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exitspeed
12-14-2007, 12:59 PM
Personally I love this dude (not in a homosexual kinda way). Nice article.

WHEN THE OIL BUBBLE BREAKS

In 1995, way back in the days of print, I was doing research for the 100th anniversary of a magazine called Automotive Industries. It actually started out in 1895 as a magazine called The Horseless Age, a much more romantic name for a publication, don't you think? It was fascinating to go through all of the back issues and watch how the auto industry evolved literally each time I turned a page.

In the course of my research I started to notice a pattern. Starting in the late 1920s, the magazine ran an article warning that we were running out of oil. And once a decade or so after that there would be another article, written by a different editor, interviewing a different expert who predicted essentially the same thing--that we'd be running out of oil in the next 15 to 20 years.

That got me into looking at the historical price of gasoline in this country, and the data is illuminating (click here to see gas prices since 1919). The price of gasoline plummeted after WWI. It soared in the late 1930s as war broke out in Europe and Asia. Then it slid for nearly thirty years after WWII. In the 1970s, two oil crises pushed the cost of gasoline to all-time highs. And that was followed by a collapse in prices. As recently as 1999, the price of oil was only $17 a barrel! Today, of course, the price is soaring again.

But the point is: the history of oil shows a big run-up in prices every two to three decades followed by a collapse. And what are we in today? A big run-up in prices. Do you see where I'm going with this?

There's no question that demand for oil is pushing up prices. China, India and other developing nations are as thirsty for this stuff as we are. But increasing demand is not what made the price soar. That was the terrorist attacks of 9/11, the war in Iraq, the attempt to blow up Saudi Arabia's largest pumping station, the confrontations with Iran, political troubles in Angola, and the billions of dollars speculators are pouring into oil market futures.

Clearly it's the war, political unrest and speculation that primarily pushed the price up nearly five-fold in only seven years. History shows that won't last.

At a time when so many are worried about the impact of high oil prices on the auto industry, I'm worried about the opposite effect. What if, just as the industry is pouring billions into hybrids, clean diesels, fuel cells and other fuel-saving technologies to meet a 35 mpg CAFE by 2020, the price of oil slides back down to, say, $30 a barrel? Will consumers happily pay for this costly technology if gasoline suddenly drops to $1.50 a gallon in the US?

I'm not talking about this happening anytime soon. I figure it'll take about a decade for prices to settle down again. But in automotive terms, that's only two design cycles away.

I know, I know, everyone tells me the price of oil will never, ever go down to $30 a barrel again, not even if you adjust it for future inflation. They all give me a bemused smile that says, "This guy's off his rocker!"

But I point to history. It's on my side.

2ilvia
12-14-2007, 01:12 PM
eh................................

i personally think the price will keep going up, then once the US has control of some middle eastern oil, the price will go down, and americans will be like YEAAAAAAAH, lets go do Iran!

then on the other hand, if all the money spent on hybrids, clean, and green goes to waste, then we will be faced with a terrible economy (like were in right now) and when the US merges with brazil and the worth of us currency goes up, americans will be like YEAAAAAAAAh, lets merge the whole world!

SimpleSexy180
12-14-2007, 01:49 PM
Oh, of course it will go back down.

we always have "oil crisis" everytime we goto war.

i dont complain much about gas prices though, compared to the rest of the world..we are pretty damn cheap.

jskateborders
12-14-2007, 02:55 PM
Do you really think that we are having an "oil crisis". How the hell do you think the U.S. Government, who has control now over Iraq, and has more oil in our own homeland then they let known, pays for war? They spike oil prices to pay for the shit they are using too.

Farzam
12-14-2007, 03:18 PM
Welp

all I know is

Once prices plummet...i'm gonna go get 20 sets of tires and just burn em all off drifting around a gas station yellin "yeehaw!!!!" and shooting off a revolver.

skylindrftr
12-14-2007, 11:22 PM
Welp

all I know is

Once prices plummet...i'm gonna go get 20 sets of tires and just burn em all off drifting around a gas station yellin "yeehaw!!!!" and shooting off a revolver.

Damn Straight

HalveBlue
12-14-2007, 11:50 PM
The article fails to mention one of the biggest factors behind the increase in oil prices: peak oil.

While I'm not saying that I buy into the theory many scientists and industry observers believe that all the ceap and accessible oil fields have already been discovered and are being developed. In essence, while there will always be additional oil fields the ability to gain access to them at an economical rate is not there. Further, the already established oil fields are said to be running at peak capacity and that in a few years time they will return only diminishing yields. Couple that with increased demand by developing countries like India and China and you have a classic situation of demand oustripping supply.

But, as the article already mentioned, a new oil crisis hits every couple of decades. Plus the peak oil debate is a tremendously political one, revolving around various philosophies and theories and statistical models.

History will tell who was right.

ranger240
12-15-2007, 12:11 AM
eh................................


then on the other hand, if all the money spent on hybrids, clean, and green goes to waste, then we will be faced with a terrible economy (like were in right now) and when the US merges with brazil and the worth of us currency goes up, americans will be like YEAAAAAAAAh, lets merge the whole world!

please never speak about economics ever again.

+1 to the dude who mentioned peak oil. the article is good but historical models cant fully be applied to the phenomena of globalization because it's never happened before.

2ilvia
12-15-2007, 12:41 PM
yes your little red friends tell me that you are very wise yourself

just a little help btw,
green = go
red = stop, as in end yourself

bamaboy
12-15-2007, 02:56 PM
A lot is made of how the government, US government, has control over prices.... this is not true. Also, no individuals nation has total control over production either. OPEC has absolute control over the amount of production. OPEC can be lobbied just like our government is lobbied, so those with the greatest interest in the amount of production OPEC allows will definitely spend some money trying to convince OPEC officers to agree with them.

Another point the media has brain washed everyone with is that all of the oil we import comes from countries who aren't exactly fond of us. While a large portion of the oil we import comes from the middle east, several American owned companies have purchased or leased controlling interest over these foreign oil fields, which means we are buying foreign oil from domestic oil companies. So, whats the problem with that? I have an opinion on that but I am simply trying to offer information here.

There are infact several oil fields, oil pockets, oil whatevers still left to be discovered and tapped. A lot of the places are protected areas such as some places in Alaska, Yellowstone National Park, and billions of barrels of oil under the oceans along American coast lines. Some oil rich 3rd world countries, like Angola, are just becoming organized enough to sell these natural resources to countries who need them.

The oil industry is so political that I am willing to bet that the President doesn't even have a decent idea of how the whole thing works. I wish I knew more but I'm afraid then that I would be killed, seriously. I have learned a lot in the last 5 years working in middle management for 2 very large oil companies. Look for the government to do something about the big oil companies and their windfall record profits in the next 5-7 years.

Farzam
12-16-2007, 02:45 PM
They can kill me if they wanna teach me first.

It'd be like learning the meaning of life, except...not.

aznpoopy
12-16-2007, 04:23 PM
+1 to halveblue

the writer undervalues (or completely forgets to mention) the status of the oil supply. while there have been peak oil scares in the past, peak oil DOES happen; as it has already happened in the US. even optimistic forecasts put it within the century. doomsday predictors say it has happened already or will happen in 5-10 years.

the writer also undervalues the developing countries out east. china + india = a shitload of people. as their standard of living improves and they all buy cars, you can expect to see the price of energy in general skyrocket, due to a ridiculously huge influx of demand.