Japanese car mags run amok: Nissan Silvia revival to get Renault power

[ZilviaBot]

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http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/12/bestcar_250-op.jpg (http://www.gtchannel.com/content.php?cid=13308)Japan's Best Car supposedly has yet another scoop on the Nissan Silvia revival, and while the image gracing the mag's cover is little more than a photoshopped pipedream, the information presented within deserves note.

According to one of the publication's editors, a source at Nissan has suggested that the front-engine, rear-wheel-drive coupe could benefit from the Nissan/Renault alliance and fitted with a 2.0-liter engine lifted from the French automaker. Speculation is that the 225 hp turbocharged four-pot powering the Renault Megane Sport could be mounted up front, sending power to the rear wheels on a modified Z platform. Not only would that keep production costs low, but the motor could be shoved far back into the firewall, making it a competent corner carver in the process.

Best Car expects the S16 Silvia to be priced between $18,000 and $21,000 if and when it goes on sale in 2010.

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[azndoc]

Whatever.

It's a pipedream until I see it at a Nissan dealership here.

[panama DRIFT]

I just hope they keep the same motor in it when it comes to the US

[ALEXTHESUS*PECT]

sounds promising, but i'll wait till i see one!

[oldschoolsilvia]

Looks kinda cool... Reminds me of a Benz...

[90KAcoupe]

i wouldnt want a renault engine in the car.. it seems like they are trying to cut cost.... which makes the car cheaper... and well crappier. in my opinion the guy from renault is running nissan into the ground... my dad works in a dyno lab for nissan testing engines.. and the guy from renault is trying to cut cost so much if they run into a small engine problem they dont get the money to run further testing on it..

and now look at our cars.. yea the altima coupe and 350z... but look at the sentra and versa.. and the frontier that get 15mpg. and now talks of a cummins titan. with gas and diesel prices this high dont u think a little 2.5L frontier getting 30mpg would sell to the average public...

to stay on topic.. the s16 probaby wont come to america, it makes to much sense for nissan to bring it here.

[hustlervibes]

How much is this thing going to weigh? If the new GTR is any sign of how the S16 is going to turn out, it's gonna be a fatty. And if Nissan is watching how drifting is progressing in America I'm pretty sure they'll bring it over.

[J.Silvia]

id pay 20-25k or maybe even 30k if you could get a more beefed up version

[drift freaq]

i wouldnt want a renault engine in the car.. it seems like they are trying to cut cost.... which makes the car cheaper... and well crappier. in my opinion the guy from renault is running nissan into the ground... my dad works in a dyno lab for nissan testing engines.. and the guy from renault is trying to cut cost so much if they run into a small engine problem they dont get the money to run further testing on it..

and now look at our cars.. yea the altima coupe and 350z... but look at the sentra and versa.. and the frontier that get 15mpg. and now talks of a cummins titan. with gas and diesel prices this high dont u think a little 2.5L frontier getting 30mpg would sell to the average public...

to stay on topic.. the s16 probaby wont come to america, it makes to much sense for nissan to bring it here.

You know what, you need to go back and learn more about Renault and the fact that Ghosn brought Nissan back from the brink of extinction. They were headed into a terrible bankruptcy at the time Renault invested into Nissan. We owe

both the 350z and the New GTR because of him. The Versa is actually selling quite well in its segment. Your dad works for a dyno lab at the Nissan factory in the U.S., which hardly defines the overall company. When you get more facts you can speak up.

Renault has amazing turbo pro rally history, with the R5 Turbo AWD car in the early 90's. They also have Several F1 Championships under their belt. A 2 liter turbocharged Renault engine is not to be scoffed at. Renault was building DOHC engines in the 1920's!

Oh and the New Silvia would not be a S16. The S series chassis line is dead and gone. Nissan closed the doors on that production facility 7 years ago.
I would also add that they could easily drop a 200sx or 250sx into the lineup right now, because the GTR is high enough priced for the 2009 350z to move slightly upstream in price and open the door for a $15k-25k Silvia/200sx/250sx.
Oh and the Halo effect of the GTR is already working its magic.

[irax]

despite the fact that it will be a modified Z chassis it will it will be refered to as an S chassis regardless how technically correct you are dave. LOL!

even I will call it an s16 if they decide to actually do it.

[S14DB]

i wouldnt want a renault engine in the car.. it seems like they are trying to cut cost.... which makes the car cheaper... and well crappier. in my opinion the guy from renault is running nissan into the ground... my dad works in a dyno lab for nissan testing engines.. and the guy from renault is trying to cut cost so much if they run into a small engine problem they dont get the money to run further testing on it..

and now look at our cars.. yea the altima coupe and 350z... but look at the sentra and versa.. and the frontier that get 15mpg. and now talks of a cummins titan. with gas and diesel prices this high dont u think a little 2.5L frontier getting 30mpg would sell to the average public...

to stay on topic.. the s16 probaby wont come to america, it makes to much sense for nissan to bring it here.
The Current engines are still running better than the engines from 2yrs ago.

It's usually cheaper these days to toss an engine then spend the money to diagnose one.

How long has he been working at Decherd?

[shade]

We'll see when it comes out. I'll still love my S13 when I end up buying the new replacement for the S-chassis. I already have some money saved up for it. It better be good.

[Oo_Skyline_oO]

I've a few things to say to that. #1 doesn't anyone realize what a HUGE impact this would have on us s13/s14 drivers??? this means 100% legal, usdm engine swaps, nissan is probably going to have an i4-t powertrain and sicne there's no reason to make a new engine weaker then the s15 sr20,and its probably going to put out 260-275hp, the new z will have 330 and the gtr will have 480, its seems perfectly proportional. yes they may be a little expensive, but in a few years after they realease it they will be afordable and legal for s-chasis swaps, F*CKING genious!!
#2, I doubt it will actually make it, simply because of the cost range. only way it would make it is if 370z's start at mid-high 30's (instead of 19-49 range of today's 350) and I don't see that happening. z sales would drop hard if for a few g's less you could get a turbo'd s16. and #3, drift freak, do a little more "modern" research of renault engines, yes, they may have a great history, but they're new stuff is just simply SH*T my mom's altima had to have its engine COMPLETELY replaced because of the stupid QR25. they have WAY too many problems. rings went bad and ate up oil like buble gum, I have a picture proving one of the most recent recalls, the air filter literaly igniting into flames because of a cigarete butt and a little wind, ecu's randomely turn off the car out of the blue.

[4thHorse]

I thought the 350z started at 28k not 19k

[slidingsky]

I'm surprised that Nissan has not come out with a smaller RWD car by now. I'm referring to the Altima/Maxima. It used to be that the Altima was the "little brother" to the Maxima until the 04 body style which they ultimately gave the Altima the same features as the Maxima but sold it for a couple thousand less. So you could basically buy an Altima which at the time looked very similar to the Maxima that was cheaper and faster (if that means anything) than the Maxima.

[s14_legend]

looks like a mercedes slk re-shaped

[drift freaq]

I've a few things to say to that. #1 doesn't anyone realize what a HUGE impact this would have on us s13/s14 drivers??? this means 100% legal, usdm engine swaps, nissan is probably going to have an i4-t powertrain and sicne there's no reason to make a new engine weaker then the s15 sr20,and its probably going to put out 260-275hp, the new z will have 330 and the gtr will have 480, its seems perfectly proportional. yes they may be a little expensive, but in a few years after they realease it they will be afordable and legal for s-chasis swaps, F*CKING genious!!
#2, I doubt it will actually make it, simply because of the cost range. only way it would make it is if 370z's start at mid-high 30's (instead of 19-49 range of today's 350) and I don't see that happening. z sales would drop hard if for a few g's less you could get a turbo'd s16. and #3, drift freak, do a little more "modern" research of renault engines, yes, they may have a great history, but they're new stuff is just simply SH*T my mom's altima had to have its engine COMPLETELY replaced because of the stupid QR25. they have WAY too many problems. rings went bad and ate up oil like buble gum, I have a picture proving one of the most recent recalls, the air filter literaly igniting into flames because of a cigarete butt and a little wind, ecu's randomely turn off the car out of the blue.

Umm excuse, me. First off, you need to learn English punctuation and spelling, your post is barely readable. Second off, the QR is a Engine designed by Nissan for the North American market, just like the KA. Its not a Renault engine. Its not related to Renaults MR engine. I do agree its not a great engine but then again a lot of people say that about the KA.

Now if you can type a sentence without swearing every 5 words to describe things and post accurate intelligent information someone might pay attention to what you have to say. Otherwise you just fail and what you wrote above fails hard.

Get your facts and info straight son you would fail in debate 101.

Oh and thanks for basically saying, what I already wrote in a few sentences(but stretching it into 5 non sentences), about Nissan being able to fit a new Silvia/250sx into the line up. Fail again on your part.

[dorkidori_s13]

well...you can bet this car will become a reality now (not the image photoshopped above...but the actual s16 silvia)

lets take a look at nissans "performance line up" here....

sentra SE-R (peice of shit)







350z
GTR


notice that huge whole...yah...well thats where the majority of zilvians sit right now as well as the YOUTH market for sports cars

guess what car will be filling that hole (i should say CARS)...the new toyota RWD Celica and the new Hyundai Genesis Coupe...both of which are 4cyl rwd and turbo (well maybe not the new celica)...you could even through in the BMW 1 series if u like

so nissan has a HUGE problem right now...they have a MAJOR gap in their performance aimed line up that appeals to not only YOUNG enthusiasts...but enthusiasts all together...lets face it...the G35 and 350z are a luxury sports car...and the GTR is WAY out of most peoples budget

so nissan WILL be filling that hole...and doing so soon...the ONLY car that would do it would be the silvia...and they wouldnt want to repeat their mistake like they did with the 240sx by giving it that horrific truck engine (sorry KA guys...i hate that motor)...the car HAS TO PERFORM...so count on a RWD 4 cyl turbo setup

id say count on an OFFICIAL announcement sometime this year...prolly at the tokyo motor show or the LA auto show...MAYBE even a glimpse at a concept

[drift freaq]

well...you can bet this car will become a reality now (not the image photoshopped above...but the actual s16 silvia)

lets take a look at nissans "performance line up" here....

sentra SE-R (peice of shit)







350z
GTR


notice that huge whole...yah...well thats where the majority of zilvians sit right now as well as the YOUTH market for sports cars

guess what car will be filling that hole (i should say CARS)...the new toyota RWD Celica and the new Hyundai Genesis Coupe...both of which are 4cyl rwd and turbo (well maybe not the new celica)...you could even through in the BMW 1 series if u like

so nissan has a HUGE problem right now...they have a MAJOR gap in their performance aimed line up that appeals to not only YOUNG enthusiasts...but enthusiasts all together...lets face it...the G35 and 350z are a luxury sports car...and the GTR is WAY out of most peoples budget

so nissan WILL be filling that hole...and doing so soon...the ONLY car that would do it would be the silvia...and they wouldnt want to repeat their mistake like they did with the 240sx by giving it that horrific truck engine (sorry KA guys...i hate that motor)...the car HAS TO PERFORM...so count on a RWD 4 cyl turbo setup

id say count on an OFFICIAL announcement sometime this year...prolly at the tokyo motor show or the LA auto show...MAYBE even a glimpse at a concept

While you are correct about the hole in the lineup and it is already a forgone conclusion about the Silvia coming back out. Ghosn has already admitted to it on a few occasions in not so many words. You are wrong about it being a S16 like I stated earlier the S chassis designation is gone and dead.


You are completely wrong about the 350Z being a luxury sports car. Its not and has never been. The G35 on the other hand is.

If you doubt my words take a trip to Japan. Where the Fairlady 350Z is more popular than the V35 Skyline aka G35 because they consider the Skyline to have become to luxury. Its larger its more luxury and Japanese have a tendacy to not like that in sports cars.

The GTR is unto itself and is enough of a all out Super car to not even worry about being larger.

[dorkidori_s13]

You are wrong about it being a S16 like I stated earlier the S chassis designation is gone and dead.

i use the refference of "s16" simply because we have nothing else to call at the moment as far as a chassis code goes


You are completely wrong about the 350Z being a luxury sports car. Its not and has never been. The G35 on the other hand is.

no...im not...look at the Z compared to the GTR and Silvia...its marketed tword people who want a "sports car" that isnt actually a balls out sports car...its geared tword the people who buy SC430s and BMW Roadsters....they look sporty...and sorta feel fast...but there are better cars out there...everyone knows that when the silvia is re-released and is pared along side the GTR...the Z will fade back to the "yuppie" car it was in the 90s

(please dont take any of what i said above offensively...cause its not meant that way...its just nissan really screwed up its car lineup in america and they always seem to miss the mark on FIXING that screw up)

[drift freaq]

i use the refference of "s16" simply because we have nothing else to call at the moment as far as a chassis code goes




no...im not...look at the Z compared to the GTR and Silvia...its marketed tword people who want a "sports car" that isnt actually a balls out sports car...its geared tword the people who buy SC430s and BMW Roadsters....they look sporty...and sorta feel fast...but there are better cars out there...everyone knows that when the silvia is re-released and is pared along side the GTR...the Z will fade back to the "yuppie" car it was in the 90s

(please dont take any of what i said above offensively...cause its not meant that way...its just nissan really screwed up its car lineup in america and they always seem to miss the mark on FIXING that screw up)

Ahem, this is where your wrong. The 350z is not geared towards the SC430. Last time I checked the BMW Roadsters were true sports cars as are Boxsters. Nissan targeted the Boxster when they redid the Z and nailed it.

Its a true Sports car in every sense of the word. Unless you have driven one, which by the way you talk, I can tell you most likely haven't, you have not a clue. Its a pretty dope ass car and actually drifts better than S13's.

As far as Nissan screwing up their car lineup in the U.S. you talk about the past. We are currently getting some of the dopest cars they make and getting the HP options as well. The Cube is coming here. We got the GTR . You are speaking like you just climbed out from under a rock.

I do not take this personally, I just loving proving my points with facts.

[dorkidori_s13]

Ahem, this is where your wrong. The 350z is not geared towards the SC430. Last time I checked the BMW Roadsters were true sports cars as are Boxsters. Nissan targeted the Boxster when they redid the Z and nailed it.

Its a true Sports car in every sense of the word. Unless you have driven one, which by the way you talk, I can tell you most likely haven't, you have not a clue. Its a pretty dope ass car and actually drifts better than S13's.

As far as Nissan screwing up their car lineup in the U.S. you talk about the past. We are currently getting some of the dopest cars they make and getting the HP options as well. The Cube is coming here. We got the GTR . You are speaking like you just climbed out from under a rock.

I do not take this personally, I just loving proving my points with facts.


ive driven a 350Z before...quite a few times actually...and yes...its a nice car...very solid and it will be a great base for the new silvia as we missed an entire generation of nissan sportscars in america...i mean...no S15...that was a marvel that was COMPLETELY missed (and painfully missed)...but i wouldnt call it a true sports car...to me its a luxury sports car...and im not gonna argue why any more

u can argue ur points all u want with me...i know my shit when it comes to nissans cars and their marketing in this country...you have your view on the Z as i have mine...you can say it was developed for one reason and ill say it was developed for another...both of our points have merit...but neither is wrong...im not gonna argue with someone on zilvia over cars...especially in a thread thats meant to be about a brand new replacement for our rolling shit boxes

[drift freaq]

ive driven a 350Z before...quite a few times actually...and yes...its a nice car...very solid and it will be a great base for the new silvia as we missed an entire generation of nissan sportscars in america...i mean...no S15...that was a marvel that was COMPLETELY missed (and painfully missed)...but i wouldnt call it a true sports car...to me its a luxury sports car...and im not gonna argue why any more

u can argue ur points all u want with me...i know my shit when it comes to nissans cars and their marketing in this country...you have your view on the Z as i have mine...you can say it was developed for one reason and ill say it was developed for another...both of our points have merit...but neither is wrong...im not gonna argue with someone on zilvia over cars...especially in a thread thats meant to be about a brand new replacement for our rolling shit boxes

You are correct, we are entitled to our opinions. Though I suggest you attempt, if not use, proper English and punctuation, if you want your points taken seriously. This is not a dis, but I am trying to help you come across more intelligently in your debates. People will feel you speak from the knowledge you have and respect your posts more.

P.S. you can't know that much about Nissans marketing in this country your only 26 years old. You were not even alive when they marketed the 240z or the 510. Ya I am a old fart I was alive and I have been into Nissans since 1978.

[Antihero983]

um dorkidori....you forgot to add the altima SE-R to your performance list....

[HyperTek]

Renault power!!

would be interesting.. Renault has a background in racing, more so then nissan so i wouldnt mind looking forward to it. They just dont have any cool production cars, and to the american mind, we think of economy european small cars.

Anyone remember that bad ass Renault F1 inspired van a few years back?
Renault Escape f1
http://www.carstyling.ru/resources/concept/94renault_espace_f1_11.jpg
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eaW_35KPDBY

[dorkidori_s13]

um dorkidori....you forgot to add the altima SE-R to your performance list....


that model is no longer offered

the SE-R basically became the altima coupe

[dorkidori_s13]

u know...i had a comment here...but now its gone cause i dont feel like saying ne thing negative today


kthxbai

[onehundredoctane]

sounds interesting, but if it is put into prodcution, i'm sure the U.S. won't see it till after every other country gets theirs.

Not sure about the Renault power, but whatever works for Nissan.

[EDacIouSX]

I wouldn't want a new s16... it'll be the new friggin Scion TC............... ok maybe not THAT BAD

[muddafakka]

Whatever.

It's a pipedream until I see it at a Nissan dealership here.

Word to ya motha.

[HyperTek]

Renault is the business!!

Alot of you guys dont even know who Renault is..
A lil history- they have had more success than BMW in F1, and alot of championships under their belt. They would probably be within the top 5 f1 teams of all time under ferrari and mclaren. THey where the first to introduce Turbo to a F1 car in the 70's.
They just dont have any sweet production cars.

Id think they know their engines.

For real hopefully they will spit some F1 influence on future nissan projects..

[dorkidori_s13]

surprisingly...no one has mentioned this little gem made by renault in the early 2000s...

http://motor.tuportada.com/img/wp/renault-clio-v6-13.jpg

http://vne-resource.iol.co.za/30/picdb/article1/7/d/46244

it was called the Renault Clio V6 Sport...it was a MR RWD engine setup...made 250ish HP...weighed in around 3000lbs...kicked ASS in WRC the years it ran...and handled like a fukin champ

even if nissan did use a renault engine in the new S chassis...especially a renault turbo engine...it wouldnt be ANY SORT of let down...renualt has been around for a long time...they know how to engineer a turbo motor (dont forget that a TON of cars in europe come turbo...unlike america)...their motorsports history is lengthy and full of GOOD reports (like the ones made above by hypertek)...so dont knock it before you try it

[BC S14]

well, lets see the nismo version-PHOTOCHOP!!they should do like ferrari and make sure you own two s-cars already. and then be invited to buy one. then i would'nt get mad the next time i see a Z with chrome 22's and a 16yo driving it.

[DaPCWiz]

Looks promised. I just really really hope that they don't follow the design cues that the new nissans have started to follow. i.e. - new infiniti fx, nissan murano, maxima, sentra/SE-R are all really ugly. wtf happened. All of those cars' previous gens actually looked good.

I hope the new silvia doesn't follow the "shark fin" styling of the new maxima. its fugly.

[StaticX27]

so nissan has a HUGE problem right now...they have a MAJOR gap in their performance aimed line up that appeals to not only YOUNG enthusiasts...but enthusiasts all together...lets face it...the G35 and 350z are a luxury sports car...and the GTR is WAY out of most peoples budget

One thing a lot of people fail to realize is that auto enthusiasts are a small percentage of the population. These guys are in business to make money. What's going to make them more of that money in our current market: Selling a 35mpg sedan, or designing a performance based car that will sell to a population infested with underpaid kids? Lets face it, out of the 50k users on this board, who are pretty die hard Nissan fans, who will actually go out and buy one of these?

Take a look at several manufacturers now. What real sport compacts are there right now? 350Z, RX8, what else is really out there that was designed as a sport compact? Manufacturers are realizing more and more that the enthusiast market is a minority when compared to those that are gas minded right now in this economy. Why design a car that appeals to only 1% of the population when you can design a car that everyone will jump on like a white woman in Watts?

[exitspeed]

Take a look at several manufacturers now. What real sport compacts are there right now? 350Z, RX8, what else is really out there that was designed as a sport compact?

Saturn Sky, Pontiac Solstice, Mazda Miata, BMW 1 Series, Genesis Coupe...


Manufacturers are realizing more and more that the enthusiast market is a minority when compared to those that are gas minded right now in this economy. Why design a car that appeals to only 1% of the population when you can design a car that everyone will jump on like a white woman in Watts?

It's called the niche market. Niche vehicles are important to brands. They might not always make money, but they are good image cars. There are almost a handful of new RWD coupes coming out in the next few years also. They will all more then likely be pretty good on gas too.

[StaticX27]

Thanks, I knew I was forgetting a few cars :P

Niches are one thing, but it seems to me like the release of a car in that niche has to at least pay for itself, and with the economy being as jacked as it is right now, I don't see a lot of people running out there throwing their money at a dealership to get a new Silvia.

From what I've heard regarding it though, it's supposed to be a v6-t, not an i4-t :P

[exitspeed]

Thanks, I knew I was forgetting a few cars :P

Niches are one thing, but it seems to me like the release of a car in that niche has to at least pay for itself, and with the economy being as jacked as it is right now, I don't see a lot of people running out there throwing their money at a dealership to get a new Silvia.

From what I've heard regarding it though, it's supposed to be a v6-t, not an i4-t :P

Well think about it. It would be relatively cheap for Nissan to build. All it needs is a modified 350Z chassis and then two engine choices. They can use any number of engines, the MR20, the 2.5, and maybe even the VQ for a Nismo version or something. What I'm saying is they can easily use all off the shell parts (like they've always done) and make the car a niche vehicle and make a profit. Even if they only sell 20,000 units/ year they'd be ok.

[180sx-sweeet]

we might get it... might not! who knows, like they said its only a pipedream for now. HOWEVER if it does come here watch it NOT have a "real" transmission like the GT-R.... :down: man i was so upset when i found out the GT-R only came "auto"... the shame

[dorkidori_s13]

we might get it... might not! who knows, like they said its only a pipedream for now. HOWEVER if it does come here watch it NOT have a "real" transmission like the GT-R.... :down: man i was so upset when i found out the GT-R only came "auto"... the shame

its a marketing ploy...nissan has 6 speeds ready...theres pictures floating around the web and even actual reports by LEGITIMATE magazines that have sat in the 6 speed model

nissan wants to appeal to ALL customers before it appeals to the manual tranny cusomters only...easy as that (though theyre saying they cant get the manual to pass emissions is the real excuse...BULLSHIT...they just know that the auto tranny will sell before the manual will...so dont believe a goddamn word of that emissions excuse)

[Mycah Leonhart]

Funny how dude says the S Chassis is dead and gone and Nissan closed the door on it but yet we still have the Z33 and the R35 in our faces.......

I don't see any reason in the world we wouldn't get an S16.

[drift freaq]

Funny how dude says the S Chassis is dead and gone and Nissan closed the door on it but yet we still have the Z33 and the R35 in our faces.......

I don't see any reason in the world we wouldn't get an S16.

Thanks for calling me Dude(NOT), The Z33 is called a Z33 because its a Fairlady one of Nissans major moniker cars. The actually chassis designation is not related to previous versions aka the original S30 or even the Z32. Again the GTR is being called a R35(Again a moniker and a Halo car) but the Skylines were never called R chassis's nor were the GTR's they were E and B Chassis's. Silvia come back yes, come back being called a S16 as being based on a S chassis no, they no longer make S chassis's. Like I stated before. It would be based on a shortened Z chassis as thats the sports car chassis platform Nissan has a factory for now.
Now if you can not make a decent arguement based on facts please do not call me dude or try to argue stuff I post. Your statement above is mere observation with no fact.

[PS13Hotness]

I can't see it being made. The market is too niche, and full of kids with no credit and no money. Nissan already has the GTR and Z car out, so there is little need for another "heritage" model to be released.

If it was a turbo 4-cyl. and it looked decent with a manual gearbox. I would purchase one. It would probably replace my M3, but it'd need to have good power. That's if it's ever made.

The Japanese mags are always putting out renditions of "new" cars. However if you think back, they did it with the Z car, and the GTR. Perhaps Nissan is trying to find out how deep the market is, and cash in on the financing of high risk borrowers using their parents as collateral.

[SimpleS14]

I can see this car being made in Japan first and if there is enough demand...it can be imported stateside. I'm not going to lie though, if this car does come over here I won't buy it. I'm getting older and I need a car with more room and pimp factor haha With that said I much rather get a M35/45 or G8 GXP.

I also can see the MR20DE-T powertrain being used in this car.

its a marketing ploy...nissan has 6 speeds ready...theres pictures floating around the web and even actual reports by LEGITIMATE magazines that have sat in the 6 speed model

nissan wants to appeal to ALL customers before it appeals to the manual tranny cusomters only...easy as that (though theyre saying they cant get the manual to pass emissions is the real excuse...BULLSHIT...they just know that the auto tranny will sell before the manual will...so dont believe a goddamn word of that emissions excuse)

You have to tell me your sources or show me said pictures before I can believe this.

[exitspeed]

I can't see it being made. The market is too niche, and full of kids with no credit and no money. Nissan already has the GTR and Z car out, so there is little need for another "heritage" model to be released.

If it was a turbo 4-cyl. and it looked decent with a manual gearbox. I would purchase one. It would probably replace my M3, but it'd need to have good power. That's if it's ever made.

The Japanese mags are always putting out renditions of "new" cars. However if you think back, they did it with the Z car, and the GTR. Perhaps Nissan is trying to find out how deep the market is, and cash in on the financing of high risk borrowers using their parents as collateral.

You must not be paying attention to the emerging RWD segment...

The auto industry is about follow the leader. The leader right now is BMW and Hyundai in this segment. Hyundai is the clean leader IMO. It's 100% confirmed that Toyota and Suby are both making a car in this segment. To think that Nissan is not reading a competitor is ridiculous. :)

This has all ben discussed in detail in this thread.
#/f/showthread.php?t=127041&highlight=rwd+coupe

[infinitexsound]

I've a few things to say to that. #1 doesn't anyone realize what a HUGE impact this would have on us s13/s14 drivers??? this means 100% legal, usdm engine swaps, nissan is probably going to have an i4-t powertrain and sicne there's no reason to make a new engine weaker then the s15 sr20,and its probably going to put out 260-275hp, the new z will have 330 and the gtr will have 480, its seems perfectly proportional. yes they may be a little expensive, but in a few years after they realease it they will be afordable and legal for s-chasis swaps, F*CKING genious!!
#2, I doubt it will actually make it, simply because of the cost range. only way it would make it is if 370z's start at mid-high 30's (instead of 19-49 range of today's 350) and I don't see that happening. z sales would drop hard if for a few g's less you could get a turbo'd s16. and #3, drift freak, do a little more "modern" research of renault engines, yes, they may have a great history, but they're new stuff is just simply SH*T my mom's altima had to have its engine COMPLETELY replaced because of the stupid QR25. they have WAY too many problems. rings went bad and ate up oil like buble gum, I have a picture proving one of the most recent recalls, the air filter literaly igniting into flames because of a cigarete butt and a little wind, ecu's randomely turn off the car out of the blue.

have you ever watch'd the movie The Big Lebowski starring Jeff Bridges..

theres a quote in that movie "Donnie your out of your fucken element!"

cool quote... watch the movie... its great...

its about time.. Build it they will come... for those who not know renault was the first to engineer the pneumatic valve system... and i think they are working on a camless engine also... so i think they can build an engine or 2 or atleast engineer one...a good one.. i dont care what engine or chassis they use... as long as its rwd and turbo... or use a Z chassis to cut cost, great it cuts my spending...the more interchangeable parts will be from high end related cars the better.. its not like they havent been doing that already since the 70's...
around 20'k highly unlikely im pretty sure it'll be 25 ish...
who cares make it rwd and turbo... no glass roofs... and no paddle shifting.. please......

[LS240]

no...im not...look at the Z compared to the GTR and Silvia...its marketed tword people who want a "sports car" that isnt actually a balls out sports car...its geared tword the people who buy SC430s

No it's not. Not at all. Nissan stated that the 350Z was to be an inexpensive sports car, aimed at the Porsche Boxster's performance and handling, way back when it was still in development. You may think the that the 350Z is a "luxury sports car", but Nissan doesn't agree with you, nor do they market it as such. I could sit here and say all I want that the Mitsubishi Evo is marketed towards BMW 7 series/Mercedes S Class buyers, but that wouldn't make me right.

I hope the new silvia doesn't follow the "shark fin" styling of the new maxima. its fugly.

I thought those were really ugly too, but then I saw one in person and somehow the look just "works". Now I think they're quite handsome, just not in pictures lol.

we might get it... might not! who knows, like they said its only a pipedream for now. HOWEVER if it does come here watch it NOT have a "real" transmission like the GT-R.... :down: man i was so upset when i found out the GT-R only came "auto"... the shame

Bah, it's not really an "automatic". I can understand wanting a true manual too, as I absolutely love rowing gears myself, however; the twin clutch sequential tranny in the GT-R is quite simply faster than any manual tranny ever could be, period. And that was Nissan's purpose, to make the GT-R absolutely crushingly fast through the use of technology. And in more than one magazine review of the car, the reviewer cited the transmission as being the most astounding and impressive part of the entire car, more so than the engine, chassis, or even terrific ATTESA system. Like it or not, that gearbox is an integral part of the car's performance.

Saturn Sky, Pontiac Solstice, Mazda Miata, BMW 1 Series, Genesis Coupe...

And the Evo, STi, Mazdaspeed 3, etc.

surprisingly...no one has mentioned this little gem made by renault in the early 2000s...

http://motor.tuportada.com/img/wp/renault-clio-v6-13.jpg

http://vne-resource.iol.co.za/30/picdb/article1/7/d/46244

it was called the Renault Clio V6 Sport...it was a MR RWD engine setup...made 250ish HP...weighed in around 3000lbs...kicked ASS in WRC the years it ran...and handled like a fukin champ

Those are great cars indeed, but the V6 Sport Clio was never campaigned in rally racing seriously. And while they had tons of grip, they were quite infamous for being absolutely devilishly twitchy at the limit.

I forgot to quote the post, but Drift Freaq, the Renault 5 Turbos aren't, and never were, AWD, they were RWD.

[exitspeed]

And the Evo, STi, Mazdaspeed 3, etc.



Those are not int he same segment. I was referring to the emerging RWD Coupe segment.

[frosti108]

i would love to see a new rwd nissan to take after the 240sx. all i ask is for it to be on the cheap side, light weight, and SIMPLE. no indash computers, a real manual trans, a quality abile chassis like the s series has been, and ofcourse a simply decent small engine with potential to hold power.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Bah, it's not really an "automatic". I can understand wanting a true manual too, as I absolutely love rowing gears myself, however; the twin clutch sequential tranny in the GT-R is quite simply faster than any manual tranny ever could be, period. And that was Nissan's purpose, to make the GT-R absolutely crushingly fast through the use of technology. And in more than one magazine review of the car, the reviewer cited the transmission as being the most astounding and impressive part of the entire car, more so than the engine, chassis, or even terrific ATTESA system. Like it or not, that gearbox is an integral part of the car's performance.



There was a segment on Best motoring where Tsuchiya test drove the R35 GTR on Tsukuba. His first remarks were how impressive the car shifts. :rawk:

[infinitexsound]

electric solenoid's, work faster then the human hands(mechanical reaction)...
reason why f1 will develop cam less engines... whats the shifting time? in the mili sec? i forgot... but fuck it its fast... i still love a shift lever tho...lets see some fan rendering of the new car...

[s14_legend]

F1 technology on our cars...heck yess

Renault is the business!!

Alot of you guys dont even know who Renault is..
A lil history- they have had more success than BMW in F1, and alot of championships under their belt. They would probably be within the top 5 f1 teams of all time under ferrari and mclaren. THey where the first to introduce Turbo to a F1 car in the 70's.
They just dont have any sweet production cars.

Id think they know their engines.

For real hopefully they will spit some F1 influence on future nissan projects..

[180sx-sweeet]

i'd like to know who the wonderfull person is who left me neg rep for giving my opinion... last time i checked we have freedom of speech. not to mention an opinion is just that... AN OPINION... its how i feel, but seeing from the comment you left me neg rep in, you either have insecurity issue or you have an anger issue.. either way its something you should have looked at...

"05-05-2008 04:39 PM have you driven a GT-R and found the 'automatic' dissapointing and lacking? no? ohh I thought so. Maybe if you understood the black magic that nissan put into that 'auto' you wouldn't say shit."

its a shame there will always be negative ppl like this in the world...

[exitspeed]

^
It's a shame you decided to turn a thread that isn't about you neg rep into one.

Please discuss further 240 info in the proper thread in OT.