ls1 240sx vs. sr20det 240sx

[foelg]

so i am in the middle of putting an ls1 into my 93 hatch, and my friend has a 92 hatch with a (supposed) 300 hp sr. his is stripped, and has a welded diff. do you think that he will be as fast as a 300 hp ls1 240?

[((sr)) kelly]

no.....................................

[dirtdiggler666]

lets see pics of your car??:ugh:

[((sr)) kelly]

who cares if you can beat him in the straigt... he will kill you through turns

[koukimonster139]

^ tell me why

cause sr makes you turn soo good

[downshift_sideways]

who cares if you can beat him in the straigt... he will kill you through turns
That was a great understatement. :keke:

[Ian]

LS1 weight difference isn't really that much


I think driveablilty might be a factor w/ lots of torque though

[burnsauto]

a car is only as fast as its driver.

[steve shadows]

the car is only as fast as the amount of semtex inside of it.

[foelg]

yeah, i dont really think that he would be able to run with me though. even with a 350 hp sr, i just dont see the torque or power curve to match. he does have me on weight, but with all of the torque, it shouldnt matter that much.

[((sr)) kelly]

its not really the weight... its the torque... ALL that NA hp that gets transfered to the wheels with just a punch of the throttle will send the light rear of the car sideways,..... seen it manyt times with the Lsx 240s



but ls1s do also cause some under steer

[foelg]

oh and pics, it shouldnt be done for another month or so, but i will be sure to post a thread about it :)

[tacotacotaco]

as long as you learn how to control that torque through the turns i dont see why not. Its all about the driver but the learning curve on the ls-1 might be a lil higher.

[((sr)) kelly]

yeah, i dont really think that he would be able to run with me though. even with a 350 hp sr, i just dont see the torque or power curve to match. he does have me on weight, but with all of the torque, it shouldnt matter that much.



a 350whp sr20 with a good driver would be a nice contender for a lsx 240

[motorsnail]

LS1> SR.................Anytime, Anywhere, Everyday.Thread is ova!!!

[((sr)) kelly]

as long as you learn how to control that torque through the turns i dont see why not. Its all about the driver but the learning curve on the ls-1 might be a lil higher.


it will be way higher......

[((sr)) kelly]

LS1> SR.................Anytime, Anywhere, Everyday.Thread is ova!!!



not really.. my car runs vettes all day;)



no match for the ls6... that thing is nasty!

[foelg]

yeah, it will be rather tricky. its my second 240, but my other one was (engine-wise) competely stock. hopefully by the time that the swap gets done i will have some wider tires, a lsd, and some coilovers. i am a little worried about driving it around the street, though. one sneeze and its sideways

[White Comet]

my brother is doing a 350 swap into his 91 camaro which is relatively light and not that much heavier than an s13 hatchback. i have an sr blacktop and when hes done swapping were gonna run each other and ill let u know how it went

[Touge_Monster]

drag racing is boring

[((sr)) kelly]

yeah, it will be rather tricky. its my second 240, but my other one was (engine-wise) competely stock. hopefully by the time that the swap gets done i will have some wider tires, a lsd, and some coilovers. i am a little worried about driving it around the street, though. one sneeze and its sideways


hahahahahahah,,, thats the truth!!!


but if i were you id invest in the s15 helical lsd... or a cusco system

[motorsnail]

not really.. my car runs vettes all day;)



no match for the ls6... that thing is nasty!

.................You are owning yourself.........350hp all motor will stick or beat a 4 cyl turbo that has like 450hp reason being your power is made from a turbo his power is made from displacment. This thread is stupid and shouldnt have been made clearly the people arguing about the SR being faster have never owned neither of the motors:loco:

[vvtisupra]

The ls1 isn't even that much heavier than the SR if any.

[motorsnail]

Well look at the facts SS runs like what 13? stock? thats with a heavy ass body and the motor choked up and hardly breathing.........silva s13 stock runs what low 14 mid 13 with mods? give or take some milla seconds?:duh:

[20 til 3]

lol

this thread is funny

everyone knows that if you race a ls1 240 and a sr20 240... the world comes to an end

so... you'd win, please dont street race

[EJ253]

i call BS

lets see pics of the swap

[motorsnail]

i call BS

lets see pics of the swap

Yes I will not beleive until I see him holding a cheeto bag and a sign that says LS1>sr20det

[Pank]

its not really the weight... its the torque... ALL that NA hp that gets transfered to the wheels with just a punch of the throttle will send the light rear of the car sideways,..... seen it manyt times with the Lsx 240s



but ls1s do also cause some under steer

do you drive your car by pinning the throttle to the ground everywhere you go?
a halfass competent driver in an LS1 240 driving against an equal peak hp sr20 240 will win every time. The ls1 makes the same torque (in this case, at least), but makes it for WAAAAAAY longer through the powerband.

[Suk02Si]

SR20DET - 149 kg 328 lbs (via FreshAlloy.com and Drifting.com)
LS1 - 195 kg 430 lbs (via LS1Tech.com)

[dirtdiggler666]

prove it with pics or i say lock it:eek:

[2ilvia]

ls1 will blow up halfway through the race and thats why he is cooler than you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC0n7wyRyUo
read description

[a_ahmed]

"Rice it like its hoooottt, rice it like its hoooottt, steam it like its in a pot ooooh"

http://www.claymoreengraving.co.uk/images/bigGANGSTA219.jpg

LS1 vs SR20DET after recess behind mcdonalds :ugh:

[Pank]

SR20DET - 149 kg 328 lbs (via FreshAlloy.com and Drifting.com)
LS1 - 195 kg 430 lbs (via LS1Tech.com)

..you posted the fully dressed weight of the ls1, vs the undressed SR?
acc'ed SR's weigh in on the order of ~390lbs, fully dressed LS1's around 430-450.

stock hp of sr20det= ~250hp
stock hp of ls1 (most out of c5 vettes these days) ~350hp


also, a KA weighs about as much as an LS1, so if installed correctly, and not hanging its ass off the front of the car, it will handle like a stock KA.

[mmdb]

its not really the weight... its the torque... ALL that NA hp that gets transfered to the wheels with just a punch of the throttle will send the light rear of the car sideways,..... seen it manyt times with the Lsx 240s



but ls1s do also cause some under steer

Really? Mine doesn't. It all depends on how you tune the suspension. Currently, I get a slight bit of oversteer with a light touch of the throttle. I could tune it out to give it more understeer to be a bit safer, but it's not my driving preference.

If you think about SR vs LS1, where would you like your power band? Ls1 could easily pull hard on corner exits, and it's no pig on the straight. SR might have a higher top end, but if you're road racing there's much benefit to have power down low. It all depends on what you're trying to do.

[Silverbullet]

+1 for stupid thread. LS1 pwnts SR20 in every aspect lol. The LS1 makes more power anywhere in the power band, other than where it can't rev as high as the SR20.

[mmdb]

hahahahahahah,,, thats the truth!!!


but if i were you id invest in the s15 helical lsd... or a cusco system

I'd recommend the s15 helical if you plan on going the safe, easy to daily drive in all conditions, and still be competitive on the track route. I previously had a 1.5 way LSD and that thing would step out of its way to kick out the rear end. For drifting it'd be great, but for the sake of putting the power down to the ground I'd go helical.

[2ilvia]

also, a KA weighs about as much as an LS1, so if installed correctly, and not hanging its ass off the front of the car, it will handle like a stock KA.

and it sits lower too i believe, which makes it handle BETTER.

the only thing i dont like about them is that its hard to get in there and work without busting a knuckle

[Pank]

and it sits lower too i believe, which makes it handle BETTER.

the only thing i dont like about them is that its hard to get in there and work without busting a knuckle

fucking seriously, i'd just sell the car when it came time to change the plugs.

[BustedS13]

so i am in the middle of putting an ls1 into my 93 hatch
no you're not

who cares if you can beat him in the straigt... he will kill you through turns
i doubt that

not really.. my car runs vettes all day;)
no it doesn't

.....

Reality Man, AWAAAYY!!!! *whoooosh*

[mrpeepers]

so i am in the middle of putting an ls1 into my 93 hatch, and my friend has a 92 hatch with a (supposed) 300 hp sr. his is stripped, and has a welded diff. do you think that he will be as fast as a 300 hp ls1 240?

NO. and search for that answer you will be better for it

[Mikey213]

Why do you guys invest so much into swappin a ls1 in a s13, why not just get a c4 vette it's cheaper. You could find them around 4-5gs...compared to a 9-10 swap? Plus it's better balanced than a lsx s13

[dvdevo]

why bother asking, TEH sr20 can nevar lose!

[BustedS13]

Why do you guys invest so much into swappin a ls1 in a s13, why not just get a c4 vette it's cheaper. You could find them around 4-5gs...compared to a 9-10 swap? Plus it's better balanced than a lsx s13

you could find an lt1 c4 vette for that much, maybe, if it's beat to shit.

edit: actually, the c4 never came with an ls series engine, ever.

[Suk02Si]

..you posted the fully dressed weight of the ls1, vs the undressed SR?
acc'ed SR's weigh in on the order of ~390lbs, fully dressed LS1's around 430-450.

stock hp of sr20det= ~250hp
stock hp of ls1 (most out of c5 vettes these days) ~350hp


also, a KA weighs about as much as an LS1, so if installed correctly, and not hanging its ass off the front of the car, it will handle like a stock KA.

I didn't specify what the difference was or state any opinions. All I did was search Google for some answers.

The rednecks posted that weight with no info and the ricers posted what they probably read in HondaTuning.

[dvdevo]

go do an ls1 swap.

[Kn1ves]

Why do you guys invest so much into swappin a ls1 in a s13, why not just get a c4 vette it's cheaper. You could find them around 4-5gs...compared to a 9-10 swap? Plus it's better balanced than a lsx s13

C4 vette around my area is going for approx 5.5k for a 1984 and all the way to 21k for a 1996

[BustedS13]

C4 vette around my area is going for approx 5.5k for a 1984 and all the way to 21k for a 1996

that 21k is gonna be for a zr1 or some other collector, immaculate condition c4.. you can pick up a c5 FRC for under 20...

that said, <5k for an lsx c4 is not only ridiculous based on price alone, but also impossible since they didn't come with them D:

[foelg]

im sorry that you dont believe that i am doing it, but i dont feel it necessary to prove it. we havent taken any pictures yet, and we are still trying to figure out how much of the oil pan we have to cut out to make it fit over the crossmember anyways. i told you i would make a thread about the swap when it is closer to done, at least. i just wanted some honest opinions on what you guys thought might happen. like i said, mine is close to stock right now, and his has a stripped interior. just wanted to know what some knowledgeable zilvians thought a stock ls1/240 had against an sr 240, and what i can expect to be able to claim pwnage on to other 240 enthusiasts, haha

[BustedS13]

im sorry that you dont believe that i am doing it, but i dont feel it necessary to prove it. we havent taken any pictures yet, and we are still trying to figure out how much of the oil pan we have to cut out to make it fit over the crossmember anyways. i told you i would make a thread about the swap when it is closer to done, at least. i just wanted some honest opinions on what you guys thought might happen. like i said, mine is close to stock right now, and his has a stripped interior. just wanted to know what some knowledgeable zilvians thought a stock ls1/240 had against an sr 240, and what i can expect to be able to claim pwnage on to other 240 enthusiasts, haha

you're 17. you're not doing it. shut the fuck up.

Go fuck your self and quit bashing on other people you are the reason why this forum sucks and has Dicks on it!

done and done.

[posdrift240]

WOW!!! You guys must have been born and dropped on your heads many many times. The Kid just asked a question and you guys are raping him about it with I want proof B.S!!!! Give him a dang chance to speak his mind....

As for the Ls1 Swap! +10 you will enjoy it alot, Screw the weight difference, WIth a set of coilovers you can adjust it and it will handle alot better than any damn Sr POS!!!

another thing is you can actually find cheap parts for a Ls1 motor vs and expensive sr. The Ls1 has a big aftermarket support and you can make a 1000Hp if you wish, about $10,000 cheaper than an Sr.

For whom ever says Drag is stupid, you obviously have never raced on a real track, nor have ever been in a high hp car, Its not just hold it in a straight line and bang the gears, it takes a hell of a driver to be a good drag racer, Drift is fun too, I do both by the way, Drift takes more driving functions than drag, You gotta be able to multi task while drifting.

Point being Don't Call this guy out without finding out what he has and give him the benifit of the doubt, Other wise thats how most of you on here get your ass handed too you!!

I personally say congrats on the swap!! at least its not another SR OMG I got the motor in and I cant get it to run B.S!!!!

LSX are badass!! If I had it to do over again for the money I have in the Rb I own I would have a 383 blown alcohal motor settin in my s13!!

[Folken]

lol doesn't the ka42de weight like same as the ls1 or close to it... i'm sure ALL that extra weight fucks your ability to steer

[Farzam]

LSx will demolish.

Better powerband...better throttle response...and it just straight up sounds intimidating.

[SimpleSexy180]

uhh no drag fails.

[Size]

GT2871r 20psi, tomei 2.2 genisis sr, 274 cams, arp, metal headgasket, proper tune, z32 tranny, 2 way tomei mechanical diff,

simply put a destroyer


if you want LS1, go buy a dumb as J body., stop waisting the "NISMO CLUBS time"

either your down with the nismo shit, or your not!

[VROOOM]

GT2871r 20psi, tomei 2.2 genisis sr, 274 cams, arp, metal headgasket, proper tune, z32 tranny, 2 way tomei mechanical diff,

simply put a destroyer

if you want LS1, go buy a dumb as J body., stop waisting the "NISMO CLUBS time"

either your down with the nismo shit, or your not!

lol, this is funny

NISMO CLUBS!!!

[Fat Felix]

whats ls1/ls6/lsx again? is that the same as ls/vtec?

forget ls/vtec, it's all about b20vtec.

veeeeeeeeetacccccccccccccccccccccccccccck, beeeeyotch!

[BustedS13]

GT2871r 20psi, tomei 2.2 genisis sr, 274 cams, arp, metal headgasket, proper tune, z32 tranny, 2 way tomei mechanical diff,

simply put a destroyer


if you want LS1, go buy a dumb as J body., stop waisting the "NISMO CLUBS time"

either your down with the nismo shit, or your not!

i may own the same car as you, but you are gay.

whats ls1/ls6/lsx again? is that the same as ls/vtec?

forget ls/vtec, it's all about b20vtec.

veeeeeeeeetacccccccccccccccccccccccccccck, beeeeyotch!

my acura is sohc so it only has one vtak... my friend with a praylood has dohc so he's got twice the vtak, so he goes twice as fast

[posdrift240]

GT2871r 20psi, tomei 2.2 genisis sr, 274 cams, arp, metal headgasket, proper tune, z32 tranny, 2 way tomei mechanical diff,

simply put a destroyer

if you want LS1, go buy a dumb as J body., stop waisting the "NISMO CLUBS time"

either your down with the nismo shit, or your not!

Your not going to destroy much with a Gt28! with that turbo you might put down 400-450 Horses. Which in a LS1 setup, A set of alumium heads 54cc chambers, Good cam combo, Your already covered for the price of the turbo.

and thats on stock internals.

You wanna talk big power quote me a 1000HP setup sr?

A 1000Hp Ls1 consist of about 15 grand!

Price to price LS1 will win everytime.

Sorry man I been there done that! I have built the best of both worlds.

[smelly240]

wow - if u dont have ^^^ that setup - you must not be cool...
I should listen to you more often.

[motorsnail]

HOLY SHIT!!! FUUUUUUUUCK!!! THIS BETTER BE THE PUFDADDY VERSION NOT THAT PIECE OF SHIT STING SHIT!! FUUUCK!!:fawk2:

[Size]

yeah it is funny, considering you could also slap in an rb26, 2jZ into an s13 with all the nick nacks and would kill anything.

[posdrift240]

ls1 240sx vs. sr20det... (http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?p=1660716#post1660716)11-20-2007 02:03 PMyou're stupid.


Prove me wrong!!!!

[BustedS13]

Bench Racers, ASSEMBLE!

[posdrift240]

yeah it is funny, considering you could also slap in an rb26, 2jZ into an s13 with all the nick nacks and would kill anything.


Again have you priced a 2jz or an Rb26 swap with the mods to support the power? Your looking into the 20 grand range again!

The cheapest most effecient swap is the LS1!

Guys im a hard core 240 fan but lets be men here and not act retarded!

You know as well as I do your not going to build any of these motors cheaper!

[burnsauto]

yeah...this thread is pretty pointless. (lock?) you might as well start the arguement of what engine is the best....there's no right or wrong answer.

[motorsnail]

HOLY SHIT!!! FUUUUUUUUCK!!! THIS BETTER BE THE PUFDADDY VERSION NOT THAT PIECE OF SHIT STING SHIT!! FUUUCK!!:fawk2:

Just incase nobody see's this your gay....Because this thread has bad torrets.......And it needs to be stickyed because if you havent looked at it you need to be banned because your gay........Thread/

[posdrift240]

See Everytime you guys wanna debate you gotta go get all chicken and run and hide! be men and talk about it instead of locking the threads!! It will only come up again

[SimpleSexy180]

WE ARE IN AMERICAZ WITH JAPANESE CARS.

OMG AMERICANZ ENGIne inside mah engine bay. sad face.

[Size]

this is better than Disney on ICE!!!!!

you know whats funny about any North american built engine, YOU RUN OUT OF GAS BEFORE YOU EVEN GET TO GO ANYWHERE.


if you want to be cheap and worried about money into your car, forget a swap and GO TAKE THE BUS.

[motorsnail]

See Everytime you guys wanna debate you gotta go get all chicken and run and hide! be men and talk about it instead of locking the threads!! It will only come up again

You home.........This thread is / did you see the "/"........

/ = OVA!!

[BustedS13]

this is better than Disney on ICE!!!!!

you know whats funny about any North american built engine, YOU RUN OUT OF GAS BEFORE YOU EVEN GET TO GO ANYWHERE.


if you want to be cheap and worried about money into your car, forget a swap and GO TAKE THE BUS.

ls1 6mt's are rated at like 28mpg.

[VROOOM]

this is better than Disney on ICE!!!!!

you know whats funny about any North american built engine, YOU RUN OUT OF GAS BEFORE YOU EVEN GET TO GO ANYWHERE.


i bet a c6 vette gets better gas mileage than you 240sx

[motorsnail]

i bet a c6 vette gets better gas mileage than you 240sx

Hiss airwalks dont need gas:hahano:

[Size]

your probably right, your also comparing apples to oranges too

and ending up with bananas ......

[motorsnail]

your probably right, your also comparing apples to oranges too

and ending up with bananas ......

Dont bring fruit into this.......this is between ls1 and sr20det..

[VROOOM]

your probably right, your also comparing apples to oranges too

and ending up with bananas ......
do you actually read what you type??

[foelg]

wow, this has gotten waay off topic. thanks to those who actually contributed to this thread, and even though people call bs all over the place, i think it is a reasonable thread indeed. so far the swap has cost less than 6000, and i dont think that it will get more than that. if you think about it, thats any sr with any sort of work into it; generally sr builds that hit 400 hp cost way more than that. with custom exhaust and a few more minor and cheap bolt ons, an ls1 can do that WITH torque. and reliability.

[BustedS13]

can somebody please lock this and drop the banhammer just a little?

[motorsnail]

can somebody please lock this and drop the banhammer just a little?

I can see that speach above you hurt your stomach aswell:tweak: He should run for president or not........

[foelg]

just quit posting on it then. what does it hurt you?

[posdrift240]

can somebody please lock this and drop the banhammer just a little?


A perfect example of another govener putting his head between his legs and running!!!!

6000$ is about right for a nice swap! plus to upgrade that motor for alot more power will cost you about 1500$ more and you will see easily 400-450 at the wheels.

I put $15,000 in my RB swap and it is good for 750HP. and I need another 2,000 to get it to achive that goal! Its rediculious. Jap parts are nicely built, Don't get me wrong they will hold up, But you pay 3 times the normal price for them, Prime example, Valve seals, V8 American, 23$ for a set jap set for my RB 75$!!! A set of forged pistons for a v8 around 350$ A set for my Rb 750$ and thats the cheaper Weisco set.

A 383 stroker kit for the LS1 I can buy with all forged internals for 1200$
that includes Forged crank, Rods, Pistons, Bearings, and gaskets. With machine work included I can build a 500+ N/A 383 stroker motor for 5000$ Thats the price of a Rb swap, or a SR swap thats good for 400HP.

Now you want more power, Well lets add a turbo to the setup, and we could push well over 1200HP with less than 12,000 in the setup.

So lets make power guys, Lets see some numbers and stop talking B.S!:aw:

[BustedS13]

Lets see some numbers and stop talking B.S!:aw:

you realize how incredibly ridiculous you sound, don't you? let's see some proof of this fifteen thousand dollar, 750hp monster YOU made.

[motorsnail]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MY5b2XT5h5c

[S13Leprechaun]

hahaha... wow you guys are a bunch of whiny bitches... this forum needs a bitch section so all you people bitching about the most pointless shit, can bitch there!

or maybe there should just be no bitching. AT ALL! :rofl:

EDIT: FUCK THAT VIDEO IS GREAT! HAHAHA... "there's ladies everywhere, dunbass!" :rofl:

[Pank]

yeah it is funny, considering you could also slap in an rb26, 2jZ into an s13 with all the nick nacks and would kill anything.

it would kill EVERYTHING?
EVER?

HOLY SHIT

[eastcoastS14]

GT2871r 20psi, tomei 2.2 genisis sr, 274 cams, arp, metal headgasket, proper tune, z32 tranny, 2 way tomei mechanical diff,

simply put a destroyer


if you want LS1, go buy a dumb as J body., stop waisting the "NISMO CLUBS time"

either your down with the nismo shit, or your not!

I lol'ed at this post.....tomei 2.2 SR lol why not...not like its expensive or anything

[Devil Man]

..you posted the fully dressed weight of the ls1, vs the undressed SR?
acc'ed SR's weigh in on the order of ~390lbs, fully dressed LS1's around 430-450.

stock hp of sr20det= ~250hp
stock hp of ls1 (most out of c5 vettes these days) ~350hp


also, a KA weighs about as much as an LS1, so if installed correctly, and not hanging its ass off the front of the car, it will handle like a stock KA.

i do belive that this is incorect as the ls1 is lighter then the KA. it was here in zilvia i belive that both motors and trannys were wieghted.

[motorsnail]

it would kill EVERYTHING?
EVER?

HOLY SHIT
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rqtr_RvR3sY

BOB SAGET!!!

[S13Leprechaun]

y did you post 2 videos? theyre almost the same but ones longer with a few other shit.. one vid was funny.. :/

[posdrift240]

SO instead of numbers I see Retarded Vids? Were is the public embarrasment section on here?

[DALAZ_68]

my question on this LS1 swap is whats the effect on overhang and weight distribution interuption in general...especially since theres weight difference between coupes and hatch s13 dues to the hatch glass...

any input on this... pos and neg ???

[Devil Man]

i didnt relize where the thread had gone to when i posted earlier

[Pank]

my question on this LS1 swap is whats the effect on overhang and weight distribution interuption in general...especially since theres weight difference between coupes and hatch s13 dues to the hatch glass...

any input on this... pos and neg ???

weight difference is basically negligible between KA and LS1. LS1 will probably have to be mounted lower. They're about the same length, the LS1 is just wider. lower (barely) roll center in the front

[motorsnail]

y did you post 2 videos? theyre almost the same but ones longer with a few other shit.. one vid was funny.. :/

Why is everyone repeating them selves I figured I would do it in a way they where just more disfunctional to look at........Other then that glad you enjoyed it.......

[kaotic]

i may own the same car as you, but you are gay.

LMFAO
/msglgth

[whitefro]

best thread evar! IBTL

[nevaland9]

isnt the LS1 lighter than the KA by A lot?
my sr will hang with a new z06 till about 115ish before i start getting walked and the fact that my car is a non aerodynamic box comes into play.

on a track of course:coolugh:

why ask if youll beat him, no faith. build it, race him and if you loose built it faster, the bolt ons for those motors do wonders with a tune on those factory standalones...lucky bastards.
if not sell the swap and go back to the cost effective, fuel saving 4 banger before gas hits $4

[BustedS13]

isnt the LS1 lighter than the KA by A lot?
my sr will hang with a new z06 till about 115ish before i start getting walked and the fact that my car is a non aerodynamic box comes into play.

on a track of course:coolugh:

why ask if youll beat him, no faith. build it, race him and if you loose built it faster, the bolt ons for those motors do wonders with a tune on those factory standalones...lucky bastards.
if not sell the swap and go back to the cost effective, fuel saving 4 banger before gas hits $4

...your sr puts down like 500 horsepower and similar torque? your 240 runs 12 flat? cmon.

edit: okay that's believable. but i want pics :d

[posdrift240]

isnt the LS1 lighter than the KA by A lot?
my sr will hang with a new z06 till about 115ish before i start getting walked and the fact that my car is a non aerodynamic box comes into play.

on a track of course:coolugh:

why ask if youll beat him, no faith. build it, race him and if you loose built it faster, the bolt ons for those motors do wonders with a tune on those factory standalones...lucky bastards.
if not sell the swap and go back to the cost effective, fuel saving 4 banger before gas hits $4

The Ls1 is prob not as light as the KA Due to it being a cast block, But just as an example: Summit sells a 427 aluminum block 10:1 compression complete aluminum 64cc heads, 1050cfm carburetor that makes 550Hp out of the box and weighs 355lbs complete. SO you tell me what will be lighter, With a converter and trans installed your not going to be over 500lbs complete, My Rb weighs close to 900lbs!!! Thats 400lbs I could throw away, Thats about .4 tenths of a second cut. If your seriously going for performance LSx swap is the way to go, If you going for Just daily cheap fun, Sr is the way to go. But you will never beat the rumble of a v8!!

[Kn1ves]

The Ls1 is prob not as light as the KA Due to it being a cast block, But just as an example: Summit sells a 427 aluminum block 10:1 compression complete aluminum 64cc heads, 1050cfm carburetor that makes 550Hp out of the box and weighs 355lbs complete. SO you tell me what will be lighter, With a converter and trans installed your not going to be over 500lbs complete, My Rb weighs close to 900lbs!!! Thats 400lbs I could throw away, Thats about .4 tenths of a second cut. If your seriously going for performance LSx swap is the way to go, If you going for Just daily cheap fun, Sr is the way to go. But you will never beat the rumble of a v8!!


Stop and end yourself right there. Its an aluminum block. Argument over.

[bloodangels13]

ls1 will blow up halfway through the race and thats why he is cooler than you

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bC0n7wyRyUo
read description

damn thats old! thats my buddy wes with his old s13.... gt35r self/street tuned on powerFC and other supporting mods... the reason the zo6 pulls on him at the end is bc he had no 5th gear ... leat alone reverse
its all prefrence to me... im finishing up on a ls1 s5 FC that will be making around the low 400hp range when done next week but i love my sr...

[fliprayzin240sx]

Top end gearing on the LS will take the SR out...Off the line will depend on the drivers and condition, could go either way.

[koukimonster139]

cool 3 pages of garbage bullshit i havent read. wheres the pics of your swap

[PoorMans180SX]

Just to let you know, the Corvette most likely (as in the GT40 and Viper) tops out at maximum speed in fifth gear. Sixth is just a massively overdriven top gear for gas mileage reasons.

I still thinking asking the question of who will win is kinda dumb, as it depends on too many variables. Your 300hp LS1 swap will be fast...Your friends 300whp (if it does have it) SR is fast. Race them when you get them done.

[Size]

screw the swap that video is to funny,
I fell over at the very first line the torrets guy said. I had no chance!
Havn't laughed like that in years ,. thanks!!!:bigok: :rofl: :rofl: :rofl:

[nissan240sxkid]

way longer Ls1 make over 300 ft lb off idle and a friend of mine has a Ls1 in rx and u might need a 400 hp 240sx to catch it

[SimpleS14]

I'm surprised this thread is already on four pages.

Although they are key factors, there is more to it than weight and powertrain that determines which car is "faster". Random thought...but not too off-topic...

[Neejay]

I'm surprised this thread is already on four pages.

Although they are key factors, there is more to it than weight and powertrain that determines which car is "faster". Random thought...but not too off-topic...+1

Maybe he meant IF they were *equal* drivers (hypothetically)?

[300hp owen]

oh god.
LS1 hands down.
T56 gearing and monster torque from down low give the LS1 a jump start on every race.
every kind of race too.
you'd have to own a mega dollar finely tuned precision built SR20 to keep even or beat an LS1 car setup the same way as yours (susp./wheels/brakes/etc)

the weight gain on an LS1 swap is so minimal, people get all freaked out about 100 pounds here or the change in handling, blah blah blah, with a proper set of coilovers it can all be dialed into perfection in one corner weighing session.

done deal.
LS1 for sure.

[nissan240sxkid]

first if your going to spend the money on the Ls1 and what you need to do the swap u should of put headers on changed to a GM performance heads and a cam or your realy just wasting time its such a tight fit that to work on it u almost have to pull the motor out. If you just put the motor in with no suspention work or changing spring rates and deal with a regearing the lsd to make use of the power or torque I should say your going to have at best a 13 second car. Would be cheaper to make sr faster.

[300hp owen]

cool 3 pages of garbage bullshit i havent read. wheres the pics of your swap

EXACTLY...... rofl...

[okis14]

I'll provide a little insight for the KA vs LS1 weight issue.

I've had a KA-T for two years (I've had and still have a SR S14) and just drove my LS1 a few days ago at a track.
My suspension was not changed to accomodate the LS1. I got a little understeer and the front end felt lighter. I wish I weighed my car before and after the swap because this is all using my ass scale.

During a transition my car does feel a little different like it pivots from the firewall instead of the front tires. I'm can only assume that it is due to the heavy ass transmission. Nothing some suspension tweaking can't help plus I can get used to it.


My only regret is that I didn't go with the LS1 two years ago.
Do the LS1 regardless of you trying to beat your SR buddy (Too many variables involved to say which one is faster if they have similiar power.) You're going to love it.

My dyno charts:
http://www.d-rated.com/Photo/Details.aspx?AlbumID=1&Page=1
Photoshoped of the above chart to make it easier to read.
http://www.d-rated.com/Photo/Details.aspx?AlbumID=1&Page=2
Link to my buildup
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=796647



http://www.d-rated.com for pics

[nissan240sxkid]

a new zo6 runs 11.8 out of the box you need a similar around 500hp to match that in an sr but it even only has a chance in mid range because z06 pulls on the low end and geared to go faster on the top end..... But I do agree if you setup the car and make the most out of the power you can that a V8 in a 240 is fast.

[motorsnail]

:rawk: msglnhgthssd

[Psycho 240 Freak]

Most likely scenario. LS1 by far has a better power curve, but.....

Race starts, LS1 lights up his 225 tires with the massive torque. SR jumps out and by the time LS1 regains traction, LS1 is too far behind to catch up.

[nissan240sxkid]

225 I have 275 in my fenders well they are rolled a bit...I hope that their is enough money felt over in the project for something bigger than 225 thats a must or hes 100% right

[burningsquirrels]

uh oh... hope i don't get held up to the fire... but just chiming in with my .02 cents. you can thank dapcwiz for the intrusion :p

stock, my '01 ls1 z28 is "rated" at 305 but LS1s made anywhere between 320 -> 345+. starting in 1997 and up there were changed almost every year. 99-00 saw a few minor changes (i forget what, other than the switch to centerbolt valve covers)... then in 2001-02, they used the larger LS6 ybody intake manifold, a truck cam to improve low end torque (because of the larger intake manifold), and improved exhaust manifolds for more power. however, the rating stayed at 305 in all years for the fbody. at the end of f-body production in 2002, GM threw in LS6s anyways into f-bodies and some people left the dealership with a 'frankenstein' LS6 motor that made closer to 400hp. some had the six bolt main LS6 block, some had the LS6 top end, some had both. i don't totally know what the deal was, more info is out there with google. the official white paper for the LS1 was "345 hp" in the crate form. in the ybody it was rated at 350hp, in the fbody 305-320, supposedly due to the single intermediate pipe.

http://www.fbody.com/cgi-bin/ls1/read.cgi?msgid=77277

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y37/kungfuteabag/Dyno.jpg

^^^ The above image is from a guy's stock '98 LS1, without the LS6 intake, without 01-02 improved manifolds, and without the truck cam.

for mileage, i bought my z in NJ and drove it down to ATL last november. at 70 mph, i turned about 1800 rpm and got 28.5 mpg. at 85mph and just over 2000 rpm, i lost some mpg because i had to keep slowing down and accelerating on the two lane interstates from slower drivers but still made about 27 mpg. in all city driving going from home to the commuter bus stop flooring it a few times each way i get about 20 mpg. mixed hwy/city i get about 23 if i drive downtown a couple times a week.

with a K&N air filter, airbox lid, and a mild catback i ran 13.8 @ 104.5mph at commerce with pretty sad traction. i don't intend to try to get any better since it's my dd and i have a different project to work on.

some people invest about a grand (with supplies included) towards a cam swap... cam, springs, pushrods, and gaskets. with the 01-02 manifolds(darn near free), and an LS1 with trans running about 2500-3000 used,you could have 400 or more hp for about 4 grand. now to shoehorn it into a 240, i'm still not sure what other costs would go into the swap other than the parts. i haven't researched it much at all.

as for weight, everyone i talk to says the bare engine from throttle body and intake to oil pan is less than 400 pounds. the cam-in-block design has a lower center of gravity than if it was to be made with overhead cams.

now, i always thought an LS1 into 240 swap would be a fun project one day when i finished my drag car. if i look at my camaro, it's a damned heavy car at 3650 lbs w/out driver. i've been mulling the idea of getting a 240 (s13?). i think it'd be perfect, since it weighs what,2400 lbs? i can't imagine what removing 1250 lbs from my car would be like, and taking the engine and putting a new cam in. if i run 13.8 @104.5 now, i want to see how it runs and drives in a car weighing 1/3rd less with a bigger cam and better exhaust!

as for the guy swapping in the LS1 into his 240, let us know how it goes. i'm interested to see how it turns out! i would like to see also how the motor is mounted in the car, and how the trans linkage works out in pics if you ever get them.

overall i hope i didn't intrude too much, and that you like my first post. just thought i'd chime in as an ls1 guy who likes 240s :bigok:

[!Zar!]

What's the point of this thread...

[motorsnail]

This thread should be stickied and archived for further investigation....I think its has bird flu

[Neejay]

http://www.d-rated.com for pics"Server Error in '/' Application."

[xplicit240]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=JDzomql1wEE

thats pretty crazy.

[mmdb]

To whom that're interested in the LS1->s13/s14 swap go to LS1tech.com and check out the hybrid section. There you can find those who have done the ls1 swap into an s13 or s14.

[PXRdriFT]

Most likely scenario. LS1 by far has a better power curve, but.....

Race starts, LS1 lights up his 225 tires with the massive torque. SR jumps out and by the time LS1 regains traction, LS1 is too far behind to catch up.

Actually, my friend ran his LS1 powered 240sx with 225s on his 18s. He did spin through the top of third without an LSD and ran a [email protected] mph. He only ran those tires cause it was what he had at the time but it will take some work on that SR's part to beat the 12.77.

[PXRdriFT]

first if your going to spend the money on the Ls1 and what you need to do the swap u should of put headers on changed to a GM performance heads and a cam or your realy just wasting time its such a tight fit that to work on it u almost have to pull the motor out. If you just put the motor in with no suspention work or changing spring rates and deal with a regearing the lsd to make use of the power or torque I should say your going to have at best a 13 second car. Would be cheaper to make sr faster.

I don't have anything but the stock headers, stock head, and stock cam. I dyno'ed at 307hp and 314 tq stock. With a few minor mods (new tune, tb porting) I should make another 15-20. With this setup, I'm definitely better than a 13 sec car. I will agree with you that installing a cam will be some work but it won't require me to pull the motor.

[White Comet]

Actually, my friend ran his LS1 powered 240sx with 225s on his 18s. He did spin through the top of third without an LSD and ran a [email protected] mph. He only ran those tires cause it was what he had at the time but it will take some work on that SR's part to beat the 12.77.
my friend ran a 12.8 w/ stock turbo at 15 psi. its not as hard as u think. and i would def put the widest tires u can on an ls swapped s13. my wheels are like 215 right now and i spun through 4th yesterday

[EJ253]

this topic has been beat to death...
lock it up, theres no need to waste more bandwidth, we already use enough
just my .02

[White Comet]

perhaps but i just find a lot of misinformation when ppl say it takes a lot for the sr to do this or get this much power or whatever. my friend has a stock turbo still and ran 12.8 and dynoed at 277 hp and i have the dyno sheets to prove it

[motorsnail]

perhaps but i just find a lot of misinformation when ppl say it takes a lot for the sr to do this or get this much power or whatever. my friend has a stock turbo still and ran 12.8 and dynoed at 277 hp and i have the dyno sheets to prove it

Well even after he ordered that motor bought all the shit to get it running the LS1 in anything even a 3500 pound car still pulls him? Explanation? Dont compare 4cyl to 8cyl you will just be disapointed ok ok maybe you beat some kids 5.0 that was an idiot......But what happens when you give someone that knows what their doing with 8cyl its over LS1>sr20det ownage threads over go prove me wrong all you want but you cant because LS1>sr20det 10-4 thread/

[White Comet]

^ i'm not sure entirely what ur asking. hes never raced an lsx anything and he paid $5k for the car already swapped and is modding it more now. so he really didnt spend much doing all that work

[PoorMans180SX]

Let this thread DIE!

[posdrift240]

[Quote]ls1 240sx vs. sr20det... 11-21-2007 01:45 PM you dont know anything. you like men. [Quote] This is like a 2 year old comment!! Grow up people! Sorry for my mis-information earlier when I said the Ls1 was a cast block, I was thinking of the Lt1. But anyways man you have started the engine swap sounds like you are almost done with it! Good luck and be sure to email me some pics when your done. Ill be interested in seeing it even tho these whiny shit heads on here wanna rape your case about everything! You tell me this isnt a clean swap? http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee40/rb25drag/PurpleDemon.jpg

[motorsnail]

[quote]ls1 240sx vs. sr20det... 11-21-2007 01:45 PM you dont know anything. you like men. [quote]

Oh snap who did it? Who ended his life with a homo comment? You are wack foo........

[chitosdr]

Actually, my friend ran his LS1 powered 240sx with 225s on his 18s. He did spin through the top of third without an LSD and ran a [email protected] mph. He only ran those tires cause it was what he had at the time but it will take some work on that SR's part to beat the 12.77.


You forgot to mention this was in complete street trim. Full interior, amp, sub box, tools, spare tire, jack, full tank and stock tire pressure. I could easily pull 200-250 lbs out and put drag radials on and hit low 12s high 11s. Stock LS1.

[nissan240sxkid]

I don't have anything but the stock headers, stock head, and stock cam. I dyno'ed at 307hp and 314 tq stock. With a few minor mods (new tune, tb porting) I should make another 15-20. With this setup, I'm definitely better than a 13 sec car. I will agree with you that installing a cam will be some work but it won't require me to pull the motor.

Ur right I was going off a buddies ls swap in his RX7

[chitosdr]

this is better than Disney on ICE!!!!!

you know whats funny about any North american built engine, YOU RUN OUT OF GAS BEFORE YOU EVEN GET TO GO ANYWHERE.


if you want to be cheap and worried about money into your car, forget a swap and GO TAKE THE BUS.


So what kind of gas mileage are you getting with your SR? I get better mileage with my LS1 than I did with my KA. Daily driven 100 miles and average 22-24 mpg.

[blu808]

I made over 320 pdft of torque to the wheels on the dyno.





































































at 2000 rpm.

I would like to see an sr do that.

[blu808]

Just read through this post. Didnt realize there are so many dumb asses on zilvia now a days.

[blu808]

GT2871r 20psi, tomei 2.2 genisis sr, 274 cams, arp, metal headgasket, proper tune, z32 tranny, 2 way tomei mechanical diff,

simply put a destroyer


if you want LS1, go buy a dumb as J body., stop waisting the "NISMO CLUBS time"

either your down with the nismo shit, or your not!

You suck as a human and are a waste of time.

[White Comet]

I made over 320 pdft of torque to the wheels on the dyno.





































































at 2000 rpm.

I would like to see an sr do that.
an sr cant, but an ls1 cant rev as high

[blu808]

Mine revs all day to 8500 rpm with just upgraded valve springs and ti retainers for the valvetrain.

any other ewwiwop?

[motorsnail]

an sr cant, but an ls1 cant rev as high

This argument is pointless..........You are comparing a motor that comes out of a eco turbo 4cyl with a motor that comes it the top SPORTS cars in america there is no contest!! Maybe if it was a 2jz vs ls1 would make a better argument go argue about those:tweak:


edit: LS1 > Sr20det........Still to his good freind "Displacment"!

[blu808]

motorsnail. Indeed.

And to all the other people who try to contest this fact simply because they are nissan purist (retards). Compare the reliability. Then compare the hp to cost ratio over any other forced induction motor. At no point does the sr seem to win the fight. Granted the sr is an awesome engine, I have had many and built many. It just has its place.

[slow40sx]

its not really the weight... its the torque... ALL that NA hp that gets transfered to the wheels with just a punch of the throttle will send the light rear of the car sideways,..... seen it manyt times with the Lsx 240s



but ls1s do also cause some under steer


hows an engine cause understeer?

[blu808]

I would like everyone who gives out this expert advice of how the massive tq will cause under steer, etc, etc, etc, etc. To slit their wrist because none of you have actual experience in this matter. So please either stfu, go slit your wrist, build a car and actually use it before giving out advice, or smoke so much crack that you wear a clock around your neck and only know how to say your name.


because... well. You people sold all your civics, so now we have to deal with you on our "driftaz" forums.

[DOOK]

I would like to add to the previous comments... make sure you slit your wrist up your arm toward your elbow, not across... that's just weak shit when you slice across... if you're gonna fuckin do it, fuckin do it right.

[blu808]

get er done.

[cloudstrife930]

oesnt make sence, this thred, both swaps are for different types of competition.

[White Comet]

This argument is pointless..........You are comparing a motor that comes out of a eco turbo 4cyl with a motor that comes it the top SPORTS cars in america there is no contest!! Maybe if it was a 2jz vs ls1 would make a better argument go argue about those:tweak:


edit: LS1 > Sr20det........Still to his good freind "Displacment"!
lol, i was just kidding, its cool. the ls out performs an sr in every way no questions asked, but my car came w/ an sr so thats what i'll work w/

[DOOK]

not really.... either can be used for different things. Both motors are quite versatile. I have an SR currently and will be doing an LSx in my next vehicle, whether it be S14 or FD rx7

[White Comet]

dont do it in an fd the rotary is rare enough

[DOOK]

fuck rotary... nah, in reality, I just don't understand them and don't wish to take the time to, therefore I'll put something in I know how to deal with...

[blu808]

dont do it in an fd the rotary is rare enough

Thats cause most of them have burned down by now.

[DOOK]

and the rarity is a reason why I would pull and sell it. It's worth more to a true mazda enthusiast than it is to me and it will help fund what I'd rather have.

[ryancoke]

Just read through this post. Didnt realize there are so many dumb asses on zilvia now a days.

+1 i wish people would stop and think before posting stupid shit

[PoorMans180SX]

This thread is now 6 pages of fail.

There are a few people in here that are actually posting things that make sense.

We're now talking about FD's...

:lockd: :lockd: :lockd:

[Jbma327]

even though I have a SR, I have to say hands down LS1

[White Comet]

Thats cause most of them have burned down by now.
or because of limited production and being one of a few vehicles to have a rotary engine

[LowNismo17]

a 350whp SR will most likely have just as much power band as a stock LS1.. i think it would be a damn good race if you are equal drivers

[motorsnail]

a 350whp SR will most likely have just as much power band as a stock LS1.. i think it would be a damn good race if you are equal drivers

See you think but if you read throw the thread and learned other then letting opinions over come fact and making this thread 10 times more pointless then it allready is. Ok let me break it down a turbocharged car makes its power from the turbo witch in time it takes to spool up to acctually get the power you paid for its still power but there is a wait before you see it. Now with the a 350hp ls1 its lacking a turbo in its place it has displacment witch means for people that dont liscen more "room" to make power witch means a more powerfull motor...not to mention that 350hp and the ass loads of tourque being there as soon as you touch the gas because its N/A and doesnt have to wait for wishfull thinking. I have still yet to read any facts on how the sr20det is better then the ls1 so if its just your wrong opinion keep it to your self other then poisoning kids that come in here to praise the sr20det god because it puts mad lengths on ls1..wrong go get dissapointed when that SS or corvette puts a 3 mile hurting on you because he removed emmissions. If you didnt read this and your saying the sr20det "compares" to a ls1 you have just proven your ignorance in more then one way.

Edit: My bad on typos Thanks Kn1ves maybe I should read threw it a learn some grammer tactics

[Kn1ves]

See you think but if you read throw the thread and learned other then letting opinions over come fact and making this thread 10 times more pointless then it allready is. Ok let me break it down a turbocharged car makes its power from the turbo witch in time it takes to spool up to acctually get the power you paid for its still power but there is a wait before you see it. Now with the a 350hp ls1 its lacking a turbo in its place it has displacment witch means for people that dont liscen more "room" to make power witch means a more powerfull motor...not to mention that 350hp and the ass loads of tourque being there as soon as you touch the gas because its N/A and doesnt have to wait for wishfull thinking. I have still yet to read any facts on how the sr20det is better then the ls1 so if its just your wrong opinion keep it to your self other then poisoning kids that come in here to praise the sr20det god because it puts mad lengths on ls1..wrong go get dissapointed when that SS or corvette puts a 3 mile hurting on you because he removed emmissions. If you didnt read this and your saying the sr20det "compares" to a ls1 you have just proven your ignorance in more then one way.

http://img511.imageshack.us/img511/6931/567624107lxg2.gif

So many fucking typos

[blu808]

Again fucking retards who have not owned both please kill yourselfs.

[Phlip]

Enough of this bullshit already