SR20DE or VE?

[mechavore884]

I had heard abou tthe SR20 VE? the other day and was wondering if it was worth considering over the SR20DET (second gen blaktop?) any opinions?

[mechavore884]

LOL.....anybody?!?!?!?

[nissolet]

its v-tech. for nissan.

[mechavore884]

soo uhhh....stick with the DET hmmm do u know where I could find a VE?

[nissan240sxkid]

its not a motor stocked by most places ..u might have to call an engine source and ask them to get you one... I think its easier to play with regular de than the ve

[mechavore884]

I hear roughly that most ppl recommend the VE for the naturally aspirated route? is that a bunch of sh!t

[dorkidori_s13]

if you want a VE motor...just get a S14 or S15 SR...they were the first nissan motors to use VVL...S14/S15 notchtops use a VVL intake cam to help with low and power to help battle turbo lag...the N/A versions just used the VVL cam to add a bit of umph to the torque range/power band

there is no actual RWD configuration for the SR20ve motor

[Ca_laurier]

really its just the cams i believe that are better in the head, well and a bit different in the flow of the head lol. for the price alone for find a VE head (the vvl model) your better off just ordering some tomei cams with like a 256 lift and slapping those bad boys in there

[dorkidori_s13]

I hear roughly that most ppl recommend the VE for the naturally aspirated route? is that a bunch of sh!t


for the FWD guys...the VE motors are pretty decent...they dont yield the same horesepower turnarounds that the DET motors do...but they can make a good amount of power (last time i checked...some guys were pullin 250-275 to the wheels all motor)

[Koopa Troopa]

I've been wanting to build a N/A SR using DET block, 20VE head, 16VE cams, 20DE pistons and rods and some carbs...

Would be a badass N/A set up. However unless you do some racing where raw power doesn't really mean shit then it's a waste of time.


UH the VE heads are more than just another VVL design.. They're full blown VTEC and come from the factory with solid lifters... SR16VE cam profile is 240 low/ 290 high...

[mechavore884]

i guess in that case its a done deal? anyone know of any lifts in NOVA? most places around here are ran by HONDAs :(

[Ca_laurier]

well to get a good NA motor for the price to find anything why not just run a rwd sr20de

but than again there is the whole fight over why the hell you would do it, for the power you would make for the cost you could have one hell of a sr20det. for ITB's alone on a NA setup your looking at $2500

i think everyone has wanted to build a NA rwd set up at some point, but really the question of "is it worth it" really stumps people

like i said before, to find the actual head and make i work on a rwd block your looking at more than just slapping it on

[mechavore884]

lol thats what I was afraid of....cuz I've read too many articles of big name ppl trying to create N/A sr20's and failing?....imm aprolly stick with the second gen blacktop (prolly an external wastegate also)

[Ca_laurier]

its true, most guys won't get over 300 to the wheels on an na motor

the only real NA rwd motor i want is the autech s15 motor, just cause i love high compression NA motors

[PoorMans180SX]

^^^hahahaha. 300whp NA on a DE? yeah right.

Check out www.sr20forum.com to study up on your VE. There are 2 guys on there that are in the process of building RWD VEs (FWD VE head on RWD DET block). They've been in the process for a while. It's something I've always wanted to do, but not until someone else does, hahaha.

VVL is fully variable valve timing and lift. like iVTEC, not just VTEC. So a turbo VE's power curve is quite superior to a DET's and VE's have the capability to rev higher.

[Sil80Dreams]

My suggestion is to go with the DET and buy the HKS Step 3 Head System and the Step 3 Cams, if it's for a daily driver get some "milder" 256/256 cams but anyway you work it that setup will enable you to rev to 9k...get that and like a GT35R and you will be making mustangs go home on your way to work in the morning lol....I haven't really read anything about the VE so my opinion probably doesn't even matter in this thread lol peace man good luck with your build.

[Koopa Troopa]

My suggestion is to go with the DET and buy the HKS Step 3 Head System and the Step 3 Cams, if it's for a daily driver get some "milder" 256/256 cams but anyway you work it that setup will enable you to rev to 9k...



Not with those cams.

[The Chad]

My buddy put a SR20VE in his NX2000, and recently turbo charged it. Was quick as shit, now kinda ridiculous for such a small car. Compression is a little high for a turbo car, but the VE head flows very well, and JWT can help out with a simple re-map of the ECU. The VE motor stock to DET stock is surprisingly not too far behind in actual race number according to some older track runs on an Autocross course local..but again this was in FWD class. Don't know if this helps? Good luck.

[nissan240sxkid]

I have an s14 de full swap that I was going to give my friend for his ae86...but the ve sounds interesting might try something lol...and the solids with a 35r is sick... Tomei solids with 270s and a 35r

[PoorMans180SX]

Not mine:

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c25/Turbo711/cars/SR20VETS13front.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c25/Turbo711/cars/SR20VETS13firewallclearance.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c25/Turbo711/cars/NissanSR20VES13.jpg

[Yellow4g63]

I have a SR20VE in my daily driver NX2000. I love that motor to death, I plan on doing a RWD SR20+VE+T after I get done with my 240. I have a few other friends with VE's in fwd cars, The highest Revs we have seen is @ 9600rpm on the dyno and 9300ish on the street(Aftermarket valve springs in the head. H22 Crower springs are the same size). We were testing some bigger cams on the motor. I'd rather use a VE head than drop bigger cams in DE, It will drive/idle like a normal car till you hit the VVL cross over points then it's a diffrent ball game.

I bought 2 of them at the same time. 1.6 and 2.0.
http://i137.photobucket.com/albums/q211/Bluerb240/VES5.jpg

[PoorMans180SX]

^^These VE threads bring out all the sr20forum guys, hahaha.

Nice man, can't wait for the build.

[mechavore884]

hahaha yeaaah I heard that....lol also kinda brings out the worst in ppl LOL (this whole rating thing is gay LOL).....

[mechavore884]

i know it may seem stupid....but how much would it be to buy a VE?...any ideaas roughly?

[The Chad]

my bud got his for $1900 back in 2001.

[Yellow4g63]

I paid $1250 for the 2.0 motor and $1150 for the 1.6 motor. Then it was $300 to ship it from FL. Sometimes people sell the heads and front cover for $800ish with the 2.0 cams in there.

[HaLo]

My friend paid 800$ cdn for a VE motorset without ECU... It's running great in his B15 sentra...

[mechavore884]

this idea is gonna seem weird but do u think I'd be able to use a VE head on a DE base?!?

[HaLo]

it has been done in the past...

[mechavore884]

is it something worth putting time into?

[Ca_laurier]

like i have said, no

^^^hahahaha. 300whp NA on a DE? yeah right.



i am talking about done to the tits full race NA Motor. No one will actually put money into a sr20de here but there are some NA sr's in japan that pop up for sale that would be around or shy of that range

[Ca_laurier]

here just found this in my photo's

lol making a VE head work is not easy, the manifold alone is not worth it

http://i37.photobucket.com/albums/e69/lorenz000/sr01.jpg

[SexPanda]

the s14 SR20DET has VVL, and you can get the motorset for under 3 grand. Thats what I'd do...

[PoorMans180SX]

SexPanda:Ummmm, NO. It has VTC, which is quite different from VVL.
Ca_laurier: That white S14 now has ITB's. And you've got to be joking if you think a DE would ever make 300whp. EVER. F20/22C engines struggle to make 300whp NA and they're designed for top end horsepower.

OP: You'll have to decide if it's worth it for yourself. There are so many swap options now.

There are dyno graphs of 2.2liter VE's making 272whp that I have seen with my own eyes. I think a 2.0 250whp NA motor in our cars would be possible and feel great with VVL.

But, you're going to have to convert to coil packs and a CAS, so wiring and engine management are going to be the main challenge.

[ms!3]

itbs now

http://img145.imageshack.us/img145/8884/itbvexu0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

surprised this thread is still open. http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=147591&highlight=sr20vet

[mechavore884]

wait isn't the VE FW....?

[Koopa Troopa]

And you've got to be joking if you think a DE would ever make 300whp. EVER. F20/22C engines struggle to make 300whp NA and they're designed for top end horsepower.


Uh, guess the jokes over then cause I've seen some 300 P/S N/A SR's used for Tsukuba Circuit. Carb'd and everything.

[Yellow4g63]

Maybe 300ps to the flywheel. Got any evidence of these magical DE's?

[McRussellPants]

And now its time for the legend of N2 to surface.

[Koopa Troopa]

Maybe 300ps to the flywheel. Got any evidence of these magical DE's?

Not off the top of my head but I'd have to dig through some N2 set ups to find it....

DE's arn't as worthless as you might think bro.

[Yellow4g63]

Not off the top of my head but I'd have to dig through some N2 set ups to find it....

DE's arn't as worthless as you might think bro.


Don't get me wrong I use to love the hell out of the DE. My 1st SR20 was a 92 SE-R and I loved the DE. Going from DE to VE gives me a different view on things. DE+T's were fun too made 319hp on my friends at 13psi :) motor ran very strong on Cali pee water and Emange blue back in the day. After driving my VE around I just can't go back to a DE.