Speed Trial USA Buttonwillow event... Sunday, Dec. 16... GRIP!...

[Nikeboy355]

http://www.speedtrialusa.com/buttonwillow.html

SpeedTrial USA
Sunday
December 16th
$160 (Very cheap for Buttonwillow)
Beginner to Advanced run groups
Configuration 1 CW (very similar to 13 CW)

http://www.speedtrialusa.com/buttonwillow/race_01_config.gif

I'm going to be there with my silver 240sx... Anyone else going?

[hijack3d]

Might go, with Daryl and everyone, Nit... I might go.

[Aoshi112]

damn it! I was going to go to this but my clutch is slipping. :(

[azndummie]

ill be there in the white kouki s14, what group are u running in?

[tacotacotaco]

Ill be out in a black fastback. Theres a good number of 240's rolling from irvine.

[Nikeboy355]

ill be there in the white kouki s14, what group are u running in?
I'll be running in Advanced but if it's too fast I'm going to drop down to Intermediate...

Looks like there will be a couple of us going... That's tight...

I'm going to drive up on Saturday evening... Rooms are only $38.95 for the night at the Super 8 Motel...

[tacotacotaco]

there are 7 240's and 1 s15 that i know of that will be out there. Should be fun.

[steve shadows]

Yep :aw: :aw:

Diff is blown but I will have to make due

[Nikeboy355]

Diff is blown but I will have to make due
JPR Motor in South El Monte (626-575-8199) has a couple of S13 VLSD pumpkins sitting there for $250 each and there was a guy in Riverside selling a J30 VLSD for $150 in the Classifieds...

[Nikeboy355]

there are 7 240's and 1 s15 that i know of that will be out there. Should be fun.
Hell yeah...

I'll be there with two S2000s, a K20 EG, and a DC2 Type R...

Some serious late night track prep going on right now... This is going to be fun...

http://nitinj.com/Images/240SX2/2IMG_0116.JPG

[tacotacotaco]

Nice last track event we put together my car over the span of 2 all nighters. There should be a good crowd of itr's coming out. this is gonna be pretty damn fun.

[Daryl]

I'm glad to see more Silvia enthusiasts up for grip driving. You guys really have potential with that light weight chassis. What run groups is everyone running in? I'll be in Group A (Advance). I know there will be plenty of my FF buddies there this Sunday.

[steve shadows]

I might be in advance...

450 whp should be interesting

cheap tires and weakening diff though


I'll be there with two S2000s, a K20 EG, and a DC2 Type R...

Some serious late night track prep going on right now... This is going to be fun...



I am just changing the oil and filling her up with pump gas :)

[UNITEDMASTER]

there are 7 240's and 1 s15 that i know of that will be out there. Should be fun.


Well this is where all the 240 GRIP people are runing, with STUSA. I will make sure to put select STUSA events on the calender for 08. See ya at the track:bigok:

[tacotacotaco]

2008 looks to be a great year for grip racing and s-chassis. Most of us from the irvine group are just about finished with building up our brakes and suspension so no more real excuses. Push as hard as we can N/A and maybe start looking for some power. So Nitin hopefully well be seeing a lot of each other at the track.

[MomentumGT]

2008 looks to be a great year for grip racing and s-chassis. Most of us from the irvine group are just about finished with building up our brakes and suspension so no more real excuses. Push as hard as we can N/A and maybe start looking for some power. So Nitin hopefully well be seeing a lot of each other at the track.

Hopefully these s chasis will join us in NASA ST2 class this coming year as its lonely being the only 240 mixed in with ferrari's, evos, etc... Wish I could go to this event but the race car is still in pieces. Have fun and stay safe.

-Jon

[jayesone]

hey nit, hit me up, I might need your help hooking up this meter. I might be able to hit up the track too.

[Nikeboy355]

Hell yeah... '08 will be a great year for S-chassis cars...

I'm also working with the guys who put these events on to give us a DISCOUNT if we can get a group going... I'll let you guys know if I can get us a deal...

For sure I'll be going to every Buttonwillow event next year...

If you guys have pics of your cars and the significant mods... Post them up...

http://nitinj.com/Images/IMG_6564.JPG

Stock KA24DE
KTS coilovers
Bridgestone RE01-R tires
VLSD
Carbotech XP10 brake pads

2:14 (Config 13CW)

and here are the other cars coming with me...

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2:05 (Config 13CW)

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2:15 (Config 13CW)

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2:05 (Config 13CW)

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2:12 (Config 13CW)

[Jung918]

Tight. We got reservations at motel 6. It is like $30 for a room with 2 queen size beds.
I got got some more people to go. a mini cooper and a s2k.

[Daryl]

I might be in advance...

450 whp should be interesting

cheap tires and weakening diff though


I am just changing the oil and filling her up with pump gas :)
Damn! You have over 200whp more than I do and probably close to 250lbs of more torque ahhaah. You're going to be carrying tons of speed entering the Esses!

[kognition]

Word, my shizzles in pizizles too. Otherwise i'd go.
Hopefully these s chasis will join us in NASA ST2 class this coming year as its lonely being the only 240 mixed in with ferrari's, evos, etc... Wish I could go to this event but the race car is still in pieces. Have fun and stay safe.

-Jon

[steve shadows]

click the link in my sig

It's lower than that now by about 1.2 inches :)

I think the car wieghs 2750 with me in it and a full tank

I will probably rig up some ducting for the brakes, already have a custum duct I made for air to to get to the turbo.

The car made 400whp on pump at 18, I might run 20 psi and 91 with a touch of 111 mix though ;) we shall see

It's my first event in the car at a large track

[UNITEDMASTER]

Hopefully these s chasis will join us in NASA ST2 class this coming year as its lonely being the only 240 mixed in with ferrari's, evos, etc... Wish I could go to this event but the race car is still in pieces. Have fun and stay safe.

-Jon
Hello I have had my eye on the classing in NASA for us that have SR20s. Im looking to do the Enduro at Big Willow later in the year . Where in the charts do you usually finish, & qualify IMO it will be real tough to be at the top of the charts in ST2 (depending on what cars show up) & for enduros SRs will be in unlimited (ES)

:2f2f: .

[ZodiacSR]

Wow!! Finally a large group of 240's are going to the track and I won't be able to make it! (Going out of the country)

Hopefully theres a large turnout and this stays consistent into next year for me to join up with you guys!

Have fun and stay safe everyone. :2f2f:

[tacotacotaco]

ka24de 250k+running strong
Jim Wolf Ecu
Hks Hipower
Spl tension ruca traction toe
nismo powerbrace
r32 gt-r brakes endless ss-s pads all around
z32 tt brake booster
235 40 17 fed 595ss
245 40 18 fed 595ss

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[steve shadows]

I am running RT615 on 17x8s

235 40 17 front
255 40 17 rear

once they get hot I do have some traction in 2nd exit accel haha


http://a100.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/107/l_94007f43513d126393de9620d29e80d3.jpg

I really do need R-comps though

Which s15 going? Is Paul planning on suprising everyone? lurking? haha

[Nikeboy355]

http://nitinj.com/Images/Other/Ready.JPG

I'm all ready to go except for an alignment tomorrow...

So tomorrow I have to:
1. Get an alignment
2. Go to the Aspec Garage Sale
3. Go to the SP Engineering Dyno Day (I might dyno for fun)
4. Work from 4-8:30 PM in Beverly Hills
5. Then drive out to the cheap Buttonwillow motel

See you guys early Sunday morning...

[mehsilvia]

Got out of a Christmas Party - So ill see you guys out there!

We setting up a Zilvia pit or somethin?

Im driving straight up with the Taco & Trailer so if i dont see some of you there first, look for me.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t282/mehsilvia/Exterior/Daytona/IMG_2038.jpg

[kognition]

If i can get all my housework done today, i will be out there in the morning to take pictures. :)

[Jung918]

If i can get all my housework done today, i will be out there in the morning to take pictures. :)

should I bring my g-string?

[MomentumGT]

Hello I have had my eye on the classing in NASA for us that have SR20s. Im looking to do the Enduro at Big Willow later in the year . Where in the charts do you usually finish, & qualify IMO it will be real tough to be at the top of the charts in ST2 (depending on what cars show up) & for enduros SRs will be in unlimited (ES)

:2f2f: .

We do enduros just to do them and we've only done them twice, a 3 hr and 25hr. We haven't had much luck, the 3hr enduro our turbo went out within the first hr so we DNF'd. The 25 hr we threw a rod so we also DNF'd :loco:. With that being said that was the last time the car was in one piece so we're gearing up for a strong showing next season...hopefully. lol.

As far as finishing in the charts in ST2 we ended the races in 1st place for the first 4 races, Cali Speedway & Big Willow. At Cali Speedway we got lapped once in the race by Johnny Pag's Challenge Stradale but he lost a water pump so we ended up winning :keke:. We also had help with the American Iron guys as they slowed down everyone else. lol. Then came the enduro's...after that we packed it in not even half way through the season. 07 was rough for us so I'm crossing my fingers for 08.

-Jon

[kognition]

Sure i guess. But your going to be a little cold out there.

should I bring my g-string?

[kognition]

Crap i can't go after all. Didn't get the housework finished today. :rant2:

[Nikeboy355]

Don't worry... I'll document it all...

I spoke to the motel owner over here and she said that she could give us a discount if we get a couple of rooms next time... $25-30 for the night is what I'm expecting...

Screw waking up at 4AM...

[Daryl]

It was nice meeting some of the Zilvia gang. I got to ride in SteveShadow's 400whp S13 and it was definitely a handful on the track. Nit was doing pretty good in Advance group today. Nice seeing you again Steve (Corner3) - who installed my ORC clutch 30k+ ago and still running strong.

Sorry to say but I think this is my last STUSA event - no timing, car to car contact, and few drivers who didn't belong in advance group.

[Equinox]

car to car contact? That's not good!

[Vatche]

yeh the car to car contact was very sad. otherwise a great day.

alot of the 240's in our group were spinning out all over the place. so i guess they should stick to drifting!

jk great day i had a blast nice meeting you all and see you next event

[steve shadows]

Yeah great time.

I started getting sharper by the very last session, then on the last lap the track temps dropped pretty substantially (easily noticed with as much HP as I have).

Car delivered a little short for me on brakes and rear tire set up.

I will be fixing that along with some stiffer engine mounts and fresh subframe bushings, then It should be ready to rip again.

I enjoyed passing all of you on the straights in intermediate group too :fawk: haha

big drag car love

It was nice meeting some of the Zilvia gang. I got to ride in SteveShadow's 400whp S13 and it was definitely a handful on the track. Nit was doing pretty good in Advance group today. Nice seeing you again Steve (Corner3) - who installed my ORC clutch 30k+ ago and still running strong.

Sorry to say but I think this is my last STUSA event - no timing, car to car contact, and few drivers who didn't belong in advance group.

Thanks for the RIDE! Daryl! I will never say another bad word about s2000s now.

Also thanks for the brake pad advice I will look into those ( x-force? ) and compare them to Porterfields. The Hawks were garbage for my HP level.

[tacotacotaco]

had a damn lots of fun 1st session for me was a lil disheartening but started to pick it up after a couple ride alongs and driving adjustments. I got a long way to go. I need to dial in my suspension a lil other than that i had a blast.
Last session when it was getting cooler first lap i was braking looked behind me and saw my tires smokin. It got cold quick. The car to car contact really sucked especially since the guy was in our group.

[Daryl]

Thanks for the RIDE! Daryl! I will never say another bad word about s2000s now.

Also thanks for the brake pad advice I will look into those ( x-force? ) and compare them to Porterfields. The Hawks were garbage for my HP level.
LOL! Glad you enjoyed the ride. Lemme know if you need help setting up the car. A set of 255's all around would be perfect:2f2f:

I'm running Carbotech (http://www.ctbrakes.com/) XP10 (front) and XP8 (rear). I'm surprised how much pad life you get out of them along with low rotor wear. I've had these pads for at least 5 events now and they're still good. If you need to locate Carbotechs, give Evasive Motorsports (http://www.evasivemotorsports.com/) a call - ask for Mike or Justin.

[mehsilvia]

Sorry to say but I think this is my last STUSA event - no timing, car to car contact, and few drivers who didn't belong in advance group.

Im kind of in agreement. There were clearly a few misplaced individuals out there.

I was in "Fast_Intermediate" and there were a few drivers with considerable horsepower that needed to be kicked down into beginner.

Sloppy lines, brake checking at random, not paying attention to the corner workers, etc . . .

Its been awhile since i ran with STUSA and at first i thought it was going to be a great change. Get out and drive and not have constant download sessions. But most of the drivers at this event were clearly not skilled enough to be out on their own.

/Rant



It was great to meet you guys, and I look forward to a season with a few more S-chassis out there. Was getting tired of being one of the few/only ones out there.

And i was glad to see Steve & Nit team up - Steve with his HP MONSTER and Nit with his (fastest sounding KA :eek3: ) Fully built suspension. You two need to co-op and build one perfect S13 :bigok:

[suprmods]

we ran streets on the 1st and found the same issues we've always dealt with stusa. NASA ftw. The few extra dollars are totally worth it.

[MomentumGT]

we ran streets on the 1st and found the same issues we've always dealt with stusa. NASA ftw. The few extra dollars are totally worth it.

Couldn't agree with you more. First couple of stusa track days, years back, I just had the feeling it was a Hot Import Nights track day where egos ruled the track over skill. Would of loved to go to this event just because quite a few s-chasis's were going. Again its lonely in NASA for us, so I hope more of you guys would come out.

-Jon

[tacotacotaco]

I ran streets as my first track event with stusa it was pretty fun, This buttonwillow event seemed a bit chaotic. There were lots of cars out there and since there were not really any passing rules it felt like a free for all out there. Driving around the track and seeing all the dust clouds it felt like i was in the burning oil fields of iraq. I do admit i had a couple of track excursions but the main thing i wasnt liking was the fact of so many cars i felt the corner workers were a bit passive and in intermediate there were a lot of guys pressuring but not really knowing when or where to pass. It was a freight train of cars running wild. I had fun nonetheless.

[mehsilvia]

Couldn't agree with you more. First couple of stusa track days, years back, I just had the feeling it was a Hot Import Nights track day where egos ruled the track over skill. Would of loved to go to this event just because quite a few s-chasis's were going. Again its lonely in NASA for us, so I hope more of you guys would come out.

-Jon


Could agree with YOU more. And it apparently hasnt changed much. STUSA was were i got my start as well.

Come to think of it, if Sam & Jon (SNC240SX / ZodiacSR) do show at NASA, i believe you guys are the only other S-chassis out there with me :wtc:


I flew the NASA banner yesterday and think i might have persuaded Steve to come to the dark side and join us. And im hoping this group of grippers also gets into it as well. You cant beat the organization, skill, and lessons at NASA. Not to mention the variety of race groups and TT are great to compete and watch.

[golds1400]

meh silvia i ran c "Fast_Intermediate" nice car by the way i probley was one of those bad line drivers lolz i had tan coup with ugly ass silvia front faded carbon hood and front mount...i came with the signal guys..sorry all that was there first time ever at a grip event and the car..but had alot of fun learned alot.. 2 way is no fun and learned i had a blown coilover...but worth it hope to see everyone next time

[MomentumGT]

Could agree with YOU more. And it apparently hasnt changed much. STUSA was were i got my start as well.

Come to think of it, if Sam & Jon (SNC240SX / ZodiacSR) do show at NASA, i believe you guys are the only other S-chassis out there with me :wtc:


I flew the NASA banner yesterday and think i might have persuaded Steve to come to the dark side and join us. And im hoping this group of grippers also gets into it as well. You cant beat the organization, skill, and lessons at NASA. Not to mention the variety of race groups and TT are great to compete and watch.

Good to hear you're repin NASA. So the really question: When are you going to get your competition liscense and strip your baby down and join us in ST2? :bigok: I'm sure my bros. Ian will go 3 deep in a hairpin with you.

There are more guys now with s-chasis in ST2 but they're out of state, but some are claiming they're going to show up to the season opener @ Cali Speedway and own it :keke: . Who's with me? lol.

-Jon

[Nikeboy355]

I had fun and it was very nice meeting all of you... We had about a dozen s-chassis cars out there, much more than the other events I have been to...

Sorry to say but I think this is my last STUSA event - no timing, car to car contact, and few drivers who didn't belong in advance group.
Agreed... Without timing the only way to know if you did better was by how you felt you did on that lap... I prefer numbers and computer printouts...
The instructors were great (and free!) and helped me out a lot... I've got video to show his instruction and a couple of laps when he drove my S13 around the track for a couple of laps...
I think STUSA is good if you've never been to the track but there are better options if you have a couple track days under you (or are just a competitive person)...

Steve with his HP MONSTER and Nit with his (fastest sounding KA ) Fully built suspension. You two need to co-op and build one perfect S13
Haha... Steve's motor was very impressive... One of the fastest SRs I've been in... Incredibly smooth and sounds great but a handful to control... It's like the motor is in control of the car and all it wants to do is slingshot the chassis forward...
As much as Steve calls his car a "drag car"... I think it can be a ton of fun to learn on... Just need to invest in some springs... For the wastegate that is...
Or I've heard of some type of boost control ECU function where the ECU can determine what gear you are in and can increase boost in the higher gears... So when the ECU knows you are in 4th gear, it'll give an extra 10 pounds of passing power...

My S13 was running great and I felt pretty comfortable on the course... Got some great feedback from the instructor also...
I would kill myself if I had Steve's motor in my car... But I'd go out with a smile on my face...

Again its lonely in NASA for us, so I hope more of you guys would come out.

I'm interested about this... Maybe I'll open up another thread after I do a little of my own reasearch... Or maybe I'll PM/call some of you guys?...

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[steve shadows]

I need to buy a truck haha

[jayesone]

DAmn i wanted to roll, Nit you never gave me your number~! haha glad you guys had fun, Next event!

[autobahNESSA]

Good meeting you and thanks for taking so much time in documenting all of us, Nit! Can't wait to get more pics from yesterdays event. And yeah, I don't know about going with STUSA again. Yesterday was so frightening when I could see so many possible catastrophic accidents waiting to happen..along with one that did happen. Way too many cars and idiotic drivers out on the track at the same time to be anywhere near safe.

[ketsup]

It was nice meeting some of the Zilvia gang. I got to ride in SteveShadow's 400whp S13 and it was definitely a handful on the track. Nit was doing pretty good in Advance group today. Nice seeing you again Steve (Corner3) - who installed my ORC clutch 30k+ ago and still running strong.

Sorry to say but I think this is my last STUSA event - no timing, car to car contact, and few drivers who didn't belong in advance group.
your on this forum too huh... how's the s2k?

[Vatche]

i didnt know there was a fast or slow intermediate group? which was which.

i was being passed by everyone cuz i dont push as hard as everyone else. im just out there trying to run proper lines and not kill myself.
but being slow is not a problem there were many places to pass. but the asshole impatient people passing mid turn stealing my line are the kind of people that cause problems. and i really didnt like that. i let people pass me all the time and they did it safely. but some people were just flat out assholes.

yo pictures

http://picasaweb.google.com/sgharibian/ButtonWillow
mostly of me obviously but alot of others

[autobahNESSA]

C is fast and D is slow

I think if you don't put any credentials on the reg form they'll automatically put you in D.

[YucA]

...

http://nitinj.com/Images/240SX2/Buttonwillow%201107/IMG_3936.JPG




Are the rear 1/4 pulled on this S?!

[Nikeboy355]

Are the rear 1/4 pulled on this S?!
No... they are stock... He is running Bridgestone RE01-R 245-40-17 tires all around...

Daryl's black S2000 with the white wheels is running Nitto NT01 255-40-17 tires and his fronts are pulled a little while the rears are just rolled...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Siikc88eMIo

And here is a very short video where you can see Steve (Shadows) leaving the pregrid...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3QkL-5G-ybM

[mehsilvia]

Good to hear you're repin NASA. So the really question: When are you going to get your competition liscense and strip your baby down and join us in ST2? :bigok: I'm sure my bros. Ian will go 3 deep in a hairpin with you.

There are more guys now with s-chasis in ST2 but they're out of state, but some are claiming they're going to show up to the season opener @ Cali Speedway and own it :keke: . Who's with me? lol.

-Jon

ahaha - id love a 3-way :naughty:

In do time. Workin my way through HPDE3. Seem to have impressed "Mad Dog Mike" and so maybe ill have a shot at 4/TT this season.

I do appreciate the fact that NASA does such a thorough screening of all HPDE 3 to 4 applicants. Its no Joke out there :2f2f:

btw Jon. Total trip that i spoke to you and Ian at a track event WSIR and hadnt the slightest clue you were on Zilvia :confused:


Short Vid Clip of i think 1st session out there on Sunday:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rTTYtzzizbE

[UNITEDMASTER]

Couldn't agree with you more. First couple of stusa track days, years back, I just had the feeling it was a Hot Import Nights track day where egos ruled the track over skill. Would of loved to go to this event just because quite a few s-chasis's were going. Again its lonely in NASA for us, so I hope more of you guys would come out.

-Jon

Hello all, my feelings are the same here. As far as NASA goes lets say the pot is brewing. Hew tell me if I got this correct as far as HP : WT ratio for ST2 . S13 at 2600 lbs=304 hp or a S13 at 2500lbs = 289hp on a 245 DOT legal tire.Word to the wise STUSA is good when lots of people dont show up,looks like this event was pretty full,But damn I missed out alot of the peeps were there. Its OK Im preparing for 08

[Paul2x]

Seemed like a great event.
Nice to finally see some other S-chassies out their

Sorry i missed it.

Will be ready for the next one.

* Doing another Priviate event at WS in Jan if anyone is interested* (Weekday)
will post the details soon.

=)

[steve shadows]

wow thanks a bunch for all the pictures Vatche!

seriously!

Now I can see how 4x4 my car still is with my current suspension

did Danny take those?

[MoReRyCe]

that was me in the White evo that hit the Yellow s2k....

I did all the proper things that could have been done.. you can ask any and all the instructors and so on that were there on track.. rumors were going on that im a stupid driver.. lol.. so funny.. but theres alot more to it than that..

atleast im ok... first accident in 5 years and ifrst accident on a track ever... lol so crazy... never had the airbags go off.. but atleast everyone is ok.. and yes i do agree.. definetly certain people did not belong in the advanced group.. and it was very chaotic out there wayyy too many cars...

Paul ill see you out there at the private event... with the other evo.. peace!

PS: ill post wut happened shortly...

[MoReRyCe]

Was going through a long left hander in the rear then through a slight left then i had to slow down as i approched magic mountain with a yellow flag... i let off befroe getting there and got to the top and noticed there was a giant dust cloud.. i figured a car had under steered into the dirt.. the car infront of me goes right through the middle of it then i proceed to go into the cloud as far away from the left side as possible.. ( Figuring he had gone into the dirt from under steering since thats where the dust cloud came from..) went into the cloud at maybe about 25-30mph in about 20ft of 0 visibility i see a wheel of a car just sitting perpendicular to me just blocking the way i was going..... i try to adjust but the split second was too fast... instead of directly t-boning him i manage to hit his rear wheel with quater panel and i hit my passenger's side front.. airbags go off.. car behind me was on my tail and managed to go into the dirt to avoid hitting me.. which im glad for..

and thats my side of what happened...

[Paul2x]

LOL Just like Cole Trickle and Rowdie Burns! :rawk:

Seriously though,
If it happened to you, it could have happen to anyone.

MC is one of the best/fastest Drivers I know out their,and does more events than most of us combined. If anyone has seat time, it's this guy.

Only so much u can do, Shi*t happens

[mehsilvia]

Definately tragic, and thank you for providing your side of the story.

Our "Come to Jesus" drivers meeting we had was definately a bit passionate and therfore sided on the "stupid driver" deal.

Thanks again for being man enough to share with us.

Glad to hear no serious injuries.

[MomentumGT]

Hello all, my feelings are the same here. As far as NASA goes lets say the pot is brewing. Hew tell me if I got this correct as far as HP : WT ratio for ST2 . S13 at 2600 lbs=304 hp or a S13 at 2500lbs = 289hp on a 245 DOT legal tire.Word to the wise STUSA is good when lots of people dont show up,looks like this event was pretty full,But damn I missed out alot of the peeps were there. Its OK Im preparing for 08

We're running at 2750lbs. with driver and half a tank with max hp at 312whp and 255 DOT R/RA1's all the way around. There are other rules that limit your hp levels such as side skirts, body kit, solid suspension links, etc...its mess I had to have somebody calculate everything for me as I was getting the solution of 340whp. lol. The car actually only puts down 260hp so we're far from the limit. Hope to see you out there.

-Jon

[MoReRyCe]

Definately tragic, and thank you for providing your side of the story.

Our "Come to Jesus" drivers meeting we had was definately a bit passionate and therfore sided on the "stupid driver" deal.

Thanks again for being man enough to share with us.

Glad to hear no serious injuries.



thanx man... btw... i saw your car at horse theif mile a while back at the SRT event.. i was in the white evo with black wing and jdm rear bumper.. it was my frist time there and i followed you for a few laps.. fun stuff.

[mehsilvia]

thanx man... btw... i saw your car at horse theif mile a while back at the SRT event.. i was in the white evo with black wing and jdm rear bumper.. it was my frist time there and i followed you for a few laps.. fun stuff.

LOL, id never think to ask all you damn S2000 & Evo drivers if your on ZILVIA!!!!! There's a ton of you on here :tweak:

Thats awesome. I do remember you, and another Evo out there on track. It was my first time at HTM as well. Alot of fun running with you out there.

[MoReRyCe]

lol yea i used to have an s13 and 14...

[tacotacotaco]

Its cool that you came here

i figured a car had under steered into the dirt.. the car infront of me goes right through the middle of it then i proceed to go into the cloud as far away from the left side as possible..

Figuring he had gone into the dirt from under steering since thats where the dust cloud came from..

I think thats the mistake right there but like its said shit happens hope everyone can get their cars back up for another event

[steve shadows]

figuring is failing in my book

if you see yellow slow way down.

There were a lot of guys out there racing the sand.

No one was being timed and they were hauling ass right past yellows all day long.

[Daryl]

your on this forum too huh... how's the s2k?
Whatup AJ! The S2 is taking a break from the track until it gets new coilovers. I'm starting to lose interest tracking the car - need SRC's or Motons! How's your ride doing?

[brokeAs240sx]

So when things like this happen, everyone's just responsible for their own damages?

What about ppl contacting other ppl's cars?

Was there car contact in every group? or just the intermediate-fast+ ones?

[tacotacotaco]

I wish stusa would release an official statement because from the meeting they labeled the white evo as an idiot blowing by the yellow flags.
It doesnt matter how much seat time anyone has if they still can't run a regular track day safely. I know everyone is out there to go fast and learn. Maybe this is something that would be more expected from the lower groups but i think a driver in advanced figuring is just being stupid.

[MomentumGT]

So when things like this happen, everyone's just responsible for their own damages?

What about ppl contacting other ppl's cars?

Was there car contact in every group? or just the intermediate-fast+ ones?

Yes sir. You take care of your own damages no matter who's at fault...so I've been lead to believe.

-Jon

[tacotacotaco]

yeah when your on track your basically on your own. In hpde events there shouldnt really be any type of contact let alone a full on slam since its just running the track not racing.
If its racing then yeah sure thats a risk you run.
Im sure if you rear ended someone goin into pits or hit a parked car exiting from just being an idiot and not paying attention then it would be honorable to help with the damages.

[MoReRyCe]

yea that whole part about figureing was my mistake.. but i did slow down from 70 mph to 25 mph... thats a big slow down..... i didnt want to get rear ended by the bmw behind me so thats why i didnt come to a complaete hault .. although yes the meeting they had was very stupid.. i even talked to the old guy and he said that he was sorry for labeling me like that... tommy ( owner of stusa) was out there talking to us and telling the s2k driving that he took the wrong line and so on... but again.. its everyone who was invloved's fault.. and all we can do is learn.. and there was only one yellow flag.. it was at magic mountain... i was told by almost all of the intructors that they would have done the same... the only one that told me something different said that when i go through a corner and something is happening.. never look in your rear view mirror... its always about what is ahead... and i will definetly take that into consideration next time...

but if anyone has anything to say to me or any questions feel free to PM me ill answer back be it good or bad.. i dont mind.. learning is listenning..!

thanx guys

[MoReRyCe]

I wish stusa would release an official statement because from the meeting they labeled the white evo as an idiot blowing by the yellow flags.
It doesnt matter how much seat time anyone has if they still can't run a regular track day safely. I know everyone is out there to go fast and learn. Maybe this is something that would be more expected from the lower groups but i think a driver in advanced figuring is just being stupid.

i will talk to tommy from stusa and see if it is possible for that to be done..

[Jung918]

yea that whole part about figureing was my mistake.. but i did slow down from 70 mph to 25 mph... thats a big slow down..... i didnt want to get rear ended by the bmw behind me so thats why i didnt come to a complaete hault .. although yes the meeting they had was very stupid.. i even talked to the old guy and he said that he was sorry for labeling me like that... tommy ( owner of stusa) was out there talking to us and telling the s2k driving that he took the wrong line and so on... but again.. its everyone who was invloved's fault.. and all we can do is learn.. and there was only one yellow flag.. it was at magic mountain... i was told by almost all of the intructors that they would have done the same... the only one that told me something different said that when i go through a corner and something is happening.. never look in your rear view mirror... its always about what is ahead... and i will definetly take that into consideration next time...

but if anyone has anything to say to me or any questions feel free to PM me ill answer back be it good or bad.. i dont mind.. learning is listenning..!

thanx guys

How many yellow flags do you need?

[Nikeboy355]

Lost Hill is such a common place to eat crap...

For those who haven't been on the course it's a high 3rd gear right with an elevation change... It's blind going over the apex of the turn...
So you can't see what's going on on the other side until you are already half way through the turn...

Even though it sucks and whoever is at fault doesn't matter... I don't expect that to happen in the Advanced group...
I think that there were so many people who wanted to sign up for intermediate but ended up registering for advanced because there was no room in any other group... Maybe STUSA should open another intermediate group...

Or use lap times to move people from one run group to another... So cars that run similar lap times will run with each other...

[steve shadows]

I wish stusa would release an official statement because from the meeting they labeled the white evo as an idiot blowing by the yellow flags.
It doesnt matter how much seat time anyone has if they still can't run a regular track day safely. I know everyone is out there to go fast and learn. Maybe this is something that would be more expected from the lower groups but i think a driver in advanced figuring is just being stupid.

You can only make the track so safe without detracting from the experience.

I personally loved stusa, it was a basic immersion course in driving hard. Some of the cars even in intermediate class were just far too slow.

I was wary of passing some people in my group because they seemed totally unaware that I was even trying to pass. They just wanted to cruise around the track taking in the damn scenery.

If you wanted to just "learn" I think beginner would have been the group for that.

Ill admit some of my indecisiveness early in the day in passing got a miata behind me pretty peeved, I did let several slower cars pass in the first two sessions and had sloppy lines but it was my first track event at bwillow. after Lunch I was rock solid, had a lot of fun chasing down the g35s and passing one of them at 'drag strip' before mazda star a couple times.

Next time I go I'm planning on fast intermediate. Might not be until Feb-March though with funds.

I still had a blast and I appreciated the chaos of it all

[ESCALVANTE]

YuCa: I'm the owner of the red S2000 and yes my fenders are pulled and flared all around. :naughty:

Daryl: I was thinking that not having timing would be a common gripe but DAMN!! Car to car contact??? :ugh:
Anyhow, not having timing would just require that we get our own timing devices... more money to spend.
How did Nitin's car compare to your car? The reason I ask is to compare times considering you are hitting 2:05's. I figure if Nitin was at least hanging with you, he must have been getting faster around that track.

Nitin: How did the car feel with the shorter gear ratios???

What alignment specs are you guys running?

[MoReRyCe]

How many yellow flags do you need?

yellow flags dont mean hault and stop.. i slowed down of the throttle and even on the brakes.. i knew something had happened and i proceeded with as much caution as i could think of in 5 seconds of seeing the flag.. if it was a red flag i would have come to a stop as safely as i could but it was a waving yellow like many that day...


Flag: Yellow Flag
Signal: Caution


It tells drivers to slow down and hold current positions until further notice. The yellow flag indicates that there has been an accident, track has been partially blocked or unsafe. The yellow flag will remain out until the officials have determined that it is safe to continue the race.

[tacotacotaco]

when i see a yellow flag that means theres danger and lookout for a potential accident. slow down enough to control your self incase shits on the track blocking you. I guess this can go on until an official statement from the instructors who saw what happened. In that case maybe we should ignore yellow flags since they were just waving em all day from people spinning out after all most of the time they spin off the track or theyre just dippin tires into the dirt off turns. Problem is that your in the mindset that your disregarding and figuring since theres been false alarms all day. Track events like these are designed to be safe and the moment i see a yellow flag i wanna know that no matter what i wanna be able to not come blind around somewhere and risk my car or put any kind of FIGURING into my decision. I dont wanna be an ass but there are no real excuses that you could come up with to hit a car at an HPDE event. i spun out in a turn with cars following close to me to actually look into my eyes and they didnt even need a yellow flag to know that we can hit, you at least had a yellow flag for 5 seconds so sucks you had to come blind over that hill figure they dipped some tires off the road, Think the yellow flag was a bullshit call because theyve been waving them all day figure other cars are doin so why not you and shit lemme drive through a blind dust cloud.

And this is the last youll hear from me posting about the contact in this thread.

[Daryl]

Daryl: I was thinking that not having timing would be a common gripe but DAMN!! Car to car contact??? :ugh:
Anyhow, not having timing would just require that we get our own timing devices... more money to spend.
How did Nitin's car compare to your car? The reason I ask is to compare times considering you are hitting 2:05's. I figure if Nitin was at least hanging with you, he must have been getting faster around that track.
Sal, too bad you couldn't make it. Sorry to hear about the car. There was suppose to be timing that day but they decided not to rent them out.
I haven't had a chance to upload my videos yet but I know Nit has a video where we ran into each other.

[MoReRyCe]

hey i completely understand where you are coming from but i dont know where you are getting the idea that i was ignoring flags... if i was ignoring the flag i would have hit the car at 60mph not 25....

and i do beleive atleast 95% of the people i know would have done the same thing i did.. so im sorry if you misunderstand what happened but you werent there...

[ESCALVANTE]

Sal, too bad you couldn't make it. Sorry to hear about the car. There was suppose to be timing that day but they decided not to rent them out.
I haven't had a chance to upload my videos yet but I know Nit has a video where we ran into each other.

It did suck but my car is ready now. In fact, I am trying to get my car ready for the next track event with some more parts. I just sourced a real good deal on a seat and if those rails are still available, I'll pick them up ASAP. I just need to source is an FX70RR and I'll be good ...an ASM bumper would be nice too.
Have you decided on which coilovers to go with?

[kognition]

Damn i want to see some exciting video bufoonery now!
These pics look like it was musical cars out there! :naughty:

[ESCALVANTE]

LOL, id never think to ask all you damn S2000 & Evo drivers if your on ZILVIA!!!!! There's a ton of you on here :tweak:

Thats awesome. I do remember you, and another Evo out there on track. It was my first time at HTM as well. Alot of fun running with you out there.

We're everywhere all at once!!! :w00t: :cool:

[MoReRyCe]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jQjHk6Z5xCc

good example of the dust and how it can happen to anyone...

[steve shadows]

look.

Maybe I am not "el hardcoro road racer" but in an event that is NOT BEING TIMED and is simply a track day, if you see dust or dirt slow way down?

Your trying to validate the idea of racing through a completely blind situation by giving an example of some other driver who fucked up on the same course?

Me and Nittin were in the car trailing you guys, we could see the dust flying up from 2 turns back! and we crested the hill after the yellow at 15 mph seeing the flag and rolled past you guys at less than 5. We were only 4 cars back too. There is no excuse for racing through a blind zone unless you honestly did not see the yellow, that would make a lot more sense.


Either way I hope you the best, it's a shitty situation for everybody involved. Ive crashed cars on the street enough to know what I was doing was not safe or out of my normal driving habbits so I learned from it. There has to be something that you take away from this situation instead of beliveing it HAD to happen.

[articdragon192]

25mph isn't racing through a yellow. Needless to say, in the previous track events I've done, I've seen yellow and I've only slowed down and kept an eye out. A yellow flag isn't a red flag. Red flag means stop. Yellow means slow down. And if he did slow down, then he did the right thing. Especially if it's a drop to 25mph. Granted, there's a dust cloud, but at times at leaves you guessing what happened and where the source of the cloud is. 25mph is pretty slow IMO. Some people can't even hold that speed limit through a construction zone, so I think he did the right thing.
Shit happens. Not everything is forseeable. It's unfortunate a car got hit but you take that risk when you go to any track event, race or practice related.

[steve shadows]

If your suddenly driving through blind fog do you slow down more? or keep going at a constant speed. :eek3d:

[articdragon192]

Of course you slow down when you're driving through the cloud of dust. But 25mph isn't suddenly.

[steve shadows]

so your saying he had even more time to react?

so it wasnt suddenly

remeber Im going to be a lawyer one day if I dont go broke haha

can we just get back to the jack off session in this thread regarding how much of a kickass time it was, rather than picking apart some Evo's crash on a Nissan forum?

[brokeAs240sx]

Haha, I'm sorrrttt of glad I missed the car paint swapping party now.

This brings up an interesting point tho (at least to me).

At other events I've participated in, yellow flag meant slow down to about half-speed, or less... considering he went from 70mph -> 25 mph, that's a lot imho.

Of course, if he slowed down more, maybe something could have been avoided... however, what was stated, if anything, at the drivers' meeting? Since I wasn't there, I don't know, but usually it's along the lines of "half speed"/"cruising speed" when you see a yellow.

Another potentially bad situation could have happened, similar to the video he posted.

5mph may have saved him from hitting the s2k, but he noticed a car behind him... that car may not have known to slow down that much & ended up rear ending him.

And to go totally off on a tangent, perhaps if the driver in the s2k clutched in ("both feet in" like they tell you every time you go out to a car event in regards to spinning out), he wouldn't have stalled out & be able to pull off the side of the road.

And lastly, things like this "shouldn't" be happening at all in the intermediate & up levels.

Glad you guys had fun tho ;)

[Jung918]

Haha, I'm sorrrttt of glad I missed the car paint swapping party now.

This brings up an interesting point tho (at least to me).

At other events I've participated in, yellow flag meant slow down to about half-speed, or less... considering he went from 70mph -> 25 mph, that's a lot imho.

Of course, if he slowed down more, maybe something could have been avoided... however, what was stated, if anything, at the drivers' meeting? Since I wasn't there, I don't know, but usually it's along the lines of "half speed"/"cruising speed" when you see a yellow.

Another potentially bad situation could have happened, similar to the video he posted.

5mph may have saved him from hitting the s2k, but he noticed a car behind him... that car may not have known to slow down that much & ended up rear ending him.

And to go totally off on a tangent, perhaps if the driver in the s2k clutched in ("both feet in" like they tell you every time you go out to a car event in regards to spinning out), he wouldn't have stalled out & be able to pull off the side of the road.

And lastly, things like this "shouldn't" be happening at all in the intermediate & up levels.

Glad you guys had fun tho ;)

the s2k driver spun and ended in the dirt. He got hit and from that ended on the road.

[brokeAs240sx]

the s2k driver spun and ended in the dirt. He got hit and from that ended on the road.

Hold on...

- So s2k spun onto dirt.
- Evo goes thru turn @ 25mph onto the dirt to hit the s2k?

[brokeAs240sx]

Jung918... doesn't match MoReRyCe's recount of what happened, which seems to make more sense...

Was going through a long left hander in the rear then through a slight left then i had to slow down as i approched magic mountain with a yellow flag... i let off befroe getting there and got to the top and noticed there was a giant dust cloud.. i figured a car had under steered into the dirt.. the car infront of me goes right through the middle of it then i proceed to go into the cloud as far away from the left side as possible.. ( Figuring he had gone into the dirt from under steering since thats where the dust cloud came from..) went into the cloud at maybe about 25-30mph in about 20ft of 0 visibility i see a wheel of a car just sitting perpendicular to me just blocking the way i was going..... i try to adjust but the split second was too fast... instead of directly t-boning him i manage to hit his rear wheel with quater panel and i hit my passenger's side front.. airbags go off.. car behind me was on my tail and managed to go into the dirt to avoid hitting me.. which im glad for..

and thats my side of what happened...

[tacotacotaco]

We need the full s2k perspective. Then an official statement. A recreation. Some CSI jackets. eye witness testimony, and a blacklight because theres always semen at the scene. Well anyways looking at the damage from both parties it seems like a pretty damn good hit to bend the suspension on the s2k like that.

Next track event i should be rolling in with a full alignment and corner balance.

[brokeAs240sx]

We need the full s2k perspective. Then an official statement. A recreation. Some CSI jackets. eye witness testimony, and a blacklight because theres semen at the scene. Well anyways looking at the damage from both parties it seems like a pretty damn good hit to bend the suspension on the s2k like that.

Next track event i should be rolling in with a full alignment and corner balance.

I'd imagine some drivers got scared shitless... but semen huh? hmmmm, I'll get some ppl on it:

http://www.bram.us/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2006/10/csi.jpg

[ESCALVANTE]

Anyone have pics or video of crash or the aftermath??

Lesson learned: If you see a dust cloud, be sure to slow down, maybe even stop and remain visible to others on track. :hsdance:

Anyone going to Streets of Willow on Jan 5th or 6th?

[tacotacotaco]

you can find some pics in here http://picasaweb.google.com/sgharibian/ButtonWillow

im gonna push to try to get in on the streets event but right now christmas aint letting me plan that far ahead.

[Nikeboy355]

Anyone have pics or video of crash or the aftermath??
Yes there are pictures but this shouldn't be the point of the thread... The point of these threads I open on GRIP events is to encourage more people to come...

And to develop s-chassis cars to be able to run with cars that are much more expensive...

Wait till you see Daryl's video chasing a modded Porsche GT3... Driver skill and car development to race with the big boys...

[ESCALVANTE]

Good thing the drivers didn't get hurt.

What spring rates are you guys running on these S chassis cars?

[tacotacotaco]

I think we just about talked the buttonwillow thread down. Maybe a new thread should be started to talk just about any track events and experiences for the so cal group.

On a side note i found my alignment spec sheet from hiros when i ran streets. That was back during early summer since then i dropped my subframe and put alum bushings in. I know that my alignment isnt the same anymore because my steering wheel is a lil to the right and the bushings made the subframe sit closer to the frame also some of the camber bolts in the rear i wasnt able to match back to original position measuring. It sucks i didnt make time for an alignment before the track. i know this time around i had way more pronounced oversteer. Hopefully once i know my alignments all good im gonna go from there to dial out my suspension. im also looking to get an ats carbon lsd 1.5 way and move to progress sways.

[MoReRyCe]

Steve and everyone.. i just want to thank you guys for everything be it good or bad.. this is a definite learning experiance for me being my first accident ever.. its very difficult to really make oppinions on what could have happened but its very useful listenning and understanding everyone.. again thank you guys..

as for the s2k.. no he wsnt sitting in the dirt when he spun.. he went on the track... there was a trail of coolant from my car that trailed from a few feet farther than the right side away forn the middle of the track.. so he was a considerable distance from it.. if i would have gont into the dirt i would have stayed in the dirt.. and my car would have dirt all over it from the dust... i did talk to lenard the s2k driver and he did think he was in the dirt.. but we made it clear he wasnt.. none the less.. this thread is now dead..

again.. thank you everyone with all the advice .. please dont be afraid to say wuts up if you guys see me on track... !

[tacotacotaco]

Im running silkroads 8/6 i had them set i think at 4 clicks upfront 2 out back. Streets i ran them full soft with very good results
The guy in the white kouki was running tanabe 7 i think 8/10 at full soft. His car was def handling better than my car gripping a lot harder on the same tires.

[ESCALVANTE]

Steve and everyone.. i just want to thank you guys for everything be it good or bad.. this is a definite learning experiance for me being my first accident ever.. its very difficult to really make oppinions on what could have happened but its very useful listenning and understanding everyone.. again thank you guys..

again.. thank you everyone with all the advice .. please dont be afraid to say wuts up if you guys see me on track... !

This incident will prove helpful to all of us as we are probably going to be more cautious next time out.

Will you be attending the SOW event in the beginning of January? Will your car be out of the shop by then?

Maybe we shold make a Socal Track Junkies thread like the one we have on the S2k boards?

[tacotacotaco]

i was just thinking the same thing. I guess it should be posted in the motorsports thread. Ill start one up

[ESCALVANTE]

i was just thinking the same thing. I guess it should be posted in the motorsports thread. Ill start one up

I'll see you over there. :bigok:

[tacotacotaco]

ok its up lets move on over

[Nikeboy355]

This is what Steve and I saw...

Video (164MB)... right click and save...

http://nitinj.com/Images/240SX2/Buttonwillow 1207/NitinJ - Buttonwillow 1207 - Evo contacts S2000.mpg

Pics...

http://nitinj.com/Images/240SX2/Buttonwillow%201207/EVOS2000%20Lost%20Hill%20incident2.jpg

http://nitinj.com/Images/240SX2/Buttonwillow%201207/EVOS2000%20Lost%20Hill%20incident1.jpg

[MoReRyCe]

This incident will prove helpful to all of us as we are probably going to be more cautious next time out.

Will you be attending the SOW event in the beginning of January? Will your car be out of the shop by then?

Maybe we shold make a Socal Track Junkies thread like the one we have on the S2k boards?

My car wont be ready but ill be out there with my other evo... its stock but still lots of fun..

january 11th is the next one im going to its a private event, paul2x has more details on it..

[steve shadows]

glad I wont be there haha

naw I kid kid.

I need to get some more parts for the bish before I track again.

[MoReRyCe]

glad I wont be there haha

naw I kid kid.

I need to get some more parts for the bish before I track again.

lol ass...

fo sho.. like i said dont be afraid to say wussup!

[steve shadows]

lol ass...

fo sho.. like i said dont be afraid to say wussup!

afraid of what? you calling me afraid? haha

take care

[MoReRyCe]

just watched the video.. thanx for posting it.. brings chills ... lol

[articdragon192]

My car wont be ready but ill be out there with my other evo... its stock but still lots of fun..

january 11th is the next one im going to its a private event, paul2x has more details on it..

Just making sure, you the guy with the fastest time on R-comps at gmr?

[MoReRyCe]

yea that would be me....

[b4racing]

It’s funny how the guy claims 25mph and everyone believes him. Do you have pictures to prove it? If everyone saw the damage to the evo and the s2k, it is obvious that the damage was not done at 25mph.

Also, this idea of not stopping because of being afraid to be rear-ended is crap. If you were going 25mph as you so claimed, the car behind you would have been able to react and stop at that slow of a speed. And if you want to say that he was tailing you through a dust cloud, obviously ignoring the yellow flag as you did, then you are right—you both don’t belong in the advance group.

Let’s just call it what it is. The driver with "5 years of racing experience" thinks he’s too good to slow down for the yellow flags.

that was me in the White evo that hit the Yellow s2k....

I did all the proper things that could have been done.. you can ask any and all the instructors and so on that were there on track.. rumors were going on that im a stupid driver.. lol.. so funny.. but theres alot more to it than that..

atleast im ok... first accident in 5 years and ifrst accident on a track ever... lol so crazy... never had the airbags go off.. but atleast everyone is ok.. and yes i do agree.. definetly certain people did not belong in the advanced group.. and it was very chaotic out there wayyy too many cars...

Paul ill see you out there at the private event... with the other evo.. peace!

PS: ill post wut happened shortly...

[articdragon192]

yea that would be me....

Figured. The sn and car all seemed to add up. Hope the car comes out well again.

[steve shadows]

I wish I could afford to crash evos

I can't even afford to feed myself

[MoReRyCe]

lol i didnt plan it so.. shit sucks.. i have to starve for a few weeks.. n work my ass off...





It’s funny how the guy claims 25mph and everyone believes him. Do you have pictures to prove it? If everyone saw the damage to the evo and the s2k, it is obvious that the damage was not done at 25mph.

Also, this idea of not stopping because of being afraid to be rear-ended is crap. If you were going 25mph as you so claimed, the car behind you would have been able to react and stop at that slow of a speed. And if you want to say that he was tailing you through a dust cloud, obviously ignoring the yellow flag as you did, then you are right—you both don’t belong in the advance group.

Let’s just call it what it is. The driver with "5 years of racing experience" thinks he’s too good to slow down for the yellow flags.

lol.. ok man wutever makes you feel better...

Heres a crash test at 35mph... the average speed crash tests are done..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ueBQ_JNk-Dw


obviously theres not that much damage done to my car... so i had to be going slower...

lol wut a fruit..

its over... get on with it...

[MoReRyCe]

oh and yes there are pics of the incident.. look in previous posts... for a link...

[tacotacotaco]

sorry bro but you came in here wanting feedback on the crash now with all your little vids and justifications your just coming off as an ass. get over it. I already reposted the link to pics.

[MoReRyCe]

lol i am?

aight then.. i understand.. i just needed to say something i like having the last word.. but yea im over it.. thanx taco..

and im not trying to be an ass..

see ya around man...

[Vatche]

i dont blame mor ryce for trying to defend himself a lil..

like edgar(articdragon) said you have to expect the worst going to a track event. its not like the guy forcefully purposely drove into the fucking s2k. give him a break.

if i was the one who hit a car that day and i did everything possible to avoid it and you guys gave me this kinda shit i woulda beat you up.

im not saying he should. he doesnt know you guys well enough. haha.

i spun out in the exact same spot. no dust cloud cuz i didnt go off track. and i saw mike coming right at me and like 2-3 other cars went into the dirt cuz of me. if someone hit me head to head. i wouldnt blame them. i would be more upset at myself for taking a SHIT line and going to fast.

so streets of willow jan 5 or something i would love to try and make it guys if anyone else has the time or funds. lets look into it. i dont think i can do the jan 11th thing if its on a weekday.



oh and my suspension on my car with apex n1 type v coilovers were set to like half way up front and half way in the rear. so i was running way stiffer then these people. and so towards the middle of the day i had set my rears down to like 1/4 the way
so 28 way total. 16 in the front 16 in the back to start. then 16 in front 8 in back. helped a lil. but i was oversteering all day and lost my rear a couple times.
this track i went with like 10-14 clicks up front and 1 click in the back and i was running way smoother. i had 26-28lbs of air HOT in my rear also. and my tire wear was still not to the line on my tire. so i wouldnt go lower then that.

but i have alot to learn. im too scared to go any faster but spinning on magic mountain taught me a lil about when to be on the gas. i need to upgrade my rear brakes and change my front pads from porterfields to hawk hp plus.
everything else was great. i was watching that sentra take turn 1 or 2 the long hairpin and i think i might have figured out a better line to take next time cuz the one i was taking suckED

[articdragon192]

WOT on magic mountain, lol.

[steve shadows]

lol i didnt plan it so.. shit sucks.. i have to starve for a few weeks.. n work my ass off...







lol.. ok man wutever makes you feel better...

Heres a crash test at 35mph... the average speed crash tests are done..


obviously theres not that much damage done to my car... so i had to be going slower...

lol wut a fruit..

its over... get on with it...

You can't directly compare this. That is a solid barrier not a car floating in space.