Nissan and Chrysler may build cars and trucks together

[ZilviaBot]

Filed under: Chrysler (http://www.autoblog.com/category/chrysler/), Nissan (http://www.autoblog.com/category/nissan/)
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/12/nissanchrsylerhands_opt.jpg (http://www.bloomberg.com/apps/news?pid=newsarchive&sid=aY69VBzYzydg)Citing inside sources, Bloomberg reports today that Chrysler and Nissan are in talks to develop cars, trucks and engines together. Both companies happen to be the third largest automakers in their home market and both are used to collaborative efforts in car making. Chrysler is working with Volkswagen on minivans and Chinese automaker Chery on a small car, for instance, while Nissan-Renault continues to seek a partner in the U.S. after a proposed partnership with General Motors fell through. Chrysler and Nissan, however, are reportedly not considering acquiring any type of ownership in each other. The co-development would be limited to truck development for Nissan, small car development for Chrysler and joint development of new engines. Nissan is likely hoping that tapping into a U.S. automakers' expertise on full-size trucks will lead to changes that make its Titan pickup more competitive. Chrysler, meanwhile, is still without a car smaller than the Caliber and could benefit from Nissan's experience selling small cars in Japan and Europe. Again, the talks are private so neither company has confirmed they're in discussions, but collaboration on this scale seems to becoming more common in the industry, especially for automakers that aren't the biggest, but aren't the smallest, either.

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[drift freaq]

Bot your wrong Nissan is Japan's #2 Automaker not number 3.

[Antihero983]

ugh fuck that. chrysler hasnt made a decent fucking car in YEARS.

so what now, it can't do it on its own, and mitsu and mercedes arent part the plan anymore, so it has to cross breed with nissan? fuck that.

[90KAcoupe]

nissan should team up with BMW just because of the fact that the M3 is ballin and their cars look a whole lot better then nissan... we need a 325i at a altima price...

[drift freaq]

nissan should team up with BMW just because of the fact that the M3 is ballin and their cars look a whole lot better then nissan... we need a 325i at a altima price...

Hahaha that would be pretty funny since the G37 just out BMW'd the 335 in a head to head test. LOL

[xcusememisswyn]

Hahaha that would be pretty funny since the G37 just out BMW'd the 335 in a head to head test. LOL

Link?!?!

I want to see that haha

[90KAcoupe]

^^ i honestly don't care which won.. i think the e46 bmw's are the best looking cars to ever touch the road.. but hey thats my opinion.. so i guess it really doesnt matter.

[drift freaq]

Link?!?!

I want to see that haha

I believe it was Road and Track or Car and Driver about a month back. I remember seeing it and reading it. Plus the LA Times did a reprint of it in their car section special they run once a week.

[xcusememisswyn]

The 335 won in the one i read, thats why im wondering where it was different.

[drift freaq]

^^ i honestly don't care which won.. i think the e46 bmw's are the best looking cars to ever touch the road.. but hey thats my opinion.. so i guess it really doesnt matter.

no it doesn't :D hahahhahahhahhaha j/k.

[drift freaq]

The 335 won in the one i read, thats why im wondering where it was different.

If you look at the overall the G37 comes up as the winner overall even though the 335 edged it out in a few area's. Basically they said overall the G matched in some areas came close in others and exceeded in enough over the 335( not in those exact same words but that was the gist of the summary) thereby giving it the top score.

[90KAcoupe]

no it doesn't :D hahahhahahhahhaha j/k.

lol... but seriously...

i mean seriously just look.

http://i148.photobucket.com/albums/s29/TurboDube/BMW/E46/WhiteE46M3OnHREs.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v305/ThreeTurbos/g37.jpg

but hey lets get this on topic... so is the titan gonna get bigger and maybe a turbo diesel.. yay for the economy more BIG trucks... wat happened to the small 4cylinder trucks that everybody loved...

come on car companys.. think!!!!!

[KA-T_240]

If nissan gets a GOOD, diesel in there stuff it would be sweet. Not any of that shit like they tried in the liberty.

Titan+Cummins TDI= New toy

[98s14inaz]

ugh fuck that. chrysler hasnt made a decent fucking car in YEARS.

so what now, it can't do it on its own, and mitsu and mercedes arent part the plan anymore, so it has to cross breed with nissan? fuck that.

^ what he said. Chrysler has been slowly dying for years, they need to merge with gm and get it over with. Nissan needs to stay as far away from Chrysler's epic fail as possible.

[justaKAiswear]

Chrysler has new ownership now, they are supposedly tryin to turn it around... I dont see where the benefit for Nissan would be with the notorious reputation of build quality and longevity of Chrysler. Benz learned its lesson the hard way!

[h23]

^ what he said. Chrysler has been slowly dying for years, they need to merge with gm and get it over with. Nissan needs to stay as far away from Chrysler's epic fail as possible.

I agree 100%.. Chrysler vehicles are a dying breed and don't need to drag Nissan down with it (whom I think has the best line up of cars this year they've ever had)

[remety]

Chrysler = Failure!


Hope Nissan steers clear of them....

[Sil-Abc]

with the decline in quality and reliability in mercs lately, im sure nissan cars will follow the same downfall as merc if this merge does go through.

[Anto]

chry-ssan


yee haw.
I want to see a factory srt-8 into a nissan frame.


BUT WAIT

the srt-8 doesn't even come in a 5 speed manual.

[stinky_180]

chry-ssan

christ son!!!! lol

[PoorMans180SX]

What is up with all the bloody collaborations lately? Make your own dang engines!

It all started with DSM's.

[muddafakka]

Gross. I hope Nissan doesn't go through with this. If anything, Chrysler should be taken over by GM instead. Or better yet, Chrysler just needs to die. They suck. Nissan needs to stay the fuck away from them. Chrysler's been making rolling pieces of shit for years now. I don't see how Nissan (or any other company for that matter) will do anything for them.

[bardabe]

Gross. I hope Nissan doesn't go through with this. If anything, Chrysler should be taken over by GM instead. Or better yet, Chrysler just needs to die. They suck. Nissan needs to stay the fuck away from them. Chrysler's been making rolling pieces of shit for years now. I don't see how Nissan (or any other company for that matter) will do anything for them.

you are fuckin stupid sir, Jeep 4X4's are bad ass. they are just straight bad ass for off road. 2nd of all my car is a chrisler its a Talon. and its a great fuckin car. might not be JDM drifter tight. but it does have a turbo. and a bullet proof bottom end. leather ac, and the cops can't give me shit about having a big ass turbo just chilling in my engine bay.

[muddafakka]

Yeah I'm stupid because I gave my opinion...give me a fucking break dude.

For the record, I was talking about Chrysler itself. Not Jeep or Dodge. I wouldn't shit talk Jeeps because we have one and it's been good to us for years.

I was thinking about Chrysler only when I typed that, not Chrysler LLC. I should have been more specific but whatever.

[Antihero983]

2nd of all my car is a chrisler its a Talon. and its a great fuckin car. might not be JDM drifter tight. but it does have a turbo. and a bullet proof bottom end. leather ac, and the cops can't give me shit about having a big ass turbo just chilling in my engine bay.


really now? i didnt realize having a bulletproof bottom end meant being prone to crank walk.

chrysler didnt build that car. they helped fund it. the body and drivertrain were done by mitsu. you car isn't a chrysler. its a DSM. Diamond Star Motors. a shit venture between Chrysler, Mitsu, and Hyundai.

its like saying a ponitac vibe wasn't built by toyota. but by GM, when in fact everything is pretty much the same as the toyota matrix is cloned from.

and just because it has a turbo doesn't make it awesome.

every chrysler venture past the last 60s and early 70s has been AWFUL.

jeep is the ONLY chrylser owned company i would ever consider buying a vehicle from....and im not talking about the new pussifed ones (minus the SRT8 cherokee), im talking about the cherokee classics and shit.

/semi rant

[98GM6rd]

the only thing good to come from chrysler are the srt8s, the magnum, 300c, and the charger. we can drift those and the srt8 come minimum 400hp. i think if chrys and niss were to merge. we should get a s13/14/15 with minimum 400hp in the US only...just my opinion

[DreamN]

really now? i didnt realize having a bulletproof bottom end meant being prone to crank walk.

chrysler didnt build that car. they helped fund it. the body and drivertrain were done by mitsu. you car isn't a chrysler. its a DSM. Diamond Star Motors. a shit venture between Chrysler, Mitsu, and Hyundai.

its like saying a ponitac vibe wasn't built by toyota. but by GM, when in fact everything is pretty much the same as the toyota matrix is cloned from.

and just because it has a turbo doesn't make it awesome.

every chrysler venture past the last 60s and early 70s has been AWFUL.

jeep is the ONLY chrylser owned company i would ever consider buying a vehicle from....and im not talking about the new pussifed ones (minus the SRT8 cherokee), im talking about the cherokee classics and shit.

/semi rant

preach bruddah :bowdown:

[swpdwgn]

are you kidding me? fuck that shit chrysler is a bunch of dumb fucking idiot american cluster fucking piece of shit dumb ass's that dont know how to fucking engineer a god damn car.

that is all.

[VROOOM]

the only thing good to come from chrysler are the srt8s, the magnum, 300c, and the charger. we can drift those and the srt8 come minimum 400hp. i think if chrys and niss were to merge. we should get a s13/14/15 with minimum 400hp in the US only...just my opinion


viper???????????????

[Jordan-S13-Silvia]

I dont believe it.

[HemiCharger]

Man I hate to burst all your bubbles but Nissan stopped making great cars in 1998 and I do not want anyone to say the 350Z is as great a car as the 300zx was. The 300zx is way better in almost every category. I love Nissan's older cars. I have owned a pulsar NX, NX2000, 2 240sxs and a 96 300zx. They made cars that had a lot of neat features and would go for ever. When they canceled the 300zx and killed the s series 240 the Nissan that had been around for 30 years or so effectively died. Renault is a crap company and Nissan is not doing well with them at all. I bought my first Dodge product which was a Hemi Charger and with the Challenger coming back that makes Dodge and Chrysler very competitive. Dodge combining with Nissan would be nothing but a WIN/ WIN for Nissan and Dodge. Period...

[HyperTek]

^ i think its Nissan North America that blows.. I loved nissan since i was a kid, i grew up around Zs and the lil pick up Hard bodys... but like you that was in the 90s as well.. I dont really like Nissans current line up. They didnt go balls out on the 350z *but from my understanding, the 300ZX died because of sales in the US, not many people would pay $40k for it, so they didnt want to go that route again since the late 90s they where doing bad* Yah the GTR is cool but it seems like its going to be out of reach for most of us common folks.

Crysler had some cool cars in teh past, nothing though to the outside world that is noticible in history though *I have a few hardback books on sports cars and historical cars and not really anything from crysler*

[drift freaq]

Man I hate to burst all your bubbles but Nissan stopped making great cars in 1998 and I do not want anyone to say the 350Z is as great a car as the 300zx was. The 300zx is way better in almost every category. I love Nissan's older cars. I have owned a pulsar NX, NX2000, 2 240sxs and a 96 300zx. They made cars that had a lot of neat features and would go for ever. When they canceled the 300zx and killed the s series 240 the Nissan that had been around for 30 years or so effectively died. Renault is a crap company and Nissan is not doing well with them at all. I bought my first Dodge product which was a Hemi Charger and with the Challenger coming back that makes Dodge and Chrysler very competitive. Dodge combining with Nissan would be nothing but a WIN/ WIN for Nissan and Dodge. Period...

Ya keep on smoking that crack coming out of your tailpipe. Mr I own a ugly 4 door with a Hemi posing as a Charger. Fuck, modern Dodge and Chrysler is a joke. You think Renault is shit? Hmmm who has won F1 Championships in both Drivers and Constructors? Not Chrysler or Dodge? No wait, a company named Renault, that actually brought the poorly mismanaged Nissan of the 90's back from the brink of bankruptcy.
Your clueless if you think that Nissan has not done well under the steward ship of Renault and Ghosn. The company is profitable again and fuck your 300zx bloated ass excuse for a sports car. It was a Sports GT and did not live up to the legacy of 240Z .
The 350Z on the other hand is a fucking deal for entry level sports car of its caliber and is a lot of bang for the buck. You obviously know nothing about sports cars, or you would at least see that! Even if you did not like the car. Keep on driving that 4 door ugly excuse for a Charger. Real Chargers were always 2 doors.

[karl wasabi]

Man I hate to burst all your bubbles but Nissan stopped making great cars in 1998 and I do not want anyone to say the 350Z is as great a car as the 300zx was. The 300zx is way better in almost every category. I love Nissan's older cars. I have owned a pulsar NX, NX2000, 2 240sxs and a 96 300zx. They made cars that had a lot of neat features and would go for ever. When they canceled the 300zx and killed the s series 240 the Nissan that had been around for 30 years or so effectively died. Renault is a crap company and Nissan is not doing well with them at all. I bought my first Dodge product which was a Hemi Charger and with the Challenger coming back that makes Dodge and Chrysler very competitive. Dodge combining with Nissan would be nothing but a WIN/ WIN for Nissan and Dodge. Period...

I'll have to agree with the other people on this one. I think he just joined this forum to post the above. :-/

[HemiCharger]

I'll have to agree with the other people on this one. I think he just joined this forum to post the above. :-/

NO fools -- I do own a 2007 Hemi Charger along with a 96 240sx Zenki. Dodge does not race in Formula series. They race in a little national known racing circuit called NASCAR. The Mopar SRT8 drift charger is badass and even if you do not like them then something should be said for a 4000 lb car that goes 0-60 in under 6 secs or the SRT8 which does it in under 5 secs.

Renault wins in formula racing well that is just great. So does Honda but one still builds [email protected] boxes for cars and that is not the company from Japan. Dodge and Chrysler sell 100,000 plus Chargers a year probably more than three lines of cars from Nissan. The Charger might not be JDM tight but it is a nice well made car that gets great gas mileage for what it is.

The 350z may be molded after the original z but the best Z ever made was the early to mid 90s one and I am sorry but it is not a GT car. That was the z31 not the z32.

If you fear a Nissan / Dodge collaboration then think about how it worked for Mitsubishi they gain market in the US while having an avenue for distribution. Again, Nissan North America would benefit from such a partnership, not so much in other parts of the world.

[Antihero983]

NO fools -- I do own a 2007 Hemi Charger along with a 96 240sx Zenki. Dodge does not race in Formula series. They race in a little national known racing circuit called NASCAR. The Mopar SRT8 drift charger is badass and even if you do not like them then something should be said for a 4000 lb car that goes 0-60 in under 6 secs or the SRT8 which does it in under 5 secs.

Renault wins in formula racing well that is just great. So does Honda but one still builds [email protected] boxes for cars and that is not the company from Japan. Dodge and Chrysler sell 100,000 plus Chargers a year probably more than three lines of cars from Nissan. The Charger might not be JDM tight but it is a nice well made car that gets great gas mileage for what it is.

The 350z may be molded after the original z but the best Z ever made was the early to mid 90s one and I am sorry but it is not a GT car. That was the z31 not the z32.

If you fear a Nissan / Dodge collaboration then think about how it worked for Mitsubishi they gain market in the US while having an avenue for distribution. Again, Nissan North America would benefit from such a partnership, not so much in other parts of the world.

are you fucking retarded? seriously?

how badass can the mopar charger be since it didnt even finish in the TOP 3 in fomula D.

nascar? who fucking cars? F1 takes waaaaaaaaaaay more engineering then slapping a carb'd V8 in a race chassis and going in circles.

the z32 is the best? the overweight POS? CMON. clearly you must have been typing out of your ass on that one, or have no knowledge of what the fuck a 240/260/280Z is.
AND HOW THE FUCK IS A Z31 A GT CAR?! are you seriously that stupid? i mean...really?

everything chrysler has invested or been apart of HAS FUCKING FAILED!!!! look at mercedes! THEY WERE LOSING MONEY WHEN THEY OWNED CHRYSLER.
look at the abomonation that was the DSM partnership!!! that failed pretty fast too!!!

and if chrysler sells sooooooooooo many chargers, then why the fuck arent they in the big 3 in sale in north america? oh thats right, because toyota, GM, and honda fucking PWN them.

you call Renault pieces of shit?
they are waaaaay ahead of chrysler in the global market in sales. yes. the GLOBAL market. some you clearly cannot wrap your fucking mind around, probably cause its shoved so far up your ass. and just because they arent in the US (yet) doesnt mean they make pos cars. and how the fuck would you know if they are shitty or not? you dont even live in europe! if you actually read up on them, renault has had some of the best selling cars in europe.

and i would take a V6 renault clio over that bloated piece of dried cum you call a charger.

and as far as mitsu goes, look where the fuck they are now. in the red, on the line of bankruptcy. yeh chrysler did SOOOOOO much them.

oh and if you knew how to actually drive a car, you'd know there's more to a car than a fucking 0-60 time. my 240 won't out excellerate an srt8, but itll out fucking handle one.

and srt8s ain't shit. i'll take a fucking corvette or a last gen trans am over one of those any day of the week.


so lets review.

F1>going in circles (nascar)
reneault>chrysler
mitsu=fail even with chrysler's poor attempt.
240z/260z/280z>Z32
you=fail
your car=fail
corvette/trans am/camaro>SRT8
god i love it when close minded rednecks get a hold of the internet, a keyboard, and a zilvia account.

i hope you do 0-60 into a fucking pole 6 seconds.

[HemiCharger]

It is NICE to know that everyone on Zilvia is so open minded as yourself. The s13 that you drive since I am sure it is a slow POS, probably would not even be close to a 4000 lb Hemi Charger or SRT8. I did not bash any of your cars so why the hate on mine. I was making a point but since you think Euros are the greatest why not go over there to live? then you could drive all the jdm euro tight 4 bangers you want. In Japan the Ford Mustang is very very popular so are most American muscle cars. It is funny to see a board like this bash cars that are so beloved and respected especially in countries that love those cars more so than their home market cars. The same that you are bashing.

I did not come here to start an internet e-thug fight-- unlike most of your trolling fools -- I work a job that does not involve flipping burgers or living with my parents. This concludes my posting into this thread and I wish all you closed minded idiots good luck. Oh yeah you feel sooo brave then go out and race a few Hemi powered vehicles, trucks or cars and let me know how it works out for your JDM tight s13...

The End...

[Antihero983]

lol such an intelligent comeback. for your fucking information, im a subaru factory technician, and i live on own. hey guess what? i also buid my own cars.

and i am not closed minded. i love a slew of different cars, i was just pointing out how much chrysler sucks, which you have yet to prove me wrong on.

you're the fucking hypocrite who's calling everyone closed minded, when you're the one who has his dick stuck in the tailpipe of his charger.

don't come on here and piss and moan, when you don't even have a decent or semi intelligent rebuttal that involves actual facts.

[HemiCharger]

lol such an intelligent comeback. for your fucking information, im a subaru factory technician, and i live on own. hey guess what? i also buid my own cars.

and i am not closed minded. i love a slew of different cars, i was just pointing out how much chrysler sucks, which you have yet to prove me wrong on.

you're the fucking hypocrite who's calling everyone closed minded, when you're the one who has his dick stuck in the tailpipe of his charger.

don't come on here and piss and moan, when you don't even have a decent or semi intelligent rebuttal that involves actual facts.

you are talking Formula 1 so lets break some facts off for you Yamamoto

The 5.7 liter hemi engine has made wards top ten best engine list for 5 years running.

It is a LEGEND.. unlike your scobby rally racing flavor of the month.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_Hemi_engine

www.allpar.com

tells you everything that you need to know.

You say Chrysler and Dodge suck but other than some formula one crap which besides the Indy 500 no one over here cares about, you show no facts for your bias opinion on Chrysler. Granted the verdict is still out on the build quality of the vehicle but I have had no issues with it at 15,000 miles so far. Formula 1 racing is impression and the technology in it is more impressive but you talking about Dodge and the legendary performance of their cars like you are ignorant and know nothing about them. Every heard of Carol Shelby on dodge cars in the 80s or how about the 426 street hemi which can make over 1000 whp. How about you learn what real cars are about and stop watching the Fast and The Furious ....

[Kn1ves]

Uhm the VQ has been in the ward's top ten for 13 years now
Its won every year since 1995

that has nothing to do with F1.

It seems that Nissan is more legendary than Chrysler

Heres the VQ making reliable 1800HP more than POS 1000HP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzppLAocnEA

http://forums.freshalloy.com/showthread.php?t=159347

[kingkilburn]

If you want proof that Dodge/Chrysler sucks look at Sam Hubbinet. He was dominant if FD in his factory backed Viper. Than Dodge thought they could use him to sell the drift crowd their Charger knockoff. Even after sinking hundreds of thousands of dollars into it it was mediocre at best while his old Viper did pretty well considering its unheard of driver. GM putting Millen in the Soltice was genius on the other hand. I hate the driver but you can't deny how good the car is.

As a small aside, both the Z31 and 32 were gt cars. They went very far from what a Z was and is supposed to be. If they continued using the S chassis as the Z's platform and put the VG or RB(more fitting with the Z heritage) in it they would have had a dominant car, especially for the sub thirty thousand price tag it would have had.
The Z32 should have been a new Infiniti flagship as well as having a different name if you ask me. The new GT-R is proof that you can have more that one sports car in your line up and still be competitive in the market.


With every sentence I type I think of three more I want say but I will end it with this; A Cummins diesel in a Titan/Armada is a good idea no mater how you look at it.

[Antihero983]

you are talking Formula 1 so lets break some facts off for you Yamamoto

The 5.7 liter hemi engine has made wards top ten best engine list for 5 years running.

It is a LEGEND.. unlike your scobby rally racing flavor of the month.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chrysler_Hemi_engine

www.allpar.com

tells you everything that you need to know.

You say Chrysler and Dodge suck but other than some formula one crap which besides the Indy 500 no one over here cares about, you show no facts for your bias opinion on Chrysler. Granted the verdict is still out on the build quality of the vehicle but I have had no issues with it at 15,000 miles so far. Formula 1 racing is impression and the technology in it is more impressive but you talking about Dodge and the legendary performance of their cars like you are ignorant and know nothing about them. Every heard of Carol Shelby on dodge cars in the 80s or how about the 426 street hemi which can make over 1000 whp. How about you learn what real cars are about and stop watching the Fast and The Furious ....

HAHAHAHAHAH OH WHERE TO BEGIN!!!!!!!

the indy 500 isnt F1 racing you dumb fuck.

ok nascar boy, put down your budweiser, and get off of your cousin for a second.

you say the 426 can make 1000hp? ok so? so can a RB26DETT. oh but guess what NOT MUCH OF IT IS STOCK AT 1000HP. i highly doubt anything but the block is still dodge made by the time it hits that power.

fast and the furious reference? oh cmon. just because im into imports, doesnt mean im a F&F fan. nice try though. reaaaaaal creative. or not.

on to the shelby cars.
of course they were badass...CAROL SHELBY WAS INVOLVED! without the shelby mods, they were wothless POS vehicles. case in point? the Omni GLH. badass. regular ol' Omni? WEAK SAUCE.

have i lost you yet? ok good. let's continue.
just because YOU dont clearly understand F1, or like it, doesnt mean everyone else hates it.

you keep talkingf about the hemi. ok the old hemi's were good motors. ill give you that. and yes the 60's and 70's chrysler muscle was awesome.

but what about their other engines? their V6s are a joke, the 4cyl. engines are even worse! the first generation neon 4 bangers had more headgasket issues than most subarus ever will!!!!

and as far as car of the moment....the Sti will outperform your fucking tank of a wannabe musclecar any day of the week, and has a loyal fanbase AROUND THE WORLD. does the charger? hmm.....nope!

did you know dodge tried to rally like subaru does? yeah. it did. it entered the neon against the likes of the STi and got OWNED.

dodge cant do anything but drive in fucking circles.

wanna go deeper? ok. has renault ever filed for bankruptcy? no. has chrysler?
WHY YES IT HAS!! without reagan giving them money to develop the epic fail that was the K car in the 80's there would be no chrysler today.

ill stop for now, and im sure youll respond with some more ignorant shit, so ill come back later.

oh one last thing.

you keep calling me biased against chrysler, but yet you seemed to be biased towards chrysler. isnt that a bit hypocritical? indeed it is.

and i grew up around muscle cars. dont fucking tell me because i like imports i dont know anything about them, because that's assuming, and assuming=ignorance, which you seem to have in droves on your end.

[HemiCharger]

Dude who really cares? I did not join Zilvia to talk about Hemi Chargers or specifically to get into this thread.

I like imports. I dropped a H22a JDM motor into my 95 prelude with a 8 lb flywheel. It would fly. I really did not know much of anything about cars when I started now I am comfortable with pretty much about anything I want to work on.

I basically joined into this because everyone is bashing Dodge. They tried to make a competitive drift mopar car and failed. SO what at least they put something out there. I am now the proud owner of a clean s14 Zenki which more than likely will be getting a sr20det 5 speed swapped into it soon. I like japan cars a lot more than domestics, but Dodge is not building junk any longer and they might just suprise you all.

[MavericStephenc]

haha *awesome* dodge srt4...correction neon uses a mitsu motor.
ask my friend who owns one my sr pwnes him all day

rb26 will make a grand on a stock block case in point

the Veilside R34 was dynoed at 1460bhp stock block

once nissan tested the RB26 and found that 1600bhp was the absolute limit before the engine block started to crack itself, and it was impossible to get much more out of it.

as far as nascar goes. I personally don't like it. "c'mon boys lets go fast and turn left"
although fast and in that respect dangerous, it lacks skill so nascar effectively fails against all motorsports including autocross and cart racing
imagine the budweiser 24 hour?
nascar in the rain/snow
i'm done

[kingkilburn]

Every one needs to cool their jets, stand back, and look at what your doing. You guys bash nico for being to juvenile and being full of noobs but you refuse to discuss or argue intelligently and respectfully. You clearly can't agree so why not just stop. You both look like idiots.

Other than the fact that the Charger shouldn't have been named as such there isn't really any thing wrong with it or most other new Chrysler vehicles. I would never own one but that is just personal preference.

It doesn't make much sense to compare imports and domestics as far as racing is concerned. They don't compete head to head in any big events. The closest they compete is in touring car racing, but I'm sure neither of you watch that. In that venue it isn't uncommon for a TSX to beat Vipers and GTOs but any thing can happen.

[SimpleSexy180]

did u mention nico? ban.

[drift freaq]

It is NICE to know that everyone on Zilvia is so open minded as yourself. The s13 that you drive since I am sure it is a slow POS, probably would not even be close to a 4000 lb Hemi Charger or SRT8. I did not bash any of your cars so why the hate on mine. I was making a point but since you think Euros are the greatest why not go over there to live? then you could drive all the jdm euro tight 4 bangers you want. In Japan the Ford Mustang is very very popular so are most American muscle cars. It is funny to see a board like this bash cars that are so beloved and respected especially in countries that love those cars more so than their home market cars. The same that you are bashing.

I did not come here to start an internet e-thug fight-- unlike most of your trolling fools -- I work a job that does not involve flipping burgers or living with my parents. This concludes my posting into this thread and I wish all you closed minded idiots good luck. Oh yeah you feel sooo brave then go out and race a few Hemi powered vehicles, trucks or cars and let me know how it works out for your JDM tight s13...

The End...
Hmmm where do I start. Let me see I am going to take you apart bit by bit.

First off on your earlier asinine comments. F1 is so much more technologically advanced than Nascar that Pruett who got to test a F1 car said it took more out of him than he thought possible.

Hmmm Carlos Montoya fails in F1 and goes to Nascar where he actually succeeds. Sounds like you do not need as much driving skill to go around in circles turning left at 200 mph vs going around a complicated road course at speeds in excess of 200 mph turning left and right.

Lets move on to the Renault comments , hmmm Renault builds shit cars. Thats why the Renault R5 Turbo dominated the unlimited classes(Group 4 and 5) of Pro Rally in the late 80's and early 90's. Hmm the launch control and the 6 speed dual clutch semi automatic with the lightening fast paddle shifter in the new GTR comes straight out of the Renault F1 car.
The same launch control that allowed the GTR to spank the Corvette Z06 and the Porsche 911 in a quarter mile run in Japan.

Oh and your comment about the Hemi Charger and the S13 hmmm I spanked one on the I5 in the central valley with a otherwise stock S13 with a RB25DET under the hood. How do you like them apples? I also have friends with S13 and S14 RB25DET powered cars that will willing spank your ass any day of the week.

Oh did I tell you how much the Japanese love Porsches and BMW's? Hmm you think they only like American cars? Well they do like American cars. VINTAGE Muscle cars from the 60's not most of the modern crap coming out of Detriot these days.

Ya New Mustangs are ok and New Corvettes are nice. Though in general their build quality is no where near a Japanese or European car. Nor is Chrysler or Dodge.

Now the funniest part for last . You say your not trying to start an internet fight but your first statement came right out of the gate in e thug internet fight style. You say you did not attack our cars? There are members on this forum that are 350Z owners your statements attacked their cars. There are other members running 350Z engines in their S chassis, thats attacking their cars.
A modern 350Z's engine and suspension owns a Z32. The car handles an performs like a sports car not a Sports GT. It also retails at the exact same price if not somewhat cheaper than a 1990 300zx.
Hmmm factoring in Inflation thats incrediable. Equal power as a 300zxTT out of a NA engine and a better engine at that. similiar weight yet handles like its 700lbs lighter. A much tighter nicer body design .
Hmmm no wonder Nissan has sold so damn many of them. Failure you say Nissan under Renault is a failure? The car is already being considered a future classic in Japan and this is straight from my friends in Tokyo.

In conclusion, you fail here and you fail hard and you started it. Now try being a man and eat a slice of humble pie and shut the fuck up.

[HemiCharger]

Hmmm where do I start. Let me see I am going to take you apart bit by bit.

First off on your earlier asinine comments. F1 is so much more technologically advanced than Nascar that Pruett who got to test a F1 car said it took more out of him than he thought possible.

Hmmm Carlos Montoya fails in F1 and goes to Nascar where he actually succeeds. Sounds like you do not need as much driving skill to go around in circles turning left at 200 mph vs going around a complicated road course at speeds in excess of 200 mph turning left and right.

Lets move on to the Renault comments , hmmm Renault builds shit cars. Thats why the Renault R5 Turbo dominated the unlimited classes(Group 4 and 5) of Pro Rally in the late 80's and early 90's. Hmm the launch control and the 6 speed dual clutch semi automatic with the lightening fast paddle shifter in the new GTR comes straight out of the Renault F1 car.
The same launch control that allowed the GTR to spank the Corvette Z06 and the Porsche 911 in a quarter mile run in Japan.

Oh and your comment about the Hemi Charger and the S13 hmmm I spanked one on the I5 in the central valley with a otherwise stock S13 with a RB25DET under the hood. How do you like them apples? I also have friends with S13 and S14 RB25DET powered cars that will willing spank your ass any day of the week.

Oh did I tell you how much the Japanese love Porsches and BMW's? Hmm you think they only like American cars? Well they do like American cars. VINTAGE Muscle cars from the 60's not most of the modern crap coming out of Detriot these days.

Ya New Mustangs are ok and New Corvettes are nice. Though in general their build quality is no where near a Japanese or European car. Nor is Chrysler or Dodge.

Now the funniest part for last . You say your not trying to start an internet fight but your first statement came right out of the gate in e thug internet fight style. You say you did not attack our cars? There are members on this forum that are 350Z owners your statements attacked their cars. There are other members running 350Z engines in their S chassis, thats attacking their cars.
A modern 350Z's engine and suspension owns a Z32. The car handles an performs like a sports car not a Sports GT. It also retails at the exact same price if not somewhat cheaper than a 1990 300zx.
Hmmm factoring in Inflation thats incrediable. Equal power as a 300zxTT out of a NA engine and a better engine at that. similiar weight yet handles like its 700lbs lighter. A much tighter nicer body design .
Hmmm no wonder Nissan has sold so damn many of them. Failure you say Nissan under Renault is a failure? The car is already being considered a future classic in Japan and this is straight from my friends in Tokyo.

In conclusion, you fail here and you fail hard and you started it. Now try being a man and eat a slice of humble pie and shut the fuck up.

Renault built the Le Car. That is enough for me and since you can not buy Renaults here why does anything you say matter.

Formula 1 is great racing - I like watching Indy lights and such. Maybe I am old skool but I loved my 96 300zx t-tops and styling a lot better than the new Nissan 350z/ g35 -- I test drove one before I bought the Charger and they were too small for me, but some I could see some really liking them. The question was would Dodge and Nissan coming together be of benefit to both companies and I would say YES. Nissan could give Dodge great 4 cylinder engines and Dodge could provide great engines for Nissan .. Imagine a Hemi powered 350z that would be something. Dodge is releasing the new Challenger SRT8 this year and I would imagine it will come stock with almost 500hosepower. That should be good enough to give the GTR a run for its money and the Challenger costs half the price.

I too and most of my family only drives Hondas and Nissans but go drive a Hemi powered Charger or Challenger and tell me that it would not get to you......

[k's_silvia2.0]

Heres the VQ making reliable 1800HP more than POS 1000HP

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RzppLAocnEA



^Why does the announcer say its a straight 6 turbo?

[drift freaq]

Renault built the Le Car. That is enough for me and since you can not buy Renaults here why does anything you say matter.

Formula 1 is great racing - I like watching Indy lights and such. Maybe I am old skool but I loved my 96 300zx t-tops and styling a lot better than the new Nissan 350z/ g35 -- I test drove one before I bought the Charger and they were too small for me, but some I could see some really liking them. The question was would Dodge and Nissan coming together be of benefit to both companies and I would say YES. Nissan could give Dodge great 4 cylinder engines and Dodge could provide great engines for Nissan .. Imagine a Hemi powered 350z that would be something. Dodge is releasing the new Challenger SRT8 this year and I would imagine it will come stock with almost 500hosepower. That should be good enough to give the GTR a run for its money and the Challenger costs half the price.

I too and most of my family only drives Hondas and Nissans but go drive a Hemi powered Charger or Challenger and tell me that it would not get to you......

Hmm anything I say matter? Facts, I state facts, thats what matters. You use the Renault Le Car as a your only example of Renault lol. They did there job. Heh and the R5 Turbo rally car was based on them and it was badass.

You speak of Formula one and in the same sentence you speak of Indy lights as if they are the same type of cars? Far from it. Beyond being single seater open wheeled cars they share no other similarities. Indy lights are childs play compared to F1 One cars.

Dodge give Nissan engines? Why would Japan's Premier sports type vehicle manufacturer number 2 car maker even need them. Nissan's Engines have been earning accolades and proving themselves to the automotive world for over 20 years.

Your statement about the New 500 HP Challenger giving a New GTR a run for its money? Keep on smoking that crack.
For being such a so called fan of Japanese cars you know little about the history and engines.
Dodge would be a extremely bad idea for Nissan. period.

Oh and I don't think I would like driving a big sled of car (The Challenger you so cherish). Some of us prefers cars that really handle and don't just go in a straight line fast.

Once again I will say this. You started this. Do your research or shut up because your losing here.

P.S. I guess you love being a glutton for punishment because you suck in the debate department. :rofl:

[Kn1ves]

^Why does the announcer say its a straight 6 turbo?

Cuz announcers are ignorant.

Or was one step behind, maybe they just found out about the Japanese I6 and thought thats the only thing from Japan that can make insane amounts of power. Too bad its a V6.

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

Hmm anything I say matter? Facts, I state facts, thats what matters. You use the Renault Le Car as a your only example of Renault lol. They did there job. Heh and the R5 Turbo rally car was based on them and it was badass.

You speak of Formula one and in the same sentence you speak of Indy lights as if they are the same type of cars? Far from it. Beyond being single seater open wheeled cars they share no other similarities. Indy lights are childs play compared to F1 One cars.

Dodge give Nissan engines? Why would Japan's Premier sports type vehicle manufacturer number 2 car maker even need them. Nissan's Engines have been earning accolades and proving themselves to the automotive world for over 20 years.

Your statement about the New 500 HP Challenger giving a New GTR a run for its money? Keep on smoking that crack.
For being such a so called fan of Japanese cars you know little about the history and engines.
Dodge would be a extremely bad idea for Nissan. period.

Oh and I don't think I would like driving a big sled of car (The Challenger you so cherish). Some of us prefers cars that really handle and don't just go in a straight line fast.

Once again I will say this. You started this. Do your research or shut up because your losing here.

P.S. I guess you love being a glutton for punishment because you suck in the debate department. :rofl:

:bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: :bowrofl: Dave u really let some angry knowlege out on this guy didn't you.... Funny shit... Don't argue with dave u will lose...

[HemiCharger]

Again by looking at some of the sig lines none of you all live in europe or france. Besides the Z/ G35 cars what other Nissan is made that you would drive? Surely not the Maxima, Altima Coupe, Versa, Rouge or what? They may bring back the Silvia but it will not be what it once was. I like Nissan and always have. I was driving Nissans while most of you were in grade school so I do not want to hear about how I do not know anything about Nissan.

Lets look at it on a model basis, They once had the pulsar GTIr, NX200/2000, 240sx/ Silvia, Skyline (different models not just GTR), 300zx/ fairlady Z, bluebird, sunny, sentra se-r......

Hell the 1993 Nissan NX2000, I bought new in 1993 only had 140 hp but could out corner vettes, porsches, and vipers back in its day and it was about 1/3 the money of those cars. You want facts then here you go. Nissan lost its soul when it went to Renault, they no longer make cars focused on young people (beside the Z). I knew when they aligned themselves with Renault that Nissan would never be the same.

It kills me how people always think the grass is greener on the other side only to find out that this is not always the case.

[98s14inaz]

you are fuckin stupid sir, Jeep 4X4's are bad ass. they are just straight bad ass for off road. 2nd of all my car is a chrisler its a Talon. and its a great fuckin car. might not be JDM drifter tight. but it does have a turbo. and a bullet proof bottom end. leather ac, and the cops can't give me shit about having a big ass turbo just chilling in my engine bay.

True statement. Their older stuff is decent, I will not deny that fact. You do need to admit that the quality has gone down significantly over the last decade. The current stuff is crap. How the hell do you ruin a jeep by stretching it and giving it four doors? I'm dying to see one of those high centered on some trail.

[Kn1ves]

Again by looking at some of the sig lines none of you all live in europe or france. Besides the Z/ G35 cars what other Nissan is made that you would drive? Surely not the Maxima, Altima Coupe, Versa, Rouge or what? They may bring back the Silvia but it will not be what it once was. I like Nissan and always have. I was driving Nissans while most of you were in grade school so I do not want to hear about how I do not know anything about Nissan.

Lets look at it on a model basis, They once had the pulsar GTIr, NX200/2000, 240sx/ Silvia, Skyline (different models not just GTR), 300zx/ fairlady Z, bluebird, sunny, sentra se-r......

Hell the 1993 Nissan NX2000, I bought new in 1993 only had 140 hp but could out corner vettes, porsches, and vipers back in its day and it was about 1/3 the money of those cars. You want facts then here you go. Nissan lost its soul when it went to Renault, they no longer make cars focused on young people (beside the Z). I knew when they aligned themselves with Renault that Nissan would never be the same.

It kills me how people always think the grass is greener on the other side only to find out that this is not always the case.

Are you still spewing shit out your mouth? Seriously?

With all those 'great' cars that you listed, Nissan went into bankruptcy.

Now they're making profit again. That alone shits on your whole argument against Renault.

[drift freaq]

Again by looking at some of the sig lines none of you all live in europe or france. Besides the Z/ G35 cars what other Nissan is made that you would drive? Surely not the Maxima, Altima Coupe, Versa, Rouge or what? They may bring back the Silvia but it will not be what it once was. I like Nissan and always have. I was driving Nissans while most of you were in grade school so I do not want to hear about how I do not know anything about Nissan.

Lets look at it on a model basis, They once had the pulsar GTIr, NX200/2000, 240sx/ Silvia, Skyline (different models not just GTR), 300zx/ fairlady Z, bluebird, sunny, sentra se-r......

Hell the 1993 Nissan NX2000, I bought new in 1993 only had 140 hp but could out corner vettes, porsches, and vipers back in its day and it was about 1/3 the money of those cars. You want facts then here you go. Nissan lost its soul when it went to Renault, they no longer make cars focused on young people (beside the Z). I knew when they aligned themselves with Renault that Nissan would never be the same.

It kills me how people always think the grass is greener on the other side only to find out that this is not always the case.

LOL living in Europe or France WTF. We are talking about whether Chrysler/Dodge would be a good partner for Nissan/Renault. Which most of us feel it would not.
Actually if you want to get down to brass tacks, I know members of this Forum that drive Maxima's and Maxima's are still fucking damn good cars. Altima coupe? The only mistake Nissan made with that car is putting the Altima badge on it here in the states. Otherwise its a great answer to the Scion TC.
Oh and the Versa? Well when it comes down to it. Its a class leader in HP and comfort compared to the Fit and Yaris. Actually I have seen a all Black Versa with blacked out wheels and it looked pretty tough for a subcompact.

Oh you were driving Nissans while most of us were in grade school? Well that argument does not work with me because I was driving Datsun 510's and 240Z's When you were 9 years old. I was modifying them as well. I even had my own Japanese engine and transmission company before the term JDM came into vogue. Ya I am that old.

Now lets move onto to your statement of the oh so glorious days of Nissan in the mid 90s. When they were stumbling towards bankruptcy because of poor marketing decisions, cost overruns and bad management.
Your great NX in the United States was a failure and ugly to boot. Both the 240sx and Sentra SER where terribly mismarketed out of fears and bad decisions. Your bloated and over luxoed Z32 was costing to much to build for the sake of ability to sell in the marketplace besides getting its ass handed to it in the Japanese home market by the 180sx. It just never sold as well as Nissan needed it to. The fear killed the potential sales of the 240sx besides dropping a engine in it that was underpowered for the ability of the chassis.
Now do you know why Nissan dropped the S series Silvia? It had to many cost overruns for the market price segment it was supposed to be in and the company was not able to sell it because it was to expensive in its market segment. Ever wounder why there are so few S14's they were pricey for what they were and did not sell well. The S13 only sold well in the first two years of production(in the U.S.Nissans biggest market) ditto the 300zx.
Thank god the 180sx and the S13 Silvia and was a success in Japan as well as the Skyline GTR.

Funny thing is the cars you lament as no longer being around, they still have. Infiniti is Nissan. Under the Infiniti badge Nissan has some awesome cars, hmmm M45, Q45,G35.
OH wait, in case you did not know the G35 is a Skyline. Oh wait in Japan they have the Cube and they are planning on bringing it here. Oh wait they still have Bluebirds and Sunny's in Japan.

Ok, Grass is greener on the other side. Thats a poor metaphor for this debate.

Fact is, Nissan today is profitable, Their cost overruns have been eliminated.
They are bringing out updated models that are nice. They may not float your boat but when it comes right down it they are good cars. Did you know the second gen Infiniti G20 was the second most reliable car ever tested by Consumer Reports? Ya 1999-2003.

Hmmm so you don't like the cars with VQ but you like cars with VG's lol. a fucking boat anchor engine vs a lightweight HP monster, engine.

I am sorry but there were Great Nissans before the 90's and they are and will be Great Nissans now. You base your arguement on your own personel taste and not actual facts about the company.

The company is healthier today than it was ever in the 90's. They did not lose their engine design tech or the their performance tech. They learned to cut out the excess product line that was unprofitable so they could build a profitable product line. The thing you don't know is even though There is Renault tech in Nissans, Nissan's Sports car and Performance tech has eeked into Renault products. Formula Renault is based of Nissan engines. Champ cars run Nissan V8's. Formula 2 uses Nissan engines. Nissan engines were used in other Formula series as well.

Ghosn has done a bang up job of saving the company you so love. So before you go dissing Renault aka biting the hand that feeds. Maybe you should just kill yourself.

Like I said before you seem to just enjoy being a glutton for punishment.

[exitspeed]

Wow. Just wow. I missed out on this whole thing. I could go on for days, but like normal, Mr. Drift Freaq sums shit up real nice. So I'll touch on the deal between Nissan and Chrysler,

Chrysler is in SHAMBLES right now. BESIDES the Charger and 300C they have a terrible portfolio. Go search for my "Industry" thread to read further.

Did you know that the Hemi is going bye-bye again? Yea, that's right. It's being replaced by a V6. Co-President Jim Press has declared, "The Hemi is not the powertrain of the future.".

With that being said, Nissan teaming up with Chrysler to build a full-size truck is a brilliant idea. The new Tundra has sold well, but not well enough. And Toyota still hasn't been able to engineer a heavy Duty truck. If this deal goes together Nissan will the first Import brand to be able to offer a real heavy duty full-size truck. It still won't outsell the Tundra, but at least they'll have a valid competitor. The Titan only sold 65,746 units last yea, but a deal like this I can see making a huge impact and maybe even matching that of the Tundra's 196,555 units. It's also smart for Chrysler. They were number 4 last year and the more they can spread the truck out the more profitable it will be.

[drift freaq]

Wow. Just wow. I missed out on this whole thing. I could go on for days, but like normal, Mr. Drift Freaq sums shit up real nice. So I'll touch on the deal between Nissan and Chrysler,

Chrysler is in SHAMBLES right now. BESIDES the Charger and 300C they have a terrible portfolio. Go search for my "Industry" thread to read further.

Did you know that the Hemi is going bye-bye again? Yea, that's right. It's being replaced by a V6. Co-President Jim Press has declared, "The Hemi is not the powertrain of the future.".

With that being said, Nissan teaming up with Chrysler to build a full-size truck is a brilliant idea. The new Tundra has sold well, but not well enough. And Toyota still hasn't been able to engineer a heavy Duty truck. If this deal goes together Nissan will the first Import brand to be able to offer a real heavy duty full-size truck. It still won't outsell the Tundra, but at least they'll have a valid competitor. The Titan only sold 65,746 units last yea, but a deal like this I can see making a huge impact and maybe even matching that of the Tundra's 196,555 units. It's also smart for Chrysler. They were number 4 last year and the more they can spread the truck out the more profitable it will be.

Now, this is the first arguement for a Chrysler/Dodge , Nissan/Renault arrangement that has any facts, on the Chrysler side in it and poses decent points.
Maybe if Mr Hemicharger had posted facts, rather than opinions, I might not have had to take him to school repeatedly.

Funny how someone mentioned earlier about how bad things were that even Mercedes could not correct it and Mr HemiCharger ignored it.

Though I will say Mel, the Titan was applauded in the heavy duty truck world for being as good as it is. It was considered a class leader.

P.S. I have nothing against Dodge trucks they have been badass back in the day and still are one of the few shinning star parts of that company.

[picho]

haha i got the best of both world a high hpower sr s13 an a bad ass mr e46 to speak for me.

[drift freaq]

haha i got the best of both world a high hpower sr s13 an a bad ass mr e46 to speak for me.

Picho, stop posting off topic stuff, Mr spoiled. LOL :D

Oh wait don't I hear a RB calling your name in the background?

[exitspeed]

Now, this is the first arguement for a Chrysler/Dodge , Nissan/Renault arrangement that has any facts, on the Chrysler side in it and poses decent points.
Maybe if Mr Hemicharger had posted facts, rather than opinions, I might not have had to take him to school repeatedly.

Funny how someone mentioned earlier about how bad things were that even Mercedes could not correct it and Mr HemiCharger ignored it.

Though I will say Mel, the Titan was applauded in the heavy duty truck world for being as good as it is. It was considered a class leader.

P.S. I have nothing against Dodge trucks they have been badass back in the day and still are one of the few shinning star parts of that company.

Yea, I should have clerified, I meant the super heavy duty line of trucks, ie dullies that they have not been able to compete with. None of the Japanese brands have been able to pull it off. Toyota and Nissan are both scratching their heads right now. Nissan looks like their done scratchin and have a good solution...partner with Chrysler.

I LOVE the Titan. IMO, best looking truck on the market. Now, add the Rams underpinings and you have an absolute winner IMO. Like I said, it could easily outsell the Tundy.

But here's where I'm mostly torn. As BA as a Titan/Ram would be for Nissan, I think they need to bow out of this race entirely. With the new CAFE regulations, I think them pursuing this is a bad idea. It's only going to totally pull down their average fleet MPG in the wrong direction.

Quote me on this...mid-small size pick-ups are the wave of the future for the US. I know, sounds nuts right now. But see what happens in 5 years. ;) 30mpg boxy ass pick-ups are gonna be the new black.

[drift freaq]

Yea, I should have clerified, I meant the super heavy duty line of trucks, ie dullies that they have not been able to compete with. None of the Japanese brands have been able to pull it off. Toyota and Nissan are both scratching their heads right now. Nissan looks like their done scratchin and have a good solution...partner with Chrysler.

I LOVE the Titan. IMO, best looking truck on the market. Now, add the Rams underpinings and you have an absolute winner IMO. Like I said, it could easily outsell the Tundy.

But here's where I'm mostly torn. As BA as a Titan/Ram would be for Nissan, I think they need to bow out of this race entirely. With the new CAFE regulations, I think them pursuing this is a bad idea. It's only going to totally pull their average fleet MPG in the wrong direction.

Quote me on this...mid-small size pick-ups are the wave of the future for the US. I know, sounds nuts right now. But see what happens in 5 years. ;) 30mpg boxy ass pick-ups are gonna be the new black.

You know what Mel? Your probably right on that. America loves its pickups always has always will.
I do agree going up segment into super heavy duty trucks is a bad idea at this time.

[exitspeed]

You know what Mel? Your probably right on that. America loves its pickups always has always will.
I do agree going up segment into super heavy duty trucks is a bad idea at this time.

Also, the manufacturers have no choice but to pursue other routes for truck design other then...GIANT. The mid-Size pick-up segment has been all but ignored over the last 10 years because of the focus on the Full-Sizers (where th money has been). Well that money is shrinking. There has to be a shift (no pun intended) in consumer demand, and that shift will come when the manufactures start saying, "Hey, we just can't built that any more". Shit, it's gonna happen sooner then later too. Take for instance the ZR1, CTSV, new Viper...those are it. Those are going to be the last generation of huge HP American supercar monsters we're gonna see. The C7 Vette is going to a totally different animal. Like a vette, Elise-ised.

[kingkilburn]

I didn't think intelligent discussion was possible in this thread. lol

[ThatGuy]

Thank you Dave and Mel for reviving this failing thread.

You insight, facts, and wisdom have made this thread worth actually reading.

:bow: :bow:

[HemiCharger]

Wow. Just wow. I missed out on this whole thing. I could go on for days, but like normal, Mr. Drift Freaq sums shit up real nice. So I'll touch on the deal between Nissan and Chrysler,

Chrysler is in SHAMBLES right now. BESIDES the Charger and 300C they have a terrible portfolio. Go search for my "Industry" thread to read further.

Did you know that the Hemi is going bye-bye again? Yea, that's right. It's being replaced by a V6. Co-President Jim Press has declared, "The Hemi is not the powertrain of the future.".

With that being said, Nissan teaming up with Chrysler to build a full-size truck is a brilliant idea. The new Tundra has sold well, but not well enough. And Toyota still hasn't been able to engineer a heavy Duty truck. If this deal goes together Nissan will the first Import brand to be able to offer a real heavy duty full-size truck. It still won't outsell the Tundra, but at least they'll have a valid competitor. The Titan only sold 65,746 units last yea, but a deal like this I can see making a huge impact and maybe even matching that of the Tundra's 196,555 units. It's also smart for Chrysler. They were number 4 last year and the more they can spread the truck out the more profitable it will be.


The Hemi is not going no where it is due for an upgrade with VVT and special engine control 25-30 mpg just might be possible -- I have gotten up to 25 mpg in my Charger.

check out --
http://www.allpar.com/cars/dodge/challenger.html

Yes Dodge trucks are bad as I just saw a little red express sell for 50 grand on Barrett Jackson. Nissan had some cool cars and maybe I am more fond of them from my childhood. Hell the 240sx s14 96 I just bought is so clean I am almost afraid to put an sr20 in it. I might find a 90-93 model to throw one in it. The 510 is a nice car to and I have seen some of them tricked out. The cool thing about past Nissan's especially those brought over here was most of them had T-tops standard. My NX kinda looked like an egg but it was not ugly and it had an SR20de only image what it could do with a turbo version of that engine. You are right I was expressing my opinion on past Nissan products and applying it to what they make today. If Nissan could bring back certain cars and make T-tops along with turbos standard on their new Z maybe it would peak my interest more instead of just making a stripped out basic sports car. I guess that is why the 300 had ZX behind it and the 350 just has a Z. The X added the extra luxury items that I liked so much in the older Nissans.

[exitspeed]

The Hemi is not going no where it is due for an upgrade with VVT and special engine control 25-30 mpg just might be possible -- I have gotten up to 25 mpg in my Charger.


It may not be going anywhere in the NEAR future, but the freaking VP said it's out. That was not a rumor. He SAID IT.


Yes Dodge trucks are bad as I just saw a little red express sell for 50 grand on Barrett Jackson. Nissan had some cool cars and maybe I am more fond of them from my childhood. Hell the 240sx s14 96 I just bought is so clean I am almost afraid to put an sr20 in it. I might find a 90-93 model to throw one in it. The 510 is a nice car to and I have seen some of them tricked out. The cool thing about past Nissan's especially those brought over here was most of them had T-tops standard. My NX kinda looked like an egg but it was not ugly and it had an SR20de only image what it could do with a turbo version of that engine. You are right I was expressing my opinion on past Nissan products and applying it to what they make today. If Nissan could bring back certain cars and make T-tops along with turbos standard on their new Z maybe it would peak my interest more instead of just making a stripped out basic sports car. I guess that is why the 300 had ZX behind it and the 350 just has a Z. The X added the extra luxury items that I liked so much in the older Nissans.

I don't get why you keep bringing up Nissan's history? We all know about that. You're not wowing us with your attempted history class.

This thread is about Nissan and Chrysler making sweet truck love. Try and stay on topic.

[KrazyKyle]

Chrysler will have their version of the Versa sedan that will only be sold in South America. This year the Nissan Smyrna plant will be producing a king cab frontier that will be badged as the Suzuki Equator.

[a_ahmed]

corvette+skyline gtr = awesome haha

I want to put an ls1 already in my 240... im ahead of the game :P

LS7 + awd/techy gizmos of a gtr = win

[ThatGuy]

Ummm, Corvette is GM, not Chysler.

You knew that though right? Just decided to add to the conversation with whatever came to mind?

[exitspeed]

corvette+skyline gtr = awesome haha

I want to put an ls1 already in my 240... im ahead of the game :P

LS7 + awd/techy gizmos of a gtr = win

People have been putting ls1'is in 240's for years. :ugh:

Hence the V8 FAQ section... #/f//showthread.php?t=105615

[racepar1]

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NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! BAD NISSAN! :spank: Chrysler products are the biggest pieces of shit on the market!

nissan should team up with BMW just because of the fact that the M3 is ballin and their cars look a whole lot better then nissan... we need a 325i at a altima price...

BMW's may look nice, but they're over-complicated and over-priced. Do you know that the 6 series has 70 ONBOARD COMPUTERS, and they all communicate with eachother. I got that info straight from a BMW rep's mouth. I'd rather drive a fucking hyundai! At least when it breaks down I can afford to fix it!

[ryguy]

I work at a Dodge-Chrysler-Jeep dealership. I drive cars from dealership to dealership, trips that cover hundreds of miles, so I have a little bit of experience driving Chrysler products. The majority of Chrysler products are complete garbage. Take for instance the shittiest car in Chrysler's lineup- the Dodge Avenger. I have never driven such a poorly manufactured car. Never before or since had I ridden in a car new car that was so squeaky, and yes, it was a 2008. The radio (which was nice because it had Sirius, like all new Chryslers) couldnt even go loud enough to drown out the squeaking that was coming from inside the dash. That wasnt the only problem with the car. It was slow. REAL slow. Any Chrysler product that has a base engine is slow. Slow, boring engines sitting in cars that cant even DREAM of handling like a Japanese sedan. Two weeks ago I drove a 300C and a 2007 Camry in the same day. The Camry handled unbelievably better than the 300C.

I think people tend to overlook the flaws of Jeeps because they accept them for what they are- Jeeps. They are simple trucks. They are rugged and brash and people love them for that. Lets not go comparing them to anything else. I will say, however, that on the manual Wranglers that 6th gear is completely useless. The car will not hold its speed in 6th; this should have been addressed by Chrysler before it was put into production. Oh, one more complaint about Jeep. I have delievered TWO Jeep Libertys that had a problem with their indicator lights on the dash. They would light up completely ramdomly for about a second at a time, just short enough to make me think I was going nuts. Sometimes it was accompanied with one short warning chime. I dont know about you but I dont think a new car should do that.

There is one car, however, that I had nothing but good things to say about. I even recommended it to a family friend who was in the market for a car. The Dodge Caliber, aside from looking not-so-handsome, is one damn good car. Tight, solid construction, a nice 6 speed manual, decent engine, and an interior that REALLY impressed me. Lets hope this is a sign of things to come from Chrysler.

Oh, and one last thing. I have delivered both a Silverado 3500HD Double Cab Extended Bed Turbo Diesel and a Ram 3500 Double Cab Extended Bed Cummins Turbo Diesel and I would take the Silverado over it hands down any day. Everything about the Silverado just felt better than the Ram.

P.S. the owner of the Chrysler dealership owns and drives two GMs. He doesnt own a Chrysler. What does that tell you?

[Antihero983]

P.S. the owner of the Chrysler dealership owns and drives two GMs. He doesnt own a Chrysler. What does that tell you?


so? i work at a subaru dealership, and the owner has a jeep wrangler, and his wife has a brand new mustand convertible and a toyota Sienna. is because subaru sucks? hardly. its because subie doesnt make a minivan, the owner has always loved jeep wranglers, and the wifey wanted a girl car.

i agree with most of everything else you put there though, but that last bit doesn't prove anything.

[racepar1]

so? i work at a subaru dealership, and the owner has a jeep wrangler, and his wife has a brand new mustand convertible and a toyota Sienna. is because subaru sucks? hardly. its because subie doesnt make a minivan, the owner has always loved jeep wranglers, and the wifey wanted a girl car.

i agree with most of everything else you put there though, but that last bit doesn't prove anything.


Ya but chrysler DOES make a version of whatever GM products he and his family are driving and he could have gotten the chrysler versions for a DEEEEEEEEPPPPPPP discount. That tells me that he doesn't trust the products he sells, there is no bigger quality statement then that.

[Antihero983]

when you phrase it like that, i agree.

[HemiCharger]

I pretty much stopped posting here due to the lack of information and the blasted inaccurate opinions of idiots on this board. My boss owns a Dodge dealership and does not even drive a dodge - dodge sucks blah blah blah ---

I have owned Honda, Nissan and have a s14 zenki right now along with an 07 hemi charger. Dodge's new Charger and Challenger are great cars even if you personally do not like them. I get within 5 mpg in my Charger with MDS as I do with my s14 ka24de and the Charger has 340 hp and 390 ft lbs of torque. Ok I guess you are right they are not the street Hemi warrior engines from the late 60s to early 70s but it is faster than 99 percent of the cars on the road. It has autostick is well optioned and is a pure blast to drive. Charger Super Bees, Challenger Trans Am, SRT 8s they are all making a come back. How long they will be in the market remains to be seen.

This I work at a dealership that sells Dodge and they really suck blah blah blah crap is for the birds. Who cares if they do not drive them. I have almost 15000 miles on my 07 Charger and have had no major issues. The 6 speed SRT4 Caliber is co engineered with Mitsu/ Hyundai and they are good cars as well. The quality issues remain the be seen but I have been very happy with my car.

You can neg rep me all you want but I did not see any facts posted on here as to why people think Dodge sucks so bad. I have seen opinions stated as facts and biased based junk on those cars. I have never owned a Dodge product before my Charger but I assure you it outperforms Lexus, BMW, and Infiniti products as far as quality and speed. Oh and I test drove the 3 series BMW, Lexus IS, and Inf, G35 and none of them are as impressive as the Hemi Charger. It may be a redneck car, loud and in your face but cars costing twice as much can not hold a candle to it. It may be the king of its class right now and other car markers are scrambling to market with more powerful engines to compete.

You all can neg rep me all you want but it does not change you opinions then please by all means go and test drive an SRT8 Challenger and then come back here and tell everyone how much it sucks as you are buying as much performance as a viper for a fraction of the cost. The only ones that are misinformed are the peps on this thread bashing cars and a car company which is the backbone of americana.

[articdragon192]

I've driven several on a constant basis, from the Charger to the 300C to the Magnum in SRT8 forms. The interior isn't that great. it's nice, but not up to par to say a 5 series. Are they fast? Hell yeah, but cars aren't all about speed.

[HemiCharger]

I've driven several on a constant basis, from the Charger to the 300C to the Magnum in SRT8 forms. The interior isn't that great. it's nice, but not up to par to say a 5 series. Are they fast? Hell yeah, but cars aren't all about speed.


the interiors are not that great I will give you that but at the BMW dealership I drove several 325is and 328is and while they were very well optioned up cars -- they seemed weak compared to Hemi powered cars and one of the bimmers had less than 30 thousand miles on it and died before I could get it out of the dealership parking lot.

Diamler Benz was a great fit with Chrysler however they could not make it work right. Maybe the equity firm owning them will be better but it was with Benz technology that allowed Chrysler to make chargers and challengers again. The verdict is still out on the quality of the cars but I tell you that premium luxury cars feel weak compared to the LX Hemi powered cars. BMW has since come up with the 6 series and the new 330 which I am sure are better cars but cost about 30-40 percent more than the Dodges.

[articdragon192]

Have you tried the 335i coupe? The other 3 series cars are weak compared to it. Anyways, back to some Chrysler Nissan truck making love stuff.

[ryguy]

We have not given you facts? Here's a fact. THE AVENGER RATTLES LIKE A MOFO AND THE BUILD QUALITY WAS HORRIBLE. What more do you want than that? It is a fact. I even praised the Caliber. My review didnt seem biased at all.

[racepar1]

All chrysler products have computer problems. Most chrysler products have cooling system problems. Almost all chrysler products have tranny problems. Almost all chrysler products are rattly, squeaky, pieces of crap. Almost no chrysler products do well in any performance categories. These are the facts mr hemicharger.

[Antihero983]

^^speaking of chrysler ECU issues...

remember back in the day when the caravan first came out? lol the placed the ECU in such a bad place in the engine bay, it would get covered in salt and sand and other road debris and literally rot out!!!

i think no matter what we say, hemicharger will still blindly defend chrysler corp......

and btw, the viper is dead by 2011.

[HemiCharger]

My Charger does have some rattle issues especially on cold mornings but when it warms up that goes away. Plus I do not think the Lexus IS300 that I smoked was worried about rattles probably that he just got smoked by a 4500 lb tank of a car. I agree with everyone here that past Chrysler and Dodge products are crap. They sure are but in 50 years do you think you will ever see a JDM/ Euro Skyline GTR run through Barrett Jackson for a million bucks or so. I highly doubt it. Go buy a car and driver or car book review and take a look at it. The Charger may not be a world beater as far as quality but customer satisfaction is through the roof. Lets look at domestic cars that it competes with i.e. Caprice, Malibu, Marquis, Ford 500. It is far better than those cars and is priced in line with them.

Again I looked at a lot of domestic and import cars before I went and laid my money down. I could not find a car as comfortable, affordable, and as performance oriented for the money. Past may be an indication of future performance but as of right now the past quality issues that Chrysler has faced is a thing of the past.

Back on topic, Dodge trucks are good and always have been back to the RamCharger days. Nissan and Chrysler would be a great pairing in that Chrysler could supply larger Hemi derived engines to power Nissan's larger full size trucks and Chrysler could get cars such as the Versa to increase their CAFE numbers so they can continue to build 400-500 hp Chargers and Challengers.

does not look like junk to me...

http://www.dodge.com/en/2008/challenger/

[exitspeed]

Back on topic, Dodge trucks are good and always have been back to the RamCharger days. Nissan and Chrysler would be a great pairing in that Chrysler could supply larger Hemi derived engines to power Nissan's larger full size trucks and Chrysler could get cars such as the Versa to increase their CAFE numbers so they can continue to build 400-500 hp Chargers and Challengers.


I believe Nissan will use their own powerplant. They have plenty of capable engines to use. Their 5.4 is a monster. I think just the actual platform of the Ram will be used. That's just my theory.

[Antihero983]

um exitspeed? its a 5.6 not a 5.4.......

[exitspeed]

um exitspeed? its a 5.6 not a 5.4.......

Oh yea, my bad. I knew that. :hsdance:

[racepar1]

Back on topic, Dodge trucks are good and always have been back to the RamCharger days. Nissan and Chrysler would be a great pairing in that Chrysler could supply larger Hemi derived engines to power Nissan's larger full size trucks and Chrysler could get cars such as the Versa to increase their CAFE numbers so they can continue to build 400-500 hp Chargers and Challengers.

does not look like junk to me...

http://www.dodge.com/en/2008/challenger/

Actually the ONLY thing about dodge trucks that is good is the cummins turbo diesel engines and the DANA rear ends. The trannies SUCK! PERIOD! Trust me I worked as a transmission tech for a few years. The fit and finish of their interior is marginal at best and their gasoline engines are average. The 2 best trannies on the market today (for trucks) are the 4L80-E's and the alison's, bot of which come in GM's trucks.

[HemiCharger]

Oh yea, my bad. I knew that. :hsdance:

yeah but it does make you wonder where all this is going since the 5.6 liter titan has like 320 hp or so and the new Dodge has like 390 hp. Dodge's main goal I believe is to out do all other manufacturers by 10-20 percent in horsepower numbers. The winner of the Daytona 500 of course a Dodge Charger-- Alltel Car.....

[Rogue240sx]

Jesus fucking christ it's a partnership not a merger what's the big fucking deal?

Nissan might want a diesel and dodge might want a small 4 cylinder engine. Nissan could use some pointers on heavy duty 4x4 chassis and dodge could certainly use some help on passenger car suspension.

Why is everyone so pissed off here? the worst that would happen is a few new models pop up. if they suck the co-op will fade and they'll go their separate ways. Not a huge deal although the CARB (read that as "half assed attempt to control pollution") problem does suck i don't think it'll be that bad of a hit against Nissan and it could only help Mopar.


edit: not to be a bigot but there isn't much difference manufacture to manufacturer do to the overly strict regulations in Nascar. The only thing really different is the engines and they're limited in power anyway. Manufacturers don't really have a pull there it's more of the individual teams that depict if a car has what it takes to win in Nascar.

[ryguy]

edit: not to be a bigot but there isn't much difference manufacture to manufacturer do to the overly strict regulations in Nascar. The only thing really different is the engines and they're limited in power anyway. Manufacturers don't really have a pull there it's more of the individual teams that depict if a car has what it takes to win in Nascar.

Exactly, I dont know what kind of argument you're trying to make there. Now especially with the Car of Tomorrow the manufacturer makes no difference. All the bodies are identical. And it's not like the Nascar Charger and the stock Charger share any single part. Did you watch the race? Toyota dominated it (as much as that sickens me). The two Dodges caught a lucky break on the last lap. Teamwork was the only reason that a Dodge was in victory lane instead of a Toyota. But either way, thats completely irrelavent to anything.

[exitspeed]

Well we can put this discussion to bed. Ghosn says we're in recession.


n an interview at the Geneva Auto Show, Carlos Ghosn, CEO of Renault-Nissan, strongly stated that he is not seeking any key alliance with American carmaker Chrysler. “We have an OE deal. Period,” Ghosn said, “I don’t want you to think there’s more in this.” Nissan is currently in an agreement with Chrysler to supply its Versa sedan for sale in South America.

“The U.S. is in recession. We are very cautious,” he said, but also stated, “We are going to continue to do deals with everybody when they make sense,” presumably putting any major alliance plans on hold until the U.S. economy takes a turn for the better.

Ghosn also spoke of Renault-Nissan’s plans for Avtovaz, their new Russian partner, of which they own a 25% stake, according to Detroit Free Press. He also spoke on plans to revise the entire line up, but added that Avtovaz could also produce Nissan or Renault vehicles too. This might prove to be a big boost for Avtovaz’s leading brand, Lada, which is in need of new platforms, equipment and drivetrains. “Russian car sales may surpass Germany to become Europe’s largest single market this year,” he said.

Renault, meanwhile, is working on moving slightly upscale with the help of Korean partner Samsung. Also in the pipeline is a luxury crossover for 2010.

[HemiCharger]

Well we can put this discussion to bed. Ghosn says we're in recession.


n an interview at the Geneva Auto Show, Carlos Ghosn, CEO of Renault-Nissan, strongly stated that he is not seeking any key alliance with American carmaker Chrysler. “We have an OE deal. Period,” Ghosn said, “I don’t want you to think there’s more in this.” Nissan is currently in an agreement with Chrysler to supply its Versa sedan for sale in South America.

“The U.S. is in recession. We are very cautious,” he said, but also stated, “We are going to continue to do deals with everybody when they make sense,” presumably putting any major alliance plans on hold until the U.S. economy takes a turn for the better.

Ghosn also spoke of Renault-Nissan’s plans for Avtovaz, their new Russian partner, of which they own a 25% stake, according to Detroit Free Press. He also spoke on plans to revise the entire line up, but added that Avtovaz could also produce Nissan or Renault vehicles too. This might prove to be a big boost for Avtovaz’s leading brand, Lada, which is in need of new platforms, equipment and drivetrains. “Russian car sales may surpass Germany to become Europe’s largest single market this year,” he said.

Renault, meanwhile, is working on moving slightly upscale with the help of Korean partner Samsung. Also in the pipeline is a luxury crossover for 2010.

looks as if somebody or something changed his mind pretty quickly...

see bottom of article

http://www.autoblog.com/2008/04/14/breaking-chrysler-and-nissan-announce-major-supply-agreements/

[exitspeed]

^


I LOVE the Titan. IMO, best looking truck on the market. Now, add the Rams underpinings and you have an absolute winner IMO. Like I said, it could easily outsell the Tundy.


^
I was not one of the people that disagreed with the merger. Try to know what you are talking about before you open your mouth. It makes you look like an ass.