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BboyOxygen

09-26-2002, 12:21 PM

I'm really considering dropping a V8 in my 240 for the sake of being different.. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>  Anyway I have a few questions that maybe you guys could help me out with... Before I ask them, if you think I shouldn't put a v8 in my car then dont even bother responding because I dont care about your opinion, I WANT TO DO IT and I HAVE THE RIGHT TO DO IT.

Anyway, Here are the questions:

Should I put a chevy 350 or a ford 302 in?
I'm thinkin about a shortened ford 9" rear end.. Any other ideas?
How about suspension and braking.. I'm pretty lost on this part so if you have any input please let me know!

Thanks a lot for the help!

DSC

09-26-2002, 12:33 PM

I don't think you should do it...but I'm replying anyway because I want to and I have the right to <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

I'm not sure if you've really thought this through so I figure I'll throw out some ideas.

weight/weight distrobution <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>
Size, does it even physically fit?
Custom fabrication of mounts, piping and who knows what else.
Custom wireing, can you say pain in the ass?

If your building a drag only car, this will make it fast...do doubt.  But you'll suck on a road course or doing the dr1ft.

PS: 350 <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>
I dono if these guys can help you, but here's a link to hybridz.org (http://www.hybridz.org)

ca18guy

09-26-2002, 12:39 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DSC @ Sep. 27 2002,07:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I don't think you should do it...but I'm replying anyway because I want to and I have the right to <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

I'm not sure if you've really thought this through so I figure I'll throw out some ideas.

weight/weight distrobution <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>
Size, does it even physically fit?
Custom fabrication of mounts, piping and who knows what else.
Custom wireing, can you say pain in the ass?

If your building a drag only car, this will make it fast...do doubt. But you'll suck on a road course or doing the dr1ft.

PS: 350 <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>
I dono if these guys can help you, but here's a link to hybridz.org (http://www.hybridz.org)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Weak.  The V8 would weigh around the same as a RB, and would sit back closer to the firewall then the RB.  No wiring when you have a carb, and the same amount of fabrication as a RB swap (cept motor mounts) with the largest aftermarket known to cars at your finger tips (hmmm yeah this is a bad idea)

For suspension I would do it up like it was a normal 240. The weight won't be thrown off that bad. And I would get a 350, cause I like chevys more then fords.

240 2NR

09-26-2002, 12:57 PM

I was just thinking about this and if it were to be worth it for me, I think I'd try and find an older carb'ed ferrari V8.  Now that would be pretty damn cool, to leap off the line screaming like an italian exotic.  And then to open the hood with a prancing horse and 8 velocity stacks staring back at you would be the pimpness.  Now to find a rearended (or frontended) ferrari to pilage an engine from.

AKADriver

09-26-2002, 01:10 PM

The Ford 302 is narrower and lighter than the SBC.  Unless I could score a sweet deal on an LS1/T56 combo out of a 4th gen F-body, the 302 would be my choice.  Besides, unlike the Chevy 350's aftermarket, which is mostly geared towards the old carbureted models, there's plenty of speed parts available specifically for the modern SEFI 5.0 found in '86-'95 Mustangs.  I wouldn't put a carburetor anywhere near my 240SX unless it was somehow advantageous for a specific race class.  It's just a step down.

WHY would you even think of using a straight axle?  That TOTALLY defeats the purpose of using a 240SX as a chassis...  you really might as well get a Mustang/Camaro then.  The R200 diff is proven strong enough behind a 302 or 350.  Remember all the 240Z engine swaps are using R200s or even the smaller/weaker R180!  I say keep the stock rear end and suspension, use a VLSD from a J30 to drop the ratio down to 3.92:1.  If the VLSD isn't enough the popular aftermarket LSDs will work well, you might need to work with the supplier to get a properly tuned breakaway torque etc. since you're now working with an engine that produces huge torque at lower speeds.

Suspension and braking, use the same upgrades as any other 240SX.  300ZX brakes are plenty for a mild V8.  Beyond that, you could go with any big brake kit designed for a 300ZX.

The small amount of weight added up front (the same as an RB swap, I'd say) might demand some different suspension tuning.  Get coilovers and corner balance.  The other advantage of coilovers, you could step up the front spring rate easily.

Stagger tire sizes... people already do this with built turbo cars, it'd be worth it here.  Really, running as wide as possible front and rear should give a good stagger.  In an S13 with coilovers that's going to be like 225's up front and 245's in the rear.

Yes... I've thought about this quite a bit.  Though I think if I ever build a V8 import it'll be a 1st or 2nd gen RX7.  These swaps are already proven to work very well, and there's a lot of them available cheap with blown wanker..er...wankel motors.

BboyOxygen

09-26-2002, 02:09 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (AKADriver @ Sep. 26 2002,2:10)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The Ford 302 is narrower and lighter than the SBC. Unless I could score a sweet deal on an LS1/T56 combo out of a 4th gen F-body, the 302 would be my choice. Besides, unlike the Chevy 350's aftermarket, which is mostly geared towards the old carbureted models, there's plenty of speed parts available specifically for the modern SEFI 5.0 found in '86-'95 Mustangs. I wouldn't put a carburetor anywhere near my 240SX unless it was somehow advantageous for a specific race class. It's just a step down.

WHY would you even think of using a straight axle? That TOTALLY defeats the purpose of using a 240SX as a chassis... you really might as well get a Mustang/Camaro then. The R200 diff is proven strong enough behind a 302 or 350. Remember all the 240Z engine swaps are using R200s or even the smaller/weaker R180! I say keep the stock rear end and suspension, use a VLSD from a J30 to drop the ratio down to 3.92:1. If the VLSD isn't enough the popular aftermarket LSDs will work well, you might need to work with the supplier to get a properly tuned breakaway torque etc. since you're now working with an engine that produces huge torque at lower speeds.

Suspension and braking, use the same upgrades as any other 240SX. 300ZX brakes are plenty for a mild V8. Beyond that, you could go with any big brake kit designed for a 300ZX.

The small amount of weight added up front (the same as an RB swap, I'd say) might demand some different suspension tuning. Get coilovers and corner balance. The other advantage of coilovers, you could step up the front spring rate easily.

Stagger tire sizes... people already do this with built turbo cars, it'd be worth it here. Really, running as wide as possible front and rear should give a good stagger. In an S13 with coilovers that's going to be like 225's up front and 245's in the rear.

Yes... I've thought about this quite a bit. Though I think if I ever build a V8 import it'll be a 1st or 2nd gen RX7. These swaps are already proven to work very well, and there's a lot of them available cheap with blown wanker..er...wankel motors.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Thanks for your help!  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

DSC

09-26-2002, 02:39 PM

"I'll throw out some ideas." means, some things to think about b4 doing the swap.
I wasn't saying the engine alone weighs 1000lbs, i wasn't saying it does not physically fit, I wasn't saying that it wouldn't work in any area I mentioned...just things to take into consideration.

I'm sorry you felt my post was "weak" ca18guy, but I don't like the feel of a v8 domestic and I would never turn my 240 into one. I was not comparing this swap to a RB, I don't see that it even came up anywhere in the topic...but it's not like those are easy to drop in either. I said it required custom fabrication...you "corrected me" saying it required no more than the RB, ok...well the RB requires custom fab work too...I don't get what your trying to say here. However I was wrong on the wiring, I don't really know anything about carbs.

How much weight will this add? Enough to negate the power gains? no. Enough to make it feel like a different car? I'd tend to think so.
I'm a weight freak as most of you know...so swapping a 4cyl for a 8 cyl would be a big deal for me, I guess it's not so important to most people...

The KA (according to don nimi) weighs ~300lbs w/out any accessories, btw.

AKADriver

09-26-2002, 02:47 PM

Does different necessarily mean worse, though?

A friend who swapped a 302 into an FC RX-7 said the car actually felt better afterward...

ca18guy

09-26-2002, 02:51 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DSC @ Sep. 27 2002,09:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"I'll throw out some ideas." means, some things to think about b4 doing the swap.
I wasn't saying the engine alone weighs 1000lbs, i wasn't saying it does not physically fit, I wasn't saying that it wouldn't work in any area I mentioned...just things to take into consideration.

I'm sorry you felt my post was "weak" ca18guy, but I don't like the feel of a v8 domestic and I would never turn my 240 into one. I was not comparing this swap to a RB, I don't see that it even came up anywhere in the topic...but it's not like those are easy to drop in either. I said it required custom fabrication...you "corrected me" saying it required no more than the RB, ok...well the RB requires custom fab work too...I don't get what your trying to say here. However I was wrong on the wiring, I don't really know anything about carbs.

How much weight will this add? Enough to negate the power gains? no. Enough to make it feel like a different car? I'd tend to think so.
I'm a weight freak as most of you know...so swapping a 4cyl for a 8 cyl would be a big deal for me, I guess it's not so important to most people...

The KA (according to don nimi) weighs ~300lbs w/out any accessories, btw.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
What you said in your first post applied that you thought it was not worty swap on the merits of...

-too hard of a swap (so i compared it to a more popular swap)
-weight (once again I compared it to a more popular swap)

You should have just said what you really thought, "I don't like the feel of a v8 domestic and I would never turn my 240 into one,"  Of which he allready he said he does'nt care.  Your only reason to post was to try and presuade him to your biased few that V8's are the devil by stating things that really are of minimal matter.  You ever think of it the other way around? Maybe its not the chassis getting a worse engine, maybe its the engine getting a better chassis.

DMCS14

09-26-2002, 03:00 PM

engine getting a better chassi? then why does he alredy own the chassi not th eengine?

ca18guy

09-26-2002, 03:09 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DMCS14 @ Sep. 27 2002,10:00)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">engine getting a better chassi? then why does he alredy own the chassi not th eengine?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Why do I own a bbq grill but have no steaks?

Jim96SC2

09-26-2002, 05:17 PM

Well I'd say get a chevy. But specifically get a full forged rotating assembly that has been pre-lightened/balanced/etc. Then grab an all aluminum racing block with a nice set of aluminum heads. Full roller valvetrain (2.02/1.60 valves). Have the heads ported for shits and giggles. Get some cross ram manifolds like on the 1969 Z28 302. Actually get a 3.00" crank and rev her up to around 7,000. Doug Nash, Muncie, etc 5 speed. Cam profile should be about .500" lift otherwise your just wasting my time.

Any more help, just ask.

DSC

09-26-2002, 06:52 PM

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ca18guy @ Sep. 25 2002,5:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DSC @ Sep. 27 2002,09:39)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"I'll throw out some ideas." means, some things to think about b4 doing the swap.
I wasn't saying the engine alone weighs 1000lbs, i wasn't saying it does not physically fit, I wasn't saying that it wouldn't work in any area I mentioned...just things to take into consideration.

I'm sorry you felt my post was "weak" ca18guy, but I don't like the feel of a v8 domestic and I would never turn my 240 into one. I was not comparing this swap to a RB, I don't see that it even came up anywhere in the topic...but it's not like those are easy to drop in either. I said it required custom fabrication...you "corrected me" saying it required no more than the RB, ok...well the RB requires custom fab work too...I don't get what your trying to say here. However I was wrong on the wiring, I don't really know anything about carbs.

How much weight will this add? Enough to negate the power gains? no. Enough to make it feel like a different car? I'd tend to think so.
I'm a weight freak as most of you know...so swapping a 4cyl for a 8 cyl would be a big deal for me, I guess it's not so important to most people...

The KA (according to don nimi) weighs ~300lbs w/out any accessories, btw.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
What you said in your first post applied that you thought it was not worty swap on the merits of...

-too hard of a swap (so i compared it to a more popular swap)
-weight (once again I compared it to a more popular swap)

You should have just said what you really thought, "I don't like the feel of a v8 domestic and I would never turn my 240 into one," Of which he allready he said he does'nt care. Your only reason to post was to try and presuade him to your biased few that V8's are the devil by stating things that really are of minimal matter. You ever think of it the other way around? Maybe its not the chassis getting a worse engine, maybe its the engine getting a better chassis.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Fair enough...you know me and my damn opinions.

Jeff240sx

09-26-2002, 10:02 PM

For some reason, I really would like to see this thing happen.  People are all debating 350 vs. 302.  I don't like the 302... it is a underpowered heap of iron.  230 hp in a Mustang.  Come now... And then the merits of Chevy performance geared towards carbs.  Sure, mabey in Summit or Jegs... but if you get around Camaro and Corvette guys.. they have librarys of tuning magazines and scores of parts places to go.  I just think that the chevy 350 is a proven performer.  I may be biased, as I had a '85 chevy 350, bored to 355 pull 515hp and haul the 'Vette down the quarter mile in 11.2seconds.  That was only a couple grand in parts.  And it was a daily driver.  
And the dream engine... LS6... but if you could get into the LT4 or LS anything... they are small, light, and need to rev, unlike the old iron blocks from pre 90's cars.
Keep us (at least me!<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> posted on choices and milestones.  PM me, or you'll find all my contact info in my profile.
-Jeff

Annoying Eric

09-26-2002, 10:12 PM

Well since my passion is american cars i thought i might as well post, if you plan on dropping a 350 or 302 in it you better plan on cuttign the front off cause theres no way its fitting in there with those struts, you will need to fabricate a custom front subframe and if i were you i'd get some more support under the car with some sub frame connectors, now....

I personally like american cars so i'd go with a 350. Like alot of people are saying, the weight is gonna be a problem cause its gonna make your front lean down, I personally don't think that the rear end won't support the power. You would also need to cut into the firewall and put a custom window in cause the motor is gonna be bigger then the ka, so the motor will need to go under the windshield prolly, I damn WELL HOPE YOUR WANNA PUT CARBS ON IT.... cause if your not then its a waste..

I have thought about putting an american motor in my car so many times and i have always come to the same conclusion, It will cost too much money and the work will take so long...
I even had a dream about putting a hemi motor in the car.. but the hemi would DESTROY the car, it would snap the rear like a twigg..
Well thats my two sence for now, if i think of mroe i will post..later

drift freaq

09-26-2002, 10:27 PM

ok you gonna put in an American V8? then the engine to put in is the Ford 4.6 Quad Over head cam that came in some of the GT's but specifically the Cobra's 96 and up.
Now that motor is a true modern V8 that will eat a 350 for lunch and will spin to 7k with out blinking an eye. drop a Vortec super chager on that baby and your talking reliable 500HP
hehehehe hope you know how to handle that kind of power in a 2800lb car. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

Annoying Eric

09-26-2002, 10:30 PM

the 350 is capable of over 500 with no problem.... Thats why people use SB instead of BB, Small blocks can get more power then a big block with such little work.. and thats without a super charger..

drift freaq

09-26-2002, 10:54 PM

tya but the 350 is still an ancient cam in the block V8 that is from the late 50's .
go ahead and run old technology in a modern car <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'>
Like I said before if your going to put a V8 in eight do it right and use a modern V8 the 4.6 is a dope ass engine.
Plus Ford has V8 history from Formula one to Indy car . the 4.6 comes from that. unless you want to run one of the new Vette motors don't even bother with the chevy. Its for Z cars which by the way are 70's technology a much more appropriate place for the 350.  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'>

LanceS13

09-26-2002, 10:59 PM

Put it in the hatch!  A MR V8 240SX (or would it be a 570SX?) would kick ass IMO...it'd be interesting at least.  That's what I'd do if I had a V8 and money to blow.

r2acres

09-27-2002, 07:17 AM

I've toyed with this idea and this is what I've come up with. A 302 would fit nicely in the engine compartment. You would need custom engine mounts, that you could design and fab. yourself. A c-4 tranny would be the only option since a c-6 is too large. There would be tranny tunnel clearance problems, nothing that a sledgehammer wouldnt take care of. The stock rear could handle up to 400 hp. I would have a custom driveshaft made to order, and of course lsd. Any higher hp and a 9 inch would be the solution. The only problem is that it is independent suspension. So you would have to custom fab a rear end into the car for that(springs, hangers, etc.) As far as the motor go's you might need a custom hood to fit over the carb (hood scoop). A custom radiator with electric fans(to save room) And a stiffer front suspension, to handle the extra weight. That's about it <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'>  <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'>

240sxconversion

12-31-2003, 11:55 AM

Ok as far as the 4.6 DOHC mustang engine goes no way will it fit period. That engine is bigger then a 429 BB. 2 inches wider to be exact. I like fords and all, but go with the 350 chevy. Ford 302 have the stupid exhaust ports that are hard to get headers for. Chevy can make custom headers with ease. The 302 is hard to find parts for due to the fact that new 302 are totally different from older 302. chevy's have almost all interchangeable parts. THe chevy in the end will be a better engine, might now put out as much HP, but will last longer and be better.

DSC

12-31-2003, 12:37 PM

240sxconversion, are you sure it won't fit? Heads make it hit the shock towers or are you just saying it'd hit the hood? Either way, nobody would want a 4.6L anyway :)

A ford mustang hard to find parts for? Not in the USA. Confusing maybe because of all the differences, but not hard to find. I see headers for the 302 everywhere...as well as every other part you could ever want.

BboyOxygen ever do this...since this post was brought back from the dead?

I really wish people would stop bring back old topics that I've posted in. Its amazing that anybody ever listened to me :D

Ghettokracker71

12-31-2003, 07:40 PM

Personally I hate when people put in V-8s in cars like the 240sx.If you want to do a V-8 swap,go buy a cheap-ass MG or something(I've seen it !) I bet an RB weighs about the same as aV-8 and its all nissan baby! I just can't stand when people do shit like that to a nice ass car,like I've seen a bunch of 240z,280z..etc V-8 swaps and it kills me...really........You want to do a V8 swap,get a 2.3L fox mustang .......hell,a Monza or something...I've even heard of a VW BUG with a SBC in it.....I know you don't care what I think,but I felt as though I should still say that...

If you do a V-8 swap...I reccomend the Ford 302,alot more narrow than the SBC and more focused on EFI( I think somebody else said that on this already) ...but the Ford doesn't have quite the power potentail of a SBC,and the 302 block is a 2 bolt main ONLY,you can get the SBC in 2 bolt main,4 bolt main,and even 6 bolt main(stock LS-1,and 5.7 LS-6 not the big block)...You can also get the SBC in aluminum(some LS-1's,all modern 5.7 LS-6's,and you can get the "classic" style block in aluminum that only weights 80lbs w/nothing else on it)

But all that bullshit is just how I see things.

EDIT:You could also most likely get your hands on an SBC alot cheaper than you could get a Ford 302...

Pacman

12-31-2003, 07:42 PM

First off, I would start with a salvaged car, that way if you mess up big time the car is junk in DMV/Insurance standards. For the engine, 440 Six Pack Hemi.... (I like Mopars the best).

Ghettokracker71

12-31-2003, 08:11 PM

Originally posted by Pacman
First off, I would start with a salvaged car, that way if you mess up big time the car is junk in DMV/Insurance standards. For the engine, 440 Six Pack Hemi.... (I like Mopars the best).

Are you kidding ?

Way to much weight

Way to much $ to buy

Way to big to fit(not really,but come on now ! That thing aint what you would call "small")

mrmephistopheles

12-31-2003, 08:23 PM

holy oldass thread batman

Pacman

12-31-2003, 09:14 PM

Originally posted by Ghettokracker71
Are you kidding ?

Way to much weight

Way to much $ to buy

Way to big to fit(not really,but come on now ! That thing aint what you would call "small")

It would be one hell of a drag car tho. Take that to Nopi "The Fast and the Furious' drag series..... :D

Ghettokracker71

12-31-2003, 09:32 PM

Originally posted by Pacman
It would be one hell of a drag car tho. Take that to Nopi "The Fast and the Furious' drag series..... :D

So would an RB26

andrave

01-01-2004, 12:19 AM

GOOD GOD MAN NOOOO!!!

plus you would fuck up your local dragstrip's "import vs domestic war" night, since... that thing is a bastard. in more than one way.
And so are you for proposing it.

what the fuck do you think you can do that hasn't been done already? lets see, v-8 in a 240? gee i've NEVER seen that before
:rolleyes:

only 20 times before. its what guys do when they can't afford a real engine. they figure, well, the camaro has the rear end blown up, and the 240 has the blown engine.. deerrrr....
and they toss it together and it sucks bitter ass.

waste of everything, time, money, whatever. you would be better off selling your poor 240 to someone that cares about it and buying yourself an IROC Z.
good luck with the mullet. they are tricky.

Ghettokracker71

01-01-2004, 09:34 PM

HiPSI

01-02-2004, 09:14 AM

Originally posted by andrave
GOOD GOD MAN NOOOO!!!

plus you would fuck up your local dragstrip's "import vs domestic war" night, since... that thing is a bastard. in more than one way.
And so are you for proposing it.

what the fuck do you think you can do that hasn't been done already? lets see, v-8 in a 240? gee i've NEVER seen that before
:rolleyes:

only 20 times before. its what guys do when they can't afford a real engine. they figure, well, the camaro has the rear end blown up, and the 240 has the blown engine.. deerrrr....
and they toss it together and it sucks bitter ass.

waste of everything, time, money, whatever. you would be better off selling your poor 240 to someone that cares about it and buying yourself an IROC Z.
good luck with the mullet. they are tricky.

what exactly is wrong with taking a 240 with most likely a blown ass KA and putting a more powerful and more readily available engine? he's breathing life into a dead old car it seems so big deal if it's an american engine he wants in there. the same argument goes on on the miata boards when someone wants to take a salvaged or blown up miata and put a 302 swap in it. hell, the 302 in the miata only disrupts the weight balance to 52/48 from pretty much 50/50 and the miata engine weighs much less than a KA. i really don't think he's wanting to do it to be "special"(if he wanted that he would've done the V8 into a civic or something):rolleyes:

vodka

01-02-2004, 10:06 AM

Some guy did this for the GRM $2k2 or 3 challenge, so that would be a good source if you wanted to start looking somewhere. I've seen a couple of guys around with 302's on NICO, not here though for some reason.

240sxconversion

01-02-2004, 12:43 PM

DSC, i am talking about it hitting the shock towers, i am almost 100% sure that it would be too wide. As far as me saying about the 302 parts, i am talking about if u have a new 5.0 302 comared to a old 66 302 totally different, and no parts are interchangeable, not even the tranny. So you would have to get parts from a car that has everything. and if u go with newer 302 need to wire in EFI which is pain in the but. So a old 302 would be best choice, but if u look at Chevy 350 alot of parts can be taken off other chevys like the dizzy, unlike with a ford where all dizzys are different.:)

Ghettokracker71

01-02-2004, 03:30 PM

Originally posted by HiPSI
what exactly is wrong with taking a 240 with most likely a blown ass KA and putting a more powerful and more readily available engine? he's breathing life into a dead old car it seems so big deal if it's an american engine he wants in there. the same argument goes on on the miata boards when someone wants to take a salvaged or blown up miata and put a 302 swap in it. hell, the 302 in the miata only disrupts the weight balance to 52/48 from pretty much 50/50 and the miata engine weighs much less than a KA. i really don't think he's wanting to do it to be "special"(if he wanted that he would've done the V8 into a civic or something):rolleyes:

An SR or RB is also readily available,just requies more money...and if he can't afford to do the thing right,he shouldn't do it at all...

If he wants to be special,I got one for you...

Buy an '80's tercel/nova for like $150 that still runs....limp it home....and drop a big block in it....426 hemi,528 crate hemi,454 chevy,502 crate chevy...whatever you want !

Or how about getting a vanagon and dropping a GT3 driveline in it ?

There is too many nice options that are NISSAN MADE for this car to murder it by dropping an amercian V-8...hell,find an old Infiniti Q45/M45 in the junkyard,thats a V-8 ! VG30DET? VG35DE? SR20VE?CA18DET? Be the first to drop a QR25DE(t) in !

DSC

01-02-2004, 05:32 PM

I'm not as nice as ca18guy so check this out...

Ghettokracker71(and andrave too...sorry), your dumb, or atleast narrowminded....about as dumb and narrowminded as I was when I posted in this thread over a year ago. I'm not going to post any detailed information on anything relating to the topic because I know you won't listen anyway.

SleepySR

01-02-2004, 05:49 PM

how about a Q45 v8 or that new 5.6l v8 out of hte titan/armada

Ghettokracker71

01-02-2004, 08:07 PM

Originally posted by DSC
I'm not as nice as ca18guy so check this out...

Ghettokracker71(and andrave too...sorry), your dumb, or atleast narrowminded....about as dumb and narrowminded as I was when I posted in this thread over a year ago. I'm not going to post any detailed information on anything relating to the topic because I know you won't listen anyway.

Pray tell Mr. Phychiatrist what makes aperson dumb simply because they simply disagree with your opinion ?

Also pray tell,why I would be narrow minded simply because I don't like the idea of this swap ? How do you know I don't appreciate,and love,and maybe even have performed "crazy" swaps before ?

Wouldn't you thinking myself and andrave dumb make you the narrowminded person ?

"Internet arguments are like winning the special olympics, even if you win,you're still retarted."

Why also would you assume I wouldn't listen to what you have to say(type) ? Isn't that what forums are all about ?

I know that I am completely new to the RPS13,but I am not new to engine swaps....even ones with adifferent manufacter for the engine/trans than of the body of the vehicle being worked on.

A 240sx(as we all know) is a lightweight sports car,that (USDM Version anyway) is not very powerful,but has balls,and plants the turns really nicely,its made to have fun with...not to drop an oversized honker detriot V-8 in.And I understand that if somebody on this forum wants to do it they will definitely pay no mind to my opinion anyway.

Granted;everything I just said you will most likely pay no mind to,and "flame out" every sentence of mine saying I am an idiot.

:fruit::mrmeph::fawk:

Either way...to the person that started this thread: Good luck with whatever you do,just do it right !

DSC

01-02-2004, 08:44 PM

I'm not trying to pick appart anybodies posts.,..

Whether its a good idea or not, you don't really give any reasoning other than "its not nissan" which I feel is narrowminded.

I'm not saying a v8 is a good idea, or that its worth the effort, only that its an option that would turn out REALLY well if done right. Hell, i'd do it if I had time and money to have a project car. Why not limp a $150 s13 home and drop a v8 in it?

Stock ka swapped in for a stock 5.0 v8 would be a horrible idea because the weight penalty (and time/money) wouldn't be worth it, but a modded v8 matched with the right tranny choice can be quite light. With a proper suspension and some weight reduction you should be doing pretty good. All the same would go for the rb also, only they cost more and at the same time make more power stock.

but I'm not trying to say its a better or worse option than an RB or even a ka turbo...just that it shouldn't be dismissed so quickly because its a huge overweight piece of junk(unless it really is junk, heh) or not nissan.

Someone should modify the rsx engine for rwd and throw that in a 240 :) or drop an s2000 engine in or a 302 or an rb26 or a rotary....just depends on your goal. fastest car for the least money, fastest car with the most bling, fastest car for the least work, or just a good boost in performance w/out too much money, or...or...or...

*shrugs* I've just learned too much since I was saying the same thing as you guys, to read your posts and not say anything.

andrave

01-02-2004, 11:05 PM

you can measure someone's intelligence because their opinion on a matter of taste differs from yours?

You must have intense powers of microphallus.

:boink:

DSC

01-02-2004, 11:08 PM

Originally posted by andrave
you can measure someone's intelligence because their opinion on a matter of taste differs from yours?

You must have intense powers of microphallus.

:boink:

:bowdown: :mrmeph: :D

HiPSI

01-03-2004, 09:06 AM

"A 240sx(as we all know) is a lightweight sports car,that (USDM Version anyway) is not very powerful,but has balls,and plants the turns really nicely,its made to have fun with...not to drop an oversized honker detriot V-8 in.And I understand that if somebody on this forum wants to do it they will definitely pay no mind to my opinion anyway."

so every american made V8 is an oversized honker V8 huh? that's why most of them only weigh at most 100lbs more than a KA? sure he could do an RB, but the intial cost is much higher and what happens when you blow the engine or need parts? you WAIT, and WAIT, and WAIT. with a 302/350 you call up summit and have your stuff in 2 or 3 days at most for 1/10th the price of RB parts.

everyone keeps trying to offer "solutions" to what motor to swap, but none of them are realistic. go find a Q45 and pull the V8 out of it, hope you like an automatic and a 4" thick trunk of wiring to try to figure out. same for the Titan V8, that is IF you can even find one, let alone the price you'd pay for it. wiring up a 5.0L EFI system would take me a day at most, they're simple as hell compared to our beloved nissan engine management systems and you can get pre-made swap harnesses from companies like Painless wiring that make it so incredibly easy. as for the weight difference, that's nothing too bad, the center of gravity on a V8 would be lower than on an inline motor, and if placed correctly (as far back as possible) wouln't harm the weight distribution of the car much at all. nothing a pair of stiffer springs and maybe a new stiffer swaybar couldn't fix.

andrave

01-03-2004, 12:15 PM

even ford abandoned pushrods....
chevy 350 is the only one to hold on and as its applications dry up (bye bye camaro piece of shit) chevy is looking towards overhead cams for the next vette.

DSC

01-03-2004, 02:44 PM

pushrods allow for a more compact engine, weight lower, smaller heads which are all nice things but what are the disadvantages when compared to ohc? dohc v8's are HUGE, i'm sure they use them for a reason though...

Ghettokracker71

01-03-2004, 02:57 PM

Originally posted by HiPSI
"A 240sx(as we all know) is a lightweight sports car,that (USDM Version anyway) is not very powerful,but has balls,and plants the turns really nicely,its made to have fun with...not to drop an oversized honker detriot V-8 in.And I understand that if somebody on this forum wants to do it they will definitely pay no mind to my opinion anyway."

so every american made V8 is an oversized honker V8 huh? that's why most of them only weigh at most 100lbs more than a KA? sure he could do an RB, but the intial cost is much higher and what happens when you blow the engine or need parts? you WAIT, and WAIT, and WAIT. with a 302/350 you call up summit and have your stuff in 2 or 3 days at most for 1/10th the price of RB parts.

everyone keeps trying to offer "solutions" to what motor to swap, but none of them are realistic. go find a Q45 and pull the V8 out of it, hope you like an automatic and a 4" thick trunk of wiring to try to figure out. same for the Titan V8, that is IF you can even find one, let alone the price you'd pay for it. wiring up a 5.0L EFI system would take me a day at most, they're simple as hell compared to our beloved nissan engine management systems and you can get pre-made swap harnesses from companies like Painless wiring that make it so incredibly easy. as for the weight difference, that's nothing too bad, the center of gravity on a V8 would be lower than on an inline motor, and if placed correctly (as far back as possible) wouln't harm the weight distribution of the car much at all. nothing a pair of stiffer springs and maybe a new stiffer swaybar couldn't fix.

1.Show me where I said every american V-8

2.I never said anything about WEIGHT as apposed to initial size it takes up,and litre per HP/TQ out put

a 5.7 V-8 cubic inch engine making 210-310hp(stock carbed form) is terribly inefficient compared to a 3.5L V-6 that puts out 285hp,now isn't it ?

DSC

01-03-2004, 05:21 PM

Show me where I said every american V-8
Your statment made no provision for anything other than an "oversized honker detriot V-8". There are some SHITTY 4 and 6 cyl engines out there, why not compare those.

a 5.7 V-8 cubic inch engine making 210-310hp(stock carbed form) is terribly inefficient compared to a 3.5L V-6 that puts out 285hp,now isn't it ?

*shrugs* who cares? I certianly don't care who makes the most efficent engines...just the ones that can make the best power for the least amount of weight penalty. Thats what it is all about, hp vs weight not displacment since that has no effect on you...

Ghettokracker71, I just don't understand. Does nissan sponsor you? If not, why are you so against the possiblity of a swap outside nissan if it can make power and still be cheap and light weight. So what if the technology is 10000 years old, IF it goes fast I surely don't care who makes it or when it was made.

How do you feel about an rx7 or supra engine in a 240sx?

kazuo

01-03-2004, 07:13 PM

Enough of this Import vs Domestic bullshit...

Either talk about the subject at hand (putting V8s or similar into S-chassis) or shut the hell up.

Anyway, I think theres one chick (!) that posts here that put a small block 305 Chevy (I think thats what it was anyway) into her S13...

It wouldn't be the first either. It's been done before. Just use Google.

Good luck with the swap, I'd love to see more hybrid cars out there.. too many people let their idiotic, baseless bias get in the way.

Var

01-03-2004, 07:54 PM

I'd get a 302 block bare. Buy a 1500 dollar stroker kit.302-->347

Brodix aluminum heads. Cartech intake manifolds. Cartech single turbo "Thumper"kit w/T-88. and not to mention 1700 horses.

http://www.cartech.net/fordturbofxthp.htm

andrave

01-03-2004, 08:30 PM

do whatever makes you happy, its you that has to do the swap and you that has to drive it, if a v-8 burble makes you happy then by all means pursue it.

who the fuck are we to tell you what is cool or what isn't cool.

I don't think its really cool myself, but if you do then go for it, and fuck everyone else.

wootwoot

01-03-2004, 11:44 PM

personally i think its a terrible waste of a 240. arent these cars supposed to be more about handling than 1/4 mile times? ive seen it done to rx-7's multiple times and it made me want to cry for the poor things. it went completly against the design principal of that car, as would this be going against the principal of the 240.sell your 240 and get a camaro, trans am, or mustang if your heart aches for a v-8 so badly. no custom fabrication needed there.

RedlineRacer

01-04-2004, 12:37 AM

Why are you guys arguing over a thread that is over a year and a half old?

Var

01-04-2004, 03:59 AM

Originally posted by wootwoot
personally i think its a terrible waste of a 240. arent these cars supposed to be more about handling than 1/4 mile times? ive seen it done to rx-7's multiple times and it made me want to cry for the poor things. it went completly against the design principal of that car, as would this be going against the principal of the 240.sell your 240 and get a camaro, trans am, or mustang if your heart aches for a v-8 so badly. no custom fabrication needed there.

i kinda wish i had dragged out my s13 now cause it's good for it. For the turns i would have bought a car that really handles. like an ae86.

Ghettokracker71

01-04-2004, 01:24 PM

Originally posted by andrave
do whatever makes you happy, its you that has to do the swap and you that has to drive it, if a v-8 burble makes you happy then by all means pursue it.

who the fuck are we to tell you what is cool or what isn't cool.

I don't think its really cool myself, but if you do then go for it, and fuck everyone else.

Yeah,I'd definitely have to agree !

DSC->I'd much rather see an imported car stay with an imported drivetrain...and yes,that would include a 2JZ or 13B swap,just as much as I am not going to buy a chevelle and throw a Lexus 4.3 in it...

I know I'm an asshole at times...most of the time...so sorry !

:( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :( :bash:

S13Nismo

01-04-2004, 08:38 PM

OK, heres my idea for you:

Get a ford 302. One out of a Mustang LX/GT preferably. Use a shortened drive shaft to get to the Rear End. Just use the Nissan Rear End. Get the wiring, brakcets, cpu, etc.

Reasons to use the Ford 302:
1. HUGE AFTERMARKET
2. Cheap replacements
3. Slimmer block
4. Lighter Weight
5. Easier to tune (from few personal experiences)
6. FAST stock
7. Very cheap engine
8. Did I say HUGE AFTERMARKET

There is just so much you can do with a 302 than what you can do with a 350.

Bottom Line.
Ford 302,
cheaper,
faster,
better.

Ghettokracker71

01-05-2004, 01:08 PM

Originally posted by S13Nismo
OK, heres my idea for you:

Get a ford 302. One out of a Mustang LX/GT preferably. Use a shortened drive shaft to get to the Rear End. Just use the Nissan Rear End. Get the wiring, brakcets, cpu, etc.

Reasons to use the Ford 302:
1. HUGE AFTERMARKET
2. Cheap replacements
3. Slimmer block
4. Lighter Weight
5. Easier to tune (from few personal experiences)
6. FAST stock
7. Very cheap engine
8. Did I say HUGE AFTERMARKET

There is just so much you can do with a 302 than what you can do with a 350.

Bottom Line.
Ford 302,
cheaper,
faster,
better.

Cheaper? Yeah

Faster? Not stock VS stock

Better ? Depends...

I definitely agree,if you had to make this thing a V-8,the 302 would be the better choice