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stil bil
09-29-2002, 07:33 PM
well i have searched and cannot find exactly what i am looking for,

as many of  you know i am trying to be unique and build a na monster(as much of a monster that can be built)

now i was wondering what you guys would suggest...sound doesnt really matter too muchjust want something that doesnt sound like a freakin FART CAN!!, neither does price, i just want to get most performance for what i get...

i finally found a place to buy the fireball and the others will be bought from enjuku...

SimpleS14
09-29-2002, 07:49 PM
N1 Dual......

but then again I also like the Greddy MX &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/huh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':huh:'>

stil bil
09-29-2002, 07:53 PM
ok, so dual and mx, what are the pros and cons of each when compared to each other?

just noticed i surpased 200 posts yay for me!! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

i hate rice rockets
09-29-2002, 08:32 PM
i personally like the n1..not dual just the regular n1...its nice and deep...so i suggest on getting that <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

BEISSEN
09-29-2002, 08:33 PM
I personaly think the n1 Duel will give the best power.It keeps low end and build mid to high end hp.It also sounds great as well real nice tone and sound get loud when you get on it but that it.Nothing like a honda exhaust.

240silvia
09-29-2002, 09:54 PM
N1 Dual. &nbsp;My friend Desmond has a 2000 Honda S2K. &nbsp;He has dual N1's on it. &nbsp;Sounds just like a street bike. &nbsp;You will like it, trust me.

Kreator
09-29-2002, 10:02 PM
cmon guys. We are talking about .5 hp difference. I say go for what u think looks or sounds best (i'm not gonna recommend anything cuz i don't like the way any of those look)

SimpleS14
09-29-2002, 10:14 PM
actually I like the N1 Dual better...

good for mid to high end power
sounds friggin awesome
Two....yes two 90mm phatty SS tips that are just perfect for that phat ass...your car is a S-14...right? &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>
Can handle more exhaust flow and good for N/A applications....

and turbo applications.....just incase you want to join the turbo crowd &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sly:'>

I probably just like it more, because I want it. &nbsp; <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/huh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':huh:'>

I think Greddy should have made an EVO exhaust for our cars.

guidot
09-29-2002, 10:19 PM
I have heard and felt all power increases in those exhausts (except MX) and I will have to say, overall the 5Zigen is the best sounding and very good in overall performance. &nbsp;There is no loss on low end, and high end just wants to keep revving! &nbsp;That 5500rpm "dead" feeling is gone! &nbsp;

Fireball is my pick.

Cheng
09-29-2002, 10:23 PM
you should look up on the Bee R ones they sound deep on the KA

SimpleS14
09-29-2002, 10:59 PM
Did any of your guys read that article in Import Tuner...Power Pages (OCT. 2003)??

They reported 8hp gain with the Fireball...i just wanted to put that in...

but my pick is still N1 Dual <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>



<font size=1>must increase post count</font> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/lookaround.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':look:'>

Dousan_PG
09-29-2002, 11:11 PM
GREDDY DD!!
that exhaust looks AMAZING on S14s!! UGH..beautiful

Loren
09-29-2002, 11:25 PM
yeah Im actually going to agree with Kreator for once.. this is a worthless thread in my eyes, mainly because stil bil posts about every little mod hes going to do to his car, like he got an intake, ooh big deal, post all about it..

NiteKids
09-29-2002, 11:33 PM
if you want dead silent exhaust and 8 hp gain.........5z fireball. &nbsp;I have that and it's for sale

Chicken Magnet
09-30-2002, 12:15 AM
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'> If you want the ultimate setup and cheaper than all the exhausts you have mentioned, try this:

Find the largest coffee can and just get it welded on to your current piping. &nbsp;Just make sure you get it angled a bit to get that "N1" look. &nbsp;If you want duals, just get 2 medium sized coffee cans, weld them together and then weld it on to your current piping. &nbsp;

Dyno HP: &nbsp;0
Butt Dyno HP: &nbsp;15

I personally have an S14a and have the single N1. &nbsp;I'm NA and I wished I could have gotten the Dual N1s. &nbsp;Hope this helps <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

i hate rice rockets
09-30-2002, 12:21 AM
i guess no one likes the n1.... <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> &nbsp;but hey i like it...shit so thats all that counts! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/satisfied.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':satisfied:'>

stil bil
09-30-2002, 01:22 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Loren @ Sep. 30 2002,12:25)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">mainly because stil bil posts about every little mod hes going to do to his car, like he got an intake, ooh big deal, post all about it..</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
big deal man, if i am not mistaken is the forum here for us to talk about what we are going to do to our cars...

you on the other hand all you do is insult people and never post about any car....much less a 240...

now im not gonna say anything else..

stil bil
09-30-2002, 01:23 AM
by the way guys thanks for the replys...

i think i will get either the duals or the fireball...

Rownan
09-30-2002, 12:43 PM
I have the GReddy MX on my S14... &nbsp;I like it, with the rear muffler and tip polished it is blinding from behind people give me props on it all the time cause it is really eye catching. &nbsp;It sounds sweet nice growl in the high end, low rumble at idle.

Can't really comment on it in comparison to other aftermarket exhaust systems but it does give a good midrange boost to horsepower. &nbsp;With the hotshot headers and 11:1 compression I am very happy.

Tyler Durdan
09-30-2002, 06:05 PM
F*ck the apexi n1, n1 duels, 5zigen fireball, greddy mx, and the hks hyper series (no offence to anyone). Get the HKS Super Dragger jdm exhaust. Comes with 65mm piping, install is a snap, and is extremely smooth. Plus, the gains are phenomenal for an exhaust system imho. Deep, and quiet...until you let it rip into the second cam with throttle fully suppressed. You can't even hear it when you are cruising hardly, and it's extremely deep on downshifts. PM, I got a great deal on mine, and could probably get you the same.

Also, it WILL transfer over if you do the sr swap....it's actually built for the sr, but the guy I got it from accidentally recieved some of the jdm ones.

drift into a curb
09-30-2002, 06:43 PM
ooo JDM whoa! WHOA! JDM &nbsp;

The HKS Super JDM Dragger has 65mm piping and you said that would be okay on an sr20det if you decide to &nbsp;to go to swap your motor? &nbsp;That's more for a strict NA application. 80-90mm (3") piping &nbsp;is what you'd want for a turbo car..

Stee Flo
09-30-2002, 06:54 PM
I like the hks hiper. &nbsp;It has 65mm piping for na applications.

SR20Fastback
09-30-2002, 07:05 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Tyler Durdan @ Sep. 30 2002,5:05)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">F*ck the apexi n1, n1 duels, 5zigen fireball, greddy mx, and the hks hyper series (no offence to anyone). Get the HKS Super Dragger jdm exhaust. Comes with 65mm piping, install is a snap, and is extremely smooth. Plus, the gains are phenomenal for an exhaust system imho. Deep, and quiet...until you let it rip into the second cam with throttle fully suppressed. You can't even hear it when you are cruising hardly, and it's extremely deep on downshifts. PM, I got a great deal on mine, and could probably get you the same.

Also, it WILL transfer over if you do the sr swap....it's actually built for the sr, but the guy I got it from accidentally recieved some of the jdm ones.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Ahh yes the super dragger is very nice. If I had an S14 I would probably already have one. The canister on the muffler is HUGE, I have no idea how you wouldnt scrape it all the time?

stil bil
09-30-2002, 08:13 PM
well i have just about decided to &nbsp;go with the ApexiN1 Duals

sorry Tyler but unless you can get the Dragger system any cheaper than 600 (Enjuku) than duals here i come!!

CoasTek240
09-30-2002, 08:33 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (guidot @ Sep. 29 2002,12:19)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I have heard and felt all power increases in those exhausts (except MX) and I will have to say, overall the 5Zigen is the best sounding and very good in overall performance. There is no loss on low end, and high end just wants to keep revving! That 5500rpm "dead" feeling is gone!

Fireball is my pick.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
personally..i'd say the fireball is the best for n/a tuning..i agree.. but if u think u may go turbo later. go with the n-1 dual

BEISSEN
09-30-2002, 08:41 PM
The Apex-i N1 Duel has a better transfer rateing then most exhaut.It helps with the N/A KA24DE and when you do a sr swap it is ideal as well.It has 80mm pipeing to 120mm canisters then to 90mm tips.It has a nice note tone and only really get wild when you get on it as well.
&nbsp; If you don't like the loudness you can get the super silencers and boy do they lower your tone.I know i have the n1 duel and the silencers"which are not used at all much".When i get to about 40+mph it just wants to keep pulling i hit 50mph without realizing it most the time.It is so smooth in the power band and with the CAI it is awsome.i can't hear my intake at all with the exhaust but who cares.
&nbsp; Also who give a hoot about the term JDM?If i bought everything just cus of JDM i would not have any money.Plus 65mm pipeing is awful for turbo thats like 2.5 inch pipeing you need a minimum of 2.75+ which i have almost 5.25 due to pipes.Thats all imo thought so no bashing.

bing
09-30-2002, 09:12 PM
well i have the n1 dual.

if you ahd the opportunity to test all the exhausts you'll prolly find the only differences are the sound and appearance. the hp gains should be relatively uniform for all.

the reason i got the N1 dual, is because you see all these N1 lookalikes on civics, cav's, sunfires, and suzuki swifts!!!!

the Dual pipes really differentiates, and gets a few looks. even if they are bad ones.

Black 97SE
09-30-2002, 10:29 PM
hey Stil, you ever think about getting the Blitz Nur Spec R???
probably has the deepest sound out of all those exhausts. &nbsp;And it's a full SS cat-back exhaust too =). &nbsp;Not like anybody's ever going to look under your car, but I mean it helps to know that it'll look shinny hehe.
I personally will go the Nur Spec or the N1 dual.

nas240man
09-30-2002, 10:38 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think Greddy should have made an EVO exhaust for our cars.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Jspec.com carries the greddy EVO for our cars. s13 and s14, they look sweet as hell, but prolly cost a left gonad <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>

drift into a curb
10-01-2002, 02:44 AM
I'd say the Apex GT spec is deeper than the Blitz nur spec R if deep is what you are going for..

Oh yeah, my friend had the Greddy EVO on his prelude, that thing sounds kinda ricey if you ask me, but it may be different on our car. &nbsp;Anyone else heard the evo?

BEISSEN
10-01-2002, 12:38 PM
If you are going turbo the gt spec is ok.But as far as n/a the gt spec goes you will losse all bottom end and only gain slight top end that thing is about 4-4.5" pipeing and yeah you will get a deep tone that rattels window of houses trust me i was told.uuninja has that exhaust and before he was turbo it was crazy loud.stil bil is going for n/a ka setup so the gt spec is out imo.The n1 gets a deep tone and idels very sweet notes just a low enough tone to know that the car is on.

Kreator
10-01-2002, 12:46 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (BEISSEN @ Sep. 30 2002,9:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Plus 65mm pipeing is awful for turbo thats like 2.5 inch pipeing you need a minimum of 2.75+ which i have almost 5.25 due to pipes.Thats all imo thought so no bashing.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
But whenever you aren't using the turbo, you are running a n/a car on 3 inch exhaust with the turbo slowing the air down even more. That basicly means that the exhaust flow is really low what results in low end losses even on a turbo car.

SimpleS14
10-01-2002, 02:01 PM
Once again I say N1 dual &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

this thread should be done since he pretty much made his mind.....right?

ca18guy
10-01-2002, 02:38 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ Oct. 02 2002,07:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (BEISSEN @ Sep. 30 2002,9:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Plus 65mm pipeing is awful for turbo thats like 2.5 inch pipeing you need a minimum of 2.75+ which i have almost 5.25 due to pipes.Thats all imo thought so no bashing.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
But whenever you aren't using the turbo, you are running a n/a car on 3 inch exhaust with the turbo slowing the air down even more. That basicly means that the exhaust flow is really low what results in low end losses even on a turbo car.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
How do you not use your turbo? Do you mean turn it to low boost. &nbsp;Even then I would think a large diameter would help, it might hurt the low end but if your on low boost your not really looking for the most performance anyway.

BEISSEN
10-01-2002, 03:27 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> (BEISSEN @ Sep. 30 2002,9:41)
Plus 65mm pipeing is awful for turbo thats like 2.5 inch pipeing you need a minimum of 2.75+ which i have almost 5.25 due to pipes.Thats all imo thought so no bashing.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Kreator Posted on Oct. 01 2002,1:46
But whenever you aren't using the turbo, you are running a n/a car on 3 inch exhaust with the turbo slowing the air down even more. That basicly means that the exhaust flow is really low what results in low end losses even on a turbo car.
</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

&nbsp;Hey Kreator if you run a turbo you want a bigger diameter pipeing,Yes a little low end will be lost but you will get greater numbers in the mid to top.Hince the reason is you are releasing alot more gas flow then a 2.5/65mm pipeing which is what you want you will not spool as quick but not that bad in differance.If you want to make the 400hp mark like boosteds14 does you need to release more gas so you can boost higher and get more power.On the n/a setup you aren't worried as much with releasing as much gas but you do want to release more then a stock exhaust right.So the N1 Duel keeps low end and builds mid to high end horespower and it is also great for boost applications due to two pipes that are comming off a 3' pipe where the cat ends the new pipe starts and then it goes to about 2.75' pipes to 120mm canisters then to 90mm tips.So imo the Apex-i N1 Duel will support the best in a n/a application.

RedSuns
10-01-2002, 03:34 PM
JUST GET THE FREAKING N-1 DUAL.....you WON'T be disappointed with the sound.....

Kreator
10-01-2002, 09:26 PM
What i meant was that at low rpms, when yer turbo doesn't have enough spool to produce any noticable pressure, your only difference from a n/a car is that u got this spinning thingy in the way of yer exhaust. And from what i understand that would actually make you lose more low end than an n/a car with the same diameter exhaust.

Now i was going to mention that, but i was in a rush and thought i'd save it for later, but u guys mentioned it yerselves. Whenever you are planning to run what boosted is running, than yeah, 3" is hte way to go. But at 7-10psi i don't think you are pushing any more than 2.5" can handle <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>

guidot
10-01-2002, 09:36 PM
So anyways, boosteds14 had a 2.5" exhaust, and i know cuz I just bought it. &nbsp;He said it didn't spool until 4500rpm or so. &nbsp;So Kreator, can you explain what would happen if he got bigger piping? &nbsp;Would it not spool until like 5500? &nbsp;That seems a bit odd to me.

Chicken Magnet
10-01-2002, 09:49 PM
I had the Evo on my Civic before I crashed it and it sucked! &nbsp;I had the N1 on it as well, and I loved it until it got yanked out from under my car! &nbsp;My car was slammed and the piping didn't help either as it was low to the ground.

Oh yeah, and just get the stinkin' Dual N1 for NA application and the single N1 for turbo.

Kreator
10-01-2002, 10:10 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (guidot @ Oct. 01 2002,10:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So anyways, boosteds14 had a 2.5" exhaust, and i know cuz I just bought it. He said it didn't spool until 4500rpm or so. So Kreator, can you explain what would happen if he got bigger piping? Would it not spool until like 5500? That seems a bit odd to me.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I don't think it would be affected that much. But from what i understand the spool up rpm will go up (not as much though). The difference though is that now at the peak psi he is making more, since he is able to flow more &nbsp;gasses through, unlike with the 2.5" piping. But since he got bigger piping, he's torque at like 2500 rpm is much lower now, cuz he doesn't have enough speed to flow the gas through the 3" exhaust.

Chicken Magnet
10-04-2002, 11:27 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (bing @ Sep. 30 2002,10:12)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">well i have the n1 dual.

if you ahd the opportunity to test all the exhausts you'll prolly find the only differences are the sound and appearance. the hp gains should be relatively uniform for all.

the reason i got the N1 dual, is because you see all these N1 lookalikes on civics, cav's, sunfires, and suzuki swifts!!!!

the Dual pipes really differentiates, and gets a few looks. even if they are bad ones.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'> BLING BLING, You're right on brotha! &nbsp;I had the single N1 for my Civic and all the ricers are getting N1 look alikes even for their Geo Metros! &nbsp;

I just bought a Dual N1 for my 98 S14, which will replace my current Single N1. &nbsp;Any buyers? &nbsp;I live in the Central Valley (Modesto, Ca) and won't ship. &nbsp;Might as well, get it brand new than paying for shipping! &nbsp;E-mail me at [email protected] if interested.

Grant
10-04-2002, 11:43 PM
HKS Super Dragger 65mm is not JDM. the 85MM Dragger II is.

HKS hiper would be a nice choice, it is designed the same way as the N-1, but it has 65mm piping, good for N/A

the fireball is nice, I have it on my car now (I traded nite kids).. the performance is everything other members say, but I'm not fond of the looks..

The Greddy DD was by far the niceslty looking exhaust I've had, and yet the most obnoxious one. If you dont care for noise go for this one. it functions like an N-1 dual minimal low end less despite the large piping (85mm- two 60mm) with the silencers (which come with the exhaust) it is not very loud probably a bit louder than the fireball. Jspec.com sells this exhaust for $600 shipped. check out other exhausts on the site. I believe they also have an HKS hiper (which I'd prefer over the fireball) for $500 shipped.

SR20Fastback
10-04-2002, 11:50 PM
Ahh jeah, bought my N1 Dual tonight. Im hoping it doesnt take too long to ship, and maybe it comes with silencers (hopefully) just incase its too loud. I suppose there are already a bunch of reviews, so I guess I dont need to write one, now do I?

Chicken Magnet
10-05-2002, 12:11 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SR20Fastback @ Oct. 05 2002,12:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ahh jeah, bought my N1 Dual tonight. Im hoping it doesnt take too long to ship, and maybe it comes with silencers (hopefully) just incase its too loud. I suppose there are already a bunch of reviews, so I guess I dont need to write one, now do I?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
How much did you get your N1 Duals for? &nbsp;I bet you not for less than I did! &nbsp;$510 shipped for my S14a from Wayne at www.phase2motortrend.com. &nbsp;Tell him Eric sent you if anyone of you guys buy one too. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

SR20Fastback
10-05-2002, 12:40 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Chicken Magnet @ Oct. 04 2002,11:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SR20Fastback @ Oct. 05 2002,12:50)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ahh jeah, bought my N1 Dual tonight. Im hoping it doesnt take too long to ship, and maybe it comes with silencers (hopefully) just incase its too loud. I suppose there are already a bunch of reviews, so I guess I dont need to write one, now do I?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
How much did you get your N1 Duals for? I bet you not for less than I did! $510 shipped for my S14a from Wayne at www.phase2motortrend.com. Tell him Eric sent you if anyone of you guys buy one too. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Same place I got it from... 479 before shipping I assume. I did get 2nd day air, cause I want it now damnit!! Cant wait, I have so many exhaust leaks, it was just time for the N1 Dual <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

stil bil
10-05-2002, 12:45 AM
ok guys it is now down to the Greddy DD N1 Dual and fireball...


given my most recent post about my efforts to get a supercharger on my car, of the 3 would the DD be best to accomidate the extra airflow, i know that it is made for turbo...but grant had it on his na and now nite kid does, so i would assume that it does not "hurt" performance on the na car...and would be safe to run on my car for the time being!

what do yall think?

Tyler Durdan
10-05-2002, 12:50 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (drift into a curb @ Sep. 29 2002,8:43)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">ooo JDM whoa! WHOA! JDM

The HKS Super JDM Dragger has 65mm piping and you said that would be okay on an sr20det if you decide to to go to swap your motor? That's more for a strict NA application. 80-90mm (3") piping is what you'd want for a turbo car..</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Been a while since I have looked at this post. But here ya go

The reason I said the JDM super dragger is because it's an actual jdm super dragger (I would state usdm if it was usdm, just trying to describe the exaust specifically)...it wasn't suppose to ship over here at all. The distributor got a couple of them by mistake. The instructions are completely in Japanese...and it's specifies it's meant for the sr20de. I can scan and drop the instructions if you don't believe me. As for the 3" piping...not true in all cases according to the lead mechanic at Boostfactor (local aftermarket shop that specifies in the 240 tuning). He says that the t-25 turbo on the sr redtops will work better with the 65mm piping than with 80-90mm piping. This comes from a guy who averages three sr20det swaps every two weeks. You want to be a smartass...go to clubsi.com.

Edit: &nbsp;after looking at the specifications and doing the best I could with translation on the internet, it is designed for the sr20de I believe. &nbsp;I'm gonna measure the piping tomorrow to figure out if it's 65mm, or 80mm (I was eyeballing it before).

Tyler Durdan
10-05-2002, 12:54 AM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (stil bil @ Sep. 29 2002,10:13)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">well i have just about decided to go with the ApexiN1 Duals

sorry Tyler but unless you can get the Dragger system any cheaper than 600 (Enjuku) than duals here i come!!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I got mine for $430.00 plus tax...I could probably get the same deal. &nbsp;The guy just wants to get rid of them, so he can get more of the usdm hks super draggers...these go for high 500's to 650's I believe is what he quoted me at. &nbsp;Let me know if your interested...I can call him tomorrow. &nbsp;It's an actual shop too, not some guy who buys and resales. &nbsp;He's an official HKS distributor. &nbsp;Go to hks-usa.com (I think that's right) and click on the distributor link...He's located in Texas. &nbsp;Shop is Alamo Autosports.

mbmbmb23
10-05-2002, 03:48 PM
Hey Grant....your Zilvia PM box is full &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> so I'll ask my question on here instead. &nbsp;So the Greddy DD is "obnoxious"?? (on NA Im assuming) Could you elaborate? &nbsp;What about WITH the silencers installed? &nbsp;Were the silencers included in the kit..or purchased separately? &nbsp;I like the OEM "sleeper" look...but...I dont want anything thats obnoxious (for NA).

thanks,

M

Kreator
10-05-2002, 04:41 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (mbmbmb23 @ Oct. 05 2002,4:48)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Hey Grant....your Zilvia PM box is full <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> so I'll ask my question on here instead. So the Greddy DD is "obnoxious"?? (on NA Im assuming) Could you elaborate? What about WITH the silencers installed? Were the silencers included in the kit..or purchased separately? I like the OEM "sleeper" look...but...I dont want anything thats obnoxious (for NA).

thanks,

M</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
No way is it a sleeper look. Dual 4" tips.... that looks anything but OEM to me <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':eh:'>

mbmbmb23
10-05-2002, 09:14 PM
Sure its not as OEM looking as the Borla application..or the one HKS makes.... but it looks more OEM than dual cannister mufflers (N1 dual).

-m

SimpleS14
10-05-2002, 09:51 PM
I'm going to order the N1 dual next week (second wk. of October)....thats when payday is coming up. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

I know this is not my thread, but I wanted to add that bit in. &nbsp;I'm joining the N1 dual crew.... stil bil ...you should join us. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sly:'>

stil bil
10-05-2002, 10:09 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (GT specR @ Oct. 05 2002,10:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">.... stil bil ...you should join us. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sly:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
i may be joining, its either gonna be the duals or the DD

Grant
10-06-2002, 03:16 AM
"You want to be a smartass...go to clubsi.com."
Tyler. The SR20DE exhaust made for the JDM silvia is the same one used on the USDM KA24. 65mm piping. basically the exhaust is the same the packging is different, but nonetheless, same exhaust, and the point I am trying to make is that it is not difficult to obtain an HKS Hiper here, because it is readily avaliable to the US market (maybe not with japanese installation guide, etc, etc...).

I am not trying to be a smartass, and I dont waste my time looking or posting on clubsi.com, because I don't own an Si, nor do i have any particular interests in those cars. I am not trying to condscend or insult you in any way, so please accept my apologies if i did so &nbsp;I'm merely giving some insight to this JDM/USDM thing because, it is the same exhaust and people don't not need to pay more for the JDM label, but &nbsp;you obviously didnt, since you got it for $430 + shipping which is great..

Now the only way these two exhaust is different is if they used different style mufflers or pipe bends/route, but as far as I know, highly unlikely. If you can talk to boost factor to get a visual comparison, that would be great. &nbsp;

Jspec.com has the Hiper for $500 shipped anywhere in the lower 48 states. (I have no idea if this is JDM or not)

Boostfactor is correct, if you are running about 7psi, there is no need for too large of piping.

The DD on the other hand, to answer your question. 85 to 90mm (not exactly sure) piping to two 60mm pipes &nbsp;is what makes it loud. the exhaust is loud even on an SR20DET. For the s14, just imaging 2 apex N-1 single canisters. thats how big the tips are and there are no silencers. it gives the car that musclecar look with the muffler towards the center of the car with just big 4.25" tips out the back. Looks mean, but not even close to stock.... and having no rear silencers is what make it exceptionally loud. However, the exhaust comes supplied with a set of silecners to quiet it down, which brings the noise down to slightly above the normal aftermarkt exhaust levels.

N-1 would be best option for people planning to go turbo. It actually looks more low profile than the Greddy DD, and is more tapered to the car. the only thing I dont like about it is the fact that it is canisters, but some people do like it, so it is merely preference. N-1 is not as loud due to having the presilencers and the rear silencers.

If you're looking for something not too loud, and gives you great gas milage, look into the 5 zigen fireball N/A 60mm. it is relatively quiet, and gives you good performance gains for N/A because exhaust flow. The right amount achieves the greatest results.

This is based on experience I've had with exhaust I've had on my car (I change just about everything on my car once in a while to test things out).

Tanabe G-Power Medallion
HKS Drager (with a dual tip mufffler welded on). 65mm
Apex N-1 Single 75-85mm
Greddy MX 60mm
Greddy DD 85/90- 2x60mm
5zigen Fireball 60mm

I think there is something wrong with ikonboard. I only have 4 messages in my inbox. If you guys have questions please feel free to email me, [email protected]

Tyler Durdan
10-06-2002, 03:24 PM
Grant...I wasn't calling you a smartass in any way...it was the other guy blabbing on about my response saying I had the JDM super dragger, when all I was trying to do was give a description.

I went out to Boostfactor to do a comparison between the super dragger for the ka and the sr20de. &nbsp;Piping is exactly the same, muffler is same in measurements, but the internal structure looked different. &nbsp;The mechanics said the sr20de dragger system had a better setup inside the muffler, and that it was superior to the usdm dragger. &nbsp;I didn't question why though. &nbsp;

I have been told by these guys that I could run up to 18psi on the t25 turbo, and it would work better with the 65mm piping vs. 80 - 90mm piping.

Grant...sorry if you thought I was calling you a smartass...no pun intended towards you at all.

Kreator
10-06-2002, 03:30 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (mbmbmb23 @ Oct. 05 2002,10:14)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Sure its not as OEM looking as the Borla application..or the one HKS makes.... but it looks more OEM than dual cannister mufflers (N1 dual).

-m</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Yeah i'd agree on that. Much better than the dual. Yet still far away from the real OEM look <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

stil bil
10-07-2002, 04:06 PM
i really dont care if it looks oem or not....i just want something that will look good and not hurt performance!!!

still cant decide on the duals or the DD

Loren
10-07-2002, 04:33 PM
Seems like the same stuff geting regurgitated over and over again. Let it die, its just exhaust

Kreator
10-07-2002, 04:36 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (stil bil @ Oct. 07 2002,5:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">i really dont care if it looks oem or not....i just want something that will look good and not hurt performance!!!

still cant decide on the duals or the DD</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
that really depends on what you think looks good <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'> I sure find oem to look the best <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

kanekz
10-07-2002, 05:27 PM
Way before reading this post, my mind was set on getting either the Greddy DD or Greddy/Trust EVO2 (80mm). After reading this post, I am now contimplating Dual N-1's. My friend has Duals on his FD. It sounds pretty aggresive - you can even say "like a domestic" (very deep/throaty). I do like the N-1 canister type, but then again I have not seen the DD's on a S14 yet...which I might also like.

If anyone got any pics of the DD on a S14 shoot some here...and why not some pics of Dual N-1's on a S14. Thanks

Grant (or anybody else with a smart opinion), so your opinion is this for each application:
Greddy DD - N/A
Apexi Dual N-1 - Turbo

Am I correct?? I'm gonna go talk with Sam sometime this week about this....maybe pick my Spec D spoiler that he's been hold'n for me (for too long) while Im at it. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

SimpleS14
10-07-2002, 05:41 PM
I'm posting once again to recommended the N1 dual......just get that exhaust...its cheaper and not as loud as the DD (from what I'm reading).

The exhaust tips look good and angle much better than the DD, plus it's more flush with the bumper opening. &nbsp;You will noticed it when you check out NiteKids' car (w/ the DD) compare to xLSTONEx's car and about 20 others <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> (w/ the N1 Dual).

<font size="1">
My post in this thread are very repetitive(is that the word?) and I'm trying to tell you that you should get that exhaust.</font>

The only thing, IMO, that you should really think about is what to do to your engine (when you get the money), because that's the only thing that makes your car what it is....does that make sense? &nbsp;Trust me, when you have the money you will be debating with yourself whether or not to stay N/A or go turbo. &nbsp;Even if you change your mind and go turbo, you will have to think about SR or KA-T, plus what mods to stack on top of that (ex: BOV, and turbo timer). &nbsp; <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/whatsthat.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':whatthe:'>

BEISSEN
10-07-2002, 06:03 PM
Here is a pic of the N1 Duel on my s14a.

http://www.nv2.cc.va.us/home/joosborn1/images/apex-i-n1-duel.jpg
http://www.nv2.cc.va.us/home/joosborn1/images/apex-i-n1-duel-2.jpg

Loren
10-07-2002, 06:09 PM
awesome pics! I can see the exhaust so clearly

kanekz
10-07-2002, 06:14 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (GT specR @ Oct. 07 2002,4:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The only thing, IMO, that you should really think about is what to do to your engine (when you get the money), because that's the only thing that makes your car what it is....does that make sense? Trust me, when you have the money you will be debating with yourself whether or not to stay N/A or go turbo. Even if you change your mind and go turbo, you will have to think about SR or KA-T, plus what mods to stack on top of that (ex: BOV, and turbo timer). <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/whatsthat.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':whatthe:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
YES, you do make sense. &nbsp;I totally agree. &nbsp;NOW, I do have the money to do things I would like to (after months of savings). &nbsp;I could get my S14 front clip if I wanted to right now. (But w/the Sea Ports closed in L.A. and Long Beach, I hear that its tough right now). Luckily, I think my supplier has some in stock though. &nbsp;Anyhow, I might hold of installation until winter time when I have no WORK OR SCHOOL...because there will be some downtime on the car.
THIS SOUNDS LIKE A NEWBIE POST!! &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

As for the BOV, I bought a HKS SSbov (super sequential) off a friend that he used for 1 week. &nbsp;I have other Mods in mind, but I would feel like a NEWB listing them. But ya, I plan on going SR so turbo application exhst is needed. &nbsp;I still dont know which one to get :!: &nbsp;The DD sounds tempting, so does the Duals.

kanekz
10-07-2002, 06:20 PM
Here is a pic of another Duals on S14:
http://www.villagephotos.com/viewpub....d=78618 (http://www.villagephotos.com/viewpubimage.asp?id_=804892&selected=78618)

BEISSEN, do you have a pic of your s14 sraight on from the rear (straight behind the car)??

Anybody w/ DD on S14 pics??

SimpleS14
10-07-2002, 09:41 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (kanekz @ Oct. 06 2002,8:20)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Anybody w/ DD on S14 pics??</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Here is a pic of NiteKids car with the DD....

http://mason.gmu.edu/~ggaisey/images/NK.jpg

SimpleS14
10-07-2002, 09:54 PM
Here is xLSTONEx's car with the N1 Dual....

just posting incase anyone wanted to see....for the 500th time! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> .....J/K <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>

http://mason.gmu.edu/~ggaisey/images/XX.jpg &nbsp;http://mason.gmu.edu/~ggaisey/images/XX2.jpg

http://mason.gmu.edu/~ggaisey/images/XX1.jpg

stil bil
10-08-2002, 12:11 AM
ok heres the deal, i like the look of both exhausts on the s14, and from what i understand the duals have a low rumble and mean sound as sompared to the DD that i believe sounds basically the same but is 2x-3x as loud as the dual, and that doesnt bother me...what i want is something that will give the best performance...yeah yeah i know i have said this before...

i will prolly stay n/a for a good while(at least until U-H completes the supercharger or i get the know how and whearwithall to custom fit a sc to my car)....

so i will still prolly go with the Duals.... &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cool:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/cool.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':cool:'>