Its all Downhill from here for Cali Tuners

[fliprayzin240sx]

http://www.bikernewsonline.com/2008/01/power-commander-fined-by-california-arb.htm

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The American Motorcylist Association reports that the California Air Resources Board completed an investigation of the Power Commander ignition module produced by DynoJet Research, and found it to be in violation of the agency's emissions standards...

CARB said that the installation of these devices would adversely affect the emissions control systems of vehicles that were certified by the original equipment manufacturers to comply with the agency's emissions standards. Dynojet has now certified a California version of the "Power Commander" and has agreed to pay $1,000,000 in penalties to the California Air Pollution Control Fund.

There is a very popular tuning tool (fuel/ignition controller with PC interface) for motorcycles called the DynoJet Power Commander. The company has now been fined by the CARB (California Air Resource Board). Hopefully this is just a one time thing and it doesn't start a trend for other companies to be fined. That would be bad news for everyone, motorcycle and car enthusiasts.

Time to move out of state folks...i heard AZ is better now and Reno is just lovely.

EDIT: WTF happend to "off-road use only"???

[status:one]

It's going to be a very slippery slope for cali tuners. That sucks... but there will always be ways to get around things.

[imnotmatt1189]

Ughhh cali sucks!

[Bobafreak]

yeah this wont stop us lol. those who are smart and witty will survive.

[breakindrifts]

I was going to buy a power commander for my R6 too. Doesn't relaly affect car guys yet.

[Matej]

Unghh when is Cali going to break off and become it's own country already haha.

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Its a good thing we don't. California's legislators are more like dictators.
Shit, in Sacramento county, you can't burn a fire in your fireplace without first asking for permission.
They're trying to outlaw woodburning fireplaces all together.

[DreamN]

blah... this shit is just depressing. i'm all for a healthier environment and everthing, but a lot of the crap these CARB folk limit is just plain ridiculous.

[Bobafreak]

Its not even that most law enforcer's dont abide by this carb legal crap even when its stated on your vehicle. They will still send you to your local ref. sighhh

[BustedS13]

Its a good thing we don't. California's legislators are more like dictators.
Shit, in Sacramento county, you can't burn a fire in your fireplace without first asking for permission.
They're trying to outlaw woodburning fireplaces all together.
rofl, seriously? i could burn a whole tree in my back yard for fun

[fliprayzin240sx]

Whats fucked up is that the whole state is all about making big brother laws. Shit, theyre worst than the damn Air Force. When people get hurt and shiet happens, ordinances and laws come down to try to stop it from happening again. Next thing you know, anything fun will be out the window because somebody got hurt or killed doing it. Funny part is that its not like they got anything more pressing to do...like fixing the fucking state budget, school system, getting people off welfare, making more jobs, or shiet that actually help the state more. You wanna fix the smog issues in Cali Californians?!?! TELL THEM TO MAKE A BETTER PUBLIC TRANSPORTATION SYSTEM!!!

[WilloW]

blah... this shit is just depressing. i'm all for a healthier environment and everthing, but a lot of the crap these CARB folk limit is just plain ridiculous.

Communist
Air
Resource
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IIRC they're also suing the Bush administration and the EPA over emission standards for the new cars in California. The crazier thing is that other states are slowly adopting California standards of regulating emission. By the time I'm done with school and go back to Cali, I should probably have a bone stock KA in my car.

[BustedS13]

Communist
Air
Resource
Board

IIRC they're also suing the Bush administration and the EPA over emission standards for the new cars in California. The crazier thing is that other states are slowly adopting California standards of regulating emission. By the time I'm done with school and go back to Cali, I should probably have a bone stock KA in my car.

what's great is here, they just did away with emissions testing on all cars. instead of putting you on a roller and testing your emissions, they just make sure than 96+ ECU's aren't throwing codes. on 95 and older, they just make sure that you have emissions equipment. and that pretty much just means they look to see if you have a cat. i think illinois is cutting back on their emissions laws, too.

[TheSquidd]

I will wade through all this BS law crap as long as we have Willow Springs.

[Matej]

The crazier thing is that other states are slowly adopting California standards of regulating emission.
That's what sucks. All these stupid laws will slowly spread because other states are jocking Cali since it's one of the most known and influential states in the U.S. A big part of that has to do with that fact that California has the western coastline and Hollywood, every other movie takes place in Cali and makes it look like paradise.

[lflkajfj12123]

what's great is here, they just did away with emissions testing on all cars. instead of putting you on a roller and testing your emissions, they just make sure than 96+ ECU's aren't throwing codes. on 95 and older, they just make sure that you have emissions equipment. and that pretty much just means they look to see if you have a cat. i think illinois is cutting back on their emissions laws, too.

yes illinois is too

any car pre obdII (95 or older) does not have to go through emissions.

i can be pooring gasoline out of my exhaust with bottle rockets shooting out for all they care

[DreamN]

Well, many parts of Cali are truly a paradise. Blah... wish I had lots of moniez :(

[Matej]

Well, many parts of Cali are truly a paradise. Blah... wish I had lots of moniez :(
It's a paradise for certain groups of people, such as senior citizens, but obviously not for car enthusiasts, or people who want to burn firewood.

[!Zar!]

Doesn't really matter.

Not like I need to smog my bike.

Still can buy it online.

So at least it isn't as bad as I was thinking.

[DreamN]

Matej, dude do you know how many awesome tracks there are in cali? it's heaven for a true enthusiasts. consider how many track events we have and it's just wow! I can't wait to get my car out on the track. Who says you need gobs of horsepower to enjoy a car. Suspension plus some key modifications to your car and you have a sweet toy to enjoy :D

[steve shadows]

Ughhh cali sucks!

Look for this in the rest of the country, if the big govt continues to explode.

You can run but you can't hide.

vote Ron Paul lol IM serious.

btw, doesnt effect Dyno Dynamics. :)

Im fine :)

[ESmorz]

I love how any thread that mentions California turns into a people from out of state bashing California thread.
In reality though even with emissions crap we have tons of tracks and events, more tuner enthusiasts than a lot of states combined more than likely.

Yeah it sucks that they crack-down on us but hey... at least the weathers nice. haha

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

You know whats funny, this is fucking pointless, you don't even have to smog your motorcycle. WHO GIVES A FUCK!
Carb is looking for funding.

[Bobafreak]

I love how any thread that mentions California turns into a people from out of state bashing California thread.
In reality though even with emissions crap we have tons of tracks and events, more tuner enthusiasts than a lot of states combined more than likely.

Yeah it sucks that they crack-down on us but hey... at least the weathers nice. haha

^ i don't know. These last days have been shitty.

[fliprayzin240sx]

I guess the whole issue is that what will happen when lets say, XS-engineering gets sued or similar companies for modifying vehicles? Thats when, in my eyes, the domino effect of this ruling goes. If they can sue 1 company and win, whats stopping them from suing Greddy, Apex'i, XS and other car tuning company? Next thing you know, parts are banned in cali and shops like Phase2 are going out of business...

[ESmorz]

^ i don't know. These last days have been shitty.

A little rain here and there is nice, makes you appreciate the sun a little more.


I guess the whole issue is that what will happen when lets say, XS-engineering gets sued or similar companies for modifying vehicles? Thats when, in my eyes, the domino effect of this ruling goes. If they can sue 1 company and win, whats stopping them from suing Greddy, Apex'i, XS and other car tuning company? Next thing you know, parts are banned in cali and shops like Phase2 are going out of business...

Yeah... The legal system is a joke. (state and federal)

However, I'm to poor to afford anything performance enhancing for my car anyways haha.

Cross our fingers I guess.

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

I guess the whole issue is that what will happen when lets say, XS-engineering gets sued or similar companies for modifying vehicles? Thats when, in my eyes, the domino effect of this ruling goes. If they can sue 1 company and win, whats stopping them from suing Greddy, Apex'i, XS and other car tuning company? Next thing you know, parts are banned in cali and shops like Phase2 are going out of business...
Well most places do have a disclaimer saying "parts are sold for off road use only, and are not to be used on emissions controlled vehicles"
or something like that.
So hopefully they can't be held liable.

[Bobafreak]

^ That is very true. Though they know most of our vehicles are on the road anyway but they what the hell im sure big companys like that its going to take a bit more to affect them.

[0100]

Unghh when is Cali going to break off and become it's own country already haha.

Seriously the state is just too damn gay to even be considered USofA. I mean you guys don't even have real fuel, what is it camel piss or something.

[slothonaleash]

It's the trade off for having such nice tracks and roads to drive on....Come on down to ohio...possibly the most boring place to be, except you can drive whatever you can scrap together

[0100]

Lot's of cool race tracks that aren't too far from ohio and in ohio.

[Matej]

Matej, dude do you know how many awesome tracks there are in cali? it's heaven for a true enthusiasts. consider how many track events we have and it's just wow! I can't wait to get my car out on the track. Who says you need gobs of horsepower to enjoy a car. Suspension plus some key modifications to your car and you have a sweet toy to enjoy :D
Yeah, at least you guys have some awesome tracks and lots of events, but when all these laws made up in California eventually make it here, we'll have...nothing.

It seems that 240's in Cali are slowly becoming track-only cars unless you want to keep it almost stock, and I hate track-only cars, they'll always be confined to a patch of asphalt, it makes me depressed, especially when they look good, because to me it's all about that special feeling you get when you see a gangster 240 driving down the road or parked somewhere in a random parking lot. I like to drive my car on the street and listen to my motor rev when I'm in the mood for a scenic drive, I'd take the freedom to drive my modded car on the street over having a track anyday.

By the way don't get me wrong I love California, it's just that being into 240's it makes me upset to hear about the hippie politics and car profiling.

[powersteeringless180sx]

yea cali sucks but you gotta love the weather. i just got ref'd for the 2nd time but i love my 240 too much to get rid of. it's a PITA but it's worth it to me cuz i love my car. guess you gotta be a real 240 enthusiast to be in cali.

[Bobafreak]

Seriously the state is just too damn gay to even be considered USofA. I mean you guys don't even have real fuel, what is it camel piss or something.

hey hey hey !we have vp racing gas stations pumping 100 octane. though its about 5.00 a gallon.....

[98s14inaz]

Time to move out of state folks...i heard AZ is better now and Reno is just lovely.


Arizona is not bad. A lot of areas that were previously emissions exempt are requiring emissions now which sucks. OBDII is still plug and pray with a gas cap pressure check. OBDI is a joke, all you need to do is get your car to pass the sniffer, brief visual, and gas cap pressure test.

On a related note, I just had mine done on my latest s14 (OBDII) and the computer couldn't communicate with my car's ecu. However I did not have a cel on so I passed. In fact they didn't even open the hood.

As soon as I can get a spare ecu and harness I am going to rig a OBDII ecu to run in parallell to what ever swap I put in the car. I'll hook it up to control the cel and wire in resistors to the harness to "simulate" the sensors and of course wire it to the obdII plug. Other than the legal aspects I don't see why this wouldn't work. It won't control anything other than simulating that the sensors are all working. I'm done with my tangent now.

Anyway, Commiefornia sucks. You couldn't pay me to live there.

[status:one]

California is a great place.

In the end... emission control will be as strongly enforced everywhere.

[98s14inaz]

California is a great place.

In the end... emission control will be as strongly enforced everywhere.

Yeah if you don't like guns, morality, and cheap fast cars. Most of the country will never be that liberal. Not trying to pick a fight with you. Just stating my opinion.

[status:one]

Yeah if you don't like guns, morality, falling into the sea, and cheap fast cars. Most of the country will never be that liberal. Not trying to pick a fight with you. Just stating my opinion.

Mate, I'm British... not to mention I don't live there. I myself do hold conservative views, but I could care less about the politics in that part of the country. I heard your opinion, and I was clearly just stating mine in response. get over it.

[BustedS13]

California is a great place.

In the end... emission control will be as strongly enforced everywhere.

the states in this region have been working to get rid of all the emissions red tape, as i've stated previously.

[98s14inaz]

Mate, I'm British... not to mention I don't live there. I myself do hold conservative views, but I could care less about the politics in that part of the country. I heard your opinion, and I was clearly just stating mine in response. get over it.
Calm down killer. We're just talking here. I just wanted to make sure you knew I wasn't attacking you.

[!Zar!]

Why the fuck is everyone saying california sucks and crying like little bitches.

This shit is for motorcycles.

It has NOTHING to do with cars.

As Joe and I said earlier, you don't even need to smog your motorcycle.

So that means you can run open exhaust, and kill babies if you want.

Fuck. What's with all the car talk about a motorcycle specific problem.

Dumb shits.

ugh.

[Yuri]

I don't care anymore anyway.
From now on, I'm only going to buy pre-1975 cars anyway.
Then I can enjoy fire-spewing RB's and Extremely large hydrocarbon spewing carbureted V8's while having cops compliment me on my cars, while never popping the hood except to see how freaking awesome it is.

[driftyour40]

I never understood Cali emissions; I never understood what was wrong with just passing emissions, not inspection. Check engine lights and all the shiet. It just makes more sense to me at least, to just have an emissions test and a vehicle safety inspection. As in as long as it’s safe to drive on the street (witch Cali pays no attention to) and passes emissions it should be fine. The money they would loose would be made up doing safety repairs, so no harm no foul.

[Rob's S14]

I love Cali, even though some of our laws don't make sense. Every state has a give an take, but I wouldn't want to live anywhere else. And Yuri is right about the pre '75 cars. I got more compliments from cops when I had my 67 lincoln than from regular people.

[steve shadows]

Californicated State Pizza Pie of the Amexican Union of Amarica

[johngriff]

No its going to get worse and worse.

CARB has been suing Ebay for offroad atv vendors selling 50cc + atv's to California residents that are not "certified for offroad use in california".

They are suing all around to everyone everywhere and everybody. Get used to it.

[Farzam]

This is why I love the east coast

[TheSquidd]

No its going to get worse and worse.

CARB has been suing Ebay for offroad atv vendors selling 50cc + atv's to California residents that are not "certified for offroad use in california".

They are suing all around to everyone everywhere and everybody. Get used to it.

Yeah that strategy is working GANG BUSTERS for the RIAA.

I'm not worried about it. The harder the higher ups push against us, the harder we'll push back. Like we're all gonna cave in? Who here would just flat out give up cars? I won't, no matter what the cost. That's like saying if paint was made illegal, people would stop painting. Not gonna happen. People will just be more creative. Paint with blood or something.

In summary.

They can't stop us, and I find it funny to watch them try.

[ONYX S-13]

I don't care anymore anyway.
From now on, I'm only going to buy pre-1975 cars anyway.
Then I can enjoy fire-spewing RB's and Extremely large hydrocarbon spewing carbureted V8's while having cops compliment me on my cars, while never popping the hood except to see how freaking awesome it is.


Bah ha ha ha ha ha !!!

[ONYX S-13]

I don't care anymore anyway.
From now on, I'm only going to buy pre-1975 cars anyway.
Then I can enjoy fire-spewing RB's and Extremely large hydrocarbon spewing carbureted V8's while having cops compliment me on my cars, while never popping the hood except to see how freaking awesome it is.


Bah ha ha ha ha ha !!!

I never understood Cali emissions; I never understood what was wrong with just passing emissions, not inspection. Check engine lights and all the shiet. It just makes more sense to me at least, to just have an emissions test and a vehicle safety inspection. As in as long as it’s safe to drive on the street (witch Cali pays no attention to) and passes emissions it should be fine. The money they would loose would be made up doing safety repairs, so no harm no foul.

Indeed.. That's what made me mad the most when I was getting my last 240 smogged.. The tech was like "this is one of the cleanest burning cars I've tested all day, but I still can't pass you cause your C.E.L came on during the test"

I was fuming cause I'd drive it all the time and the C.E.L would only come on when it was on the rollers... It took like 5 times to pass Just cause a stupid light would flicker on while testing and then decide to turn off on the drive home.. I wanted to just drive the car into a wall sooo many times cause of that.

[HyperTek]

but cali is a really great place.. perhaps one of the reasons why other states have aftermarket parts in teh first place, all teh distributors are from here, its not hard to start a business , anyone can open up a car shop out here *doesnt mean anyone will be successful* but you always got that chance.

I can understand the need to crack the law down, otherwise im sure things would get out of hand and you would see crazy unsafe shit on the roads, but this stuff hurts businesses and the economy for us people who pretty much live for cars..

but does sound like teh Apocalypse is near.. lmao

[!Zar!]

I was fuming cause I'd drive it all the time and the C.E.L would only come on when it was on the rollers... It took like 5 times to pass Just cause a stupid light would flicker on while testing and then decide to turn off on the drive home.. I wanted to just drive the car into a wall sooo many times cause of that.

What code was that?

Getting a cel to act normal is easy as hell.

[steve shadows]

I don't care anymore anyway.
From now on, I'm only going to buy pre-1975 cars anyway.
Then I can enjoy fire-spewing RB's and Extremely large hydrocarbon spewing carbureted V8's while having cops compliment me on my cars, while never popping the hood except to see how freaking awesome it is.

Oh well there is already legislation to ban all cars older than 20 years too (as gross polluters)

There is also some key laws that only will effect those cars coming up... like

a law that bans keeping a non-operable vehicle at your house
a law that makes gross polluter apply in special circumstances to older vehicles

FUCK THE TAX PAYER! YEAH!

all in the name of "go green" meanwhile un-regulated Mexican trucks flood across the border spewing shit everywhere!

yeah!

Go do some deeper research on the Cali Legislature.

You can run but the communist community of amero is coming, unless you try to stop it haha

[drift freaq]

Oh well there is already legislation to ban all cars older than 20 years too (as gross polluters)

There is also some key laws that only will effect those cars coming up... like

a law that bans keeping a non-operable vehicle at your house
a law that makes gross polluter apply in special circumstances to older vehicles

FUCK THE TAX PAYER! YEAH!

all in the name of "go green" meanwhile un-regulated Mexican trucks flood across the border spewing shit everywhere!

yeah!

Go do some deeper research on the Cali Legislature.

You can run but the communist community of amero is coming, unless you try to stop it haha

Steve Shadows for public office, He is willing to make a change in your state legistlature!

[Yuri]

Oh well there is already legislation to ban all cars older than 20 years too (as gross polluters)

There is also some key laws that only will effect those cars coming up... like

a law that bans keeping a non-operable vehicle at your house
a law that makes gross polluter apply in special circumstances to older vehicles



Thankfully we've got SEMA.
They've done an excellant job of defeating BS legislation so far, in fact they've gotten similar laws repealed on the east coast involving storage of non-op vehicles.

It's pretty safe to assume that SEMA would put all their considerable political muscle into stopping a ban on old cars.

[HyperTek]

serious!? damm crazy... you know how much more people will drive illegally and those people wont have insurance becuase of it. i hear about people driving illegally all the time becuase they cant afford it... what ever happens, i feel like we are living through history right now

[Yuri]

Everytime my car has been hit, it's by someone without insurance.
I thought in California, they suspend your registration if you don't have insurance.

[kouki_s14]

Everyone in cali needs to start driving hydrogen cars, then maybe we can throw all the smog laws down the drain. Although that probably won't happen for a few decades.

[steve shadows]

Everyone in cali needs to start driving hydrogen cars, then maybe we can throw all the smog laws down the drain. Although that probably won't happen for a few decades.
The "scientists" want you believe that the individual tax paying citizen who drives an auto-mobil with a class C drivers license is to blame.

Cargo Trucks from Mexico, Trains that are running on the same antiquated technology from the 1940s, Diesel ships in the port of Los Angeles (the 2nd most busy port in the country and one the busiest in the world) are actually to blame for up to 80% of the smog in the lower basin. The congestion, OVER-population and lack of accountability just adds to it.

not Joe-Shmo tax paying, law abiding citizen who decides to build a race car in his garage.

That’s their scapegoat. It's such a tiny portion of the population and even if we were to talk about illegal street racing deaths, it is the least contributing situation by statistics by the NTSA ITSELF(0.21% of all deaths in traffic collisions are even street racing related in the United States)!!!

Drunk driving, driving under the influence of drugs, being over tired and many more completely trump street racing deaths.

Yet the sensational news stories about 'street racing' etc keep making it to the front of the news line.


But trumping this card all the time, we are pushed out of our choice to be car enthusiasts and are forced to buy newer and newer trendy cars, like the Prius for example, which when one crashes or is sent to the junkyard is actually 10 times more deadly to the environment thanks to the chemicals in the batteries. It's the equivalent of NUCLEAR WASTE folks...

I mean GOVERNMENT has failed in this country; we at least need a roll back.

[kouki_s14]

The "scientists" want you believe that the individual tax paying citizen who drives an auto-mobil with a class C drivers license is to blame.

Cargo Trucks from Mexico, Trains that are running on the same antiquated technology from the 1940s, Diesel ships in the port of Los Angeles (the 2nd most busy port in the country and one the busiest in the world) are actually to blame for up to 80% of the smog in the lower basin. The congestion, OVER-population and lack of accountability just adds to it.

not Joe-Shmo tax paying, law abiding citizen who decides to build a race car in his garage.

That’s their scapegoat. It's such a tiny portion of the population and even if we were to talk about illegal street racing deaths, it is the least contributing situation by statistics by the NTSA ITSELF(0.21% of all deaths in traffic collisions are even street racing related in the United States)!!!

Drunk driving, driving under the influence of drugs, being over tired and many more completely trump street racing deaths.

Yet the sensational news stories about 'street racing' etc keep making it to the front of the news line.


But trumping this card all the time, we are pushed out of our choice to be car enthusiasts and are forced to buy newer and newer trendy cars, like the Prius for example, which when one crashes or is sent to the junkyard is actually 10 times more deadly to the environment thanks to the chemicals in the batteries. It's the equivalent of NUCLEAR WASTE folks...

I mean GOVERNMENT has failed in this country; we at least need a roll back.

I agree completely and i knew that the everyday commuter was not why the air is so horrible in cali. I just said that in hopes that the government would finally get off our backs about emissions and attack the proper people (ie the cargo ships, and everything you listed)
I've lost hope for California government, seems like every branch just wants to make more money.

[steve shadows]

we have to make them, by educating people voting for libertarians leaning candidates who want to actually reduce government spendsing and BS and turning off the fucking TV

[ONYX S-13]

What code was that?

Getting a cel to act normal is easy as hell.

E GEE FLIPPIN ARRRRRR

(EGR).. I had it in a shop for like 2 weeks and they couldn't find anything wrong with it either, and before that I tested it out manually and it worked fine, I changed E.C.U's, etc... I even made a thread in the so cal regional section and no one helped me out.. It eventually got smogged but it just took too much time and money just cause a light flickered on, yet the sniffer (the thing that actual measures SMOG!) said my car was running as clean as it was from the factory !