View Full Version : Attention All Members Of Zilvia.net!
S13SilviaGirl
12-01-2007, 09:11 AM
If you are all going to go on another forum to talk shit, DO NOT...I REPEAT DO NOT Mention Zilvia AT ALL!
We now have many more trolls coming over from other sites...and why? Because those of you that went to their site to stir shit up and mentioned zilvia have now brought the shit talking here. GROW UP...ALL OF YOU!
If I, or any other moderator/admin find out that you have done this, YOU WILL BE BANNED! IS THIS CLEAR?
We DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT need this crap. I would like to think of you all as adults, even our members that are under 18 act more mature than half of the members over 25...but if all you do is stir shit up on other forums and then mention Zilvia...you are not wanted here.
I am done with it...and there will be no leniency for this kind of crap.
ROIDMONKEY
12-01-2007, 09:15 AM
totally agree w/u on this .
GROW UP
mrmephistopheles
12-01-2007, 09:27 AM
This is pretty ridiculous.
We don't have any control over what you do elsewhere, but if we find out that you're making Zilvia look bad, we won't hesitate to distance ourselves from you.
Trolling is extremely lame and pointless, as it serves no other purpose beyond making the troll feel better about himself.
PRADOgy
12-01-2007, 10:08 AM
wow, didnt think it would come this far. not that im an og here.. but ill deff keep an eye out for them suspicious noobs:axe:
mrpeepers
12-01-2007, 10:54 AM
Just curious as to the thread that started it?
Found the thread, nm. Pretty sad that some poeple need to say crap to instigate
Like they say, "Don't feed the trolls!"
k's_silvia2.0
12-01-2007, 11:02 AM
If you are all going to go on another forum to talk shit, DO NOT...I REPEAT DO NOT Mention Zilvia AT ALL!
We now have many more trolls coming over from other sites...and why? Because those of you that went to their site to stir shit up and mentioned zilvia have now brought the shit talking here. GROW UP...ALL OF YOU!
If I, or any other moderator/admin find out that you have done this, YOU WILL BE BANNED! IS THIS CLEAR?
We DO NOT, I repeat DO NOT need this crap. I would like to think of you all as adults, even our members that are under 18 act more mature than half of the members over 25...but if all you do is stir shit up on other forums and then mention Zilvia...you are not wanted here.
I am done with it...and there will be no leniency for this kind of crap.
Me:Stands at attention.
"Sir yes Mam!!!!"
JDS Performance
12-01-2007, 11:07 AM
AMEN!:bigok:
Farzam
12-01-2007, 11:12 AM
If I find out you're making zilvia look back, I'LL BEAT YOU UP.
You think i'm kidding?
k's_silvia2.0
12-01-2007, 11:13 AM
If I find out you're making zilvia look back, I'LL BEAT YOU UP.
You think i'm kidding?
Get em Farzam!!!Get em!!!!
S13SilviaGirl
12-01-2007, 11:16 AM
If I find out you're making zilvia look back, I'LL BEAT YOU UP.
You think i'm kidding?
He is fucked up on pain killers right now, he'll do it too! :fawk2: :coolugh: :fawk2:
punxva
12-01-2007, 11:20 AM
yea nico already things we're a bunch of cocky ass douche bags please don't make me have to see a bunch of bullshit when i'm trying to tell noobs to search
Farzam
12-01-2007, 11:41 AM
He is fucked up on pain killers right now, he'll do it too! :fawk2: :coolugh: :fawk2:
"I'm here to kick ass and chew bubble gum, and I'm all out of bubble gum"
ixfxi
12-01-2007, 11:47 AM
all other forums suck anyway, who cares?
we should make a perm thread that tracks where people come from. then, forward all of us (or just me) to that forum and i'll tear the fucker down.
fuck other forums.
k's_silvia2.0
12-01-2007, 11:48 AM
all other forums suck anyway, who cares?
we should make a perm thread that tracks where people come from. then, forward all of us (or just me) to that forum and i'll tear the fucker down.
fuck other forums.
Hell yeah well just send you Mike.Then those others fools will be begging for forgiveness.
UfoZ8myCow
12-01-2007, 11:49 AM
yea nico already things we're a bunch of cocky ass douche bags please don't make me have to see a bunch of bullshit when i'm trying to tell noobs to search
That's the problem with being better than everyone else - people tend to assume you're pretentious.
jackjack
12-01-2007, 12:06 PM
"I'm here to kick ass and chew bubble gum, and I'm all out of bubble gum"
:rofl:
..................................
xamraci
12-01-2007, 12:10 PM
most other Nissan forums are just a constant shit fest anyway...I have trolled here for years thru other users...cant remember talking smack on Nico, KA-T, or any other nissan forum...Honda-Tech on the other hand, I have been kicked off of there atleast 3-4 times, admins dont like me
Werd...keep the Peace, dont let trolls mess with your uber goodness
mRclARK1
12-01-2007, 12:15 PM
It's lonely at the top. Zilvia just gets hated on for being number 1. :rawk:
I think it's time for a mass banning!
or would that mean me gone? :ugh:
ThatGuy
12-01-2007, 12:15 PM
I can handle other people coming here and talking shit. That's to be expected.
What I can't handle is people coming in from other sites to post pornographic images, homosexual or otherwise. The reason they did this was because a member of Zilvia did the exact same thing on their site. Guess what? I pinked him for it. That's right, he got pinked for something he posted OUTSIDE of Zilvia.net. That's how serious we are about this.
Some of you guys think this is just another forum on the internet. But for those of us who have been here for a while, or work here, this place is like home. I'll be damned if someone is going to walk into my home and disrespect me, and I'll be damned if I'm going to let someone disrespect others in the name of my home.
I don't care how many members we have so I have no problem banning ANYONE and EVERYONE that doesn't really want to be here. Respect our home, or leave it.
S13SilviaGirl
12-01-2007, 12:16 PM
all other forums suck anyway, who cares?
we should make a perm thread that tracks where people come from. then, forward all of us (or just me) to that forum and i'll tear the fucker down.
fuck other forums.
Mike,
while they can do what ever they please on another forum, we just don't want them reffering to zilvia in any way/shape/form....that makes us as a forum look bad, then creates a lot of BS that has to be weeded through, moderated and deleted....I get tired of seeing gay buttsecks after the 15th post....just not my bag...plus my hand and wrist hurt enough with regular moderating...now I gotta delete AND ban mofos....I need a damn vicodin (sp?) now...
NemeGuero
12-01-2007, 12:17 PM
I joined like fifty other sites just to say how awesome Zilvia is... don't punish me for my commitment.
;)
j/k
LB.Motoring
12-01-2007, 12:18 PM
There is other nissan forums?
S13SilviaGirl
12-01-2007, 12:27 PM
I joined like fifty other sites just to say how awesome Zilvia is... don't punish me for my commitment.
;)
j/k
long as you arent acting like a douche we dont care. Just dont post pornographic pics up, tell them they are a bunch of fags then refer them to zilvia for any reason. I don't want anyone mentioning anything about zilvia after they have done something like that.
Robby~yes there are other nissan forums....:fawkd:
NemeGuero
12-01-2007, 12:37 PM
I act like a douche everywhere I go.
Thats just how I do.
Deftec
12-01-2007, 01:03 PM
I'm on nearly every decent sized Nissan forum, and yea, each claims to be the best/etc...but each also has it's ups and down. WHY CAN'T WE ALL JUST GET ALONG?!
lovdrifting52
12-01-2007, 01:13 PM
thats gay!! people are just haters big time! their just jealous of what we have here at zilvia so Fck off haters
MrChow
12-01-2007, 01:38 PM
Uh... Well that's ppl you these days. I just say everyone as a right to there own opinion. But it doesn't mean you have to try to tell it to everyone. Bleh ppl. Moving on.
Time to get a Zilvia.net sticker. I'm sticking my laptop now. =P
JDS Performance
12-01-2007, 01:40 PM
I act like a douche everywhere I go.
Thats just how I do.
I will vouch for that :goyou: j/k :love:
motorsnail
12-01-2007, 01:52 PM
Yeah the cocksucken southern photo was a little :ghey: And I was trying to figure out how it got on his PC anyways. He neeeded to be banned:tweak:
Edit: He clearly owned him self with that picture........
2iv0 sx
12-01-2007, 01:57 PM
This is why I love ZILVIA
Mods do work and gets ALL the bullshit cleared out! :rawk:
Jung918
12-01-2007, 02:06 PM
Now if you guys could get serious with all the scammers on here. It seems to be getting worse everyday. The only mod that really seemed to do anything was phlip.
SiI40sx
12-01-2007, 02:06 PM
This thread is halirious :rofl: you always surprise me zilvia. I think this site has gained enough popularity to the point where people wont mind taking a test to become a member?? Its not like it wont be worth it, and it should at least keep some of the douchebags out
kdashy
12-01-2007, 02:07 PM
Awesome, time to narc on all those instigators.
k's_silvia2.0
12-01-2007, 02:11 PM
There is other nissan forums?
Naw aw where?
luftrofl
12-01-2007, 02:20 PM
The first thing that I ever heard about Zilvia (before I had ever been here) was how the users were a bunch of assholes. Now that I've been here for a while, I can say that that statement is not completely true ;) I hope that this is a step in the right direction.
Matej
12-01-2007, 02:28 PM
Can I still post gay porn on other forums without mentioning Zilvia?
motorsnail
12-01-2007, 02:29 PM
Awesome, time to narc on all those instigators.
No need to narc the guy that runs the site is cool. He would just send a mod the IP address's and its over.. I started some shit tell I read what the site stood for, Its not a bad thing just some of them are retards just like here.
AznDrftr.
12-01-2007, 02:31 PM
wow. i hate when that happens. especially for no damn reason at all.
Kn1ves
12-01-2007, 02:42 PM
The first thing that I ever heard about Zilvia (before I had ever been here) was how the users were a bunch of assholes. Now that I've been here for a while, I can say that that statement is not completely true ;) I hope that this is a step in the right direction.
You haven't been here long enough. We are a bunch of assholes.
2ilvia
12-01-2007, 02:47 PM
What I can't handle is people coming in from other sites to post pornographic images, homosexual or otherwise. The reason they did this was because a member of Zilvia did the exact same thing on their site. Guess what? I pinked him for it. That's right, he got pinked for something he posted OUTSIDE of Zilvia.net. That's how serious we are about this.
its like getting fired at work, your boss dont need no reason to fire you, but if you talk smack about his business, you will down (especially if hes italian)
NemeGuero
12-01-2007, 02:59 PM
Zilvia (is fucking retarded)
lol couldn't help it.
motorsnail
12-01-2007, 03:04 PM
its like getting fired at work, your boss dont need no reason to fire you, but if you talk smack about his business, you will down (especially if hes italian)
So what your saying is the people getting banned are sleeping with the fishes?
ixfxi
12-01-2007, 04:14 PM
I can handle other people coming here and talking shit. That's to be expected.
What I can't handle is people coming in from other sites to post pornographic images, homosexual or otherwise. The reason they did this was because a member of Zilvia did the exact same thing on their site. Guess what? I pinked him for it. That's right, he got pinked for something he posted OUTSIDE of Zilvia.net. That's how serious we are about this.
Some of you guys think this is just another forum on the internet. But for those of us who have been here for a while, or work here, this place is like home. I'll be damned if someone is going to walk into my home and disrespect me, and I'll be damned if I'm going to let someone disrespect others in the name of my home.
I don't care how many members we have so I have no problem banning ANYONE and EVERYONE that doesn't really want to be here. Respect our home, or leave it.
fuckit, if people act up ... delete em. ban em. get rid of them. makes no difference to me.
personally, i think zilvia should be 18+ 100%. If you're not 18, you have no fucking business being here. You're too poor to buy products, you're irresponsible, and you suck.
Second, I think that most of the forum should be invite only, or premium only. Basically, pay up or get the fuck outta here. There are too many 240SX owners, most of which are broke or thieves.
if you cant afford to be apart of this community, then go somewhere else. its not about being better than everyone else (even though we are) its just about taking the cream of the crop and leaving all the shit behind.
personally, i see no advantage to this forum being public. its a waste of bandwidth and ends up attracting kids that are either underage or dont even own 240's.
projectRDM
12-01-2007, 04:16 PM
fuckit, if people act up ... delete em. ban em. get rid of them. makes no difference to me.
personally, i think zilvia should be 18+ 100%. If you're not 18, you have no fucking business being here. You're too poor to buy products, you're irresponsible, and you suck.
Second, I think that most of the forum should be invite only, or premium only. Basically, pay up or get the fuck outta here. There are too many 240SX owners, most of which are broke or thieves.
if you cant afford to be apart of this community, then go somewhere else. its not about being better than everyone else (even though we are) its just about taking the cream of the crop and leaving all the shit behind.
personally, i see no advantage to this forum being public. its a waste of bandwidth and ends up attracting kids that are either underage or dont even own 240's.
+1. Mike has spoken.
motorsnail
12-01-2007, 04:25 PM
fuckit, if people act up ... delete em. ban em. get rid of them. makes no difference to me.
personally, i think zilvia should be 18+ 100%. If you're not 18, you have no fucking business being here. You're too poor to buy products, you're irresponsible, and you suck.
Second, I think that most of the forum should be invite only, or premium only. Basically, pay up or get the fuck outta here. There are too many 240SX owners, most of which are broke or thieves.
if you cant afford to be apart of this community, then go somewhere else. its not about being better than everyone else (even though we are) its just about taking the cream of the crop and leaving all the shit behind.
personally, i see no advantage to this forum being public. its a waste of bandwidth and ends up attracting kids that are either underage or dont even own 240's.
That is true for the most part, but also kinda selfish to think like that. Ive met some 14 year olds that act more human then half the people of this site, Weather they payed or not idiots are still idiots.
opponheimer
12-01-2007, 04:28 PM
fuckit, if people act up ... delete em. ban em. get rid of them. makes no difference to me.
personally, i think zilvia should be 18+ 100%. If you're not 18, you have no fucking business being here. You're too poor to buy products, you're irresponsible, and you suck.
Second, I think that most of the forum should be invite only, or premium only. Basically, pay up or get the fuck outta here. There are too many 240SX owners, most of which are broke or thieves.
if you cant afford to be apart of this community, then go somewhere else. its not about being better than everyone else (even though we are) its just about taking the cream of the crop and leaving all the shit behind.
personally, i see no advantage to this forum being public. its a waste of bandwidth and ends up attracting kids that are either underage or dont even own 240's.
Aye laddy..
I think the entire Marketplace should be premie only, I could almost guarantee if that were to happen there would be less scammers, and people listing their items would be more apt to have professional listings, etc. The disadvantage, however, would be a loss of buyers.
If most of zilvia was made premie only I would pay up and I'm sure many others would pay up in a heart beat. Only reason I haven't registered yet, was because I spelled 'Oppenheimer' wrong.. lol.
JDS Performance
12-01-2007, 04:29 PM
+1. Mike has spoken.
that being said - I wonder how many members are 18 or young on this site?
opponheimer
12-01-2007, 04:30 PM
that being said - I wonder how many members are 18 or young on this site?
Members younger than 18 should have a signed permission slip from their parents sent to ThatGuy, haha.
Farzam
12-01-2007, 04:30 PM
that being said - I wonder how many members are 18 or young on this site?
<----17
I think most under 18 year olds are tards...but not all.
JDS Performance
12-01-2007, 04:34 PM
< --- 30 :duh:
motorsnail
12-01-2007, 04:35 PM
Aye laddy..
I think the entire Marketplace should be premie only, I could almost guarantee if that were to happen there would be less scammers, and people listing their items would be more apt to have professional listings, etc. The disadvantage, however, would be a loss of buyers.
If most of zilvia was made premie only I would pay up and I'm sure many others would pay up in a heart beat. Only reason I haven't registered yet, was because I spelled 'Oppenheimer' wrong.. lol.
That is a good point market place should be premie only..... And there should be limits of what they sell and the prices on the items of what they sell tell they are considered a legit person. People getting screwed so much here latley is wack. Would rather be safe then sorry and just put lockdown on the marketplace
Edit: Or just make it to where premies can sale and the regulars can still buy.. Either way is fair I think if you want deals in the market pay for premie coupon. You guys would benifit from it to kinda like the government.
articdragon192
12-01-2007, 04:37 PM
Invite only? Ziptied status?
opponheimer
12-01-2007, 04:39 PM
Invite only would be cool, then the banned ones couldn't rejoin as easily
Teddy
12-01-2007, 04:40 PM
personally, i think zilvia should be 18+ 100%. If you're not 18, you have no fucking business being here. You're too poor to buy products, you're irresponsible, and you suck.
That is a very broad generalization my friend.
projectRDM
12-01-2007, 04:46 PM
That is a very broad generalization my friend.
It is, but it's also highly accurate for the most part.
motorsnail
12-01-2007, 04:51 PM
Zilvia market place premie coupon owns this thread....
Teddy
12-01-2007, 04:52 PM
It is, but it's also highly accurate for the most part.
I agree that it is mostly accurate, but not all 16-17 year olds are ricer douchebags who talk trash about how Hondas suck and Nissans are the shit.
JDS Performance
12-01-2007, 05:00 PM
Even better idea here - all members that really belive in Zilvia and wanna stay here - pay a fee every month (same for everyone) - to keep the site moving forward - and keep the people that dont wanna commit out! :love: :bigok: :angel:
Teddy
12-01-2007, 05:08 PM
I'd be more down for a yearly fee rather than a monthly.
cronux
12-01-2007, 07:10 PM
ixfxi, i do understand where you are coming from with the underage statement, but being a member who is 16, i dont totally agree with it. i not only have money to buy my own parts, i also bought my own car. i work 2 jobs on top of school, working an average of 25-30 hours a week during school, in the summer, that gets raised from anywhere from 40-60 hours a week. i work damned hard, and i reap the benefits. so, while, yes, most underage members are just little ricers, not all are.
ixfxi
12-01-2007, 07:44 PM
ixfxi, i do understand where you are coming from with the underage statement, but being a member who is 16, i dont totally agree with it. i not only have money to buy my own parts, i also bought my own car. i work 2 jobs on top of school, working an average of 25-30 hours a week during school, in the summer, that gets raised from anywhere from 40-60 hours a week. i work damned hard, and i reap the benefits. so, while, yes, most underage members are just little ricers, not all are.
Congratulations, I respect your hard work and dedication.
However, I still think that this forum should be invite only.. or involve some type of trial. As rough justice as it is, something needs to be done to cut out the shitbags and keep the good members.
Besides, you seem like a smart guy.. just lie about your age and you're fine. As long as you can flip a few dollars to Zilvia for support, who cares what age you are. You dont have to publicize it.
Anyway, the bottom line is that there are too many 240SX owners.. or people who wish they owned a 240. Fuck'em. Closeup the doors and make it so that only certain forums are public. OR at the very least, setup a few more areas that are premium only, like a forsale section and what not. That way, we have more verified identities participating here. It'll make me feel better knowing people so that I dont feel like im dealing with a thieves or idiots. I think i'm only this pissed off because i have to deal with so many random idiots in the public sections. other prem members probably notice that i tone down when talking to more rational, honest individuals.
Okinawandrifter87
12-01-2007, 07:48 PM
If I find out you're making zilvia look back, I'LL BEAT YOU UP.
You think i'm kidding?
He's not.. hell make it rain on you...:keke:
harangatang
12-01-2007, 07:49 PM
I totally agree with most everything said.
A yearly fee/ invitee status wouldnt be that bad. Maybe even good. But it would cut the # of ppl on the board down A LOT.
And I know a lot of 1 >18's are idiots, but there are a select few who arent.
My self being 18 now, I (think) I'm doing pretty good. Ive learned sooooo much off this board and Houston240sx over the last year and a half, I would be screwing my self if I got banned off either of them. Theres no reason to act like an e-thug or an asshole, its just stupid.
mrmephistopheles
12-01-2007, 07:53 PM
Just curious as to the thread that started it?
Doesn't really matter anyway. This applies no matter what. If you're going to rep Zilvia, do it with honor and intent.
we should make a perm thread that tracks where people come from. then, forward all of us (or just me) to that forum and i'll tear the fucker down.
Ok, that's about 180 degrees from what we're getting at here, but I appreciate the enthusiasm, Mike.
Now if you guys could get serious with all the scammers on here. It seems to be getting worse everyday. The only mod that really seemed to do anything was phlip.
We're trying harder than ever to deal with scammers. We need more input from users, as we don't always get all the info.
Can I still post gay porn on other forums without mentioning Zilvia?
:ugh: Knock yourself out, buddy... :ugh:
:keke:
Zilvia (is fucking retarded)
lol couldn't help it.
personally, i think zilvia should be 18+ 100%. If you're not 18, you have no fucking business being here. You're too poor to buy products, you're irresponsible, and you suck.
Second, I think that most of the forum should be invite only, or premium only. Basically, pay up or get the fuck outta here. There are too many 240SX owners, most of which are broke or thieves.
personally, i see no advantage to this forum being public. its a waste of bandwidth and ends up attracting kids that are either underage or dont even own 240's.
I like the idea of an 18+ forum, but we'd still have no way to truly enforce that. I personally wouldn't be opposed to a pay-access forum, but it would alienate nearly all of the casual owners. Not everyone is a complete 240 freak like you and me. Look at it like this - say you decided that you wanted to get a BMW 2002, and of all the forums you looked at, the only quality one related to it was pay-access. Would you be willing to pay for access, even before you owned the car?
I think the entire Marketplace should be premie only, I could almost guarantee if that were to happen there would be less scammers, and people listing their items would be more apt to have professional listings, etc. The disadvantage, however, would be a loss of buyers.
Actually we're tossing around an idea regarding this (and you can thank Lisa for brainstorming it):
The Marketplace will be accessible to ALL users, but ONLY users who have paid to be sellers will be permitted to sell items. It WILL decrease the amount of items posted for sale, but the likelihood of a scam occurring is decreased significantly. The point is, people are less likely to sacrifice money they've invested (in an attempt to scam).
Users will also have greater confidence in the marketplace for this same reason.
A tertiary effect will be the site improvements brought on by the influx of revenue.
soreballz
12-01-2007, 08:36 PM
Even better idea here - all members that really belive in Zilvia and wanna stay here - pay a fee every month (same for everyone) - to keep the site moving forward - and keep the people that dont wanna commit out! :love: :bigok: :angel:
I love this site, but I'd stop using it if there was a MONTHLY fee. Fuck that shit. lol
idriveattz32
12-01-2007, 08:42 PM
I recall hearing probs about zilvia from my early nico and FA days, but after being an active member for almost a year, its not as bad as what it was made out to be...i like you guys, you're all pretty cool
0wn3r
12-01-2007, 08:47 PM
One of the only things I don't like about this forum is the "PM for pricing" from vendors. That's shady and no way to do business in my book...it's also just like the "email for pics" which is not allowed. I'm always tempted to pm and ask for a price then post it in the thread. I know shipping costs are not always created equal, but base prices should be.
swiftdrift
12-01-2007, 08:55 PM
fuckit, if people act up ... delete em. ban em. get rid of them. makes no difference to me.
personally, i think zilvia should be 18+ 100%. If you're not 18, you have no fucking business being here. You're too poor to buy products, you're irresponsible, and you suck.
Okay, I've followed some of your posts, and u do post some good info and make some good points. But honestly, this has to be the stupidest most ignorant post I've seen yet. How can u justify that just because your under the age of 18, your irresponsible and have no business being on a PUBLIC forum!? I started on here at the age of 17 and didn't act like an ass hat like half of the new members that are 25...30 and such. I'm 19 now, and in case u didn't notice, this is all a learning process. I say the younger u get started, the earlier u get rid of your "noobiness". For example Farzam is 17, and I'm sure he has more info and knowledge than most of these other ignorant, wannabe tools who just lurk around to talk shit. (we've talked a lot lately lol)
Don't ASSume shit because of ppl's age, thats just prejudice.
edit: I also pay for all the shit done to my car. I've actually had a job since I was 15 working for snap-on getting paid under the table busting my ASS so i can afford a damn 240. Don't give me no 18 or younger=ignorance bullshit.
drift freaq
12-01-2007, 09:42 PM
Okay, I've followed some of your posts, and u do post some good info and make some good points. But honestly, this has to be the stupidest most ignorant post I've seen yet. How can u justify that just because your under the age of 18, your irresponsible and have no business being on a PUBLIC forum!? I started on here at the age of 17 and didn't act like an ass hat like half of the new members that are 25...30 and such. I'm 19 now, and in case u didn't notice, this is all a learning process. I say the younger u get started, the earlier u get rid of your "noobiness". For example Farzam is 17, and I'm sure he has more info and knowledge than most of these other ignorant, wannabe tools who just lurk around to talk shit. (we've talked a lot lately lol)
Don't ASSume shit because of ppl's age, thats just prejudice.
edit: I also pay for all the shit done to my car. I've actually had a job since I was 15 working for snap-on getting paid under the table busting my ASS so i can afford a damn 240. Don't give me no 18=ignorance bullshit.
You and Farzam and a few others are exceptions to the rules. I have contributed a lot to this forum. I have been on other forums. I have been here longer and more active here because of what it was and to a certain point still is.
I don't like what I have been seeing of late though. People from other forums who have either left the scene or not stayed up on things here taking on personal attacks against people just because they make a poor argument and get owned. I have seen this on many occasions of late most of the time its noobs.
I have also seen underage kids making posts that amounted to little more than trying to to ridicule senior members.
I have seen a lot of younger people hating on people just because of age which is the bullshit kids in the 60's tried to pull. Guess what they all get old or died and became everything the ridiculed. LOL
I have seen people calling people assholes strictly because we might post the cold hard truth and they are not adult enough to accept it.
I have been hated on by people who don't really know me because I post information and I willing to debate and call bullshit on posts. I have had people think I am conceited and full of myself just because I am willing to speak up and post info, even premies! they don't know me.
Fact is I don't post usually unless its something I know about, though I see asshats that don't know shit posting misinformation like its going out of style. Guess what? Call them on that shit and what do they do? Instead of admitting they have been owned , they just keep on going and then hate on people. I
have seen and participated in threads were these asshats would get owned 3 times by me , 3 times by a moderator , 3 times by someone else. Guess who gets called the bad guy? The moderators I and the others. Why because we want the site to be decent. We don't want to see bullshit posted.
We want the site to have correct information. We are not here to hold your fucking hand. You have to learn to do things in life without people holding your hands. I am not referring to one person or the person I quoted above.
I am referring to individuals, that have come on here and when they do not get things handed to them on a silver platter, with pictures to guide them, call everything we have done here worthless and us tools. Thats straight up ignorant, childish, immature,bullshit.
Just like any ass that refers to a good response with information a flame. That happens a lot here of late as well. Unfortunately that happens with some of the adult members from other forums who just can't take being proven wrong, when they come here.
I will argue a point, I will disagree but dammit if I do I have done my research.
LOL Ya built up sentiments here. Though its all true.
People want Zilvia to be a better place? Then treat others with respect. Just because they debate you and call question to your point does not make them an asshole or make you an asshole. taking it to a more personal level does.
I am not perfect I sometimes slip, but you know what, I try. I suggest others try.
As far as people paying goes for anyone that questions it Premies pay! We do because we want to. If you don't want to pay maybe you should think about how serious you really are about contributing to the community or this forum.
Oh and I am in favor of making it 18+ sorry to the responsible members under 18 but the majority of your peers make for a poor example.
S13SilviaGirl
12-01-2007, 09:51 PM
Ok this is getting a little off-topic.
While yes, A LOT of sub 18 year olds are typically still living off of mom and dad...or just acting like a fool, that is not the majority on this site.
With that said, the main point is again...to NOT DISGRACE Zilvia.
People want Zilvia to be a better place? Then treat others with respect. Just because they debate you and call question to your point does not make them an asshole or make you an asshole. taking it to a more personal level does.
.
That right there...is what needs to happen....
JDS Performance
12-01-2007, 10:00 PM
I love this site, but I'd stop using it if there was a MONTHLY fee. Fuck that shit. lol
cheap a$$:rolleyes:
NemeGuero
12-01-2007, 10:10 PM
Dave, you write too much.
hahah <3
drift freaq
12-01-2007, 10:11 PM
Dave, you write too much.
hahah <3
thanks Evan. lol and thats coming from a Berkeley student hahahhahhaha
bardabe
12-01-2007, 10:12 PM
OK USA! :-D Big *thumbz up*
Dirty Habit
12-01-2007, 10:33 PM
cheap a$$:rolleyes:
Then why isn't your name in blue...? ;)
S13SilviaGirl
12-01-2007, 10:40 PM
Then why isn't your name in blue...? ;)
Because he is an advertiser..... :doh: :keke:
2ilvia
12-01-2007, 10:44 PM
Mr.Meph; your sig looks like a gorilla looking at the ground sometimes, and makes the whole "look good" thing ironic
but wasnt there a 17yr old kid on here who had his ASE in auto tech and worked at a Nissan dealer? why should he have to wait to become one year older when it only makes you more of a fanboy to be an adult driving an old modified car, right?
JDS Performance
12-01-2007, 10:44 PM
wow I was j/k - some people need to chill out
MrChow
12-01-2007, 10:50 PM
People want Zilvia to be a better place? Then treat others with respect. Just because they debate you and call question to your point does not make them an asshole or make you an asshole. taking it to a more personal level does.
I am one all about that. I've alway tried to be respectful on a daily basic. Aka having good morals. On here well I'm not prefect. I've said a few bad things here a there bad it was because I've had a bad day or what not.
I also have the problem with 2 of my friend's alway talking shit this forums and them not even knowing anyone. It get me really steamed because of you are really cool people also really knowledgeable about stuff. They don't believe it...
Anyways on a better subject I'm just venting cuz a friend just try to trash talk about R240 and someone else which pissed me off.
I like the idea of an 18+ forum, but we'd still have no way to truly enforce that. I personally wouldn't be opposed to a pay-access forum, but it would alienate nearly all of the casual owners. Not everyone is a complete 240 freak like you and me. Look at it like this - say you decided that you wanted to get a BMW 2002, and of all the forums you looked at, the only quality one related to it was pay-access. Would you be willing to pay for access, even before you owned the car?
Actually we're tossing around an idea regarding this (and you can thank Lisa for brainstorming it):
The Marketplace will be accessible to ALL users, but ONLY users who have paid to be sellers will be permitted to sell items. It WILL decrease the amount of items posted for sale, but the likelihood of a scam occurring is decreased significantly. The point is, people are less likely to sacrifice money they've invested (in an attempt to scam).
Users will also have greater confidence in the marketplace for this same reason.
A tertiary effect will be the site improvements brought on by the influx of revenue.
The idea of this forums being +18 well won't do jack IMO. Your going have a lot of posts from this +18 that sounds like under 18 and it's just going to be weird.
The other thing I think is letting people read through the forums searching for free then. If then want to start posting or something ask them to pay like a buck or less. That will filter a good amount out because only a selected few of the kids will have a CC or paypal. In that sense like just make them pay 25 cents or something. Also it's a one time thing.
For the marketplace I've been mostly lucky. I think the same idea is the same as I said but only to making new threads. Or better yet tell them go to ebay and sell a few things there or the big stuff there then some rep about selling then come back.
I dunno there a lot of small thing I think you can do that'll filter the bad out.
There's my 02 cents to all of this. Sorry for any english again. Dumb being a ABC..
Dirty Habit
12-01-2007, 10:50 PM
Because he is an advertiser..... :doh: :keke:
haha. I know. I was just :mepoke: him.
drift freaq
12-01-2007, 10:54 PM
Mr.Meph; your sig looks like a gorilla looking at the ground sometimes, and makes the whole "look good" thing ironic
but wasnt there a 17yr old kid on here who had his ASE in auto tech and worked at a Nissan dealer? why should he have to wait to become one year older when it only makes you more of a fanboy to be an adult driving an old modified car, right?
How old are you? You speak like a youngster that has not learned anything in life. Yup I said that. Live with it. Call me an asshole for it.
Fact is if you think that a adult driving an old modified car is a fanboy well then your clueless about real enthusiasts. Your spoken question would rule out adults owning old muscle cars,240z's, Ferrari's, Porsches etc... because a lot of old cars get modified.
If you think an adult has to buy a new car and cannot own a modified old car then your ignorant to what makes the car enthusiast world exist. Its not kids. It is adults. Live with it and grow up.
P.S. the 17 year old kid you mention is a major exception to the rule.
Jung918
12-01-2007, 10:57 PM
One of the only things I don't like about this forum is the "PM for pricing" from vendors. That's shady and no way to do business in my book...it's also just like the "email for pics" which is not allowed. I'm always tempted to pm and ask for a price then post it in the thread. I know shipping costs are not always created equal, but base prices should be.
^^ that really isn't the vender's fault. ex. The reseller usually has to sign a contract with the manufacturer to sell it at a certain price. This excludes sales which can not be posted publicly. If they did, the manufacturer would not sell their product to the reseller.
Kn1ves
12-01-2007, 11:24 PM
I seriously think we should just have a test yearly. that way everyone learns. simple 10 question test for every year you've been here. oh and instant ban if you fail. but you're allowed to search during the test. maximum of 4 tests (4 years of stay, then you 'graduate' to be an acceptable member) you can also have a 5 question sign up test.. filled with noob questions that they'll probably ask. so it helps them learn how to search.
motorsnail
12-01-2007, 11:25 PM
. oh and instant ban if you fail. but you're allowed to search during the test.
LOL Thats awsome........
69datsun510
12-01-2007, 11:38 PM
There is other nissan forums?
I second that L.B. motoring. There is only one real Nissan forum...right! Now put your right hand over your heart, and repeat after me. "I pledge allegiance to Zilvia of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
S13SilviaGirl
12-02-2007, 03:26 AM
I second that L.B. motoring. There is only one real Nissan forum...right! Now put your right hand over your heart, and repeat after me. "I pledge allegiance to Zilvia of the United States of America, and to the Republic for which it stands, one Nation under God, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
Should read like this:
I pledge allegiance to zilvia, and the moderators that let it stand, one dot net, above the rest, with bannings and pinkings for all....
Edit:::stupid joke...haha not serious. :D
MrChow
12-02-2007, 03:35 AM
^^ hehe pinks...
mrmephistopheles
12-02-2007, 05:00 AM
Mr.Meph; your sig looks like a gorilla looking at the ground sometimes, and makes the whole "look good" thing ironic
It's supposed to be ironic anyway. I guess most people don't get it though.
^^ that really isn't the vender's fault. ex. The reseller usually has to sign a contract with the manufacturer to sell it at a certain price. This excludes sales which can not be posted publicly. If they did, the manufacturer would not sell their product to the reseller.
^^^^
Confirming this.
2ilvia
12-02-2007, 11:17 AM
How old are you? You speak like a youngster that has not learned anything in life. Yup I said that. Live with it. Call me an asshole for it.
Fact is if you think that a adult driving an old modified car is a fanboy well then your clueless about real enthusiasts. Your spoken question would rule out adults owning old muscle cars,240z's, Ferrari's, Porsches etc... because a lot of old cars get modified.
If you think an adult has to buy a new car and cannot own a modified old car then your ignorant to what makes the car enthusiast world exist. Its not kids. It is adults. Live with it and grow up.
P.S. the 17 year old kid you mention is a major exception to the rule.
youre ruining the thread, no nevermind, you ruined it, its done.
ps. im almost 19 and would rather drive an infiniti than an s13
ThatGuy
12-02-2007, 11:20 AM
I find it rather funny how everyone under 20 is disagreeing with drift freaq and ixfxi, and everyone over 20 sees the valid points they are making.
Quite humorous.
youre ruining the thread, no nevermind, you ruined it, its done.
ps. im almost 19 and would rather drive an infiniti than an s13
so that makes you more mature?
I'm 21 and I'd rather walk than drive my 240...what does that mean?
motorsnail
12-02-2007, 11:26 AM
I disagree with both sides because I am "The shit"! Ill just change the subject to somthing even more crazy and they will go on about that for 3 days....Watch and learn..... ROTAS SUCK!! THEY EXPLOAD!! THEY ARE MADE BY APC!! See here it goes....
ixfxi
12-02-2007, 11:27 AM
I find it rather funny how everyone under 20 is disagreeing with drift freaq and ixfxi, and everyone over 20 sees the valid points they are making.
Quite humorous.
yep, because we're adding a curfew to their favorite forum...
serious, i didnt drive till i was 18. there's no point of allowing anyone 17 or less on here. and like i said, if they ARE 17 or less, fuckin lie about it and take the risk.
if you're not a dumbass, you'll survive the year or two until you become 18.. then you'll have nothing to worry about. if you're 15, for chrissake... do something else, just get the fuck off zilvia.
Eh...I started driving at 16...i got my 240 when I was 17...
I just think that we need to re-write what we define as "chat" and "off topic"
imatuner
12-02-2007, 11:49 AM
"I'm here to kick ass and chew bubble gum, and I'm all out of bubble gum"
Wow Duke Nukem impressive havent heard that for a while or how bout this one
Ill rip off your head and s%^* down your throat.
** Not the place for your intro
Flipzide
12-02-2007, 11:54 AM
I find it rather funny how everyone under 20 is disagreeing with drift freaq and ixfxi, and everyone over 20 sees the valid points they are making.
Same here, but it does make sense. I had different views in middle school than in high school and from high school into college. I'm sure it'll change a bit once I'm out of school; especially when my age group changes. Personally, what I like about the internet is anonymity of people's ages. You don't get judged about your age if you don't reveal it. You get judged based on how you post, your maturity level and if you're a dumb ass or not. :2f2f:
Overall, I think the forum should stay public for searching purposes, but I like the idea of having an invite only system where the current members are given a set amount of invites and you just give those out to your friends to be able to post.
I just think that we need to re-write what we define as "chat" and "off topic"
Definitely. I've seen too many stuff in Chat that seemed way off topic.
JDS Performance
12-02-2007, 11:54 AM
This isnt the introduction thread man!
imatuner
12-02-2007, 11:58 AM
This isnt the introduction thread man!
no im not 16 or an idiot and i know its not the introduction area just my 2nd post, its just as might as well kill 2 birds with 1 stone, by making a comment on something i found a lil bit interesting and heck a lil introduction, didnt want to make a new thread for saying hey im woody i dont own a nissan, didnt feel it would be appropriate.:mrmeph: oh by the way what made you edit, pathetic, hope the rest of the forum isnt filled with jerks of your sort
0wn3r
12-02-2007, 12:05 PM
I think whoever left me this needs to grow up, "dumb. vendors cannot advertise the low prices they are giving because their distributors will cut them off for selling below the "bottom line price" that they are given when they sign the contract for the dealer account."
Don't leave rep and call someone names. That's childish. If they will be cutoff from selling at that price, why do they continue to do it then? That's what I meant, it's shady. You don't see anything like this on any other forum.
motorsnail
12-02-2007, 12:35 PM
I think whoever left me this needs to grow up, "dumb. vendors cannot advertise the low prices they are giving because their distributors will cut them off for selling below the "bottom line price" that they are given when they sign the contract for the dealer account."
Don't leave rep and call someone names. That's childish. If they will be cutoff from selling at that price, why do they continue to do it then? That's what I meant, it's shady. You don't see anything like this on any other forum.
You can only sell it so cheap without pissing people off. You are tacking buisness from the company that sells you the parts if you sell them to cheap. If everyone buys them off of one company for a cheaper price there is no need for the other guy. Witch is bad for the parts makers. Make sence now?
ThatGuy
12-02-2007, 12:40 PM
no im not 16 or an idiot and i know its not the introduction area just my 2nd post, its just as might as well kill 2 birds with 1 stone, by making a comment on something i found a lil bit interesting and heck a lil introduction, didnt want to make a new thread for saying hey im woody i dont own a nissan, didnt feel it would be appropriate.:mrmeph: oh by the way what made you edit, pathetic, hope the rest of the forum isnt filled with jerks of your sort
That's the EXACT attitude people are complaining about.
We give you a place to post everything, but you'd rather do whatever you want. Then when someone corrects you, you get butt hurt about it.
You could not have provided us with a better example of what we were already complaining about. Great job.
Bottom line: You want to be on Zilvia, do things Zilvia's way. It's not too much to ask. It's actually very simple.
Your "intro" has been deleted.
JDS Performance
12-02-2007, 12:52 PM
no im not 16 or an idiot and i know its not the introduction area just my 2nd post, its just as might as well kill 2 birds with 1 stone, by making a comment on something i found a lil bit interesting and heck a lil introduction, didnt want to make a new thread for saying hey im woody i dont own a nissan, didnt feel it would be appropriate.:mrmeph: oh by the way what made you edit, pathetic, hope the rest of the forum isnt filled with jerks of your sort
well I edited my post as I reread it and I did sound like a dick - so I changed it - but after your comment I wish I wouldnt have!
Edgar
12-02-2007, 12:59 PM
ban everyone that was born from 1988 and up
jskateborders
12-02-2007, 01:16 PM
Actually we're tossing around an idea regarding this (and you can thank Lisa for brainstorming it):
The Marketplace will be accessible to ALL users, but ONLY users who have paid to be sellers will be permitted to sell items. It WILL decrease the amount of items posted for sale, but the likelihood of a scam occurring is decreased significantly. The point is, people are less likely to sacrifice money they've invested (in an attempt to scam).
Users will also have greater confidence in the marketplace for this same reason.
A tertiary effect will be the site improvements brought on by the influx of revenue.
Well I see you point in that, but honestly, It wouldnt stop the scamming IMHO, scammers are going to be in it to make a solid hunk of cash, so if they are willing to take the risk to scam, I think they would be willing to pay the fee. They have money coming and they arent losing anything. As for members who are actually selling things, tend to lose money on selling them, even new things. So a fee would only detract from that.
Just my 2 cents
slothonaleash
12-02-2007, 01:19 PM
I'm 15, and i can admit that i don't really post much that's useful to this forum, but i can say that i take in the information that this forum has to offer (which happens to be plentiful and very unique information), even though i don't yet own a car for myself
I don't see a problem with doing an age limit to the forums, as i know first hand the general (there are some exceptions) immaturity of my age group, and i am probably too immature for this forum... but as long as i am allowed to stay here, i will soak up as much information as i can from threads.
projectRDM
12-02-2007, 01:51 PM
You don't get judged about your age if you don't reveal it. You get judged based on how you post, your maturity level and if you're a dumb ass or not. :2f2f:
Exactly. My biggest beef with younger members is that no matter what form of translation software I use, I cannot for the life of me understand a fucking word they type. You can be 16 and use proper English, I'm certain of it, but I rarely ever see it. That alone tells me that if the member can't even make the effort to ask a legitimate question in a legible and easy to read manner, they really don't want the answer. That laziness just proves the ignorance we complain about. I stopped helping a lot of people in tech and dodge even more in PMs because I simply don't have the patience to deal with chicken scratch Ebonics. Those members should go out the door permanently.
CrimsonRockett
12-02-2007, 03:12 PM
ban everyone that was born from 1988 and up
That's not fair!
:keke:
articdragon192
12-02-2007, 08:18 PM
You can only sell it so cheap without pissing people off. You are tacking buisness from the company that sells you the parts if you sell them to cheap. If everyone buys them off of one company for a cheaper price there is no need for the other guy. Witch is bad for the parts makers. Make sence now?
You can only advertise for so cheap. Doesn't mean you can't sell for cheaper.
SexPanda
12-02-2007, 08:21 PM
ban everyone that was born from 1988 and up
whoa whoa that theres fightin words pilgrim.
Daniel.
12-02-2007, 08:41 PM
What gets me is that every time a XXX VS Zilvia thread pops up, or when people complain about mods being too strict, etc is that this is still a private forum with it's own rules and guidelines.
I know it's been said plenty of times in the past, but if you don't like the way it is here, then you're welcome to leave. What's so hard to understand about that?
*goes and lurks for another few weeks.*
usdm180sx
12-02-2007, 09:31 PM
Zilvia (is fucking retarded)
lol couldn't help it.
LOL does zt actually retype that if you type in zilvia over there? I never tried it haha
NemeGuero
12-02-2007, 09:39 PM
LOL does zt actually retype that if you type in zilvia over there? I never tried it haha
yah, word filter
ban everyone that was born from 1988 and up
word...
!Zar!
12-02-2007, 09:46 PM
If you're going to hate on other forums, just say you're from nico...
SochBAT
12-02-2007, 09:51 PM
This is a funny thread. I do agree we have been gettin more and more arrogant kids on here, but a handful of them are actual active contributing members.
A lot of people need to get their heads out of their asses and take opinions and criticism the right way. I hate when the bastards get hot headed about your opinion because its opposed to theirs.
PS. I've noticed lately i've been cursing alot. I'm sorry if i've cursed too much, and will try to ease up on the cursing.
PPS. Exclusive Marketplace sounds really fun and all, but again, some 240 owners aren't fanatics like some of us, and that kind of leaves them out of the loop. Sometimes you just want to unload some crap. Maybe an required IP lock/look up? Or at the request of the buyer, releasing that information IF they've proven they've gotten scammed?
ixfxi
12-02-2007, 10:07 PM
Exactly. My biggest beef with younger members is that no matter what form of translation software I use, I cannot for the life of me understand a fucking word they type. You can be 16 and use proper English, I'm certain of it, but I rarely ever see it. That alone tells me that if the member can't even make the effort to ask a legitimate question in a legible and easy to read manner, they really don't want the answer. That laziness just proves the ignorance we complain about. I stopped helping a lot of people in tech and dodge even more in PMs because I simply don't have the patience to deal with chicken scratch Ebonics. Those members should go out the door permanently.
aye y0, i got a kweshun bout mah toofourtay n sh1t, wanna kn0w wh4t i can do n shiet.. u no... make it fasturrrr...
sup y0, holla at me on mah mobile g...
oh yah any1 gonna r0ll 2 tha krispe kreem meet this saturdayzyyzz?!?!?! holla!
your fren,
cornrow
ps: prrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
k's_silvia2.0
12-02-2007, 10:48 PM
^HAHA Kripe kreme meet?
projectRDM
12-02-2007, 10:51 PM
aye y0, i got a kweshun bout mah toofourtay n sh1t, wanna kn0w wh4t i can do n shiet.. u no... make it fasturrrr...
sup y0, holla at me on mah mobile g...
oh yah any1 gonna r0ll 2 tha krispe kreem meet this saturdayzyyzz?!?!?! holla!
your fren,
cornrow
ps: prrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!
^Exactly. I learned how to spell by the 3rd grade, what school did these kids go too? Whoever gave out diplomas at graduation needs to be slapped to fuck and back.
DJButton
12-02-2007, 10:54 PM
First off kudos to the mods to putting their feet down, I'm a mod on another very active Nissan board so I always appreciate when crap talking is not tolerated. :bigok:
NemeGuero
12-02-2007, 10:58 PM
This is a funny thread. I do agree we have been gettin more and more arrogant kids on here, but a handful of them are actual active contributing members.
A lot of people need to get their heads out of their asses and take opinions and criticism the right way. I hate when the bastards get hot headed about your opinion because its opposed to theirs.
PS. I've noticed lately i've been cursing alot. I'm sorry if i've cursed too much, and will try to ease up on the cursing.
PPS. Exclusive Marketplace sounds really fun and all, but again, some 240 owners aren't fanatics like some of us, and that kind of leaves them out of the loop. Sometimes you just want to unload some crap. Maybe an required IP lock/look up? Or at the request of the buyer, releasing that information IF they've proven they've gotten scammed?
shut up fucking newb!
GOSH!
motorsnail
12-02-2007, 10:59 PM
If you're going to hate on other forums, just say you're from nico...
Thats what I did:wackit:
EDIT: More people would pay if the market place was premie only not only good to keep scammers at bay, but also keep the site running. Its kinda like a six flags season pass but for good deals.
0wn3r
12-02-2007, 11:10 PM
You can only sell it so cheap without pissing people off. You are tacking buisness from the company that sells you the parts if you sell them to cheap. If everyone buys them off of one company for a cheaper price there is no need for the other guy. Witch is bad for the parts makers. Make sence now?
i'm pretty sure my business degree wasn't just a waste of time.
so zilvia is a place where vendors can come in and secretly price their goods below what the manufacturer told them to? exactly what i said the first time, shady.
i notice most of the better vendors list their prices. :)
infamous240sx
12-02-2007, 11:27 PM
Im pretty new on zilvia, but i have met some awesome ass people on this forum and got alot of help with problems that i had with my s13. Whoever thats fucking it up for everyone else that goes on zilvia for advice, buying items, or anything else should get fuckin banned with the quickness i hate on haters. I'm also ok with the yearly fee idea and give props to all the admin, thats taking care of all the BULLSHIT that is going on right now on zilvia.
articdragon192
12-02-2007, 11:31 PM
i'm pretty sure my business degree wasn't just a waste of time.
so zilvia is a place where vendors can come in and secretly price their goods below what the manufacturer told them to? exactly what i said the first time, shady.
i notice most of the better vendors list their prices. :)
It happens on all the major forums, not just here.
CKAMC
12-03-2007, 12:15 AM
everytime someone complains about zilvia
gets pinked
or red squares from hell
there is one thing that goes thru my head... and its one of the admins signature
Zilvia...Where the Truth Hurts and Pain Builds Character
if you don't get it or can't handle it... GTFO, this site is easy to use and learn from.... if you get butt hurt from neg rep or what others say to you... you take the internet way too seriously
-love
zilvia newbie hater
NemeGuero
12-03-2007, 12:23 AM
everytime someone complains about zilvia
gets pinked
or red squares from hell
there is one thing that goes thru my head... and its one of the admins signature
Zilvia...Where the Truth Hurts and Pain Builds Character
if you don't get it or can't handle it... GTFO, this site is easy to use and learn from.... if you get butt hurt from neg rep or what others say to you... you take the internet way too seriously
-love
zilvia newbie hater
its not a holy grail or anything.. hahah relax mang
usdm180sx
12-03-2007, 01:02 AM
yah, word filter
word...
Haha yeah I tried it on one of the threads and then deleted my post.
powersteeringless180sx
12-03-2007, 01:11 AM
wow i didn't know there was this type of shiet goin on.... Zilvia's the only forum i've ever joined and paid for. yay i'm a premie!!!!! all the the other forums i checked were a pain in the azz to navigate and there was just too much useless bs out there.
ixfxi
12-03-2007, 02:06 AM
First off kudos to the mods to putting their feet down, I'm a mod on another very active Nissan board so I always appreciate when crap talking is not tolerated. :bigok:
no problem
now get back to your fucking forum...........................
jk :-)
actually, im not. go back to your country gwylo...... hehe
ixfxi
12-03-2007, 02:13 AM
so zilvia is a place where vendors can come in and secretly price their goods below what the manufacturer told them to? exactly what i said the first time, shady.
i notice most of the better vendors list their prices. :)
you know what, i think thats bullshit
since when do MANUFACTURERS commandeer what the retailers can sell their product for?
Nowadays, being in business in this shitty automotive industry is like the wild wild west. Manufacturers are not always 100% up front. Retailers often times have to do what it takes to stay afloat, while manufacturers fuck us over with endless delays with NO ETA when stuff is on backorder. Often times, products get changed with no notice or are no longer available. That, plus the high buy-in just to have an account.
I am not saying that what you are saying is right or wrong, i am saying that it depends on the contract or agreement that the retailer has with the mfg. And i am saying that its not always as fair as you make it appear....
shit is fucked up nowadays, where dealerships are selling parts wholesale to ANYONE. oh? you have a business license and a reseller permit? they dont give a fuck. you cant make a cut on any of the parts and staying in business is an impossibility unless you consider eating TOP RAMEN fancy food....
more and more shit is being made overseas at a fraction of the cost with a shitload less overhead. so please, dont talk about how retailers sell at whatever price they want to - thats their business. whatever they gotta do to pay the fuckin bills and move some of that shit product that sits and collects on our shelves....
- 1 bitter motherfucker. :-)
ps: lets not even MENTION the fact that most of the customers are either broke... "ballers on a budget" as i like to call them, or scamming vendors with stolen credit cards. when you guys dont support good companies and just hop for the lowest price, dont be surprised when vendors do what they gotta do to sell.
0wn3r
12-03-2007, 07:50 AM
so please, dont talk about how retailers sell at whatever price they want to - thats their business. whatever they gotta do to pay the fuckin bills and move some of that shit product that sits and collects on our shelves....
exactly, so why not list the price right on the thread? i'd rather buy from a more expensive place than someone with a "pm me for price" thread. If you have to be that secretive with your prices, perhaps you should consider closing down shop.
DrtyRat
12-03-2007, 08:12 AM
i'm pretty sure my business degree wasn't just a waste of time.
You should've double majored in "shut-up and listen" & "common sense", both of which can be found on this site. You could have more degrees than a thermometer, but that obviously doesn't improve your ability to comprehend.
so zilvia is a place where vendors can come in and secretly price their goods below what the manufacturer told them to? exactly what i said the first time, shady.
The manufactures of the products they are selling could choose to not sell to them anymore if they publicly advertise some of the low prices that they are giving us. This has been explained several times, in different ways, on this forum.
i notice most of the better vendors list their prices. :)
Please show me some better vendors than:
J @ www.c2auto.com
Logan @ www.aspecproducts.com
www.Frsports.com
"enter any other established vendor here"....
Bottom line is, either you don't visit many other forums, because everyone I've seen has vendors requesting pm's for prices, or you enjoy paying MSRP on products.
ixfxi
12-03-2007, 10:50 AM
i'd rather buy from a more expensive place than...
dude, you own a 240.
dont lie, we all know you're a broke ass bargain shopper, like the rest of the majority here.
hehe cheapskate...
SR_Elliott24
12-03-2007, 11:30 AM
It's lonely at the top. Zilvia just gets hated on for being number 1. :rawk:
Agreed. simple as that.
Edgar
12-03-2007, 12:14 PM
exactly, so why not list the price right on the thread? i'd rather buy from a more expensive place than someone with a "pm me for price" thread. If you have to be that secretive with your prices, perhaps you should consider closing down shop.
:duh: :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh: :duh:
I wish I could negative rep you right about now.
eddies13
12-03-2007, 12:41 PM
Not that new but I do not really post all that much either and would be willing to contribute some cash to this site to keep the quality. It's hard to find a good site with true enthusiasts. I really appreciate all the feedback and opinions people give. Quality people and quality discussions (for the most part) which everyone can learn a little from.
GODFATHER
12-03-2007, 01:32 PM
Well, personally I only belong to one Nissan site and this is it. I dont post much even though I have been here quite some time but the main reason for that is it seems that most members here just bitch out others because of their ideas? I mod on many other sites and that kind of shit doesnt fly I just get out the ban hammer and get rid of them for flaming other members. Now if its a heated discussion I just try to get it calmed down a bit. I like it here but as I said just too many people thinking their way is the only way.... :D
motorsnail
12-03-2007, 02:15 PM
Well, personally I only belong to one Nissan site and this is it. I dont post much even though I have been here quite some time but the main reason for that is it seems that most members here just bitch out others because of their ideas? I mod on many other sites and that kind of shit doesnt fly I just get out the ban hammer and get rid of them for flaming other members. Now if its a heated discussion I just try to get it calmed down a bit. I like it here but as I said just too many people thinking their way is the only way.... :D
Some people are just ass holes, doesnt mean they arent cool people. More people are to the point no need to ban them for it I think . If it hurts your feelings then you havent been outside your house in a while or you go to jail alot because people talk shit. Life goes on, ass holes will be ass holes, I like people that are ass holes I find it funny because other people get so pissed and cry over nothing.:rawk:
GODFATHER
12-03-2007, 02:22 PM
Some people are just ass holes, doesnt mean they arent cool people. More people are to the point no need to ban them for it I think . If it hurts your feelings then you havent been outside your house in a while or you go to jail alot because people talk shit. Life goes on, ass holes will be ass holes, I like people that are ass holes I find it funny because other people get so pissed and cry over nothing.:rawk:
LOL, yeah it guess it goes with the saying "Opinions are like Assholes":fawkd:
So yeah I guess....:drama:
motorsnail
12-03-2007, 02:25 PM
Well the truth of it is... Opinion= good or bad... Dont bitch about the bad because you just asked for it... Shouldnt ban people for giving there opinion weather it hurt your anus or not.
GODFATHER
12-03-2007, 02:29 PM
LOL, this is funny ya think im the one in here banning people LOL!!!! I just ban people for being stupid and being trolls on the other sites I mod I dont have anything to do with the moderation here "Yet" LOL!!!!
used240sxparts
12-03-2007, 02:41 PM
Also the reason manufactures make vendors have a minimum advertised price is to try and stop under cutting.
example:
(insert name here) coilovers minimum advertised price is $900shipped
so that means a vendor can sell it at $850 +$50 shipping,$830+ $70 shipping,$900 shipped ect....If for some reason a company sells it for less and it is advertised, well then they can loose that company.
usdm180sx
12-03-2007, 02:50 PM
exactly, so why not list the price right on the thread? i'd rather buy from a more expensive place than someone with a "pm me for price" thread. If you have to be that secretive with your prices, perhaps you should consider closing down shop.
Sorry, but this whole forum isn't going to change their policy because 1 member thinks differently. Either conform or move on.
0wn3r
12-03-2007, 02:51 PM
You should've double majored in "shut-up and listen" & "common sense", both of which can be found on this site. You could have more degrees than a thermometer, but that obviously doesn't improve your ability to comprehend.
The manufactures of the products they are selling could choose to not sell to them anymore if they publicly advertise some of the low prices that they are giving us. This has been explained several times, in different ways, on this forum.
Please show me some better vendors than:
J @ www.c2auto.com (http://www.c2auto.com)
Logan @ www.aspecproducts.com (http://www.aspecproducts.com)
www.Frsports.com (http://www.Frsports.com)
"enter any other established vendor here"....
Bottom line is, either you don't visit many other forums, because everyone I've seen has vendors requesting pm's for prices, or you enjoy paying MSRP on products.
Use some f'ing logic. Displaying a price in a thread is no different than doing it through 1,000 private messages. Only, in private messages the vendor can change the price they tell to certain people. I don't understand why you can't comprehend why that's shady. I can name off several vendors even on this forum that are just as good if not better than the ones you named.
dude, you own a 240.
dont lie, we all know you're a broke ass bargain shopper, like the rest of the majority here.
hehe cheapskate...
yea....the kouki i own and 8+ grand worth of parts/labor I just paid for are pretty cheap..that's not including the winter beater i bought last month. But you're right I shop around, but I'd rather do it from a credible vendor where I don't have to go around door-to-door begging and waiting for a repsonse/price.
Kn1ves
12-03-2007, 02:57 PM
you know, if you had any sort of common sense, you'd make friends here or two or three, PM the same vendor and whoever gets the best price, ask your friend to buy it for you and you pay him back. easy as pie no?
If you think the vendors are being shady, stay in the shade with them.
S13FREEAAK
12-03-2007, 02:58 PM
Also the reason manufactures make vendors have a minimum advertised price is to try and stop under cutting.
example:
(insert name here) coilovers minimum advertised price is $900shipped
so that means a vendor can sell it at $850 +$50 shipping,$830+ $70 shipping,$900 shipped ect....If for some reason a company sells it for less and it is advertised, well then they can loose that company.
Exactly, so why are people harping on vendors that are offering products at LESS than what the manufacture lets them advertise.
Having to pm for a price is just one way of getting around the minimum advertised price. Have you ever noticed that Bestbuy.com does the same thing? "See price in cart" So does that make Best Buy shady?
Hmm...
A forum is only as good as it's members
and you guys are complaining about people talking shit :rofl:
ThatGuy
12-03-2007, 03:11 PM
This Thread is about Members representing Zilvia.net in a positive light outside of our Forum boundaries.
It is not about what you think the advertisers should or shouldn't do. Take that up with them if you have a problem.
Get back on the topic of this thread, or get PINKED. It's just that simple.
motorsnail
12-03-2007, 03:20 PM
This is the last one that messed with "That Guy"....Trolls beware....
http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n17/nissan_blood/troll2.jpg
2ilvia
12-03-2007, 04:10 PM
ban everyone that was born from 1988 and up
banning everybody under 18 from socal alone would probably fix all this :ughd:
i think getting referrals, warnings or "infraction points" do a better job of telling people to stfu than neg repping to HECK
azndoc
12-03-2007, 04:43 PM
i'm pretty sure my business degree wasn't just a waste of time.
Obviously you've never ran or work at a shop dedicated to 240's.
Otherwise you'd know that in this industry you have to be pretty flexible to succeed and deal with poor ass mofos all day.
ESmorz
12-03-2007, 04:48 PM
The first thing that I ever heard about Zilvia (before I had ever been here) was how the users were a bunch of assholes. Now that I've been here for a while, I can say that that statement is not completely true ;) I hope that this is a step in the right direction.
They might be assholes, but at least most everyone is knowledgeable and isn't Ricer-tastic.
Wow... I can't believe I missed this thread. Well, I for one, totally agree with what has been said here. The topic that is. I'm tired of stupid forum wars ignited by a bunch of trolls... If will enforce whatever my peers believe is right... Let the pinking/banning begin. Trolls beware.
Edgar
12-03-2007, 05:33 PM
whatever
I'm Out! *drops mic*
A Spec Products
12-03-2007, 06:39 PM
Haha I can't believe I missed this thread
Putting "PM for price" has nothing to do with being shady
I really could go into it, but there's not enough space on the internet for the post
In reality the consumers have made it this way
Pitting dealers against each other to drive down street price in order to save themselves (the consumers) money
And please don't try to use the "fair and competitive market" argument
Customers (I'm speaking generally, not everyone) never think about businesses' well being
BUSINESSES NEED TO MAKE MONEY TO STAY OPEN (GASP! NO WAY!)
Everyone thinks shops in this industry makes a ton of money, but in reality we have some of the WORST MARGINS to work off of (barely covers overhead)
And it doesn't help when customers automatically assume they can negotiate price
No one pays for good customer service, they just try to get the LOWEST PRICE
But when you don't get good customer service, then everyone complains
Or when you get scammed, you act surprised/angry (i.e if its too good to be true, then it is)
Thank you to my good customers who understand that its a two way street
Sorry to those who cannot be open to understanding the vendors side of the fence
http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=83747&page=6
Peep my terrible feedback thread
175 positive feedbacks in a row, 0 negative
Proof that "PM for price" doesn't mean shady
MURPHY
12-03-2007, 06:49 PM
but wasnt there a 17yr old kid on here who had his ASE in auto tech and worked at a Nissan dealer? why should he have to wait to become one year older when it only makes you more of a fanboy to be an adult driving an old modified car, right?
me? most likely.
:eek3:
doo doo
wtf is this need to sign a permission slip shit. hell no. we should pass a tech questionnaire. i don't give a shit how old you are. i can answer more tech than like 1/2+ of all the members.
i agree tho on the stereo type. makes me and few others look bad. but there's always the exceptions. just like you can't work in a shop if under 18 :)
hell I'm off to school for high performance and alternative fuels. good god knows what I'll make when i come back :)
p.s. charge me w/e you want I'm not going anywhere.
i shouldn't be able to have a 240? haha. I've had 4 this year. nice try.
MrChow
12-03-2007, 06:49 PM
I was waiting for you to pop in with that ^^^ Aspec
I remember you saying something and I just couldn't find it.
A Spec Products
12-03-2007, 06:52 PM
I was waiting for you to pop in with that ^^^ Aspec
I remember you saying something and I just couldn't find it.
I blogged about a semi related topic a while ago on OG Made
http://og-made.com/archives/1376
Just speaking the truth
I will agree that there are many shady vendors in this industry, but that's a whole other can of worms
Lack of regulation, easy entry, poor distributor choices, etc, where do you start to fix a problem that large?
drift freaq
12-03-2007, 07:06 PM
Well the truth of it is... Opinion= good or bad... Dont bitch about the bad because you just asked for it... Shouldnt ban people for giving there opinion weather it hurt your anus or not.
Opinions are fine, dispute of opinions is fine. Personal attacks on a person because they post a rebuttal to your opinion is wrong. In fact its fucked up. Its been happening here a lot lately.
Yes I was a victim of it by a person who thinks they know me but they don't. When I defended myself a newb with bad rep tried to neg rep me calling my defense a fail and implying I was being defensive in a sarcastic response.
Was I butt hurt? fuck no!
Was I angry? fuck ya? (there is a difference between but hurt and angry. For all you stupid fucks who don't think so. Yup I said that fucking live with it.)
You don't attack people personally when they prove you wrong. Trolls do it and people who don't participate in this forum on a regular basis have a tendacy to do it.
Its wrong in my opinion . period!
As far as the vendor question go I can personally say every vendor I have had to P.M. for a price has been fine. I know what they go through.
NemeGuero
12-03-2007, 07:07 PM
Logan is my lover.
drift freaq
12-03-2007, 07:19 PM
Logan is my lover.
we know that Evan. LOL
MURPHY
12-03-2007, 07:19 PM
P.S. the 17 year old kid you mention is a major exception to the rule.
made my week :love:
Edgar
12-03-2007, 07:26 PM
Logan is my lover.
:love: :love: :love: :love: :love:
S13SilviaGirl
12-03-2007, 08:05 PM
By my count there are at least 7 ppl that should be pinked right now.
STOP BITCHING ABOUT THE DAMN PM FOR PRICING AND IF YOU DON'T AGREE DON'T BUY!
BACK ON TOPIC NOW!!!!!
This is about putting Zilvia in a good light! Not about market value or being 'shady'....or being 18. It is plain and simple a warning. TO EVERYONE...Premie or not, Vendor or not, If you do go to another site, stir shit up then some how let it slip that you are from zilvia, or intentionally make it so that zilvia is looking bad, then you are gone! If you keep making it unpleasant here, see ya. We don't need members of poor quality and judgment, regardless of age. get it now?
bamaboy
12-03-2007, 08:22 PM
Well, personally I only belong to one Nissan site and this is it. I dont post much even though I have been here quite some time but the main reason for that is it seems that most members here just bitch out others because of their ideas? I mod on many other sites and that kind of shit doesnt fly I just get out the ban hammer and get rid of them for flaming other members. Now if its a heated discussion I just try to get it calmed down a bit. I like it here but as I said just too many people thinking their way is the only way.... :D
yeah,but it'sthe internet and we are adults and I hatewhen moderators on internet forums feel the need to make sure nobody hurts anyones feelings. if you post a picture of your stock ass car or some cheap ass part, I like having the freedom to tell you that you suck ass and your car looks like an aborted donkey fetus......THANK YOU ZILVIA. That's the beauty of this place......... only dish it out if you can take it.
DrtyRat
12-03-2007, 08:24 PM
By my count there are at least 7 ppl that should be pinked right now.
STOP BITCHING ABOUT THE DAMN PM FOR PRICING AND IF YOU DON'T AGREE DON'T BUY!
BACK ON TOPIC NOW!!!!!
This is about putting Zilvia in a good light! Not about market value or being 'shady'....or being 18. It is plain and simple a warning. TO EVERYONE...Premie or not, Vendor or not, If you do go to another site, stir shit up then some how let it slip that you are from zilvia, or intentionally make it so that zilvia is looking bad, then you are gone! If you keep making it unpleasant here, see ya. We don't need members of poor quality and judgment, regardless of age. get it now?
uh-huh
msglength
GODFATHER
12-03-2007, 08:29 PM
yeah,but it'sthe internet and we are adults and I hatewhen moderators on internet forums feel the need to make sure nobody hurts anyones feelings. if you post a picture of your stock ass car or some cheap ass part, I like having the freedom to tell you that you suck ass and your car looks like an aborted donkey fetus......THANK YOU ZILVIA. That's the beauty of this place......... only dish it out if you can take it.
LOL, ill give ya that!!!! Excellent Post!!!!
Oh, and most of us are adults but there are some that act like they are 12 LOL:bigok:
acting like a dumb kid FTW.
what are these so called ppl talking about zilvia? what kinda shit are they saying is what im asking i guess?
and what other forums are they on and doing this on?
should we keep a look out on other forums for them?
GODFATHER
12-03-2007, 08:43 PM
I think that might be hard especially if they use different usernames????
ixfxi
12-04-2007, 12:46 AM
By my count there are at least 7 ppl that should be pinked right now.
STOP BITCHING ABOUT THE DAMN PM FOR PRICING AND IF YOU DON'T AGREE DON'T BUY!
BACK ON TOPIC NOW!!!!!
hahah you moderators.............
you guys are like the sheep herders, trying to keep us all in the pack.... you should know better than that, LISA.. :-)
1) you can only pink assholes you dont know. you dont want to pink the assholes that you DO know... ha!
2) trying to keep these discussions ON TOPIC. because god forbid, they go off topic. then we have to go through ALLLLL that trouble of, closing, re-creating threads, etc... man, what a job...!
3) leave it to old_s13 to change the topic from.... i dunno, what was it originally about again? to...... VENDOR PRICING!
seriously, i feel like i add a lot of corruption to this forum. i think zilvia would have a lot more organization and less corruption with me BANNED again
ha
SochBAT
12-04-2007, 01:36 AM
But you're the resident asshole that we love.
Zilvia <3's you Mike.
motorsnail
12-04-2007, 01:38 AM
hahah you moderators.............
you guys are like the sheep herders, trying to keep us all in the pack.... you should know better than that, LISA.. :-)
1) you can only pink assholes you dont know. you dont want to pink the assholes that you DO know... ha!
2) trying to keep these discussions ON TOPIC. because god forbid, they go off topic. then we have to go through ALLLLL that trouble of, closing, re-creating threads, etc... man, what a job...!
3) leave it to old_s13 to change the topic from.... i dunno, what was it originally about again? to...... VENDOR PRICING!
seriously, i feel like i add a lot of corruption to this forum. i think zilvia would have a lot more organization and less corruption with me BANNED again
ha
Daaaaaaaamn... He like stole your thunder. Now how do you choose to feel about that?:tweak:
MrChow
12-04-2007, 02:30 AM
The idea of this forums being +18 well won't do jack IMO. Your going have a lot of posts from this +18 that sounds like under 18 and it's just going to be weird.
One thing/idea you can do is letting people read and search the forums for free. Then if they want to start posting or something make them to pay like a 25 cents or something. That will filter a good amount out because only a selected few of the kids will have a CC or paypal.
Or you can do it in really small level. Like
1st lvl - viewing and search forums - free
2nd lvl - reply to "newer post" and PM - 25 cents
3rd lvl - creating threads and something else - other 25 cents.
Then there preime have pay blah and renew blah.
The first three is like a one time deal pay it and your done.
As for the marketplace I've been mostly lucky for everything I've bought.
I think the same idea should be used in a sense with the marketplace. Like making the thread to sell things. Something like getting a confirmation from paypal or pic to mod, admin or a few select user that there where they and what there selling is in there hands. But only sells that are $800 and up. I dunno that's idea.
Or better yet tell them go to ebay and sell a few things there or go there the big stuff there then some rep about selling then come back.
I dunno there a lot of small thing I think you can do that'll filter the bad out.
There's my 02 cents to all of this. Sorry for any english again. Dumb being a ABC..
^^ redid it. Anyone have a opinion about it? I really want to know what you guys think. Mods, admin anything??
I have a lot more idea's but that's main stuff. Making people pay 25 cent shouldn't be a problem. I mean it's a freaking quarter. But to have a bank account and or paypal is something else for some. That should filter a lot of the kids out. Then redoing the main page or making sure that they know that we have a search thing. Should help a lot.
As I said I have a ton of ideas.
Well discuss! Give me opinions.
JeremyR
12-04-2007, 02:44 AM
hey logan i know EXACTLY what you mean about customers assuming the auto industry is all about haggling. i'm a service advisor/sales associate for an automotive shop, and i always get customers saying so and so has it cheaper, or that my tires prices are way higher than else where. my favorites are: "can you match tire rack?" or "can you beat cosco?". tehy always ask what is the best price i can give, or that the shop next door quoted them cheaper. now i dont mind giving my regular customers, or friends, or really really nice customers a hook up, i hate when someone just walks in like a hard ass and pretty much asks for the impossible.
i dont tell the drive thru at burger king that the bic mac is cheaper and that they should beat MCDs price. i just realise that hey, i wanted a whopper, and if its 4 bucks than its 4 bucks. end of story. too many people take advantage of those in the industry. i love when customers just take it for what it is. and realise that i have to make a living too. i'm not out trying to rip anyone off. okay thats the end of my rant..haha.. posi rep for logan!
NemeGuero
12-04-2007, 02:58 AM
I'm getting popcorn.
MrChow
12-04-2007, 03:03 AM
^^ Here's another reason why I like these forums.
Hella kicked back people. There here to talk about cars, learn, getting opinions, help, get some giggles here and there, and makes some friends. Well at least that's what I think because that's what I've been doing.
Hey Guero your going to need more the just popcorn. While your here add your 02 cents to my post ^^^
NemeGuero
12-04-2007, 03:18 AM
My .02 doesn't matter..
its not a democracy here.
LETS HAVE A COUP
except they could just ban us all.
fliprayzin240sx
12-04-2007, 04:27 AM
My .02 doesn't matter..
its not a democracy here.
LETS HAVE A COUP
except they could just ban us all.
Time to move to Australia neme...
Iono, Ive a post whore galore just cuz I got nothing else to do at work. Ill go thru my day in this order: Zeroyon.com (local board here in Oki), check my old crews site just to see whats going on with everybody (PXr), then here. Spend a good hour till I post in every section, then move to other boards. Other boards being, Importfanatix.com, and lately ive been chilling in 240sxforums again just cuz its been pretty chill there. There are n00bs but it feels like the n00bs are in check over there.
Which I think is the reason were having problems in zilvia right now. N00bies are not getting checked and put in their place in here. They show up, get chopped down, and they get pissed off. They either stay around and bitch/complain about it, or they bring their butt buddies over from the other forums like theyre gonna protect them.
GODFATHER
12-04-2007, 07:33 AM
My .02 doesn't matter..
its not a democracy here.
LETS HAVE A COUP
except they could just ban us all.
:drama: Im with Neme and Chow :drama:
motorsnail
12-04-2007, 09:00 AM
My .02 doesn't matter..
its not a democracy here.
LETS HAVE A COUP
except they could just ban us all.
Did he just say "COUP" , Its about to get crazy up in this mama flickle..... I can sence the subject has much it has..:ugh:
ThatGuy
12-04-2007, 09:02 AM
You guys just don't know when to shut up.
I'm closing this. I may decide to pink some of you for your ignorance when I get home from work tonight.
:lockd:
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