Paintjob quality sucked!

[SOCAL240]

sorry i had to express my anger and hope to see if anybody has anything positive / negative to say is ok...

okay so now after 2 months i am coming to face the fact that my paintjob that i had done on my car really came out shitty.. i live in Santa Ana and i paid 1,500 to get a paintjob done on 5th street yeah wow 1,500 dollars on a paintjob i expected a good job. i got it back and i was excited because when i bought the car it was primered and it looked like shittt!! so this is the main thing i am angry about around the door handles u can still see some primer ( even where u insert the key ) also they even somewhat painted my exhaust :-0 and they somewhat also painted part of my radiator...
but yeah what do you guys suggest?
i know its late to go 2 months after the paintjob to go and ask him to repaint the door handles

what should i do??

the paintjob was a metallic daytona blue just in case it matters

[rlpinoy]

$1500 f that you better go there and demand satisfaction!!

[Flybert]

You should have checked out the work they did before giving them $1500. You should have also addressed the issues right when it came out of paint. Deal with it and learn a valuable lesson from it.

[Enomshekiaah2]

Aww 2 months thats too long....Yeah at Maco or whatever they call it just goes crazy and sprays anything and everything I seen it done to my friends car...had a nice exhaust too colored teal of some sort hahah yeah its ok ill try find out where i got my paint but i think u'll be discouraged into spending more money on paint sry man... : (

[kvahag]

it is kind of late. but you paid a pretty sum, i would go fight it. but then again, i wouldn't pay until i examined the work.

good luck :-/

[White Comet]

lets see some pics of how it turned out

[ctm_motortrends]

Overspray is a Mother that's why I took all my front end off. Stillgot some on my coils.

[SOCAL240]

i sure have learned a valuable lesson ... wow man this gets me really angry just thinkin more about it
thanks rlpinoy ima go back and demand satisfaction!! those bastards took my 1,500 hard earned money and got some illegal mexicans to paint my damn car fuck! i cant believe it but then again fuck Santa Ana this city is full of scammers.. well a lot of em
damn sorry i went off topic its juts that im very angry


and i had also seen theyre work they had a classic mustang and was painted nicely and thought mine would come out the same way
and i was like :-0 no fuken way i even had to go back because they forgot to paint between the pignose bumper!! :/

[SOCAL240]

i will take pics of the door handle right now as a matter of fact!! LOL even at this time of our but the quality will suck since ima do it from my sis camera phone ill get it in a couple min!!

[Enomshekiaah2]

Get thoes pics I didnt see it when I got the wheels off ya haha

[jobestudios]

1500 is on the cheap side for a full respray, however its too bad you got a bad painter...

[inertiadrft]

That sucks, $1500 is to much to pay for crapy work, you should of adressed the problem asap....

[SOCAL240]

okay so here are some quick cellphone pics since i dont have the cable for the digital camera to upload em but here they are they get me soo angry
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m298/sergio550/d5.jpg
this is under the door handle
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m298/sergio550/d4.jpg
if u see carefully u can see the white around the door handles.
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m298/sergio550/d3.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m298/sergio550/d2.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m298/sergio550/d2.jpg

and this is where they fucked up right between my windshield and the roof of my car
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m298/sergio550/d5.jpg

what do u guys think??

well i know the pics are crappy but i think u guys can sorta get an idea.

[Enomshekiaah2]

Go back and make them do it over....thats bad for that much $$ spent...

[SOCAL240]

yeah man i am going to go tomorrow altho its late and theyre going to wine about it i will take it to the limit of askin ppl with higher authority about this.. i will keep you guys posted tomorrow with updated shit that happens and hopefully i get it repainted on some parts if not then the battle begins....

[bardabe]

^^^ what he said.

[SOCAL240]

one last question before i head out to bed .. just in case the guy doesnt want to repaint some parts
where can i take it a step further as a complaint??

[Irukandji]

Offtopic, but isn't that the chevy cobalt color?

Looks nice

[SOCAL240]

i have no idea i just know the name is "daytona blue"
hope that helps ..but does anybody know where i can possibly put out a complaint for the small business if they deny helpin me out??
thanks..

[rlpinoy]

better business bureau?

[jdFKNmVRT]

i stripped my car down to a rolling chassis and pulled my windsheild i still paid $4000 plus i had to install the doors and kit myself

[SOCAL240]

thankyou i can finally go to sleep in peace :]
lol
ill let u guys know what happens tomorrow

[MADE]

From my friends exprience for a good paint job in SOCAL you gotta spend at least 3G's. Like anything else before considering a shop look at the previous work/inpro work and the facilities. And ask a shit load of questions and hold them accountable for the answers if you decide to have them do the work. My friend is going on his 3rd paint job in 5 months with his 69 chevelle. Almost the cost of the classic restorators price with way less quality. I think any decent shop would fix your issues just make sure they don't make it worse.

[PRADOgy]

considering that paint is probably for 5years+ id be like WTF its barley 2 months and look!!!!

[k's_silvia2.0]

Post pics of the whole car :keke:.

[PhilVia]

same thing happen to my friends car here in socal .. color was lambo orange and it came out looking close to brown and they got lazy left the molding on lol...good thing i was there with him I told him don't bring the car home they need to fix this shit repaint..guess what it came out great.
Lesson learn always inspect every detail take your time before driving it home.
I'm sure you can still have them fix it be persistent on ur demand. Did you sign a contract saying if your not satisfy money back guaranty?

[SOCAL240]

well i just came back from the place and its not there anymore ..it was taken over by some other painters and now its called some either wack ass shit..oh well ima look for another 240 shell and have it painted from there and get my motor on the other one. :/

[LloydXmas]

I do paint and bodywork, and where I live a respray w/o doing jambs in 2500 and that is also for no bodywork. 1500 for a complete color change is dirt cheap. They didn't remove the handles that is why it is chipping away from the edges. The more taken off a car the better the quality of a paint job.

[MADE]

well i just came back from the place and its not there anymore ..it was taken over by some other painters and now its called some either wack ass shit..oh well ima look for another 240 shell and have it painted from there and get my motor on the other one. :/

Is it the same shop under new mangenment type deals if so they might still paint it.

[s13Dr1ft]

Your gonna buy another shell and just swap everything over because of the paint? Why would you have even waited? that shit would have been back in the booth that day if it were my car.

Oh well, im going to turn my garage into a paint booth.

[95Kouki]

i'm with LloydXmas...1500 you can't complain...especially if u just dropped the car outt without any prep...labor costs money...you should always take the time and disassemble everything yourself...Tow the bitch over there...they probably underbid the job...and instead of swallowing the cost for there fuck-up or asking you to cover the difference....they short cutted it...sucks but thats what happens...

put it to you this way...I towed my car with nothing in it or on...and i mean nothing...it was already bodyworked and poly primed...all they had to do was wetblock...and my paint job cost me 4500 bux...material and labor...

Sucks man...but I think you should at least try....it wouldn't hurt...but you may be two months too late

[SoloSilvia]

I own a shop here in Ohio, and our speciality is paint and body work. What LloydXmas and 95Kouki are sayin is absolutely right! You get what you pay for, and $1500 for a full color change paint job is cheap! Ive seen alot of these deals go down, and its somehting that people out there are doing to get by and ship the job out! You should have talked with them a lil bit more and told them the quality you were looking for. And what others are saying, alwasy inspect before taking. I cant speak on the shop, and it sounds like they were shady to begin with and should have explained difference in prices to you! I know any customer that walks thru my door and wants to change the color of there car, I start them off around 3 g's. Ive had people say, well I only got a grand or so. And usualy we wont take them on, cause we know they wont be happy or we're gonna have to much time in a cheap job that we wanna make look nice. We've had to take cheap jobs at hard points of start up, but we wouldnt let them go looking like that. When colorchanging, we pull all doors, trunk, hood, seals, 1/4 windows, ect... so you get no tape lines or painted moldings, ect. SOrry they did this to you, and it shows they must not of gave a crap if there outa business already! Its one of them things, you live and you learn! Hopefully you can get something to your advantage worked out on this, Good luck!

[8kred]

that looks like a $150 paint job from mexico.

[xamraci]

My buddies have had cars painted(re-painted) upwards of 3 times...I am just lucky that my $1200 RESPRAY just needed wet sanding and some TLC to get her on the way...unpainted shit is uncalled for...:fawk2:

I would take it up there and see what they are willing to do for you

[firelizard]

$1200 bucks, can't expect much, but, they should have been upfront..and, well, shitty prep is shitty prep.

[motorsnail]

That looks like ass macco does better for $350........

[racepar1]

$1500 for a complete color change is waaaaaayyyyyyyy too cheap! You should have known the quality would be crap. Just a full paint job without color change at a good shop would run somewhere from $2500 to $3500. Next time do as much of the prep as you can yourself and go over EXACTLY what you want with the shop before you send it to get painted. Sucks man, but everybody has to learn the hard way sometimes. :-/

[2ilvia]

id report their quality work to the Better Business Bureaus (man that was hard to spell)

[GoodOl'S13]

Live & learn.

[shifteds14]

to clean it up a bit i have a few suggestions my man

1-triple tape off ur moldings with the overspray and try removing it with some thinners . caution do not soak it down the thinners will sooner or later get beneath the tape , hence the 3x masking off.

2- take apart ur door handle tape them off and where the latch is red sand down with 600 grit and rattle can them semi gloss black

if the molding around the window are bad call up a glass company have them remove and install ur windows with new oem moldings

its not the end of the world , but 1500 for a color change is extremely cheap that is why the prep work was careless

[shifteds14]

to clean it up a bit i have a few suggestions my man

1-triple tape off ur moldings with the overspray and try removing it with some thinners . caution do not soak it down the thinners will sooner or later get beneath the tape , hence the 3x masking off.

2- take apart ur door handle tape them off and where the latch is red sand down with 600 grit and rattle can them semi gloss black

if the molding around the window are bad call up a glass company have them remove and install ur windows with new oem moldings

its not the end of the world , but 1500 for a color change is extremely cheap that is why the prep work was careless

[a_ahmed]

I paid 2300$ for mine it had tons of orange peel + overspray on windows a little that is scraped off with a razor blade... and... slightly over the trim like yours a little bit but the guy 'painted' those parts black a lil.. it doesnt look that bad but he fucked it up and ripped me off... i didnt know better :(... I thought I was getting a deal..change from original s13 green to silver..which was suppose to be apex silver from a lancer evo... however.. he painted it 'cool metallic' and God knows only from where or what.. its a blueish silver and it wasnt suppose to be...

Solosilvia your white s14 rocks...

[extra-made garage]

well i just came back from the place and its not there anymore ..it was taken over by some other painters and now its called some either wack ass shit..oh well ima look for another 240 shell and have it painted from there and get my motor on the other one. :/

Sorry to hear, maybe the new painters would do better jobs. If I lived in Philly, I would've taken my car to Solosilvia for paint. Sometimes cheaping out ain't worth it.

[SOCAL240]

yeah i definetely have learned from this experience i came to a realization that fuck it a 240 is a 240 it aint to be that pretty anyways right? i mean if ima screw around with it and anyways it might end up geting hit its like a gamble.. but yeah 1,500 i thought they would of done great but ehh... its okay i deal with it now
thanks for everybody responsse next time i will take shit apart and inspect
pssh i was better off doing a maaco paintjob hehehe

[babowc]

the white shit just looks like leftover buffing material.

take pics of the paint CLOSE up and full shot of the car.
lets see it.

stop bitching too..
caveat emptor.

[motorsnail]

Maaco isnt that bad if you do good prep. I know a couple guys that work at maaco bad ass painters and do good work, they just dont prep other people do and they suck. Just prep your self any painter that has a job somwhere like that can paint. If its not good demand better its a big buisness theyll fix it just my 2 cents.

[Jbma327]

thats fuked up for $1500. should have looked up his work b4 u had it painted there. Hope he fixs your paint

[SOCAL240]

i will try to take pics because i dont have a cable to upload the pics from the digi cam but i dont think the job was done bad at all actually for 1,500
the only thing i am bitching about and upset about is around the door handles how it was left so hopefully it can be fixed and look like knew
also one question.. i see a lot of paintjobs that are "metallic" has a crapload of flakes and is wayy too exaggerated i thought mine would come out like that since i got a metallic blue paintjob but luckily u can see the flakes from up close or when the sun hits it ...althou i have heard that detailing shops have special soaps and buffers to bring out the sparkles even more and possibly make the car look a bit better??
^^^ anybody done an exterior detail to their car? and what has been the results??? thanks!!

[xamraci]

Let me re-phrase my previous statement...I paid $1200 for PAINT...Let me REPHRASE again...I paid 1200$ for THE PAINT...the labor and prep which was un-needed because the car just got a lite sand and the roof, hood, and deck got primered...Paint and Clear was 800$(OEM honda Red FTL:rant2: ) and he threw the paint on the car for the remainder...I didnt bitch for 1200 bux, but I could have had paint matched some place and done just as well spraying it myself...I would still go up there and see if they would clean some stuff up for you:w00t:

[SOCAL240]

well that place doesnt exist anymore it has a new name and a new owner now...thats the problem.

but i am wondering if with some exterior detailing on the car some of that can be fixed
^^^^
anyone can please answer me this thanksss

[widegts]

SOCAL240 - I do paint jobs for 1500, it is true to, you get what you pay for. It depends tho, on the shop. My overhead is not to high, so I can do a good paint job for that 1500, 1week turn around around if paid in full at drop off, ..

OR

I CAN DO A HORRIBLE JOB, which I am not proud of, but it happens if certain things happen

- customer calls extensively and watches me while i work, which is ok but always asks... ''why do u do that, is that how its suppose to be done" haha

other then that, i would probably do a cheap job, if you want like a 300-500 job. What do I mean about cheap?

- no wetsand
- no buff


---

as for things CHIPPING OFF!, that is warranty issues, any paint job above 1200 has to have warranty against chipping.

---

You can touch it up, clean it up, spot paint, wetsand buff, no need to repaint whole car, or get a shell.

Take it to the shop, and ill help u for free, help i mean, ill show u...

[SOCAL240]

as for now the paint hasnt chipped off ...but uhm thanks for the offer but ima broke ass college kid as of right now having a car equals wasting a lot of $$ on it
hehe even in stupid choices.. do u know if it would help though to get it detailed??

[vinhisbored]

i really don't honestly think that "$1500 is wayyyyyyy too cheap for a complete color change."

it all depends on where you go. some like to go to the more mainsteam/known places, but obviously you will be paying A LOT more.

here is an example.

i bought my daily, but got tired of it being primered.
before:
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a50/vinhisbored/civic/civic-justpurchased2.jpg
after:
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a50/vinhisbored/civic/civic-painted003.jpg
http://i8.photobucket.com/albums/a50/vinhisbored/civic/civic-painted004.jpg

yes, there is 'some' orange peel but it's not even that bad. paint is super glossy. and how much i paid? $900 w/o door jams. and the paint used was PPG paint. (and yes, the car was re-primered before it was painted) it was some small shop out here around me.

*edit. oh yeah. the after pictures were taken BEFORE the wetsanding/buffing (which was still included in the price). it came out cleaner afterwards, but then i sold the car shortly after so i don't have updated pictures

[240trooper]

theres a guy in the south bay that does areally nice job for around 700 bux, u just gotta have everything preped your self, hes allways packed, my friend got his integra painted by him Honda White, wich came out very nice, i allready know its late and ur broke, arnt we all? Im working on a non nissin project and im just go flat black fuk a paint job this shit gunna be a sleeper

[SochBAT]

some of the responses in this thread are retarded.

Yes, 1500 is cheap for a color change.

You should have researched a bit more. See some cars they've previosuly done.

Try doing your own prep-work. Its fun, you learn shit, and if you fuck up, they have to fix it, for not much more.

I personally think MAACO could've done better. But still, you get what you pay for. 1500 = Cheap.

Fucking 240 owners.

[motorsnail]

SOCAL240 - I do paint jobs for 1500, it is true to, you get what you pay for. It depends tho, on the shop. My overhead is not to high, so I can do a good paint job for that 1500, 1week turn around around if paid in full at drop off, ..

OR

I CAN DO A HORRIBLE JOB, which I am not proud of, but it happens if certain things happen

- customer calls extensively and watches me while i work, which is ok but always asks... ''why do u do that, is that how its suppose to be done" haha

other then that, i would probably do a cheap job, if you want like a 300-500 job. What do I mean about cheap?

- no wetsand
- no buff


---

as for things CHIPPING OFF!, that is warranty issues, any paint job above 1200 has to have warranty against chipping.

---

You can touch it up, clean it up, spot paint, wetsand buff, no need to repaint whole car, or get a shell.

Take it to the shop, and ill help u for free, help i mean, ill show u...

HAHA So I dont just suck at my first time painting!! Distractions suck painted today for the first time on a fender and it sucks. I wouldnt talk to the painter while he paints . I like started getting nervous just from my girlfriend and my buddy talkin shit while I was painting...Making it look al horrid and nasty... To the OP you could just be like me and go buy a gun and learn to paint. Save you thousands in your lifetime if you like cars and not to mention all the friends cars you could be painting on the weekend for extra cash. Just a thought then you could only blaim yourself and try agian.

[xamraci]

And a side note...its exactly why, as a broke ass college student, I havent had a car painted ANOTHER color. I have had three cars painted and I got all of them re-sprayedbecause I would rather pay 1200$ to get some paint laid down than what it would cost me if I did the prep work for a full color change...which would have cost me 2800$ If I pulled the motor, interior, glass, door panels, dash, ect...which wasnt bad but still I didnt strip the interior on any of my other cars:Ownedd:

Just do exactly what was posted in regaurds to fixing your doors...it will work more than likely...I had 14hrs of wet sanding, buffing, and detailing to get mine the way it should have looked...but I half way expected it

[!Zar!]

So why exactly did it take you two months to your car and notice the quality sucked?

Not only did you pay little for a color change, but your car was red at that, which makes it even harder iirc.

[tattoo131313]

I do paint and bodywork, and where I live a respray w/o doing jambs in 2500 and that is also for no bodywork. 1500 for a complete color change is dirt cheap. They didn't remove the handles that is why it is chipping away from the edges. The more taken off a car the better the quality of a paint job.

Your right.I paid 3200 for color change,jams,minor bodywork and aero fitted on.I think I got a bargain

[SOCAL240]

i think i should of said this first ...this is what 1,500 covered me

1. metallic blue paintjob
2. fixed my hood ( it wouldnt close all the way before ) ( so this would go under body work)
3. it was primered before i took it in but they said they had to sand it down and primer it again...so they primered it AGAIN
4. and the end result was the complete color change, fixed hood, except i was left with some bad surfaces (the ones i posted up pictures of )

now that u guys point out how much real paintjobs cost in the 2,300 and 3,500
then i think i gota somewhat of a hella of a deal to do a complete color change for 1,500

[SOCAL240]

So why exactly did it take you two months to your car and notice the quality sucked?

Not only did you pay little for a color change, but your car was red at that, which makes it even harder iirc.


well this was my mind set when i got it back.. WOW it looks soo nice ( considering i had always seen it primered and dirty stains on the primer )
so i was satisfied although my mother kept on saying noo take that shit back adn have em re do the doorjams and i would say " aah the car looked like crap before look at it now atleast it loooks better now"
so yeah lesson learned remember momma is wise LOL

[SOCAL240]

:aw: okay well this is my last update and then this thread can get lost. I want your guys opinion on spots where it needs attention i got to upload some pics so ima post some up..thanks
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m298/sergio550/x6.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m298/sergio550/x4.jpg
http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m298/sergio550/x3.jpg

* and yes i know my car needs coilovers i just dont have the money .. just wanted to get that outa the way before the bashing comes through*

so please be nice
1,500 was it worth it?
thanks

[koukimonster139]

ok fuck what everyone has said in this thread



that is excellent for 1500


excellent.

For the paintjob you were expecting I would normally charge anywhere from $2800-3200

[koukimonster139]

also

blackout the rad. support area and fake grilles

[illkanelll]

don't all paint shops offer like at least 1 year warranty? you should take that thing back and have them redo all the spots they missed. i'd make a list of the things you found thats wrong and make them redo it. tell them its probably easier if they take the removable parts off of the car.
The shop i went to in El monte, CA takes all the removable parts (bumpers, doors, trunk) off and then send it into the paint booth.

[SOCAL240]

also

blackout the rad. support area and fake grilles


what do you mean by black out the rad and. support area and FAKE GRILLS

???

do you mean that they should of had painted the radiator support area and the grills?

[!Zar!]

well i just came back from the place and its not there anymore ..it was taken over by some other painters and now its called some either wack ass shit..oh well ima look for another 240 shell and have it painted from there and get my motor on the other one. :/


don't all paint shops offer like at least 1 year warranty? you should take that thing back and have them redo all the spots they missed. i'd make a list of the things you found thats wrong and make them redo it. tell them its probably easier if they take the removable parts off of the car.
The shop i went to in El monte, CA takes all the removable parts (bumpers, doors, trunk) off and then send it into the paint booth.

I'll assume you missed that.

Don't worry. It's ok. We don't hate you.





what do you mean by black out the rad and. support area and FAKE GRILLS

???

do you mean that they should of had painted the radiator support area and the grills?


It shouldn't have been painted in the first place. Those pieces are supposed to be black.

I'll excuse your grammar and assume you're drunk.

[SOCAL240]

I'll assume you missed that.

Don't worry. It's ok. We don't hate you.








It shouldn't have been painted in the first place. Those pieces are supposed to be black.

I'll excuse your grammar and assume you're drunk.



lol... well no im not drunk but eh.. i see now
so should i remove those grills and primer them and paint them black?

or should i just leave it as it is before i ruin it?
LOL
thanks for the quick response

oh oh also today i washed my car and i realized that the "white stuff" around dthe door handles and other areas such as btween the trunk glass an the roof was able to get off :0

i used a screw driver wrapped around a tshit and just scraped away carefully and it was falling off :]

[Jtuned_andy]

Are you sure that all the "white stuff" wasn't just rubbing compound they used when they buffed the paint job?

[SOCAL240]

Are you sure that all the "white stuff" wasn't just rubbing compound they used when they buffed the paint job?


ahh never knew it was called rubbing compound.. is it rubbing compound if i can take it off easily with my nails by scratching it??
because thats what i noticed that the "white stuff" was easily removed by scratching it off or using a flathead screwdriver covered in a t-shirt to remove it...

by anychance do you know if a detail service can get it cleaned?
or any do it yourself items i can grab to clean it off?
thanks

[koukimonster139]

the "white stuff" is not some super mysterious ghost jizz


its clearcoat that was wetsanded off during the wetsand and buff process

its also buffing compound from when it was buffed

[koukimonster139]

stop showing off your ignorance too


go google automotive painting process

or

automotive painting

or something


fuck.

[bo2o]

ya use a tooth brush on it and it should come off if he buffed it, should be compound.

i kould do that job for 1200

[SOCAL240]

aaaight ima stop being lazy i thought that maybe ur intelligence might rubb off on me online and i can get rid of my ignorance:hs:

[Jtuned_andy]

The rubbing compound will come off with some elbow grease. Like mentioned before grab an old worn tooth brush and some soapy water or something, take it easy and start working that shit out of the crevasses.

[Captain_Ron80]

ok fuck what everyone has said in this thread



that is excellent for 1500


excellent.

For the paintjob you were expecting I would normally charge anywhere from $2800-3200

True ^^^ ... My old man paid 4k to have his XK120 painted... and we did the prep work. $1500 is to be considered cheep for a paint job and nobody should expect much quality for that price. And IMO it looks pretty good! Maybe only from 10' away...

[t . b o z]

Looks like the gave you a Maaco job. Overspray and spots not sprayed = poor prep work.

Looks like you got your money's worth.

[kuruptR]

i would expect that for the price you paid, i just paid 5000 for mine... they completely disassembled the car and painted it basically piece by piece. they even took the door handles apart.

I did pay 1700 for my red paint, it had the peeling paint in the door jam, door handles that had poor masking, and windows with masking lines.... its expected.. But they should clean up all the over spray for you.

[used240sxparts]

i paid $300 for my track car and it came out the same and im happy eheh lol

[deesz]

if it makes you feel anybetter i cant find a place around the bay area that will do a desent paint job for under 4000.
i think that is too much. it sucks that your un happy u should let them know that it takes time for paint to cure and for you to start seeing spots that didnt turn out ok. i would go start to the owner/manager and let them know that you went there with trust that they would do a good job on your baby.

that sucks man let us know what happends when you go talk to them.

[k's_silvia2.0]

To the OP:
is this your car?
http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h78/lizzleXfizzle/2404.jpg

[k's_silvia2.0]

:wavey: SOCAL240 or should I say 1989rps13.

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