Gauging interest: Function Form Coilovers

[tunerzimage]

Does anyone have input/experience on these coilovers?

I have 4 sets coming and will be available for sale very soon, wanted to hear some reviews about these coilovers. Here is some specs and pics. Thanks for all your positive input!


-24-way dampening adjustable.
-Pillow Mounts w/ Adjustable Camber (front)
-0 to 120mm adjustable ride height. Adjustable at the spring perch, and shock body.
-6061 Aluminum construction with T6 for added strength.
-Forged and anodized for a superior long lasting finish.
-Optional Spring rates from 6kg/mm-24kg/mm available (add. cost).
-Adjustable for both compression and rebound.
-Mono-tube design.
-Ideal for ultimate street performance.


(as quoted from the f2 site)
http://www.f2autolife.com/storefront/images/s14.jpg


http://www.f2autolife.com/storefront/images/suspension%20bg.jpg
http://www.f2autolife.com/storefront/images/susp%20bg2.jpg
http://www.f2autolife.com/storefront/images/tool%20kit.jpg



I personally do not have any experience with these coils, although i have heard from a few credible sources that for being 8/6 coils, they ride very nice on the street. They look very similar in construction and design to the MEGAN RACING coilovers.


I have 4 sets coming and 1 used set for sale, please keep watch for my thread in the advertiser sections. Thanks everyone!

[k's_silvia2.0]

What any for the s13?How much for the used or new cash picked up?

[MomentumGT]

Anything compared to Mehgen as a positive sale point should throw up a red flag. But if they're dirt cheap...like real cheap why not for a starter set.

-Jon

[tunerzimage]

Prices will be posted later under the tread in the advertiser section.


This is just an interest gauging thread and by the vote so far, it doesn't look like people want these =/

[tunerzimage]

Anything compared to Mehgen as a positive sale point should throw up a red flag. But if they're dirt cheap...like real cheap why not for a starter set.

-Jon

Ive never had problems with anything megan, and if i do, they have great customer service.

[CylonFrakker]

Anything compared to Mehgen as a positive sale point should throw up a red flag. But if they're dirt cheap...like real cheap why not for a starter set.

-Jon


Why? Many people use Megans and they perform very well. So why not for the price they are offered?

[k's_silvia2.0]

Why? Many people use Megans and they perform very well. So why not for the price they are offered?

Well your on the eastcoast so thats why you say that.
Its different out here in the west.

[jonasblack]

My buddy has these on his S2K he has had no problem with them so far, He has had them for about 1 year now. they serve their purpose.

[tunerzimage]

Well your on the eastcoast so thats why you say that.
Its different out here in the west.


Hows so? Ive never had problems with megan stuff.

[CylonFrakker]

Well your on the eastcoast so thats why you say that.
Its different out here in the west.

I never thought about it that way. So what do you ride on? Maybe its the fact that all the expensive JDM stuff hit Cali first then gets filtered down to us here in the East. Good point though. However, I still Megan is a quality brand that many still use on their cars. I also know that quite a few people use other brands as well like D2 and K-Sport among others.

[S14DB]

Looks like another BC private label:
http://www.bcec.com.tw/

[k's_silvia2.0]

Hows so? Ive never had problems with megan stuff.
Ive seen too many bad first hand experiences with lots of their products.
Too many. + you hear some bad stuff too.My modo no megan on my car:) .
I never thought about it that way. So what do you ride on? Maybe its the fact that all the expensive JDM stuff hit Cali first then gets filtered down to us here in the East. Good point though. However, I still Megan is a quality brand that many still use on their cars. I also know that quite a few people use other brands as well like D2 and K-Sport among others.

That might be the case and I agree if your not "Mr.Racecar Driver" then yes those newer brands do the job well.I am currently on some Jic basic's:keke: there nice but there not what I want from a coilover I need more:bigok: .Thats why im looking around for something new.I might get K-Sport:coolugh: .

[MomentumGT]

Ive seen too many bad first hand experiences with lots of their products.
Too many. + you hear some bad stuff too.My modo no megan on my car:) .


That might be the case and I agree if your not "Mr.Racecar Driver" then yes those newer brands do the job well.I am currently on some Jic basic's:keke: there nice but there not what I want from a coilover I need more:bigok: .Thats why im looking around for something new.I might get K-Sport:coolugh: .

LUIS!!!! NO on the K-SPORT's! If you're going to go that route stay with Meghan...at least their customer service it good. Had a customer return his wing because it was scratched and scuffed and they returned it no questions asked. Can't say that for some of the 'TOP' jdm companies I have to deal with...run around is all I get at the warrenty department.

Pay now for quality products so you don't have to upgrade later even if you have to save more. Products that take checkered flags are always safe bets.

-Jon

[MomentumGT]

Why? Many people use Megans and they perform very well. So why not for the price they are offered?

You got numbers/results to prove that so called performance? For the price 'as a starter set' I will agree with you on that point.

-Jon

[k's_silvia2.0]

LUIS!!!! NO on the K-SPORT's! If you're going to go that route stay with Meghan...at least their customer service it good. Had a customer return his wing because it was scratched and scuffed and they returned it no questions asked. Can't say that for some of the 'TOP' jdm companies I have to deal with...run around is all I get at the warrenty department.

Pay now for quality products so you don't have to upgrade later even if you have to save more. Products that take checkered flags are always safe bets.

-Jon

Your word are wise but my pockets are broke:hsdance: .

[bwake 5]

ive heard wonderfull things about megan coilovers and suspension... by many credible drifters..... but thats about it, from the reviews i have got most people say that megan has a good suspension product and thats about it..... and maybe other parts that make no difference like downpipes

[k's_silvia2.0]

ive heard wonderfull things about megan coilovers and suspension... by many credible drifters..... but thats about it, from the reviews i have got most people say that megan has a good suspension product and thats about it..... and maybe other parts that make no difference like downpipes

Who are these so called "Cridible Drifters"?:coolugh:
Also how would them making horrible exhaust manifolds,turbo elbow's,downpipes make no difference?

[k's_silvia2.0]

Let's stay on topic sorry TI.

[tunerzimage]

Let's stay on topic sorry TI.


haha thanks luis.

Thanks for all the input guys, this is very helpful.

Anyone have the F2 coils on their car?

[MomentumGT]

From the poll you kind of got a half 'n half split. Brining those in might turn out beneficial for you after all. GL with your sale.

-Jon

[tunerzimage]

From the poll you kind of got a half 'n half split. Brining those in might turn out beneficial for you after all. GL with your sale.

-Jon


We will see what happens, i was just really hoping someone already had these on their car. I guess i might be testing these out on my car then. Thanks jon!

[k's_silvia2.0]

So whats the price on those used ones?

[tunerzimage]

PM or IM me luis.

[k's_silvia2.0]

PM sent.....

[tunerzimage]

Pics of the used coils for sale.

http://a369.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/72/l_d9bba7a2e5585fc3bab2c41429392690.jpg
http://a908.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/116/l_26b10a982f2266131dd2d212a7ef820b.jpg

[whitefro]

d2? oops i mean f2 sorry the keys are so close together.

[GSXRJJordan]

Where's the separate compression/rebound adjustment? That's the only thing that made me look at these...

The problem(s) with cheap coils, as I've said time and time again, is that there's really not much range of adjustment in the damping, and the compression and rebound curves only match for a small portion of the adjustment. This means that even though they're 100000way adjustable, theres a very small amount of that range that actually provides good damping. Most of the time, performance-wise, you're better off with a good spring/adjustable shock combo versus low-priced coilovers (even though the spring/shock combo doesn't provide height adjustment).

If these actually have separate compression and rebound adjustment, they'd be half way there to being good performance components. Until I see that, I'd have to recommend that people actually interested in handling (not just slamming their car and having a kidney-pounding ride) stick with GC/koni yellows or a similar setup.

I ride on 10/8 Tanabe Sustec Pro Sevens btw, before anyone asks.

[tunerzimage]

d2? oops i mean f2 sorry the keys are so close together.

HAHA.

Where's the separate compression/rebound adjustment? That's the only thing that made me look at these...

The problem(s) with cheap coils, as I've said time and time again, is that there's really not much range of adjustment in the damping, and the compression and rebound curves only match for a small portion of the adjustment. This means that even though they're 100000way adjustable, theres a very small amount of that range that actually provides good damping. Most of the time, performance-wise, you're better off with a good spring/adjustable shock combo versus low-priced coilovers (even though the spring/shock combo doesn't provide height adjustment).

If these actually have separate compression and rebound adjustment, they'd be half way there to being good performance components. Until I see that, I'd have to recommend that people actually interested in handling (not just slamming their car and having a kidney-pounding ride) stick with GC/koni yellows or a similar setup.

I ride on 10/8 Tanabe Sustec Pro Sevens btw, before anyone asks.

Thanks for this information. I didn't see where these stated they were separate rebound / compression for S-chassis cars?

As far as i know these are extremely similar in design to the D2's, megans, etc/\.

[240love]

i think my friend has these on his s13...

[k's_silvia2.0]

I know a couple of honda heads on these but they dont drive aggresive.
I can say they ride nice.

[tunerzimage]

Looks by the poll that people are not too fond of these coilovers. Ill see if i can grab a set and do some product testing and report back.

[hijack3d]

^^+1, they have acutally been around for quite a long time, but mostly popular with the Honda crowd.. and that's not necessarily a bad thing (Just because most people think of Honda owners as being dumbasses doesn't mean that most of them actually are or that the companies who cater to them are any less attractive quality-wise than companies who cater to Nissan enthusiasts) ...

Anyway, I personally know Preston, the owner of F2, and he's a very good guy. They have pretty good customer service, and being in Alhambra, they can deal with most of you guys (local) on a one-to-one basis (of course that is if to say Brandon can't help you out first :P You should always go threw the person you bought them from before the manufacturer).

But anywho.. they're very similar to Megans, and the ride is not too harsh for being 8kg/6kg. I believe you also have the option of having different spring rates or Swift springs installed (of course for an extra amount).

[tunerzimage]

^^+1, they have acutally been around for quite a long time, but mostly popular with the Honda crowd.. and that's not necessarily a bad thing (Just because most people think of Honda owners as being dumbasses doesn't mean that most of them actually are or that the companies who cater to them are any less attractive quality-wise than companies who cater to Nissan enthusiasts) ...

Anyway, I personally know Preston, the owner of F2, and he's a very good guy. They have pretty good customer service, and being in Alhambra, they can deal with most of you guys (local) on a one-to-one basis (of course that is if to say Brandon can't help you out first :P You should always go threw the person you bought them from before the manufacturer).

But anywho.. they're very similar to Megans, and the ride is not too harsh for being 8kg/6kg. I believe you also have the option of having different spring rates or Swift springs installed (of course for an extra amount).


Oh yeah, i almost forgot about the Swift Spring option! +1

Thanks for the input. ;)

[S14DB]

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=164195

[tunerzimage]

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=164195


Unfortunately, thats only a sale thread and no real customer reviews / info about it.

Thank you for the link though. =D

[KA24DESOneThree]

I would rather my car sit on jackstands not being driven than have those coilovers on it.

[veilside180sx]

I would rather my car sit on jackstands not being driven than have those coilovers on it.

I concur...message length

[Dousan_PG]

I would rather my car sit on jackstands not being driven than have those coilovers on it.

amen
i would be in the same boat

my next coilovers will be ZEAL

[S14DB]

Unfortunately, thats only a sale thread and no real customer reviews / info about it.

Thank you for the link though. =D

uh, the point is that you would be competing with another advertiser so why bother.

[tunerzimage]

uh, the point is that you would be competing with another advertiser so why bother.

Like the thread says, Gauging interest. Im curious to know what people think about these coilovers. Hybrid-Performance has Mishimoto Radiators for sale and so do we. I haven't heard any complaints.

[S14DB]

Yeah those radiators are selling like hotcakes. But, You can see how the coils are selling by the posts.

[GabeS14]

Are these in same price range as the Megan/D2 etc/????

[S14DB]

Should be as they are made by the same company.

[CylonFrakker]

You got numbers/results to prove that so called performance? For the price 'as a starter set' I will agree with you on that point.

-Jon

I guess I attribute the term "performance" in my post to the satisfaction that many people have had with Megan.

[Wiisass]

I guess I attribute the term "performance" in my post to the satisfaction that many people have had with Megan.

Well that's a poor assumption at best.

[veilside180sx]

Well that's a poor assumption at best.

i concur again....message length

[[w]hite[r]abbit[x]]

function and form coilovers are a great coilover system and they are cheap money wise.

They have good reviews on RS25.com
http://www.rs25.com/forums/showthread.php?t=64898&highlight=function+form+coilovers

[90KAcoupe]

if i had the money to buy coilovers right now i would buy them and let yall know how they feel.. honestly i wouldnt be able to give u a acurate report, since i havent driven my car since i stitch-welded, and braced all the suspension stuff. but if u wanna hook me up with a set... i'll definitly throw a sticker on my car or something:2f2f: :bigok: ...lol

[CylonFrakker]

Well that's a poor assumption at best.


Most definately would agree with you in most cases, however, the sheer success of the amount of coilovers that Megan has sold. Not considering the amount of satisfied customers who have repeatedly stated that they are the best bang for the buck. I can safely assume the success rate of the Megans would be just as high as the "other" name brand coilovers. I see it as a numbers game in the amount of coilovers sold compared to the satisfaction that many people have stated that the megans are great. Now compared to set of Tein, Tanabe, JIC, Stance, HKS, and Apexi the stigma behind the brand name may not be there due to a reputation that would precede the ones named above. As a consumer I believe that purchasing the right set of products for my car would require research and proper selection. Now in the case of Megan it was a no brainer because they are affordable, better than expected quality, great customer service, and the fact that they are a rebuildable right here in the USA with out long of a downtime. My car does get to step on the track every couple months due to time and location of tracks. So maybe I don't beat on them as hard as some of you guys would. In consideration of also daily driving and the occasional track event I can safely say that they have performed better than anticipated. I will not hesitate to purchase another set of Megans for my other cars if I choose to do so.

[veilside180sx]

The thing you are not taking into account is that your average "budget" coilover purchaser is typically switching from blown shocks and stock or lowering springs. When you go from something that is that terrible, even a set of AGX's would feel fabulous. With that in consideration that is definately not the person that I would like to get objective feedback from (as their basis to draw from is relative and limited).

Sales volume in and of itself proves nothing, other than that there are that many uninformed people in the world.

Most definately would agree with you in most cases, however, the sheer success of the amount of coilovers that Megan has sold. Not considering the amount of satisfied customers who have repeatedly stated that they are the best bang for the buck. I can safely assume the success rate of the Megans would be just as high as the "other" name brand coilovers. I see it as a numbers game in the amount of coilovers sold compared to the satisfaction that many people have stated that the megans are great. Now compared to set of Tein, Tanabe, JIC, Stance, HKS, and Apexi the stigma behind the brand name may not be there due to a reputation that would precede the ones named above. As a consumer I believe that purchasing the right set of products for my car would require research and proper selection. Now in the case of Megan it was a no brainer because they are affordable, better than expected quality, great customer service, and the fact that they are a rebuildable right here in the USA with out long of a downtime. My car does get to step on the track every couple months due to time and location of tracks. So maybe I don't beat on them as hard as some of you guys would. In consideration of also daily driving and the occasional track event I can safely say that they have performed better than anticipated. I will not hesitate to purchase another set of Megans for my other cars if I choose to do so.

[KA24DESOneThree]

The thing you are not taking into account is that your average "budget" coilover purchaser is typically switching from blown shocks and stock or lowering springs. When you go from something that is that terrible, even a set of AGX's would feel fabulous. With that in consideration that is definately not the person that I would like to get objective feedback from (as their basis to draw from is relative and limited).

Sales volume in and of itself proves nothing, other than that there are that many uninformed people in the world.

Agree 100% with the above statement.

Number of units sold doesn't mean anything. Number of races won, number of FTDs, etc... now that's how you gauge success.

Considering how many people wouldn't know quality if it had them bent over a sink, I think it's safe to say that Megan's number of units sold means nothing.

[CylonFrakker]

The thing you are not taking into account is that your average "budget" coilover purchaser is typically switching from blown shocks and stock or lowering springs. When you go from something that is that terrible, even a set of AGX's would feel fabulous. With that in consideration that is definately not the person that I would like to get objective feedback from (as their basis to draw from is relative and limited).

Sales volume in and of itself proves nothing, other than that there are that many uninformed people in the world.


True but how many people buy regular day to day products that are affordable compared to the somewhat exotic or higherend products. So I do belieive that sales volume has some sort of significant weight when it comes to product success. Consider that Megan sells more coilovers than anybody else. Now compared to the prices of of $1100+ for other brands the $850 Megans seem like a good deal. Enjuku has no problem using it on their drift cars neither does Milano Motorsports I am sure there are more competitors using Megan in semi or pro level competition.

[gotta240]

I need more:bigok: .Thats why im looking around for something new.I might get K-Sport:coolugh: .[/quote]

Did i really just read that?:down: :loco:

[veilside180sx]

Call Enjuku and ask them if they LIKE what they use on their drift cars. I've heard otherwise on quite a few occassions. That's part of the fun of playing with sponsors and running a business.

Aside from that...drifting is one of the worst test beds for a suspension setup, unless you are referring to breaking things. You could drift on welded tubes for suspension, but that doesn't mean that's the best way to go.

True but how many people buy regular day to day products that are affordable compared to the somewhat exotic or higherend products. So I do belieive that sales volume has some sort of significant weight when it comes to product success. Consider that Megan sells more coilovers than anybody else. Now compared to the prices of of $1100+ for other brands the $850 Megans seem like a good deal. Enjuku has no problem using it on their drift cars neither does Milano Motorsports I am sure there are more competitors using Megan in semi or pro level competition.

[CylonFrakker]

Aside from that...drifting is one of the worst test beds for a suspension setup, unless you are referring to breaking things. You could drift on welded tubes for suspension, but that doesn't mean that's the best way to go.

Then why bother buying suspension. It seems to me that you prefer one brand over another and I cannot persuade you into any other way.

[veilside180sx]

Then why bother buying suspension. It seems to me that you prefer one brand over another and I cannot persuade you into any other way.

That's where you are mistaken.

I like anything that is actually functional and maintains proper damping for the chassis and given spring rate. The issue with that, is there are very limited companies that actually pull it off. Koni, Penske, Ohlins, Moton and Bilstein are the long and short end of the list.

I have yet to see a JDM/Taiwanese/Korean manufacturer pull off anything close.

[tunerzimage]

Are these in same price range as the Megan/D2 etc/????



Yes they will be the same price range.


Thanks for all the input everyone i apreciate it!

[xamraci]

I run the TYPE 1s on my Daily S14 and ABSOLUTELY LOVE THEM. I have them on full stiff...cause well, thats how I like it. It isnt insane unless I get on concrete bridges on the interstate. I would reccomend these to anyone...the TYPE 2 is even nicer...

I have much love for Preston and The company

F2autolife is a good company with leader who has his head on his shoulders...

I cant say enough about these coilovers...dollar for dollar they are better than TIEN STREETS, TIEN BASICS, MEGANS, My old CUSCO ZERO 1s, MY OMNI TECHS(on my EH2), and my OMNI TECHS on my CD5, and in terms of PUSHING A CAR I have driven S14s with Tien HEs as well, and ridden several occasions on TIEN FLEX with EDFC and that would be one of the only rides I would lable superior under a FULL STIFF setting or any push of the button combination the driver was using while we drove. I ride full stiff so I cant speak for the PLUSHNESS of the comfort ride but I can speak for a quality product for a good price

ANYONE MAKING A DIRECT RELATION TO KSPORTS AND THESE COILOVERS...the VALVING IS FAR SUPERIOR...from the people who have ridden in my car and ridden on Ksports in an S chasis...they say the ride is far superior:bigok:

These coilovers also have a SWIFT SPRING OPTION with Custom Rates

www.f2autolife.com (http://www.f2autolife.com)

[KA24DESOneThree]

So the people who've ridden in your car, which is on full stiff, have ridden in other cars with Ksports on a similar setting and the same frequency from the tires' sidewalls as yours in order to give you a well-thought-out response from their professional posteriors?

If cheap coilovers are better than other cheap coilovers, doesn't that just make them the best of the cheap coilovers? That's like winning a roadkill cook-off.

[yudalicious]

I don't think this is any different from the slew of affordable coilovers out there, they'll probably make people who want coilovers at a really affordable price happy. I currently have the KTS/SPL, and my friend has the Stance, I'd put them both in the decent quality/price/support category too. We can talk about and read dampers characteristics all day on forums, but after experiencing Koni-shod cars on track extracting so much lateral grip out of street tires and soaking up small surface variations soo much better, we both have hopped on the Koni/Bilstein bandwagon. I personally don't think I'll settle for anything less than a Koni, Bilstein, or similar damper again for a performance car.

[xamraci]

So the people who've ridden in your car, which is on full stiff, have ridden in other cars with Ksports on a similar setting and the same frequency from the tires' sidewalls as yours in order to give you a well-thought-out response from their professional posteriors?

If cheap coilovers are better than other cheap coilovers, doesn't that just make them the best of the cheap coilovers? That's like winning a roadkill cook-off.


Yes, a different S chasis but similar tire and sidewalls...I would have to say so...both 17x8 17x9 setups with 225/45 and 215/45 tires his were BFGs and Mine are hankooks...I will have to call BFG and tell them that I will buy their tires when I get my JICs or my TIEN flexs for my STREET driven S14 since thats how everyone is reacting in ths INTEREST THREAD.

THEY ARE A GREAT STREETABLE COILOVER, I BELIEVE thats EVEN HOW FUNCTION AND FORM describes them...and YES, THEY ARE! For the Price they are GREAT and the customer service is LEAPS and bounds of the service I had had with larger companies in the same type of business.

I dont drift my car...I have fun in my car, it looks nice and it will see a track day and Drift day a few times once I get my bushings replaced and my LSD in there...for the time being I am really ENJOYING my car, I love the way it handles, I like the way it rides, the product was well packaged, the shipping was quick, and the customer support that I HAD DIRECTLY WITH THE OWNER OF THE COMPANY was FLAWLESS.

FOr someone like preston who sells as many coilovers as he does...YOU WILL NOT GET SERVICE LIKE THAT:bigok:

When I have time and money to build a TRACK specific car I will probably see what I like most on the TRACK and will weigh my options then...I like JICs (cant say I really like Tiens), and I have liked a few of the HKS setups I have ridden in, and really enjoyed a few of the older Sustec Systems and the more Recent...all mixed and matched from car to car...but for a STREET COILOVER I got a smokin price on these and they were BRAND NEW...that being said...Every SINGLE question I had was answered BY PRESTON HIMSELF. These might not be DRIFT GOD shit of the shit corn of corn coilovers...but for the price they are the top of the heap and they get that stamp because I know Preston and I know his HONDA customers and he is a great businessman and I was more than satisfied with the service and the product.

I am done jabbering now:hsdance:

End all Be all=Buy what you want, if you dont have 2k to throw at your Street Driven Daily on JICS or TIENS, OR HKS...get a set of F2AUTOLIFES, you will not be upset:hsdance:

[89singlecamnoob]

send me a free set and i'll be sure to do a product testing session and get back to you with my results :naughtyd:

[xplicit240]

i heard good things about the f2 coils. not bad. im running the greddy type s. these are good as well.

[tunerzimage]

Thanks guys! I have these now on sale !

[gripracer]

Never really had any real dealing with the shocks, but i did call in and order some camber plates and it was very frustrating.

I call in and ask if they are willing to sell the camber plates for a certain car to me, just the plates. The guy responds with, we don't sell camber plates. I was said aaa yes you do, he was quite and then said ooo ya, what car do you need them for. I told him, he then told me that said car didn't have camber plates (it wasn't a strut car) i said yes it does. He then pulled the phone away and shouted "do we have camber plates for XXXXXX and can we sell just them". He got the answer of yes and yes.

So i ordered a set, not with much confidence though. 3 weeks go by (he had told me 3 to 4 weeks) and i get them. I look at them and they will do the job. So because this is an endurance race car we needed a spare set. So i called back up and go the same guy. I thought that it would be painless since i talked to him just 3 weeks prior. Well i was mistaken, we went through the same thing as the first call. Said they didn't make the plates, then that they couldn't sell just them. I reminded him that i just ordered a set 3 weeks, and he had to ask some one else. He again shouted back and another set was ordered.

Both sets worked. But the quality wasn't that great and the difference between the two, they were different batches (i had to wait the 3 weeks for them to be made and shipped out) was pretty large.

We modified the sets because we didn't like the design but they were cheap enough that the main plate (the part we needed) would work.

I can't say i would feel to comfortable purchasing shocks from them.

A friend that works on a lot of street cars says that he has installed a few sets and people seem to really enjoy them, for a street car. He doesn't like them, nor would recommenced them for heavy track use though.

As far as the Meagan stuff, they started out 4 or 5 years ago selling cheap useless POS parts for hondas. All of there parts are made by some other company so maybe they have upped the quality, but i wouldn't put them on any car of mine.