin, can't scimp on the layers, gotta have 20 coats of gel so you can wetsand it for 4 weeks before barret jackson.

[srpowereds14]

Put it this way you save TIME and MONEY with the real shit, remember that saying you get what you pay for...

[McRussellPants]

Put it this way you save TIME and MONEY with the real shit, remember that saying you get what you pay for...

Except you don't

I also find it comical that people refer to Origin and VS as "the real shit" like it totally doesn't come from china.

If you mount ebay with scews it fits perfect, people just try to hang it with a ziptied and overloaded peice of aluminum and then womp when it sags.

White Ebay kits are pretty nice, I've never gotten one that I couldn't clip on to the car and hold there.

Blue stuff is jank, its probably where all the internet "they don't fit at all" crap comes from. Except if you get a kit in blue its probably Cwest/bomex/DrftR kit and you deserve it for making your car look like dick

B-Magic stuff is pretty nice btw, Heavy weave Reinforced in spots that could rub tire, Tooling gelcoat, ect. The fenders don't flex as much so its harder to make them fit -/+ where they want to set. Too bad they don't make a cool looking kit any more.

[kognition]

This question seems to crop up weekly.
Never buy copied $hit. Because it will always be $hit. Made by someone that copied a part that came from an original mold.... that likely came off of a master pattern.

Getting Uras for my hatch.. friend of mine owner a part shop and gave me both price on the Uras.

680 for Real Uras Type 4

350 for Copy Uras Type 4

both are made of fiberglass

If you had copy on your 240sx let me know your opinions

[AznDrftr.]

wtf.

buy the real deal. period.

nobody wants fake shit, then again, if you cant afford it, work with what you got right.

[CKAMC]

J-blood aero is where its at..

flexing fiberglass :) (sfrp)

http://www.j-blood.com/img/sfrp_img.gif

http://www.j-blood.com/sfrp.htm

[KiDyNomiTe]

Fake Stuff = Fits like shit, quality is shit, and you're supporting Chinese thieves, the same ones who are also taking away American jobs, and putting lead paint in kids toys.


lol wow, you don't like Chinese people do you... And not all knockoffs are made in China... So buying a knockoff isn't killing the children.

[Slidin240Wayz]

lol wow, you don't like Chinese people do you... And not all knockoffs are made in China... So buying a knockoff isn't killing the children.


Somewhere down the line, the low class is affected.

It might now be making the kits, but the other parts that make kits.

Same thing happens with the Orange Juice business in the USA.

Farms will hold immigrants by blackmale and have them work for free.

/OT.

Live and learn.

[Brian]

and version select doesn't exactly fit great either.

i have version select on my car.


mine fits GREAT.

had a lot of them by now since i always run them over.

this is what i do.

take out of box
put on car
drill hole for ziptie
sand
paint
put on
done

[StaticX27]

Sad thing is, I've seen some of the FD body kits where the replica had a tighter fit than the real thing. Some replica makers actually are really good at their craft and do a replica off the real thing, which loses even less. A friend of mine has had some of the best fitting replicas I've ever seen, to the point where you can't even tell it was a replica unless you knew what to look for.

However, there are a few things you need to pay attention to when inquiring about replicas, depending on the material. Some of the Polyurethane replicas don't use high temperature resin, as it's quite expensive, so your bumper can warp over time. Fiberglass, as was mentions there's stronger and weaker fiberglasses out there, it all depends on what's used.

However, as much as some people may balk at this statement: Signal auto in southern california actually makes some damn good fitting replicas. Also check out some companies such as BRS-Autodesign, AeroDuo, etc. Some good stuff can come out of those companies that I would buy their replicas over the real thing, as it's half the price and around 90% - 110% of the original.

To summarize: Knock offs can be good if you buy them from the right place :)

[Brian]

like I said before too though.... the more they use that mold, the worse it gets.

Molds arent cheap.


mass produce a front bumper.... the first ones will probably be good, but then it is downhill from there.


then when it fits like shit, you gotta send it back, then you get charged shipping, then they send a new one, charged shipping again, and so on and so forth.

[sblack13]

it's a hit and miss with knockoff's really. I've had some fit like shit and some fit like a glove. To anyone wanting to buy a real kit your have greater chances of it fitting better with the real thing.

[SlideAlliance]

My $200 BN Kits have always fit incredibly well. The actual pieces aren't shorter or smaller or warped or anything. I don't see what the big deal is with everyone bashing knockoffs, they rock.

[Brian]

^^^^^
people are baching because...

1. it seems that it is either hit or miss with fitment/quality.
2. it fuckes over the people and companies that originally spent the t ime and money to design them.

[Matej]

In my opinion it balances itself out pretty well this way. There will always be people who buy the real thing because they have the money, and/or because they want the feeling of being better than everybody. If everyone had the real heat, it wouldn't be cool anymore and the OG's would start looking for something more exclusive again.


i have knock off because i go to college and eat top romen and try to drift. but i havent had a front bumper since july
Haha I'm about to buy aero and I'm not even getting the front bumper to save my money.


My $200 BN Kits have always fit incredibly well.
200$?! Please tell me where I can buy one. :bigok:

[babowc]

Fake Stuff = Fits like shit, quality is shit, and you're supporting Chinese thieves, the same ones who are also taking away American jobs, and putting lead paint in kids toys.

thats the stupidest shit I heard ALL day.

My $200 BN Kits have always fit incredibly well. The actual pieces aren't shorter or smaller or warped or anything. I don't see what the big deal is with everyone bashing knockoffs, they rock.
mind sharing where you got a kit for $200? :)

BTW.
that really IS a great price on the authentic URAS aero..jump on the real deal at that price for sure!

[zugoi]

how can you have "real" version select? Isn't that like having a real $3 bill?

Anyways, to the original poster, it doesn't say where ur located, but if ur in the bay go to Sunny Autobody in San Francisco

and ask for denny? Nice guy

[atom]

I always say knockoffs are like photocopies, it may be decent but it'll never be like an original. And the more you copy a kit without redoing the mold it's like making a photocopy of a photocopy, keeps getting progressively worse. But for some people its good enough. Whatever.

[420sx]

if you gonna track the car it dont matter. if it doesnt fit, make it fit good, it takes no experience and just takes some time and save some cash for things are important or towards a more baller paint ;)

you gonna wreck the kit anyhow. fuck it.

[slower than you]

i had a fake uras, front bumper fit great side skirts fit great, but the rear bumper fit like shit, but i made it work. so its really just hit and miss. but at those prices, you should buy both.

[StaticX27]

^^^^^
people are baching because...

1. it seems that it is either hit or miss with fitment/quality.
2. it fuckes over the people and companies that originally spent the t ime and money to design them.

I'll have you know it takes a good amount of time and effort to properly create a replica of a product.... Why shouldn't those companies get support too? :P

Also, some replica makers make some pretty good changes to the original design. Take Rotary Extreme for example. They were selling a 99 spec front end, without the license plate holder on the front bumper! It was so much cleaner looking, but it was just a slightly modified replica of an OEM Mazda front bumper on the 99 specs. Or a friend of mine made a copy of the STi GT style wing that was availible in Japan only, except he made it out of carbon fiber and was selling em for around $200 a pop. Or how about random fiberglass hoods shops make in different color weave of carbon fiber.

They're all knock offs. Are they any better or worse than what you're describing?

[SlideAlliance]

I wish I could share my secrets with you, however my BN aero is for an FC not my S14

[BigCrash]

Save a Japanese company. Buy real aero. :wiggle:

[SlideAlliance]

Point me to the guy who can get real BN aero here and I will

[BigCrash]

How about BN Sports USA?

[Matej]

Save a Japanese company. Buy real aero. :wiggle:
Ehh I doubt Japanese companies need us to support them, they get good business in their own country, the bigger companies with the money export their parts here probably only to be nice so the people who really want it can get their hands on the good stuff, but I'm sure whether they stay afloat or not depends on their sales in Japan.

So it's more like buy real aero if you want more cool stuff to be sold here.

[SlideAlliance]

you mean this one?

http://www.bnsports.us/

[BigCrash]

Ehh I doubt Japanese companies need us to support them, they get good business in their own country, the bigger companies with the money export their parts here probably only to be nice so the people who really want it can get their hands on the good stuff, but I'm sure whether they stay afloat or not depends on their sales in Japan.

So it's more like buy real aero if you want more cool stuff to be sold here.

Japanese companies aren't in as comfy a financial position as you may think. There are a few teetering on the edge of closing because of all the knock-offs in Japan. Supermade no longer sells footwork or exhausts and with the copies available now who knows how much longer their aero lineup is going to last unless they get a good hook in the US.

The latest company to go under is CST. They still have some stuff left on the shelf but they're not going to be restocked after that's all gone. I tried to order 10 sets of Zero-1 Hyper only to find out they don't have anything left better than 8.5J.

[firelizard]

Japanese companies aren't in as comfy a financial position as you may think. There are a few teetering on the edge of closing because of all the knock-offs in Japan. Supermade no longer sells footwork or exhausts and with the copies available now who knows how much longer their aero lineup is going to last unless they get a good hook in the US.

The latest company to go under is CST. They still have some stuff left on the shelf but they're not going to be restocked after that's all gone. I tried to order 10 sets of Zero-1 Hyper only to find out they don't have anything left better than 8.5J.

*nod*

I heard rumours of Anceltion kicking the bucket, and Brain Cadena going bankrupt as well.

[StaticX27]

A number of big name companies are going under as well. Trouble is, there were so many Japanese auto part companies that banks were turning companies down for business loans, so, the startup money comes from "other" sources. These other sources are seeing the writing on the wall and are pulling out before they take a loss themselves. Too many choices is good for customers but bad for businesses, not enough money to go around, therefore they're gonna start dropping like flies

You heard it here first :P

[Brian]

I'll have you know it takes a good amount of time and effort to properly create a replica of a product.... Why shouldn't those companies get support too? :P

Also, some replica makers make some pretty good changes to the original design. Take Rotary Extreme for example. They were selling a 99 spec front end, without the license plate holder on the front bumper! It was so much cleaner looking, but it was just a slightly modified replica of an OEM Mazda front bumper on the 99 specs. Or a friend of mine made a copy of the STi GT style wing that was availible in Japan only, except he made it out of carbon fiber and was selling em for around $200 a pop. Or how about random fiberglass hoods shops make in different color weave of carbon fiber.

They're all knock offs. Are they any better or worse than what you're describing?


This is EXACTLY the excuse that the copy companies make... "ohhh we changed it 20%, so it isn't the same"
Come on, get real.


These companies shouldn't get support because they take the original product and COPY it. All of the time and work and money put into creating the original design is stolen. It is quite simple to understand.


Simply removing a license plate holder is a pretty stupid excuse.

[lilredstiffy]

This is EXACTLY the excuse that the copy companies make... "ohhh we changed it 20%, so it isn't the same"
Come on, get real.


These companies shouldn't get support because they take the original product and COPY it. All of the time and work and money put into creating the original design is stolen. It is quite simple to understand.


Simply removing a license plate holder is a pretty stupid excuse.

I thought you liked Version Select?

[slideways2004]

This is EXACTLY the excuse that the copy companies make... "ohhh we changed it 20%, so it isn't the same"
Come on, get real.


These companies shouldn't get support because they take the original product and COPY it. All of the time and work and money put into creating the original design is stolen. It is quite simple to understand.


Simply removing a license plate holder is a pretty stupid excuse.

preaching 2 different things buddy. you want to support the real/original companies, yet buy version select parts

don't get upset. just go put some more stickers on. lol

[hitman]

do what he says not as he does

[babowc]

No 240sx owner, unless loaded, will go drifting in an authentic aero.
majority of 240sx owners are poor.
get by using fake aero, who gives a fuck, jebus.

if you're gonna track the car, get fake aero.

[SimpleSexy180]

sucks to be in your majority

[StaticX27]

This is EXACTLY the excuse that the copy companies make... "ohhh we changed it 20%, so it isn't the same"
Come on, get real.

These companies shouldn't get support because they take the original product and COPY it. All of the time and work and money put into creating the original design is stolen. It is quite simple to understand.

Simply removing a license plate holder is a pretty stupid excuse.

The first part of my post was sarcastic, I guess you missed that part.

Point being, more of the Rotary Extreme front bumpers were sold over the Mazda 99 specs in the US. Availibility was a bit reason, but primarily its because RE met a demand that the market had. Yes, it's a replica, yes it's stealing someone else's design, but its also meeting a demand in the market.

No one bitched when Micro$oft stole Xerox's idea of a mouse operated user interface, why are people bitching when companies make knock offs, and adjust it to their own needs?