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jonathanvolk
10-09-2002, 12:14 PM
any suggestions for front/rear spring rates for a good drifting setup?

ruf
10-09-2002, 01:18 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (jonathanvolk @ Oct. 09 2002,1:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">any suggestions for front/rear spring rates for a good drifting setup?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
High and higher. GP Sports drift suspension is 12k/10k. That will shake the teeth out of your head.

240racer
10-10-2002, 01:56 PM
with drifting you want little traction in the rear, some traction in the front. &nbsp;Stiff springs in the rear. &nbsp;get crappy rear tires, fill them up to the max, super stiff anti-roll bars. &nbsp;all these things will help reduce rear end traction. &nbsp;Also, take off your front anti-roll bar. &nbsp;You cold just find some snow or gravel, that reduces traction nicely.

Dousan_PG
10-10-2002, 09:49 PM
i dont agree with this
stiffer in the rear yes, but not stiffer spring rates the front is higher for a reason: engine. 8/6 is good (ok) for street and track. 10/8 is like Apex N1s..harsh but for track, perfect. 12/10 is pretty hardcore-track lover!

sway bars? NOOOO leave htem both on. you want the front stiff too, because if its sloppy you dont have control. you want the rear stiff but not ridiculously stiff-snap oversteer and more difficulty controlling the drift

tires? depends on your power. if you are KA making 135 RWHP then stck with the crappies

if you are some 300+ RWHP beast then get some nicer tires, remember, if your tires are shit, then when you are leaving the drift you have no grip-no traction on the rest of the track, its really bad when you DONT WANT TO DRIFT but u have no choice.

most poe;ple are ok with used tires. cheap and last a while.
as far as practicing on gravel and snow..you better be good. i always think that practicing on asfault (dry) is the bst only because you learn the MOST. water is like cheaing in a way and increases risk because your front tires are also wet! snow? u better be damn good. you lose all traction there..on all wheels

just my .02
peace. and be safe!

LexusRules
10-11-2002, 05:13 PM
if ur smart, go snow > wet > dry

if you're crazy start in a parking lot and then move to big huge open turns always dry. You will hit something if you are too agressive.

As for spring rates.. even the stock suspension is balanced. it depends where you have taken off weight on the car and how you tune other factors like roll bar, toe, camber, caster, pressures, chassis braces, tires etc. just get a normal 8/6 or 6/5 suspension is good ENOUGH!!

mrdaniel
10-11-2002, 05:40 PM
I used to own a FC with 325rwhp 60-1 compressor upgrade, e6k, 750/1600, dual pump, fmic and I used the stock FLT-A2 setting which is 8kg/6kg and that is ENOUGH trust me...its not so much your springrate as it is your technique...to much &nbsp;you'll spin/not be able to recover..to little.. you wont break loose, also, your spring rate is not the only factor to your "drift setup"

camber, toe, sway bars, tire pressure, road quality, road condition, tire quality etc., there is no BEST setup.

I'd have to say it boils down to your technique and overall setup not just springrate.

drift freaq
10-11-2002, 11:46 PM
ok, spring rate is not the most critical in the drift IMHO. What you need to do is first off eliminate body roll period!!!!
The first thing that helps in this is bigger anti sway bars.
stiffening up your suspension is also a factor but not the deciding one . leave the bigger swaybars out and you will get the body roll with the stock anti sway bars.
The idea is you want the car to slide flat. When you get body roll in a pitch it gets ugly and uncontrollable.
Yes you can drift with open differentials but expect to swap sides in your drift i.e. drift left then start drifting right. This is because at a certain point in the drift with your open differential it will start spinning the opposite wheel and the spinning wheel will get traction and stop spinning this pitchs the car to the opposite lock direction steering wise.
This is way hardcore drifters use L.S.D.'s because with a LSD your car will spin both wheels equally allowing it to stay in the right hand or left hand drift you initiate.

ok &nbsp;the next thing in car control that I feel is important is adjustable camber settings and toe.
dialing in negative camber is your friend when you are cornering hard or in a hard drift.
basically with stock camber your wheel leans in the corner and actually loses some tread contact . If you apply negative camber to your wheel it will plant the tire flatter on the road in cornering or wheel turning, thus allowing better traction and control. Especially in th drift where you need it.
The side effect of this is your tires will lean when not in the corner and wear more on the inside.
cops hate this and AAA says its dangerous.
If you are serious about this stuff you will not care <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/laugh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':laugh:'>
I have done 85 mph in the pouring rain thru s turns on the bayshore freeway frontage road in Palo Alto ca in my 69 2 door Datsun 510 when I had a 1.25 degrees of negative camber on the front wheels with Datsun comp swaybars and ST springs and bilstein shocks.
most &nbsp;drifters run at least 1 degree of negative camber on their wheels.
a good set of coilovers will be enough for drifting with larger swaybars.
hell, even KYB AGX's with springs will work if you get Whiteline swaybars and some kind of camber toe adjustment.
The cool thing about the Whiteline swaybars is you can dial in your roll stiffness according to what you need due to road conditions or suspension setup . This is done thru blade holes on the swaybars that allow you to change the pickup point of the endlink.
ok thats about it in a nutshell. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>

mrdaniel
10-12-2002, 01:00 AM
read my above post...I said everything you did...haha =P <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/baaa.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':baaa:'>

drift freaq
10-12-2002, 01:52 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">read my above post...I said everything you did...haha =P &nbsp;</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

ya but you did not elaborate on the subject your were very vague with just generalized statements. I gave info with reasons for that would educate the original poster in his decision . all you did was make statements. the original poster would read your post and go okay but why? I explained why I gave him the physics behind the info so to say.
we are here to help each other. That means imparting knowledge. All you did was give your opinion with a small amount of very vague info.
I gave him the whole deal. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/baaa.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':baaa:'>

jonathanvolk
10-12-2002, 03:17 PM
damn, thats alot of good info..thanks. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

mrdaniel
10-12-2002, 03:47 PM
Also, if you really wanna get crazy....get a pair of 0 offset or - (yes negative) offset wheels for the front =)

The best mod you can do for drift is PRACTICE! I know it sounds whack but the 240 has a VERY balanced and VERY driftable suspension from the factory as well.

Just as a side-note..anyone have experiance w/ Zeal B6 coilovers? I wanna try something besides JIC

freq...I guess the fact we both posted the same thing just goes to show that great minds think alike &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>