project S13K

[RJayS.]

I'm sorry if this is a repost I search and came up with nothing.
I don't know how many of your read import tuner but while I was looking through the latest issue I came across project S13k. Basically they put a honda S2000 engine into a S13 chassis. Boost is set a 17 PSI and 357whp. IMO I find it kinda intresting. Something different. I tried looking for the article but couldn't find it sorry.
Found it kinda intresting thought I would see what you guys think.

RJayS.

[Matej]

Did they do it because the owner wanted to swap the superior Nissan motor into his S2K? :bigok:

[ThatGuy]

Nah, the 240 owner hated torque. :keke:

[cc4usmc]

I like to be different, but I thought that swap was retarded.

[KA24DESOneThree]

It'd be decent if the F20C was NA, considering how light it is.

[LongGrain]

i dont want to sound rude or anything, but you guys really hate on anything made by honda dont you, even when a stock F20c (naturally aspirated) makes as much power as an SR20det....their kick-ass motors. along with many others made by honda....

[Bobafreak]

i dd a Honda civic 4 door. Good on gas. plus less attention.

[Matej]

i dont want to sound rude or anything, but you guys really hate on anything made by honda dont you...
Nah, just S2K's, even Hitler hated them.

[Kn1ves]

i love honda and their motors... but putting an F20 on a car with an already capable engine replacement/engine is pretty dumb considering it would require a lot more prep to turbo it.

lets put it this way, its like putting a LS1 into a Mustang. Sure you can do it, but why? The Mustangs V8 is already capable..

[ALTRNTV]

i dont want to sound rude or anything, but you guys really hate on anything made by honda dont you, even when a stock F20c (naturally aspirated) makes as much power as an SR20det....their kick-ass motors. along with many others made by honda....
It's not that it's made by Honda, it's because you're replacing the KA with a torqueless wonder. The F20C is an amazing motor, but I wouldn't want my powerband to start at 8k rpms. :)

[Full-Lock]

ahh yes yes i saw this car
it was an s13 vert w/ silvia front and an almost identical Sears paint/vinyl setup as chris forsbergs 350z.

when i first saw the cover i did a double take at the motor.
and then i thought that chris forsberg was going to an s13. but nope

i thought it was pretty cool

[fromxtor]

Ok so it makes more HP, but you suffer in the tq dept. So it's give and take.

[cdlong]

even when a stock F20c (naturally aspirated) makes as much power as an SR20det....

put a 240bhp F20c powered s13 up against a 240bhp sr or ka-t powered s13 and see which one wins. area under the curve is as important as peak (if not more).

they're kick-ass motors. along with many others made by honda....

that's definitely true. just don't say anything about specific output, stupidest argument ever.

[pignose4life]

Nah, the 240 owner hated torque. :keke:
read my mind hah

[k's_silvia2.0]

Ben Schwarts is gay.

[muddafakka]

Ben's vert made it into the latest issue of Super Street. Go buy it.

[HaLo]

Don't make me moderate this thread!! hahaha! :keke:

Seriously, my S2K is faster in its stock form than my modded SR'd 240sx was.

I'd take a naturally aspirated engine anytime over a turbo. Response is so much better...

[k's_silvia2.0]

Ben's vert made it into the latest issue of Super Street. Go buy it.
No dont!!!!!
Don't make me moderate this thread!! hahaha! :keke:

Seriously, my S2K is faster in its stock form than my modded SR'd 240sx was.

I'd take a naturally aspirated engine anytime over a turbo. Response is so much better...

All that lag can be taken care of nowadays with some proper tunning;)
FYI I spank stock s2k's on the freeway:D


Dont pink me.:keke:

[canyonking]

I saw the article, I thought it was a waste of a perfectly good S13

[k's_silvia2.0]

I saw the article, I thought it was a waste of a perfectly good S13

AMEN!!!!!!!!!!

[muddafakka]

It's a unique swap yeah, but for a vert? Nah.

[HaLo]

No dont!!!!!


All that lag can be taken care of nowadays with some proper tunning;)
FYI I spank stock s2k's on the freeway:D


Dont pink me.:keke:

Trust me, on a track, you will always feel lag. Always.

And when I meant faster, I meant on a track, not on illegal highway or street races... :keke:

[Dirty Habit]

Anyone else stop reading super street when they were 14? I flip through the pages occasionally while at walmart...

[HaLo]

Anyone else stop reading super street when they were 14? I flip through the pages occasionally while at walmart...

I never read it to begin with... ;)

[Okinawandrifter87]

Anyone else stop reading super street when they were 14? I flip through the pages occasionally while at walmart...


Haha thats the only time I read em lol..

[muddafakka]

Anyone else stop reading super street when they were 14? I flip through the pages occasionally while at walmart...

I never read it fully...so many goddamn ads. Just check out what I like and that's it.

[SHIFT_*grind*]

The magazines all suck now. I used to like SCC, now they change editors like every 3 months and it's only about 50 pages thick.

And I can never find GRM. :(

[ayuaddict]

ive been a subscriber to SCC for about 5 years.

apparently they stopped sending me issues about 4 months ago.

didn't notice until last week that they stopped coming in.

past couple years they went to shit anyways, reading nothing is better than reading shit i suppose.

[steve shadows]

I'm sorry if this is a repost I search and came up with nothing.
I don't know how many of your read import tuner but while I was looking through the latest issue I came across project S13k. Basically they put a honda S2000 engine into a S13 chassis. Boost is set a 17 PSI and 357whp. IMO I find it kinda intresting. Something different. I tried looking for the article but couldn't find it sorry.
Found it kinda intresting thought I would see what you guys think.

RJayS.

I find it retarded

[nani]

just do whatever turns you on.

[KA24DESOneThree]

I find it retarded

That's because you, for some unknown reason, actually like the SR20DET.

NA F20C could make 300hp easily, while weighing 100 pounds less than an SR with a front mount.

[Yuri]

I bought the magazine.
I don't know why.
I was reading an article, and every paragraph had at least two references to "hyphy."

As a result, I'm never buying another issue.

[Peter_North]

NA F20C could make 300hp easily

....................rofl

[KA24DESOneThree]

....................rofl

In a 2250lb car, 300hp is nothing to laugh at.

[yarou]

That's because you, for some unknown reason, actually like the SR20DET.

NA F20C could make 300hp easily, while weighing 100 pounds less than an SR with a front mount.

NA 300hp is by no means "easy" for the f20c

[cdlong]

I was reading an article, and every paragraph had at least two references to "hyphy."

this "hyphy"? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyphy

why?

[nightshiftgarage]

300 hp in a honda means like 198 lbs. of tourqe. lol what turds , i hate hondas. f20c is a good replacement for like a 4age which , if im not mistaken , is also lacking in the tourqe dept. not a sr or ka

[yarou]

NA 300hp f20c also costs way too fucking much and is totally not worth it when you can get similar power in an sr or ka for much much much less.

[HaLo]

300 hp in a honda means like 198 lbs. of tourqe. lol what turds , i hate hondas. f20c is a good replacement for like a 4age which , if im not mistaken , is also lacking in the tourqe dept. not a sr or ka

Still is faster... People like you don't get that most VTEC engine have a totally flat torque curve. So 154lbs of torque is 150+ lbs from 1000 to 9000 rpm.

Who cares about peak torque...? On a road course (track), when you stay in your powerband, low end torque is totally irrelevant.

Oh yeah, and 300hp n/a on a F20C is nearly impossible unless you dish out tons of money. The engine is almost maxed out from factory.

[yarou]

Still is faster... People like you don't get that most VTEC engine have a totally flat torque curve. So 154lbs of torque is 150+ lbs from 1000 to 9000 rpm.

Who cares about peak torque...? On a road course (track), when you stay in your powerband, low end torque is totally irrelevant.

Oh yeah, and 300hp n/a on a F20C is nearly impossible unless you dish out tons of money. The engine is almost maxed out from factory.

Nothing but love here, I own an 02'. I just don't think its worth the cost for the swap

[HaLo]

That I agree.. Added to the fast that it was turboed... But who cares, I just hate the "torque" bashing... The F20C is of the best 4cyl in the world... (N/A that is)

[nightshiftgarage]

for the record , ive owned a 99 gsr integra. i hated it and wasnt very impressed after i was told how great they are by the honda kids. v tech smeetech

[yarou]

for the record , ive owned a 99 gsr integra. i hated it and wasnt very impressed after i was told how great they are by the honda kids. v tech smeetech

different strokes

[ms!3]

all this talk and no link yet? meh

i remember about a year ago i saw an f20 swapped into a beat up white coupe on ebay. kinda cool in a way. too much work imo tho.

[HaLo]

For the record, I owned a SR'd 240sx... and it was slower at 7 psi on the track, on a drag strip, at everything. And it did horrible gas mileage too... :keke:

[Peter_North]

In a 2250lb car, 300hp is nothing to laugh at.

I know that, I was laughing at the fact that you think 300whp is easy to get out of an NA f20, turbo s2ks have dynoed under that.


For the record, I owned a SR'd 240sx... and it was slower at 7 psi on the track, on a drag strip, at everything. And it did horrible gas mileage too... :keke: Yay lets compare a shitty stock redtop swapped into a 240 to a $30,000 sports car.


300 hp in a honda means like 198 lbs. of tourqe. lol what turds , i hate hondas. f20c is a good replacement for like a 4age which , if im not mistaken , is also lacking in the tourqe dept. not a sr or ka I agree, hondas are retared. The only imports I like are Nissans and subarus....the rest are pointless.

[SHIFT_*grind*]

NA 300hp is by no means "easy" for the f20c

For real. Try getting 300 horses, N/A, out of *ANY* 2.0L engine (or 2.2L for that matter, if you want to try it with an AP2). There's not a damn thing that's "easy" about that, and it certainly wouldn't be cheap.

For what it's worth, my friend used to have an S2K and he took me for a ride in it a few times. I never drove it, but I didn't have to; I had more fun riding shotgun than I ever have in any other car. Who cares if you have to rev it to make power, and if it's actually not quite as fast as X car with Y mods? With the top down and the thing screaming up to 9K on every shift, it sure as hell feels like you hit 100 pretty quick :)

Such fun cars; if I can afford it in the next couple of years, it'll probably be my next purchase, whether it's slower than my S13 or not =P

[fromxtor]

I stopped reading super street due to their constant KA bashing. Seems the writing staff there is way too JDM to ever think about turboing a KA. :down:

[ThatGuy]

That is because they invented "JDM". It was their word to start with, so they are gonna ride the hell out of it.

[Peter_North]

That is because they invented "JDM". It was their word to start with, so they are gonna ride the hell out of it.

Yup, same with "time attack"

[HaLo]

Yay lets compare a shitty stock redtop swapped into a 240 to a $30,000 sports car.

BTW, that was my "shitty stock redtop swapped" 240sx: http://www.zilvia.net/f/vbpicgallery.php?do=view&g=8

[nightshiftgarage]

ok im over it

[PRADOgy]

Trust me, on a track, you will always feel lag. Always.

And when I meant faster, I meant on a track, not on illegal highway or street races...


here you go friend,

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?p=1638206#post1638206


:keke:

[PRADOgy]

f20c NA in a 240... pretty cool i guess.. faster than a ka and funner than a KA.. but dropping it in to boost it.. yeah stoopid!.. dont need to explain myself why.. it just is.

[Peter_North]

BTW, that was my "shitty stock redtop swapped" 240sx: http://www.zilvia.net/f/vbpicgallery.php?do=view&g=8


Looks good, but what I meant was an old ass redtop on 7 psi is by no means fast.

[HaLo]

here you go friend,

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?p=1638206#post1638206


:keke:

Most of the S2000 were faster... but the comparisom is bogus, it's not the same driver in the cars... ;) :keke:

[HaLo]

Looks good, but what I meant was an old ass redtop on 7 psi is by no means fast.

But it has way more torque than a F20C... ;)
And power was similar to F20C. I mean, 240hp on that redtop with all these boltons should match up no?

Anyways, I am just playing devil's advocate for all you Honda bashers... People need to understand that making power N/A = revving it up. And N/A, Torque is limited to whatever displacement can offer.

Let's not start talking about SR20 (N/A) torque. that is scary, even for the SR20VE. ;)

[VROOOM]

ive owned a 194 whp b18c powered hatch and a sr powered 240sx. civic was faster in a straight line by far, but it wasnt as fun to drive. having all that torque helps alot and makes things more interesting. but dont bash honda's they are the reason good parts are available for our cars.

[Peter_North]

ive owned a 194 whp b18c powered hatch and a sr powered 240sx. civic was faster in a straight line by far, but it wasnt as fun to drive. having all that torque helps alot and makes things more interesting. but dont bash honda's they are the reason good parts are available for our cars.

A stock SR usually dynos at 180whp.

Catback + FMIC + MBC + tuning = bye bye civic

[VROOOM]

A stock SR usually dynos at 180whp.

Catback + FMIC + MBC + tuning = bye bye civic


my sr had 3 in full exhaust front mount an intake and it ran 14.0. the motor in my civic ran 12.7 in a 4 door integra. hmm wonder what would win

[Peter_North]

my sr had 3 in full exhaust front mount an intake and it ran 14.0. the motor in my civic ran 12.7 in a 4 door integra. hmm wonder what would win

Got any proof? Theres people on here with low 12 second timeslips that are still running stop turbo SR's

You're just a honda fanboy. FWD sucks, and no matter how you look at it 240's are better drag platforms than anything FWD, especially honduhs.

[VROOOM]

i had a sr powered 240sx in 1999 yeah im honda fan boy

[Peter_North]

i had a sr powered 240sx in 1999 yeah im honda fan boy

You obviously are, talking about an imagenary 4 door 12 second integra. You honda people always bothered the crap out of me when I owned a T28 KA. Always wanting to race me, I risk getting a ticket and my license revoked hoping to get a good race but none could even come close to keeping up, even a " built " boosted GSR hatch. Seems like every honda kid wants a piece of the 240sx, envy much?

[SHIFT_*grind*]

Theres people on here with low 12 second timeslips that are still running stop turbo SR's

Got any proof?

Can we stop the bench racing and ignorant blanket statements, please?

[VROOOM]

You obviously are, talking about an imagenary 4 door 12 second integra. You honda people always bothered the crap out of me when I owned a T28 KA. Always wanting to race me, I risk getting a ticket and my license revoked hoping to get a good race but none could even come close to keeping up, even a " built " boosted GSR hatch. Seems like every honda kid wants a piece of the 240sx, envy much?

i respect all fast cars, unlike you. i know that hondas can be fast, you seem to deny that

[Peter_North]

i respect all fast cars, unlike you. i know that hondas can be fast, you seem to deny that

I know they can be fast, its still easier to make a 240 faster and at the end of the day it isnt an annoying ugly little hatchback. 240s are at least RWD and look nice.

[SHIFT_*grind*]

Uhh...

S2000s are A) not ugly, B) not hatchbacks (which most S13s are, by the way), and C) not FWD.

......

[Peter_North]

Uhh...

S2000s are A) not ugly, B) not hatchbacks (which most S13s are, by the way), and C) not FWD.

......

I'm taling about civics which I find ugly, and the S2000 I dont find very good looking either. Oh btw, the 240s are actually FASTBACKS, which arent the same as hatchbacks. You wouldnt call a 350z a hatchback would you? No...

[ManoNegra]

for the record , ive owned a 99 gsr integra. i hated it and wasnt very impressed after i was told how great they are by the honda kids. v tech smeetech

Knew a guy with one years ago with just a few suspension mods. De-baged it would make an ideal daily driver imo.

For the record, I owned a SR'd 240sx... and it was slower at 7 psi on the track, on a drag strip, at everything. And it did horrible gas mileage too... :keke:

I thought S2000s and 240s had similar gas mileage, ~25mpg or so, no? Anyways, I would love an S2000 but two seater and high insurance just doesn't make it very practical to me.

I stopped reading super street due to their constant KA bashing. Seems the writing staff there is way too JDM to ever think about turboing a KA. :down:

Whatever sells the mags...

Don't get the Honda bashing going on, they're reliable capable cars. I'd rock an EG6 or EK9 as a daily. It's the fanboys, Honda and Nissan alike that kill it either way.

[Peter_North]

Don't get the Honda bashing going on, they're reliable capable cars. I'd rock an EG6 or EK9 as a daily. It's the fanboys, Honda and Nissan alike that kill it either way.

Yea for a daily...anything other than that is just pointless with a honda.

[SHIFT_*grind*]

which arent the same as hatchbacks.

Oh God. Explain to me the difference, then, in painstaking detail.

Hatchback, fastback, liftback, whatever the hell you want to call it. It's a big-ass piece of glass that lifts up to reveal a trunk, or trunk-like compartment.

[Peter_North]

Oh God. Explain to me the difference, then, in painstaking detail.

Hatchback, fastback, liftback, whatever the hell you want to call it. It's a big-ass piece of glass that lifts up to reveal a trunk, or trunk-like compartment.


Its still not a hatchback, not a coupe either obviously, but not a hatch. Does a 240sx look anything like a crx? How about a mid 90s civic? No it does not.

[SHIFT_*grind*]

Then why does everybody who owns one call it a hatch. Dude.

Never mind.

[PRADOgy]

ok.. if you guys are talking about drag racing this little argument will never end... all in all ZERO-YON blows any who..

f20c engine is really fun.. but in order to make big power in that engine you need a big bank account..

that engine NA is real fun.. i dont see a point in boosting it.. if thats the case your SR or RB or hell even 1J options are far beyond that F20/22c ..in a financial or HP point of view

[markyboi]

i would love to have a stock bodied (ek, dc integra or a si coupe) with a k20 swap as a dd.

[markyboi]

well, his "dictionary/encyclopedia" describes hatchback as a civic..

so if it's a r32 golf, he wouldnt call it a hatchback because its not a civic

[Peter_North]

well, his "dictionary/encyclopedia" describes hatchback as a civic..

so if it's a r32 golf, he wouldnt call it a hatchback because its not a civic

The 240sx does not look anything like an R32 golf. Those are traditional "hot hatches "

Do you people know anything about cars or what? Am I the only one here that knows other things about cars than " drift, skyline, Volk, SR20det, JDM,body kit " ?

[SHIFT_*grind*]

OK. Since you know so much about cars, I'll ask you one more time.

Explain to me the definition of a hatchback.

THEN, explain to me the definition of a fastback.

DEFINITION. Which means "a civic is a hatch, a 240 is not" DOESN'T COUNT.

[markyboi]

read and learn:

http://www.reference.com/search?q=hatchback

[Peter_North]

http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc209/TSalz/civic.jpg


http://i215.photobucket.com/albums/cc209/TSalz/240sxxxx.jpg


A quick google search. Notice, 1 looks like an ugly bubble, the other looks like a sports car.

[markyboi]

^^^yeahp, his definition of hatchback is a civic...its like talking to a wall

[SHIFT_*grind*]

A quick google search. Notice, 1 looks like an ugly bubble, the other looks like a sports car.

Again, definition is based on what you think it looks like. Give me a definition, IN WORDS. Because, you know, that's what definitions are written in.

By the way, the first 10 pages of a Google image search of "fastback" are composed entirely of 1st generation Mustangs. No 240s to be found.



MY GOD I'M GETTING DUMBER WITH EVERY POST

[codyace]

i love honda and their motors... but putting an F20 on a car with an already capable engine replacement/engine is pretty dumb considering it would require a lot more prep to turbo it.

I wouldn't be calling a KA capable of that HP for , because to make it reliable is going to cost a chunk of change too. Please, no need for the 1-5 guys with 400 whp on their cars, as I'll post 50 who have blown up at 250hp.

lets put it this way, its like putting a LS1 into a Mustang. Sure you can do it, but why? The Mustangs V8 is already capable..

I'll keep the comment in regard to Fox bodies, because a stock LS1 will run the balls off of anything this side of a stroked 347. An ls1 fox with a decent driver is an easy 11 second car. I think there are guys with suspension and slicks running high 10's with them too.

That's because you, for some unknown reason, actually like the SR20DET.

Who doesn't like SR's?

NA F20C could make 300hp easily, while weighing 100 pounds less than an SR with a front mount.

300 hp easy in a s2k? Maybe with a 100 shot.



Who cares about peak torque...? On a road course (track), when you stay in your powerband, low end torque is totally irrelevant.

QFT. When you're above 4/5k all the time, torque doesn't gain or make much of a difference (realitivly speaking of course).

A stock SR usually dynos at 180whp.

Catback + FMIC + MBC + tuning = bye bye civic

Maybe versus a stock GSR or a D series

Not if the Little civic has a worked B18 or even better a worked k20, or a k20/k24.


here you go friend,

:keke:

I assume you don't go to track days much...


I think it's a neat swap, perfect for magazine exposure!

[RJayS.]

i have a 2001 civic ex and have nothing against honda.
but of course my SR'd 240 is funner to drive but i like RWD better and the civic has a slow D series engine great on gas. there is only one car company i dislike but i wont bring that up.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Who said whp?

Who said stock displacement?

I used to build Porsche engines, so easy is a relative term.

Besides, we stray from my point.

Lighter-than-stock engine plus lighter-than-stock car means better weight distribution and insane response.

[DALAZ_68]

Nah, the 240 owner hated torque. :keke:

:keke::keke::keke::keke: nice one lol

[racepar1]

WOW all of you missed the whole point of the swap! The point was to gain reliability. The sr20's valvetrain sucks, period. Whatever nissan engineer decided to put rocker arms on a DOHC high-revving turbo engine should be HANGED BY THE BALLS! They had multiple valvetrain failures on his previous car so they decided to try something different. I personally don't like the swap, but at least it had a point.

[Pank]

if the point was reliability, why isn't he swapping a mercedes diesel into it?

[racepar1]

if the point was reliability, why isn't he swapping a mercedes diesel into it?

Your sarcasm is staggering. LOL Seriously though they covered the swap and interviewed them in (ugh!) import tuner. According to the interview the primary reason was reliability. God I feel like such a ricer for mentioning import tuner!

[drift freaq]

Again, definition is based on what you think it looks like. Give me a definition, IN WORDS. Because, you know, that's what definitions are written in.

By the way, the first 10 pages of a Google image search of "fastback" are composed entirely of 1st generation Mustangs. No 240s to be found.



MY GOD I'M GETTING DUMBER WITH EVERY POST

Well if you look up the 180sx and the 240sx Fastback in all Nissan info you will discover that yes S13 Fastbacks are fastbacks as designated by the parent company. Now you can be uninformed and call it a hatch like most ex honda people do as well as less educated people do. Though in true sense of the term its a Fastback as is a 240z regardless of it having a deck lid(that Honda and lazy people call hatchs).
Hell even I have called it a hatch inadvertently because so many people say it and I hear them saying it so often. It does not make it true or right. Its a fastback.

P.s. this is not a flame of you its a statement of facts. Now quite arguing over it and get back on topic.

[SHARKERIOcoupe]

craaaazy...has any one seen or found a link to this thing?

post it man

[BustedS13]

The magazines all suck now. I used to like SCC, now they change editors like every 3 months and it's only about 50 pages thick.

And I can never find GRM. :(

scc is going out of print like this month

[SimpleS14]

craaaazy...has any one seen or found a link to this thing?

post it man


You bump an old thread for this? :ughd:

[SHIFT_*grind*]

scc is going out of print like this month

I posted that in another thread. Wires get crossed somewhere? ;)

[shishcabobers]

scc is going out of print like this month

Yeah got a notification that SCC last issue and the continuation of my subscription will go to modified....talk about fail.

[CrimsonRockett]

Bumping old threads...

You nasty.

:lockd: