GTR what ? ZR1

[Unholy S14]

Give me this

2009 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1 unveiled

After years of speculation, spy photos, and rumors, General Motors has finally revealed its 2009 Chevrolet Corvette ZR1, which will be on display at the Detroit auto show in January. As expected, the ZR1 is the most powerful and most expensive Corvette model ever.


An all-new LS9 motor produces 620 horsepower at 6500 rpm and 595 pound-feet of torque at 4000 rpm. Delivering 100 horsepower per liter, the supercharged 6.2-liter V8 is mated to a close-ratio six-speed manual gearbox with a new high-capacity clutch designed for the increased power. The twin-disc 260mm design provides plenty of clamping power, while maintaining a relatively easy clutch action.

GM has not disclosed specific performance numbers, but the company admits a top speed of 200 mph is very likely. In terms of acceleration, the ZR1 will most definitely beat its Z06 counterpart, thanks to a 115-horsepower output advantage. Since the Z06 rockets to 60 mph in just 3.6 seconds, it's a safe bet the ZR1 will be much closer to the 3.0 mark. Final numbers will be announced in March 2008.

"It all boils down to the power-to-weight ratio and the ZR1’s is exceptional," said Chevy's Ed Peper. "Better than the Porsche 911 GT2, the Ferrari 599 and even the Lamborghini LP640. In fact, the ZR1 is expected to be the first production Corvette to achieve a top speed of at least 200 mph."

GM used the Z06 chassis as a starting point, but further tuned the front and rear independent suspension to work with the ZR1's ultra-wide tires for increased grip. According to GM, the car achieves 1g cornering grip.

Exotic looks, exotic materials

The use of carbon fiber is pretty extensive throughout the ZR1. The wider fenders are made of the material, as are the hood, roof panel, roof bow, front fascia splitter and rocker moldings.

The roof and front fascia splitter have a raw carbon fiber appearance with a protective clear coat. The hood is painted like the rest of the car, but the underside is exposed carbon-fiber-weave for increased novelty.

Another standout feature of the hood is a clear polycarbonate "window" that provides a view of the top of the engine’s intercooler, with embossed "LS9 Supercharged" lettering.

Brakes, tires, and wheels

The ZR1 has the largest wheels ever of any production Corvette — not just in diameter, but in width also. The rims measure 20 inches in rear diameter and 19 inches up front. Rear width is a whopping 12 inches, while the front wheels are nearly as massive at 10 inches of width.

In terms of wheel finish, a bright silver paint coat is standard and a chrome version is optional.

The matching Michelin Pilot Sport 2 tires measure P285/30ZR19 in front and P335/25ZR20 in the rear. While Michelin's PS2 tires are offered on many vehicles, these were engineered specifically for the ZR1, GM says.

The car's braking system features carbon-ceramic rotors measuring 15.5 inches up front and 15 inches at the rear. GM says the rotors are so durable they should not requiring replacement for the life of the vehicle.

Squeezing the dics are six-piston front calipers and four-piston rear calipers, painted in ZR1-exclusive blue.

Adjustable suspension

The ZR1 comes with GM's Magnetic Selective Ride Control (MSRC) suspension system. The MSRC shocks are automatically adjusted based on driving conditions and vehicle dynamics (cornering, braking, etc) for optimal handling. The system is adjusted every milisecond to provide sharp handling during spirited driving, and a smooth ride while cruising.

While the ZR1 is overall a more aggressive sports car than the Z06, it is actually less harsh over bumps, thanks to the MSRC technology. “The damping control of MSRC allowed for front and rear springs that have a slightly lower rate than the Z06, which enhances the car’s ride quality,” said Tadge Juechter, Corvette chief engineer.

Optional premium interior features

There is very little optional equipment on the ZR1. Aside from the aforementioned chrome wheels, the only other optional equipment is a premium interior package. The kit includes power-adjustable leather-trimmed sport seats, leather-wrapped interior elements (including the dashboard), a navigation system, and Bluetooth connectivity. The interior leather treatments are available in four colors.

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[S13Boosts]

pretty nice!

[adrians_s13]

holy shit!

damn, Corvette's really trying to aim for supercar/ exotic status, rather than your average sports

[jackjack]

damn....... looks good.

[Unholy S14]

holy shit!

damn, Corvette's really trying to aim for supercar/ exotic status, rather than your average sports

actually they are after the GTR with the ZR1 :)

[muddafakka]

Goddamn that thing looks good.

[ThatGuy]

Where's the Quad Overhead Cam engine designed by Lotus?

Oh, wait, that was the old ZR1. :keke:

Yet another awesome 'Vette I likely won't own.

[DreamN]

oh mah god.... there's so much win in that car it's giving me such a raging "clue."

[liv2drift045]

Yet another awesome 'Vette I likely won't own.

*sigh* same for me... that shit is hot...

[Peter_North]

Pretty sweet, id rather have a GTR though.

[k's_silvia2.0]

Well this ought to be good.Although that clear scoop on the hood is killing it.
Looks like a solar panel.

[Unholy S14]

more

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/12/x09ch_cr047.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/12/x09ch_cr044.jpg

[muddafakka]

At a time like this, I wish I were filthy rich.

[Phlip]

Oh my God, I am spilling my mother's precious grandchildren all over the floor beneath my desk here.
Lemme get a towel before someone comes home and smells this.

[Yuri]

Wow, is that skull on the intake real?

[muddafakka]

Wow, is that skull on the intake real?

Yep. Comes from this:

http://www.cartype.com/images/page/skull_logo.jpg

[jfc3po]

wow...i don't even like corvettes and that shit is amazing to me....beautiful....

[Nachtmensch]

i like the ricer hood. wasnt that shit popular back in '97? "lexan hoods" or some shit haha


car looks badass. id love to see what time they post for nurburgring.

[azndoc]

WOW.....

That car looks really good.

Ummm..... I'd own both the GTR and ZR1 if I could.

[RedStage]

That spot on the hood looks like it needs a Decepticon sticker, I swear on first look I thought that it had one.....need to go back to sleep I guess.....

Hot looking Vette.

[HWYKING]

wow, nice post Unholy

[status:one]

Car manufacturers are having a pissing contest right now with extremely full bladders... as soon as someone gets ahead, the other guys push harder and higher.

[B18C5MK1]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95SYdjRVCR0

[BustedS13]

FAP FAP FAP. i love corvettes.

[Antihero983]

ah yes, the legendary blue devil

thats was the Vette that GM said for the longest time didnt exist, and the project name for awhile was Blue Devil.

looks hawt.

[kyles1988]

the hood looks a little funky...but whatever the rest is awesome.

[Peter_North]

Pretty sweet, id rather have a GTR though.

lol @ somebody neg repping me for that

[Unholy S14]

or people just hate you ?

[ONYX S-13]

Pretty sweet, id rather have a GTR though.


May I ask why?

http://images.leftlanenews.com/content/december2007/chevrolet-corvette-zr1-40.jpg

^ This car is HARD !

[VROOOM]

how much is it gonna cost?
my guess 125k

[ronmcdon]

actually they are after the GTR with the ZR1 :)

don't know about that. The blue devil concept the ZR-1 was derived from came a few yrs back when chevy mentioned they wanted to build a model to up the ante further with the Z06. It came a lot earlier before the R35 GT-R had proven itself. Regardless, I think the GM is aiming to built an exotic killer for a fraction of the price. Target is prob cars the Zondas, Lambos, Carrera GT's, and Ferraris. Basically same idea as the Z06, just on a larger more expensive scale.
Ppl are going to be a lot more impressed with a 100k or so car outperforming a 3-700k exotic, than a cheaper $70k nissan supercar.

I'm thankful for companies like GM and Nissan building stuff like this to push the hi-po value market. This 'pissing contest' can only be beneficial to all. As for this ZR-1, I'm optimistic it'll be good. I can't wait for the mag road tests to come in.

On a side note, why are domestic manufacturers so fixated with supercharging? Seems like everyone else has moved on to turbos.

[exitspeed]

I can't wait til Detroit!

Words can't describe how ill this car is.

[Subzeroqc]

oh mah god.... there's so much win in that car it's giving me such a raging "clue."
haha, awesome family guy reference.

This thing is sex on wheels. Will it hold up to the GT-R's time tho? The Z06 sure as hell didn't let down with track performance, hopping this one will help put the bar even higher for the V spec version of the GT-R debuting in '09.

[atom]

On a side note, why are domestic manufacturers so fixated with supercharging? Seems like everyone else has moved on to turbos.

Probably partly for the same reason they still use pushrod V8's, they've done it so long and they're pretty damn good at it.

Nice car no doubt but not feeling the body mods though. The Z06 is damn near perfect, so smooth and sleek. All the little extra bulges and vents aren't doin it for me.

[LongGrain]

oh mah god.... there's so much win in that car it's giving me such a raging "clue."

werd, that car is dripping win.

[kuramaya]

Damn if I was over 40 I would rock it!

[916S14]

wow that this is sexy looking. I"m not a fan of corvettes but this thing made me a believer. Is there a price tag for it yet? i didnt wanna read through the whole post, i'm lazy.

[20 til 3]

i have one thing to say...

GTR nismo, evo-spec

[millworkman]

how much is it gonna cost?
my guess 125k


I say 96K. Why not?

[muddafakka]

I heard it's gonna cost over 100 grand but don't quote me on that.

[silviaguy240]

haha, awesome family guy reference.

This thing is sex on wheels. Will it hold up to the GT-R's time tho? The Z06 sure as hell didn't let down with track performance, hopping this one will help put the bar even higher for the V spec version of the GT-R debuting in '09.

southpark actually. and im guessing only 105-110k. and i think its also competing with the new 600hp viper mostly because its at 620hp. but its also DOHC rather than the SOHC pushrod chevy is o so famous for.

[DreamN]

I highly doubt GM will let this go over 100k. MSRP will more than likely be high 80s to mid 90s in my opinion.

[silviaguy240]

it will tip over 100k probably because Z06's msrp in the low 70's and usually sell for high 70's low 80's sometime because of the demand. and something this radical and with 115hp over the Z06 i doubt the price will only go up 10k

[Farzam]

I'd get fucked in the ass for 5 minutes for it and like a free gas/tires/maintenance credit card.

[JoeC1982]

how much is it gonna cost?
my guess 125k
too much for anything coming from GM imo, and its sucks it has 20x12's with no lip...

[muddafakka]

There were talks of the Corvette being a brand of its own. Dunno what happened with that...

[SimpleS14]

The skull on the intake is a nice touch...but I can't get over that plexiglass bit on the hood.

I also see no need to compare this to the GT-R....two completely different cars.

[SexPanda]

i dont like it. Whats that make me? The .1 percentile? I mean, its not because i will never afford it, and its not because its not a nissan, seriously. I just dont like it. I think its ugly, and probably not worth the extra money.

[Unholy S14]

don't know about that. The blue devil concept the ZR-1 was derived from came a few yrs back when chevy mentioned they wanted to build a model to up the ante further with the Z06.


I know :)

im saying it will be going after it now

[Peter_North]

May I ask why?





Probably because its made by GM, and its ugly.

[GabeS14]

UNHOLY...
you need to stop posting cool stuff!
stop posting pics of badass cars...lol j/k
Nice.

[DreamN]

it will tip over 100k probably because Z06's msrp in the low 70's and usually sell for high 70's low 80's sometime because of the demand. and something this radical and with 115hp over the Z06 i doubt the price will only go up 10k

Whatever the dealer marks up is irrelevant to the actual MSRP. I don't doubt for a second that dealers will mark it up well passed 100k if they see a demand for this car, just as Nissan Dealers will more than likely do for the GT-R. I just highly doubt the MSRP will go passed the 100k mark or even the 93k mark.

[2slow2go]

i rather rock a gtr.. cuz i represent the asians

[WILDACEX187]

performance on the car is awesome. body styling though is another story

[Matej]

It looks like the previous model but with ricey fenders and an ugly hood ornament, plus it was supposed to have over 650 hp and now it has 620, and they bumped the price to over 100K$ (true story). With that cost they can't beat the GT-R at bang for the buck, but they're two completely different cars anyway, I don't see why everyone keeps putting them side by side. Performance-wise it sounds great, it seems like GM decided to tap into the exotics price range and market, no more poor man's supercar.

[DreamN]

^ what's your source?

[SW20Racer]

too much for anything coming from GM imo, and its sucks it has 20x12's with no lip...

lip whore. the wheels fit really well for factory shit. put some 10-20mm spacers, some coilovers so you can dump that shit to the pavement and call it a day. there is no need to bump hp so why fux with it? it's safe to say if 100 people buy this car MAYBE two will modify it beyond an air freshener

[Matej]

^ what's your source?
I read about it on Autoblog and Jalopnik earlier, and it's all over the local forums filled with muscle and Chevy heads and all their GM insider info.

[DreamN]

Then your sources are all expected prices and/or hearsay, nothing for certain. Figure seeing as the ZO6's MSRP starts at $71k another boost in price around $20k for the ZR1 would be just about right and with dealer mark up it'll probably hit $110k.

I just don't see it competing at the $100k price level right off the bat considering that the people who will buy such a car are most likely going to expect Porsche or Aston Martin like interior and we know damn straight that GM has incredibly cheap feeling, plastic-like material even in their luxury lines.

If they do start MSRP in the $100k range this car will not sell as well as GM might hope it will.

[SHIFT_*grind*]

but its also DOHC rather than the SOHC pushrod chevy is o so famous for.

Really? I didn't see that in the article; where's that info at?

Probably because its made by GM, and its ugly.

For real, an SR swapped S13 hatch-...I mean, fastback looks way better and you could make it faster than this thing. NISSAN >>>>>>>> *

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[SW20Racer]

For real, an SR swapped S13 HATCHBAAAAAACK looks way better and you could make it faster than this thing. NISSAN >>>>>>>> *

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you know you wanted to. just do it.

[SHIFT_*grind*]

I was going for subtlety ;)

[Antihero983]

haha, awesome family guy reference.



actually thats a south park reference. the episode with the Hardly Boys.

[murda-c]

southpark actually. and im guessing only 105-110k. and i think its also competing with the new 600hp viper mostly because its at 620hp. but its also DOHC rather than the SOHC pushrod chevy is o so famous for.

Those SOHC pushrods are pretty fuckin radtacular

[Peter_North]

Really? I didn't see that in the article; where's that info at?



For real, an SR swapped S13 hatch-...I mean, fastback looks way better and you could make it faster than this thing. NISSAN >>>>>>>> *

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I dont believe I said that

[SHIFT_*grind*]

Not verbatim, no. =P

[silviaguy240]

Really? I didn't see that in the article; where's that info at?

i read it light years ago in car and driver or motor trend. when info about this car first started leaking. maybe they never went with it, but that was one of the certain things they knew about the LS9 motor back was that it was going to be DOHC and not SOHC.

[02BRB20]

I forsee an increase in skull GM flag tatoos in the future.

[murda-c]

i read it light years ago in car and driver or motor trend. when info about this car first started leaking. maybe they never went with it, but that was one of the certain things they knew about the LS9 motor back was that it was going to be DOHC and not SOHC.


i really don't think any of the LSx motors are ohc...

[IIIXziuR]

OMG I love The C6 and now this ZR1 Edition made them even better.
The styling and presentation is like an American Super Car built by Chevy.
Wow Just Wow.
I would be happy with just a standard spec C6, a ZR1 would be like
10 dreams come true hahaha

Good Work Unholy!

[JoeC1982]

lip whore. the wheels fit really well for factory shit. put some 10-20mm spacers, some coilovers so you can dump that shit to the pavement and call it a day. there is no need to bump hp so why fux with it? it's safe to say if 100 people buy this car MAYBE two will modify it beyond an air freshener

no lip because the brakes are HUGE, quit be a wheel whore ricer... lips dont = baller performance .. go buy a 930.. thats a car with lip, if you can afford it dumbass

i'm assuming you left this, i'm not a wheel whore ricer, in fact my wheels have no lip and i'm quite happy with them. They weren't cheap either, your comments are way off base.

[Unholy S14]

Probably because its made by GM, and its ugly.

you are a complete idiot.

People like you make real 240 owners look like idiots. Go buy yourself a new nissan so then i can say you drive a french car.

[HaLo]

Beautiful machine... I'd rock it so much more than other cars... Wow... Very Wow!

[axiomatik]

wow, car looks awesome. yeah, the window in the hood is a little hokey, but overall, the car is badass.

...and we know damn straight that GM has incredibly cheap feeling, plastic-like material even in their luxury lines.

If they do start MSRP in the $100k range this car will not sell as well as GM might hope it will.

care to join us in 2007? that's not true anymore.

[civilized_drifter]

actually thats a south park reference. the episode with the Hardly Boys.


http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/9945/1009hardlyboysinvestigadp0.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

i had such a raging clue i spilled clue goo all over. hahahaha

back on topic i want the vette
i want to see the 0-60
and track times

[Peter_North]

care to join us in 2007? that's not true anymore.

Yea it is :ugh:

[muddafakka]

I think the interior looks pretty damn good.

C5 Z06
http://www.supercars.net/carpics/354/2001_Chevrolet_CorvetteZ066.jpg
C6 Z06
http://www.supercars.net/carpics/3075/2006_Chevrolet_CorvetteZ0613.jpg
ZR1
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[IIIXziuR]

Yeah the interior has come a long way thats for sure.
'vettes never really had interiors that complimented the rest of the car, now I think the interiors are top-notch. Everything looks very well put together

[Subzeroqc]

actually thats a south park reference. the episode with the Hardly Boys.
Yea, I was previously reminded of that. I keep mixing both up. I love both shows.

Back on topic: I really don't see this as being a successful model for GM. The only reason the Z06 sold so much is for it's bang for buck value. Trying to go in the 100k+ market isn't quite that easy..... Sure the interior is a lot better then it was, but common post up some Audi or Porsche interiors in here and close the damn thread. Plastic plastic plastic.... I don't care if its meant to be a sports car, thats just unacceptable for a 100k+ price tag.

[VROOOM]

they should sell a z06 body with this drivetrain

[PRADOgy]

no matter how much HP a vett has.. its still just a vett to me.. idk.. read this one a while ago.. i think something like going for 80k..

just not my kinda car i guess..

[Anto]

fuckk

hope I get a GTR or one of those next time i work a baller valet event

[vvtisupra]

I hope nissan makes a GTR to combat it. Maybe Nur spec ?

[SW20Racer]

i'm assuming you left this, i'm not a wheel whore ricer, in fact my wheels have no lip and i'm quite happy with them. They weren't cheap either, your comments are way off base.

you got a serious case of foot-in-mouth buuhhhdeeee. i couldnt rep for another 24 hours even if i wanted to (i still cant rep as of the posting of this). and if i did neg rep you, i would leave my name. i always leave my name. what do i care if YOU rep me in any way?

and ill be the first to call myself a "wheel whore" its just a figure of speech. learn to love it. whoever did rep you takes the phrase in a different context. not my fault. if you would like to know who did though, drop $10 bucks and make your name blue. i know i will be next time i can get to the post office, because its going to be intersting when i go to the user cp

edit for clarification: we found out it was ranger240 neg repping his lil heart out and neglecting to leave his namey name

[deadpirate]

dear lord...this thing is amazing

i honestly havent liked american cars for a while..i grew up around old muscle cars and hot rods. this thing is drawing my attention like no other


sigh

i wants it

[Neejay]

I can't wait til Detroit!

Words can't describe how ill this car is.
+1 on that.
Damn if I was over 40 I would rock it!
lol Why over 40?
I'd get fucked in the ass for 5 minutes for it and like a free gas/tires/maintenance credit card.
hahahahahahhahaha

That car is NICE. As exitspeed said, I can't really describe it. I'd love to be able to testdrive/drive one.

[B18C5MK1]

here's an interesting thread on the LS9

http://forums.corvetteforum.com/showthread.php?t=1892397


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GM PRESS RELEASE:

HEIR APPARENT: 2009 CHEVROLET CORVETTE ZR1 RECLAIMS DOMINION AS THE ‘KING OF THE HILL’

New, Supercharged LS9 V-8 is the Heart of a Bedeviling Performance Experience

DETROIT – The rumors are true. The speculation ends. And the UFO sightings on desert highways were not of extraterrestrial craft – but they were of a low-flying object capable of seemingly otherworldly performance.

Chevrolet officially announced the 2009 Corvette ZR1 – an American supercar that not only establishes new benchmarks for production-based power and performance, but challenges global competitors with a world-beating driving experience that also comes with a world-beating price of entry.

“The king has returned,” said Ed Peper, Chevrolet general manager. “The new ZR1 upends the notion of what an American supercar can deliver, with performance that trumps exotics that cost two, three or four times as much – and does so with the driving ease of a daily commuter.”

Dispensing with the formalities and getting right down to business, here are the ZR1’s basic stats:
All-new LS9 supercharged 6.2L V-8 targeted at producing at least 100 horsepower per liter, or 620 horsepower (462 kW), and approximately 595 lb.-ft. of torque (823 Nm)
Six-speed, close-ratio, race-hardened manual transmission
New, high-capacity dual-disc clutch
Higher-capacity and specific-diameter axle half-shafts; enhanced torque tube
Specific suspension tuning provides more than 1g cornering grip
Twenty-spoke 19-inch front and 20-inch rear wheels
Michelin Pilot Sport 2 tires – P285/30ZR19 in front and P335/25ZR20 in the rear – developed specifically for the ZR1
Standard carbon-ceramic, drilled disc brake rotors – 15.5-inch-diameter (394-mm) in the front and 15-inch-diameter (380-mm) in the rear
Larger brake calipers with substantially increased pad area
Standard Magnetic Selective Ride Control with track-level suspension
Wider, carbon-fiber front fenders with ZR1-specific dual vents
Carbon-fiber hood with a raised, polycarbonate window – offering a view of the intercooler below it
Carbon fiber roof panel, roof bow, front fascia splitter and rocker moldings with clear-coated, exposed carbon-fiber weave
ZR1-specific full-width rear spoiler with raised outboard sections
Specific gauge cluster with boost gauge (also displayed on the Head-Up Display) and 220-mph (370 km/h) speedometer readout
Only two options: chrome wheels and a “luxury” package
Curb weight of approximately 3,350 pounds (1,519 kg)
The specialized components of the new ZR1 work harmoniously to deliver the most powerful and fastest automobile ever produced by General Motors. Performance estimates will be announced closer to vehicle’s summer 2008 launch.

“Preliminary testing shows the ZR1 bests the highly respected Corvette Z06 in every performance category, from acceleration and braking, to cornering grip and top speed,” said Peper. “It all boils down to the power-to-weight ratio and the ZR1’s is exceptional – better than the Porsche 911 GT2, the Ferrari 599 and even the Lamborghini LP640. In fact, the ZR1 is expected to be the first production Corvette to achieve a top speed of at least 200 mph.”

Supercharged LS9 engine

The new LS9 6.2L small-block engine is the phenomenal power plant the supports the ZR1’s performance capability. The enabler of the LS9’s phenomenal performance and refinement is a large, positive-displacement Roots-type supercharger with a new, four-lobe rotor design. It is augmented with an integrated charge cooling system that reduces inlet air temperature for maximum performance.

A sixth-generation supercharger developed by Eaton helps the LS9 make big power and torque at lower rpm and carries it in a wide arc to 6,600 rpm, as it pushes enough air to help the engine maintain power through the upper levels of the rpm band – the area where supercharged performance tends to diminish. Heavy-duty and lightweight reciprocating components enable the engine’s confident high-rpm performance.

The LS9 is hand-assembled at GM’s Performance Build Center and incorporates specialty processes typically seen in racing engines to produce a highly refined and precise product. For example, cast iron cylinder liners are inserted in the aluminum block and are finish-bored and honed with a deck plate installed. The deck plate simulates the pressure and minute dimensional variances applied to the block when the cylinder heads are installed, ensuring a higher degree of accuracy that promotes maximum cylinder head sealing, piston ring fit and overall engine performance.

Transmission and axle

The LS9 engine is backed by a new, stronger six-speed manual transmission and a twin-disc clutch that provides exceptional clamping power, while maintaining an easy clutch effort. ZR1-specific gearing in the transmission provides a steep first-gear ratio that helps launch the car and top speed is achieved in sixth gear – a change from the fifth-gear top-speed run-outs in the manual-transmission Corvette and Corvette Z06.

As the term implies, the twin-disc clutch system employs a pair of discs, which spreads out the engine’s torque load over a wider area. This enables tremendous clamping power when the clutch is engaged. It also dissipates heat better and extends the clutch life (in normal driving).

The twin-disc clutch system also contributes to the ZR1’s exceptional driving quality, with smooth and easy shifting. The twin-disc system’s design enables a 25-percent reduction in inertia, thanks to smaller, 260-mm plates, corresponding to a pedal effort that is similar to the Corvette Z06’s 290-mm single-disc system.

The rear axle also is stronger in the ZR1 and features asymmetrical axle-shaft diameters that were developed after careful testing to provide optimal torque management. The axles are also mounted on a more horizontal plane that correlates with the wider width of the rear wheels and tires.

Ride and handling

The ZR1 is built on the same aluminum-intensive chassis as the Corvette Z06 and features similar independent SLA front and rear suspensions, with aluminum upper and lower control arms. Where the ZR1 differs is the suspension tuning, which was optimized for the car’s steamroller-wide front and rear tires.

Magnetic Selective Ride Control is standard and tuned specifically for the ZR1. The system’s ability to deliver a compliant ride with nearly instantaneous damping adjustments enabled engineers to develop a surprisingly supple ride quality in a supercar that still delivers cornering grip of more than 1g.

From a high-performance perspective, Magnetic Selective Ride Control helps the rear axle remain planted during launch for smooth, hop-free acceleration. It also helps suppress axle movement when cornering on broken or uneven pavement.

Brakes, wheels and tires

Commensurate with the ZR1’s engine output is the braking system, which is headlined by carbon-ceramic brake rotors. Found on only a few exotics and more expensive supercars, carbon-ceramic brake rotors are made of a carbon-fiber-reinforced ceramic silicon carbide material . Their advantage comes in low mass and resistance to wear and heat. In fact, the rotors should never show any corrosion or require replacement for the life of the vehicle, when used in normal driving.

The vented and cross-drilled rotors on the ZR1 measure 15.5 inches (394 mm) in diameter in the front and 15 inches (380 mm) in diameter in the rear – making them among the largest carbon-ceramic rotors available on any production vehicle.

Clamping down on the high-tech rotors are six-piston front calipers and four-piston rear calipers, each painted a ZR1-exclusive blue. The front pads are equivalent in size to the largest on any production car with a single-pad design – double that of the Corvette Z06’s 70-sq.-cm. front pads.

The brakes are visible through the ZR1’s exclusive wheels: 20-spoke alloy rims that measure 19 inches in diameter in the front and 20 inches in the rear. They come standard with a bright, Sterling Silver paint finish and chrome versions are optional. The wheels are wrapped in Michelin Pilot Sport 2 tires developed specifically for the ZR1, measuring P285/30ZR19 in front and P335/25ZR20 in the rear.

Exclusive exterior

The ZR1 is instantly recognizable, with perhaps the most identifiable feature a raised, all-carbon-fiber hood that incorporates a clear, polycarbonate window. The window provides a view of the top of the engine’s intercooler, with the legend “LS9 SUPERCHARGED” embossed on the left and right sides, and an engine cover with the Corvette crossed flags logo debossed at the front.
The underside of the hood has an exposed carbon-fiber-weave. Exposed carbon-fiber is used on the roof, roof bow, rocker molding and front splitter. These exterior components are protected by a specially developed glossy, UV-resistant clear coat that resists yellowing and wear.

Widened, carbon-fiber front fenders with specific, dual lower vents, and a full-width, body-color rear spoiler incorporating the center high-mounted stop lamp, are also unique to the ZR1. All of the exterior features of the car were developed to enhance high-speed stability and driver control.

Interior details 
The ZR1’s interior builds on the brand’s dual-cockpit heritage, with high-quality materials, craftsmanship and functionality that support the premium-quality experience promised by the car’s performance. The ZR1’s cabin differs from the Corvette and Corvette Z06 with the following:
ZR1-logo sill plates
ZR1-logo headrest embroidery
Specific gauge cluster with “ZR1” logo on the tachometer and a 220-mph (370 km/h) readout on the speedometer
Boost gauge added to the instrument cluster and Head-Up Display

The “base” ZR1 (RPO 1LZ) comes with accoutrements based on the Z06, including lightweight seats and lightweight content. The uplevel interior package includes unique, power-adjustable and leather-trimmed sport seats (embroidered with the ZR1 logo); custom, leather-wrapped interior available in four colors; navigation system, Bluetooth connectivity and more.

By the numbers

In addition to the exterior cues and powertrain, ZR1 models will be distinguished from other Corvette models by their VIN. Each will carry a unique, identifying VIN digit, as well as a sequential build number. This makes it easy to determine the build number of a specific car – information treasured by enthusiasts and collectors. For example, a ZR1 with a VIN ending in “0150” would indicate it is the 150 th ZR1 built for the model year.

[Kaizen.]

Shits sick......

PS: bastards

[SHIFT_*grind*]

overhead valve, 2 valves per cylinder

Ah well, a 4-cam DOHC would have been cool, kind of a throwback to the old model. I won't complain though :)

[r_seng]

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=124017?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..1 .*#2

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[Neejay]

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FullTests/articleId=124017?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..1 .*#2

end thread.
Very impressive. Thanks for the link.

[r_seng]

Very impressive. Thanks for the link.

np. just reminding everyone that Nissan is in it to win it.

[shifteds14]

id rather have r35 gtr u cant beat nissans engineering/design at least not at this piont . with a few mods im sure a r35 is beyond capable of dominating the zr1 and beyond that of other super cars . the gtr underpowered compared to the latest z06 still out performs it and other super cars alike track times explain for them selves .

nice gm none the less

[0100]

^what? r35 is on the same level as a zo6.
Stock for stock, no way in bloody hell the r35 gtr can compete with a zr1.
If you are talking money wise, you will have a lot of money left over to make the gtr destroy the zr1, but a new pulley and tune the zr1 will have 700+hp.


zr1 looks sick, but I hate the hood and wheels.

[ryguy]

I guess GM wanted the Corvette to go out with a bang. I hope they don't axe it like people are speculating. The new fuel economy requirements are a pain in GM's ass.

Still, fuckin amazing. Only in america would the best cars we can produce still rock leaf springs.

[T_wei]

np. just reminding everyone that Nissan is in it to win it.
I 2nd that GTR FTMFW!

[SimpleS14]

*sigh* really no need to post that link on the GT-R :/ there is another thread for that

I don't think they will axe the Corvette for good...but I know this will be the last Corvette of its kind given the new CAFE standards that will be put into place.

[B18C5MK1]

*sigh* really no need to post that link on the GT-R :/ there is another thread for that.

agreed. two completely different cars... i dont even know why they're being compared? they're both outstanding though. i'd love to have both.

actually, on second thought, if i were to have any skyline, id go hakosuka.

[Omarius Maximus]

I guess GM wanted the Corvette to go out with a bang. I hope they don't axe it like people are speculating. The new fuel economy requirements are a pain in GM's ass.

Still, fuckin amazing. Only in america would the best cars we can produce still rock leaf springs.

Meh, people complain about pushrod this and leaf spring that, but at the end of the day, Japan has NOTHING that can compare to this car.

I'd rather not have a heavier dohc engine, that takes up more space, or a higher specific output, if it means that I have to rev it to 8k to get any power out of it (and still be stuck with a lame torque curve).

As far as the Corvette being axed; simply not going to happen. Its not like the thing eats gas anyway, 23 mpg which is respectable for 500hp(Z06), compared to the equally priced, "technologically advanced" E92 M3 that makes 80hp less and gets 12-14mpg. But OH NOEZ it has mad hp per liter yo. Lots of cams too!

[r_seng]

agreed that both cars are very impressive.

overall however i would prefer the GT-R imo.

[DJButton]

Geesh all the neg rep above me I'm wondering if this thread is cursed... :eek3:

I like the ZR-1... er it's powerplant rather, it manages to be even uglier then Nissan's new offering though, a feat that is hard to manage. IMO

[nissan240sxkid]

NISSAN GTR's interior is still nicer than the guys from Fisher Price that design the ZR1 interior...

[jrocslider]

aww HATE HATE HATE

if anything... i'd want both the GTR and ZR1

[nissan240sxkid]

.....Hey my 620 hp car has the same steering wheel as a cobalt.... its only a little diff from the 08 Z06 with more stitching added...playskool learned how to sew...lol

[ryguy]

Meh, people complain about pushrod this and leaf spring that, but at the end of the day, Japan has NOTHING that can compare to this car.

I'd rather not have a heavier dohc engine, that takes up more space, or a higher specific output, if it means that I have to rev it to 8k to get any power out of it (and still be stuck with a lame torque curve).

As far as the Corvette being axed; simply not going to happen. Its not like the thing eats gas anyway, 23 mpg which is respectable for 500hp(Z06), compared to the equally priced, "technologically advanced" E92 M3 that makes 80hp less and gets 12-14mpg. But OH NOEZ it has mad hp per liter yo. Lots of cams too!

The leaf spring comment was a compliment. There is nothing on the corvette that isnt amazing. And for everybody who thinks the interior sucks, did you even look at the interior shots? It looks gorgeous.

[DreamN]

I like the interior, but I strongly doubt it feels anywhere near as rich in texture and quality as that of a porsche, aston-martin, or even the GT-R. GM's interior is usually appealing for the most part, but the quality is typically sub-par.

[Omarius Maximus]

I like the interior, but I strongly doubt it feels anywhere near as rich in texture and quality as that of a porsche, aston-martin, or even the GT-R. GM's interior is usually appealing for the most part, but the quality is typically sub-par.

Strangely enough, the circular ac vents in the GTR remind me of a pontiac. Neither car's interior is their strong suit. If I wanted a nice interior, I'd rock an Audi RS4 or R8 instead.

[codyace]

It looks like the previous model but with ricey fenders and an ugly hood ornament, plus it was supposed to have over 650 hp and now it has 620, and they bumped the price to over 100K$ (true story). With that cost they can't beat the GT-R at bang for the buck, but they're two completely different cars anyway, I don't see why everyone keeps putting them side by side. Performance-wise it sounds great, it seems like GM decided to tap into the exotics price range and market, no more poor man's supercar.

Bang for Buck? You realize the current Z06 already has that title right? It does everything the base GTR does, if not better in some aspects.

Everyone is toting that 11.6 edmunds test, yet there are guys in the 10's on street tires on stock z06's....

The reason they are compared, as the GTR was likened to the 997 turbo cars, which the z06 beats up on...

Ah well, a 4-cam DOHC would have been cool, kind of a throwback to the old model. I won't complain though :)

Hehe, that old LT5 thing heeh. I guess GM realized that the 'oldschool' way proved just as if not more effective than the newshcool push. Can't beat a small, compact, all aluminum high revving, good mp3, awesome power v8 :D

NISSAN GTR's interior is still nicer than the guys from Fisher Price that design the ZR1 interior...

You've not been in a new Vette have you? Obviously not. Again, don't hate unless you know.

.....Hey my 620 hp car has the same steering wheel as a cobalt.... its only a little diff from the 08 Z06 with more stitching added...playskool learned how to sew...lol

Honestly, you're hating on a car just to hate on a car. Who really cares what the steering wheel looks like when you're dominating cars on track?

I like the interior, but I strongly doubt it feels anywhere near as rich in texture and quality as that of a porsche, aston-martin, or even the GT-R. GM's interior is usually appealing for the most part, but the quality is typically sub-par.

A Porsche interior (at least in the 911 varients, to include turbo) is no better than the curreny Z06 platform. I've been in a DB9, and it was incredible. And anyone that can say a Nissan's interior is nice, hasn't been in a new one. Talk about cheap material and crappy knobs.

[exitspeed]

Wowzers.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S7xbxuaXrA&eurl=http://www.autoblog.com/2008/01/12/video-corvette-zr1-track-attack/

[ThatGuy]

^Tough to compare it to anything when it's zipping around the track by itself, but...

DAMN that looked fast!

[murda-c]

The c6 interior is good with the leather package, otherise it's meh.

[ryguy]

Who honestly gives a fuck about the interior? I for one think that the base interior is nice. Better than Toyota's interiors. I hate the interior of the Camry, I cant understand why people like it. But that's off topic. It's like the decision between show or go- if you're only paying 100k for this car then you arent going to get the $400,000 Ferrari interior. Its a Chevrolet.

[SimpleS14]

if you're only paying 100k for this car then you arent going to get the $400,000 Ferrari interior. Its a Chevrolet.


There are other cars in that price range with a nice interior...such as the R8 or Vantage (but that is just to pimp out :D )

[ryguy]

There are other cars in that price range with a nice interior...such as the R8 or Vantage (but that is just to pimp out :D )
That may be true, but neither of those cars really come close to the power of the Vette. The Corvette accelertes faster, has a higher top speed, and gets better gas mileage. I'll admit the R8 and Vantage have nicer interiors, but I would assume the ZR1 will smoke them at the track. You have to make a trade off somewhere.

I just found this quote too, I thought you guys might like it. It's from Ed Peper, the general manager of Chevrolet.
"We’re still conducting performance testing, so I can’t throw out 0-60, quarter-mile and braking numbers, but suffice it to say that we couldn’t use the Corvette Z06’s 200-mph speedometer because there weren’t enough numbers on it."
Eat that R8, with your lowly 187mph top speed!

[mmdb]

i rather rock a gtr.. cuz i represent the asians

What's the difference? They're all made in Taiwan.

[ryguy]

What's the difference? They're all made in Taiwan.

Are you implying that the Corvette and GTR are made in Taiwan? The Corvette engine is hand built in Michigan and the car is assembled in Bowling Green, Kentucky, and the GTR is assembled in Tochigi, Japan.

[ThatGuy]

Just felt like bumping this back to life with a quick Photoshop I did.
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/2746/thatzr1ui3.jpg
While the acrylic window is a nice touch, I think it looks better without it. :rawk:

[exitspeed]

^
Any chance I can see that in white? ? ? ?

[ThatGuy]

^
Any chance I can see that in white? ? ? ?

I'm at work right now (lunch break) so no PS here. :D I'll see what I can do tonight. White is tough to substitute, but I'll try.

[exitspeed]

I'm at work right now (lunch break) so no PS here. :D I'll see what I can do tonight. White is tough to substitute, but I'll try.

No biggie. Just a sucker for white.

[axiomatik]

I just read in Automobile magazine that all of the exposed carbon fiber is coated in some sort of special epoxy to prevent it from yellowing in the sunlight. The epoxy costs $5,000 per gallon.

[ThatGuy]

I did what I could Mel. It's not the greatest. I only did the black mirrors and spoiler, left the stripe off and the window in.
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8062/melzr1bo9.jpg

[KwKouki]

this car screams "rapesauce" in every known language.

[exitspeed]

I did what I could Mel. It's not the greatest. I only did the black mirrors and spoiler, left the stripe off and the window in.
http://img232.imageshack.us/img232/8062/melzr1bo9.jpg

EDIT: Now it's working. Looks great in white.

[KA-T_240]

I just read in Automobile magazine that all of the exposed carbon fiber is coated in some sort of special epoxy to prevent it from yellowing in the sunlight. The epoxy costs $5,000 per gallon.

I wonder how they know it will not yellow. Thats one pretty penny for coating. Granted if they are spraying it like paint or something it will go along ways

[bamaboy]

I just read in Automobile magazine that all of the exposed carbon fiber is coated in some sort of special epoxy to prevent it from yellowing in the sunlight. The epoxy costs $5,000 per gallon.
Actually Road and Track said that this compound was developed for GM and it costs over $60,000 dollars a gallon.


To everyone who is making a big deal out of the interior I would like to leave a quote from Jay Leno," If you desire a great interior buy a living room suit." The C6 is a fantastic car with way more potential than anything most of us drive on this forum (my 350z included). My dad just bought a C6 and it is so much fun to drive. Now add 205 horse power, better breaks, suspension, weight distribution, and God knows what else and I would have to say that this thing is going to be worth the ~$100k that they ask for it.

My .02

[johnw1415]

I would slap a smaller pulley on there and shoot for 700hp

[bamaboy]

and lose the warranty on your new $100,000 car. 620 is enough.

[EDacIouSX]

and people say "chevie sucks" ha!

[Hooorahh!]

fastest car out of a dealer hah ! 10 seconds on street tires what ?????? y pay 15646k more for a viper or ferrari when u can pay 125k or less and be way faster ...
well i guess if u wanna be more exotic

[SimpleS14]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7S7xbxuaXrA

[exitspeed]

This car is nothing short of amazing.

Vid of the 7:26.4 run at the Ring.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/10/video-gm-releases-corvette-zr1s-7-26-4-ring-attack/

[Neejay]

I watched the whole thing. I am impressed. Looked fun as hell too. lol

[Mi Beardo es Loco]

lol @ somebody neg repping me for that

I'd sell the vette and buy a gtr and pocket the $50k. Problem solved. :love:

[exitspeed]

I watched the whole thing. I am impressed. Looked fun as hell too. lol

Doesn't it look....easy?

[Neejay]

Doesn't it look....easy?
Exactly. lol I'd have never guessed he was going that fast.

[Dutchmalmiss]

Damn, I wanna see some V-Spec GTR times now.

[exitspeed]

Damn, I wanna see some V-Spec GTR times now.

Me too. Me too.

[Somnambulist]

Me too. Me too.

http://www.roadandtrack.com/article.asp?section_id=2&article_id=6754

It will be significantly lighter than the base car — we hear by at least 220 lb.

The interior may come standard with a rollcage or structural brace like the one in the original GT-R Concept, as well as carbon-fiber Recaro front seats.

New lightweight 6-spoke wheels will help you distinguish it from the base GT-R.

We also uncovered that the Spec V's 3.8-liter V-6 will pump out about 520 bhp at 6500 rpm and 435 lb.-ft. of torque from 3200 to 5200, roughly a 10-percent increase from the base engine. The extra oomph comes by increasing the boost of the turbochargers.

The projected MSRP of the GT-R Spec V is $120,000.

Sounds good to me...

[norbac]

lies, all lies, haha, need to bump those hp figures by 10% at least, i'm sure we'll see more and more comparisons between all these cars soon enough

[Yuri]

You can buy pre-owned C5 ZO6's right now for under $20k.
Something for everyone to consider before you jump on the Honda Fit bandwagon. ;)

[carnal_c30]

absolutely amazing.... that car on the track is hardcore, taking corners at 80 that seemed like 30 haha smooth...

and it looks way better than a gtr, just hope they get the steering chassis feel thing down right this time, C&D was complaining about the Z06 feels

wouldnt mind having godzilla and a zr1... nice dream :D

[Pank]

1:02
I swear that thing fucking caught air

[0100]

I don't know, been racing formula cars in the scca for a while now and that looked scary in some sections. Did you guys see the speed carried through some of those turns.

Start the video at 3:20 the vette climes to 130's goes through a kink and then drops down to 70 through a tight turn then up to 130-140+ through a double left hander which at the exit (video at 3:50) right tires are almost on the grass and going 140+. Maybe I am just getting old. Shit who am I kidding I am old but still push it, but definitely not as hard as I use to.

Definitely a quicker lap in store for the zr1, he fucked up in a few spots, but an amazingly skilled driver.

Love this gtr vette battle. Can't get any better than this stuff. Hooray for both manufactures, one of the few that still have balls in the industry.

[FusionR240sx]

that dark silverr makes it hotter.
guhhh

[norbac]

puhleaaase, that ain't got nuthin' on me and my playstation, i run the ring fasta, lol. seriously tho, i'd be shittin' in my pants if i were to drive that fast, one wrong move while going 100+ around turns equals painful rehab

[canuckster240]

to be honest im the most unbiased on this gtr vs zr1/whatever thing, and well, the zr1's interior sucks compared to the gtr imho... and... the zr1 based on the videos is nothing like the gtr, even if its so and so faster, by two miserly seconds... it was on the edge, struggling about to crash, whereas the gtr was smooth, and... much heavier, a lil bit weaker, etc... i dont know... as much as i love faster... the gtr just wins my heart... and this is not because i have a nissan or whatever, i want to put a corvette motor in my 240. but yeah...

[Omarius Maximus]

to be honest im the most unbiased on this gtr vs zr1/whatever thing, and well, the zr1's interior sucks compared to the gtr imho... and... the zr1 based on the videos is nothing like the gtr, even if its so and so faster, by two miserly seconds... it was on the edge, struggling about to crash, whereas the gtr was smooth, and... much heavier, a lil bit weaker, etc... i dont know... as much as i love faster... the gtr just wins my heart... and this is not because i have a nissan or whatever, i want to put a corvette motor in my 240. but yeah...

That's all good and well...but in the good old US of A, speed contests will not be conducted in the nurburgring. When a GTR and Z06 (let alone ZR1) spot each other on the highway...who do you think is going to win an impromptu race? After 100mph, a Z06 will leave the GTR in the dust...a ZR1 would just do it more severely.

[exitspeed]

to be honest im the most unbiased on this gtr vs zr1/whatever thing, and well, the zr1's interior sucks compared to the gtr imho... and... the zr1 based on the videos is nothing like the gtr, even if its so and so faster, by two miserly seconds... it was on the edge, struggling about to crash, whereas the gtr was smooth, and... much heavier, a lil bit weaker, etc... i dont know... as much as i love faster... the gtr just wins my heart... and this is not because i have a nissan or whatever, i want to put a corvette motor in my 240. but yeah...

Yea, but they are two completely different cars. One is a salivating heavy breathing RWD HP monster, the other is a precise computer aided AWD machine.

It's two different approaches, and with the different characteristics of these vehicles they are going to tackle the course completely different.

There's no right or wrong answer in this equation though if you ask me.

[water]

That's all good and well...but in the good old US of A, speed contests will not be conducted in the nurburgring. When a GTR and Z06 (let alone ZR1) spot each other on the highway...who do you think is going to win an impromptu race? After 100mph, a Z06 will leave the GTR in the dust...a ZR1 would just do it more severely.

Yeah well considering the computer will limit you anyway, I'd be embarrassed to race using a GTR on the highway...until of course somebody hacks that ridiculous ECU.

[kyoru]

This thing deserves mad respect, absolute beast. And the driver has balls of steel driving like that haha.

[Dutchmalmiss]

Yea, but they are two completely different cars. One is a salivating heavy breathing RWD HP monster, the other is a precise computer aided AWD machine.

It's two different approaches, and with the different characteristics of these vehicles they are going to tackle the course completely different.

There's no right or wrong answer in this equation though if you ask me.

Yeah it looked almost scary at some points for the Vette with some air and almost sideways actions in the 7:26 clip, and the GTR looked very smooth and poised throughout the whole run in the 7:29 clip. Honestly I think the GTR couldve landed a slightly faster time, JUST because it looked as if it wasn't trying haha.

[drift freaq]

Yeah well considering the computer will limit you anyway, I'd be embarrassed to race using a GTR on the highway...until of course somebody hacks that ridiculous ECU.

Ah thats Japan not the U.S.. U.S. spec GTR's do not have the ecu limiter the Japanese cars have.
Now I will say that ZR1 is fucking insane as is the driver in that vid. He is damn good even when he is fucking up,which he did a few times in that run. What I did notice is that car is going to be very unforgiving. In the hands of a ordinary driver its going to be a handful,exactly like the GT2 and the Carrera GT. There is a reason that their are not that many Carrera GT's out there. People crash them because they don't have the driving skills to drive them.
While fast and in the hands of that driver it looks somewhat easy,it still displayed a at the edge of things handling picture.
While you cannot compare the two cars yet people do,the fact remains that the GTR is downright poised in its ring run in comparision. Its almost shocking how the GTR just asks for more input without fighting back.
That ZR1 looked like it was on the verge of giving that driver a major headache if pushed any harder. IMO
Badass? Yes, for most drivers? No. The GTR wins in the drive-ability comparo at this point IMO.
Though I would love to have a ZR1 hahahahahahahaha

[norbac]

i'd even settle for the z06, haha, that is badass already, and getting more affordable everyday

[ryguy]

Of course the GTR is more poised, it has a computer controlling everything you do. The ZR1 is for men with skill. The GTR is for fanboys.
lol not that I actually have any actual experience with either. Just my .02.
Corvette = trained athlete
GT-R= computer nerd

[exitspeed]

What I did notice is that car is going to be very unforgiving. In the hands of a ordinary driver its going to be a handful,exactly like the GT2 and the Carrera GT. There is a reason that their are not that many Carrera GT's out there. People crash them because they don't have the driving skills to drive them.


Yes, and if you recall GM considered making a driving school mandatory for people that wanted to purchase this car.

While, some people don't like the fact that they "have" to do something, I feel it would preventa whole lot of destruction and death.

[Neejay]

Yes, and if you recall GM considered making a driving school mandatory for people that wanted to purchase this car.

While, some people don't like the fact that they "have" to do something, I feel it would preventa whole lot of destruction and death.
Funny, I didn't hear anything about that, but mandatory driving class (or driving class for the ZR1) is a thought that crossed my mind. LOL

As long as the classes came with the price or they were free, I wouldn't mind taking classes for owning a "ownage" car.

[exitspeed]

Funny, I didn't hear anything about that, but mandatory driving class (or driving class for the ZR1) is a thought that crossed my mind. LOL

As long as the classes came with the price or they were free, I wouldn't mind taking classes for owning a "ownage" car.

Yes, they said the class would be included with the price of the car.

[BustedS13]

the gtr is a girlie man with paddle shifters

the zr1 comes with testicle implant surgery

[ronmcdon]

Of course the GTR is more poised, it has a computer controlling everything you do. The ZR1 is for men with skill. The GTR is for fanboys.
lol not that I actually have any actual experience with either. Just my .02.
Corvette = trained athlete
GT-R= computer nerd

i beg to differ on your perspective. I'd rather have a more forgiving car that allows you to focus on driving well, instead of avoiding a crash. Even professionals get into accidents. Also, just because something is forgiving, doesn't necessarily mean it's easy to master. both cars are masterpieces no doubt, but for that reason I'm more partial towards the gtr (and awd cars in general).

[S13_OneVia]

i beg to differ on your perspective. I'd rather have a more forgiving car that allows you to focus on driving well, instead of avoiding a crash. Even professionals get into accidents. Also, just because something is forgiving, doesn't necessarily mean it's easy to master. both cars are masterpieces no doubt, but for that reason I'm more partial towards the gtr (and awd cars in general).

Dawt. People who havn't actually driven the GTR, make it seem as if you press a button and the GTR drives itself without any mistakes.
"Oh noesz!!! teh GTR computerz didn't countersteer for me!!! the crash, pfffttt.

[ThatGuy]

^ Do you know any English?

[SexPanda]

like the car, hate the hood. If i ever had the money to buy one (which I wouldnt, I'd rather buy 3 nice cars than 1 badass car) I'd slap on a stock corvette hood.

But its all personal preference. Besides that, nice car.

[drift freaq]

Of course the GTR is more poised, it has a computer controlling everything you do. The ZR1 is for men with skill. The GTR is for fanboys.
lol not that I actually have any actual experience with either. Just my .02.
Corvette = trained athlete
GT-R= computer nerd

Ah spoken by a a person that knows nothing about F1 cars or some of the considered great SuperCars. I suggest you watch a episode of Top Gear where Hamilton gets to drive last years Renault F1 car with paddle shifters and traction control. Then tell me the that a GTR is a computer nerds car and non athletic. I suggest you step out of a S13 and into some other so called great Sports cars, before you open your mouth about this again.

the gtr is a girlie man with paddle shifters

the zr1 comes with testicle implant surgery

Ditto to you on what I said above. You're clueless here.

All you little fucks that are stuck on this "it does not have a regular gear shift, so its not a mans car" need to shut the fuck up. None of you have driven a real double clutch semi automatic paddle shift transmission. You would shit in your pants at the lightning fast shifts you can pull. You claim it does not have balls. You have to have big balls to drive those transmissions with how fast they shift at speed.
The problem here is most of you are driving ordinary entry level sports cars and have not a clue as to how a upper level sports car or Super Car even drives. You're an armchair enthusiast on that level. If you have driven one, you can comment, if not your comments are out of shear ignorance.

Like I mention above. Watch that Top Gear Episode and watch how Hamilton, who has seat time behind quite few exotics and what not, shits trying to drive a traction controlled paddle shift F1 car.
Tell us that technology is for girlie men or people that can't drive.

You guys sound like that jerk Dan Neil from the LA Times. Who loved the GT2 because it scared the shit out of him and hated the GTR because he could actually drive it with his limited driving ability. Yet at the same time did not have enough driving ability to drive the Porsche without being scared and push the GTR, way beyond the ordinary limits of a lot of current Super Cars. To put it in the Words of AutoCar. The GTR is like a baby Veryon! Thats big compliments and I am sorry but that ZR1 cannot hold a candle to the Veryon in Civility.

[kouki_s14]

Ah spoken by a a person that knows nothing about F1 cars or some of the considered great SuperCars. I suggest you watch a episode of Top Gear where Harrison gets to drive last years Renault F1 car with paddle shifters and traction control. Then tell me the that a GTR is a computer nerds car and non athletic. I suggest you step out of a S13 and into some other so called great Sports cars, before you open your mouth about this again.



Ditto to you on what I said above. You're clueless here.

All you little fucks that are stuck on this "it does not have a regular gear shift, so its not a mans car" need to shut the fuck up. None of you have driven a real double clutch semi automatic paddle shift transmission. You would shit in your pants at the lightning fast shifts you can pull. You claim it does not have balls. You have to have big balls to drive those transmissions with how fast they shift at speed.
The problem here is most of you are driving ordinary entry level sports cars and have not a clue as to how a upper level sports car or Super Car even drives. Your an armchair enthusiast on that level. If you have driven one you can comment if not your comments are out of shear ignorance.

Like I mention above. Watch that Top Gear Episode and watch how Harrison, who has seat time behind quite few exotics and what not, shits trying to drive a traction controlled paddle shift F1 car.
Tell us that technology is for girlie men or people that can't drive.

You guys sound like that jerk Dan Neil from the LA Times. Who loved the GT2 because it scared the shit out of him and hated the GTR because he could actually drive it with his limited driving ability. Yet at the same time did not have enough driving ability to drive the Porsche without being scared and push the GTR, way beyond the ordinary limits of a lot of current Super Cars. To put it in the Words of AutoCar. The GTR is like a baby Veryon! Thats big compliments and I am sorry but that ZR1 cannot hold a candle to the Veryon in Civility.

Hammond not Harrison, sorry Dave had to correct you there lol.

[DreamN]

lol yeah I kept getting confused about who he was talking about when he mentioned Harrison. Oh and I do agree with pretty much everything he's had to say about the GT-R vs. ZR1 comparison. In the video the driver of the vette looks as if he's fighting to keep the damn thing on the road, no way did that video seem "easy."

[drift freaq]

Hamilton not Harrison, sorry Dave had to correct you there lol.

hehehehehe thanks Henry my bad for forgetting his name I knew it started with an H :rofl:

See folks I admit mistakes, maybe all of you should try too?

[SexPanda]

I've driven 1 paddle shift car, and it was.... interesting?

But as far as all the armchair drivers and what not go, If there is one thing all of my mechanic schooling taught me it was how to read numbers. And the numbers of the GTR are awesome. The numbers of the ZR1 are also awesome. But at the same time, you have to remember the real number: price. the GTR is give or take 80 grand, while the ZR1 is 40 grand more. Granted you get more performance, but I dont believe the cost justifies said performance.

At the same time, your a rich bastard if you can spend 80,000 or 120,000 on a new car, so who really cares?

[ronmcdon]

You don't really have to be rich to afford a $70k car. Many middle-class guys could theoretically get one (even if stretching it, when it comes what they can afford). I'm guessing if you have good credit, can get a gtr w/out markup, you'll be paying $1,200-$1,400 monthly at a lower (5%) apr, 60 payments.

If you keep your other expenses low, make around $50k, it's not implausible that many of us middle class guys could own one. that's what makes the GTR so appealing to me. Same deal with the C6 Z06. ZR-1 or 997 turbo? probably not this lifetime.

[SexPanda]

You don't really have to be rich to afford a $70k car. Many middle-class guys could theoretically get one (even if stretching it, when it comes what they can afford). I'm guessing if you have good credit, can get a gtr w/out markup, you'll be paying $1,200-$1,400 monthly at a lower (5%) apr, 60 payments.

If you keep your other expenses low, make around $50k, it's not implausible that many of us middle class guys could own one. that's what makes the GTR so appealing to me.

Most middle class guys who make upwards of 50 grand a year have families, and bills. I think the only way you could do this "middle class" like would be if you were single, making 75 grand a year, with very few expenses. YOu figure a good house, in MO is 800 a month, insurance for that, and a house, if you have health insurance at work, food, utilities, etc, your looking at having 2 grand a month for a car, which the GTR would eat like sushi. Mmmm... Im kinda hungry.

Both cars are geared towards upper-middle class (doctors, lawyers, etc) and upper class individuals. Of course, if you LIVE for your car, then you can easily own it making 50 grand a year, if your single.

[norbac]

50k won't cut it, gov't takes about one third in income tax, and most major cities, standard of living is still very high, my guesstimate is 100-150k household combined income is where its at

[ronmcdon]

50k income would be like $3,000/month (or $36k net) income after taxes. say you got good credit, and payed $1,400 month @ 60 payments for the gtr. It would give you $1,600 to spend in other stuff. You'd have to be living modestly (if not also miserably) in other regards, and it certainly wouldn't be practical, but it's not impossible either.

You also figure a lot of other circumstances would have to be optimal too. You cannot afford to spend too much in gas, your driving record has to be great b/c you can't afford expensive insurance, etc. It's not easy!

[drift freaq]

50k income would be like $3,000/month (or $36k net) income after taxes. say you got good credit, and payed $1,400 month @ 60 payments for the gtr. It would give you $1,600 to spend in other stuff. You'd have to be living modestly (if not also miserably) in other regards, and it certainly wouldn't be practical, but it's not impossible either.

You also figure a lot of other circumstances would have to be optimal too. You cannot afford to spend too much in gas, your driving record has to be great b/c you can't afford expensive insurance, etc. It's not easy!

LOL almost half your monthly income in car payments. That sounds so LA. :rofl:

[ronmcdon]

LOL almost half your monthly income in car payments. That sounds so LA. :rofl:

You know it! :P

[DreamN]

hmm... $950 single filled with milk crates, foldable chairs/table, and a futon with a $75k+ car in your parking spot. Yeah, that's definitely L.A. :rofl:

[trsilvias13]

Buy a house with a garage first before even considering a supercar like this.

Otherwise following might occur-
I own a GTR/zr1 yet I live at my mama house. I park it in the street because I do not own my own house with a garage. A few months later a post will be "help, someone stole my gtr or zr1, keep an eye out". Then a few weeks later a post will be like, check out my "ls9 swap into my 240sx or twin turbo vq into my 240sx/other rwd car thread".

Priority people. Have a 240sx and doing sr/rb/ls1/kat, etc... are great, but I rather have a bone stock 240sx that I can park in my own garage.

[shmiddy]

omg that car is SICK

imma huge corvette fan, always have been. but time and time again, i'v been to poor to own one lol ............ and same goes for this one

[Neejay]

Priority people. Have a 240sx and doing sr/rb/ls1/kat, etc... are great, but I rather have a bone stock 240sx that I can park in my own garage.
I live in my own apartment, but I don't have a garage. Are you saying that you should have a HOUSE w/ garage before spending $5k on a engine swap? Or just that you should own your own place?

Now, I could see having your own place before spending $40k+ on a car or $10k on engine/car build up, but I wouldn't say you need to have a house first. Big difference between spending $5k on car, and putting $5k on a house + other house expenses.

[exitspeed]

More goodness.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/18/video-corvette-zr1-gets-time-on-the-track-at-milford-proving-gr/

If you watch at the end of the vid you can say a bare chassis just sitting there on the left.

[Neejay]

More goodness.

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/07/18/video-corvette-zr1-gets-time-on-the-track-at-milford-proving-gr/

If you watch at the end of the vid you can say a bare chassis just sitting there on the left.
Dude, this thing sounds like sex on wheels. And I saw the bare chassis. haha

Maybe that's what they'll have to use to beat the V-Spec :keke:

[0100]

Jim Mero: Corvette ZR1 Could Set Even Faster Nürburgring Lap (http://jalopnik.com/5039885/jim-mero-corvette-zr1-could-set-even-faster-nrburgring-lap)

[AFSil80]

Saw one at Road Atlanta/Petit LeMans this weekend...pure sex!

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/MongolPup/IMG_6061.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/MongolPup/IMG_6068.jpg

http://i22.photobucket.com/albums/b338/MongolPup/IMG_6070.jpg

CF front lip is just awesome, as well as the stitching in the seats.

[Str8 Rippin]

I saw one today at the restaurant I was at looked pretty good

[koroshiya87]

zr1 sounds like a sick car

[zTheStig]

no matter how fast it is, it's still a old mans car

[Daniel.]

no matter how fast it is, it's still a old mans car

reviving an 8 month old thread to throw in your worthless two cents.....

you are too awesome for me.

[MrMcgarrett]

no matter how fast it is, it's still a old mans car

lol
Your comment reminded me of this video:

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[articdragon192]

Call me an old man any day. I'll gladly accept it if I'm driving one of those, lol

[ronmcdon]

what's wrong with being an old man? :(

[exitspeed]

I'd say nothing but a dumb ass kid who watches too much tv would think that.

[HyperTek]

he will eventually become an old man one day and realize what a good build/quality tune car is.. as well as alot of guys here.. You mature out of bullshit cars and start to appreciate the good ones, and if you dont view it like that, your probably just a trend follower, like the 30 year old guys i see out here still trying to build up civics.

[SimpleS14]

he will eventually become an old man one day and realize what a good build/quality tune car is.. as well as alot of guys here.. You mature out of bullshit cars and start to appreciate the good ones, and if you dont view it like that, your probably just a trend follower, like the 30 year old guys i see out here still trying to build up civics.


So you're saying the cutoff age for building up a 240 is 30? :keke:

[HyperTek]

depends how the 240 is built up =D
some of the cleanest tuned 240s are by guys near or in their 30s lol

ok imma stop stereotyping b4 i get attacked *runs and hides*

[sub9lulu]

depends how the 240 is built up =D
some of the cleanest tuned 240s are by guys near or in their 30s lol

ok imma stop stereotyping b4 i get attacked *runs and hides*

good luck trying to build a clean ass one under 25 when u dont have rich parents / stacks of credit card bills

[axiomatik]

mmm, stopped by the Corvette museum in Bowling Green this weekend on my way back from Chicago. They had 9 ZR1's there ready for the buyers who chose to take delivery at the factory/museum.

[Future240]

good luck trying to build a clean ass one under 25 when u dont have rich parents / stacks of credit card bills

Its called having a job and managing your finances. I haven't built mine because I don't have the first and don't want the second. In time it will be built, and be under 25K. IMO No 240 needs that much to be clean unless its RB26TT or maybe 2JZ TT. Or LS1 T something that is just crazy.

[BustedS13]

mmm, stopped by the Corvette museum in Bowling Green this weekend on my way back from Chicago. They had 9 ZR1's there ready for the buyers who chose to take delivery at the factory/museum.

guy on a local board did that when the c6 z06's first came out. asshole's 25, and he got it like two years ago now

[ixfxi]

depends how the 240 is built up =D
some of the cleanest tuned 240s are by guys near or in their 30s lol


you mean, people who dont live at home, have a career, make money, and dont get paid with an allowance or college fund? :-)


good luck trying to build a clean ass one under 25 when u dont have rich parents / stacks of credit card bills

reality is a bitch, we've all been there.


no matter how fast it is, it's still a old mans car

Location: Rowland
Age: 20

great advice. next time i see a Z06, let alone a ZR1.. I'll remind myself that its an old mans car... something that 20 year old douchebags from rowland heights cant afford. :-)

i'de take a ZR1 over a GTR **ANYDAY**... and it has nothing to do with brand loyalty, it has to do with engineering. fuck all the computers and awd, give me rwd simplicity.