Record N/A KA

[TheJerk]

I'd love to drive this car:
The guy pretty much budget built the car by himself, 190K on the SOHC pistons (in a DOHC motor) for High Compression, AEM EMS, ITBs, 4-1 Custom headers, and Brian Crower V3 camshafts.
I'm not impressed, I'm blown away.
I'd love to do an N/A build, but not on the FWD platform, nor on a Auto Trans.
The Red is the custom Header, Blue is the Greddy header (Shows name brand doesn't mean jack)
http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/files/1037519_iv9nx/itbsgreddyvsmrd.jpg[/URL]
Thumbs up for being different!

You can see the thread here:

[URL]http://forums2.freshalloy.com/showthread.php?t=175979 (http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/files/1037519_iv9nx/itbsgreddyvsmrd.jpg)

[DALAZ_68]

the appeal of stayin KA :love:

[Irukandji]

Didn't Scooter dyno higher than that?

[trsilvias13]

Greaser is old school. He is aiming for 200hp,I think he can pull it off.

[vvtisupra]

aren;'t scca ka24e's pushing out like 240 to the wheels. I remember nissans top speed running truck was about 300 to the wheels or something rediculous.

[nightshiftgarage]

thats not really great. my na ka makes 183 to the wheels and 183 tourqe.
mods are
crower 264 cams
p and p head flowing (298 cfm in.-208 cfm ex.)
asp crank pulley
fidanza flywheel
huge open element cone filter
hot shot header
ebay 3 inch catback
jwt cam gears

next mods are

cp pistons high compression
shotpeen rods
arp studs
cometic head gasket
custom large port header
custom itbs

should be at least 200 whp

[PoorMans180SX]

^+1

blah blah blah, this has all been discussed before.

Scooter built all his own stuff too, and I'm pretty sure he's 180+ as well. Takes some effort, and I commend him on that.

Let's not get into the tube-frame, 240bhp mumbo-jumbo, cause it's pointless to run with that setup in a street car. The magical 300whp KA never existed and never will.

[nightshiftgarage]

im tuned on megasquirt

[TheJerk]

Got a Dyno to back that up?

[MomentumGT]

aren;'t scca ka24e's pushing out like 240 to the wheels. I remember nissans top speed running truck was about 300 to the wheels or something rediculous.

Nasport ka(e)'s put down around 275whp. Don't know of anyone getting the ka NA over 300hp tho'.

-Jon

[TheJerk]

Nasport ka(e)'s put down around 275whp. Don't know of anyone getting the ka NA over 300hp tho'.

-Jon
I'm not talking about the professional KAE's I'm talking about this supposed other 180whp KA

[MomentumGT]

I'm not talking about the professional KAE's I'm talking about this supposed other 180whp KA

Was directed to vvtisupra not your setup. Nightshift is claiming a tad high hp's for stock bottom end but should all be cleared with his dyno graph.

-Jon

[trsilvias13]

yup, need dyno graph to choose and also please specify dyno used as well as any correction made.

[skylindrftr]

I saw a GT3 s14 with a sohc ka (class restriction at the time) that was making around 340 hp. It was on ebay or some car sale site a while back.

[cdlong]

shotpeen rods
arp studs
cometic head gasket

what's the point of these mods? the stock parts can handle something like 350-400hp in turbo applications (i'm not an expert in this area), why waste the money?

[nightshiftgarage]

to be honest with you , i was told that i would need to do that stuff. maybe a bit overbuilt for na? im talking with the shop right now about my dyno graph. the shop is called autofabmotorsports that did the tune. the dyno belongs to diyautotune.com. i was told it was a new load bearing dyno, dont recall the name. im gonna check my email again.

[PoorMans180SX]

I saw a GT3 s14 with a sohc ka (class restriction at the time) that was making around 340 hp. It was on ebay or some car sale site a while back.

This is what I'm talking about in my above post. First of all, that's 340bhp if it even is that high, and second of all, no one could run that in a street car because no one wants to rebuild their engine every 5,000 miles. Thirdly, you have to use the term "S14" loosely, as they're tube framed fiberglass bodies.

There was a thread like this a while back and it just turned into a "who-can-claim-the-most-KA-horsepower" thread.

Don't let this turn into that.

[nightshiftgarage]

im seriously trying to get the dyno graph from the shop owner. ive only had the car back since last sunday. hes supposed to be emailing me a copy.
the cams were degreed by www.yellowmunsontuning.com (http://www.yellowmunsontuning.com)
i also purchased the head from The Shop
my friend there has had many high hp records

[TheJerk]

im seriously trying to get the dyno graph from the shop owner. ive only had the car back since last sunday. hes supposed to be emailing me a copy.
the cams were degreed by www.yellowmunsontuning.com (http://www.yellowmunsontuning.com)
i also purchased the head from The Shop
my friend there has had many high hp records

Find out the Type of dyno, and Post the Graph. Greaser wants to see it too. Is your dyno corrected, because he made 19Xhp uncorrected.

[kandyflip445]

Let's not get into the tube-frame, 240bhp mumbo-jumbo, cause it's pointless to run with that setup in a street car. The magical 300whp KA never existed and never will.

Dude, there are countless 300+whp KA's around. :keke: (they're just boosted. :fawkd: )

[Gnnr]

I saw a GT3 s14 with a sohc ka (class restriction at the time) that was making around 340 hp. It was on ebay or some car sale site a while back.

Possibly was Rebello Racing. But yeah, those are straight up race/track motors that need teardowns after so many miles

Props to this guy though, and I wish him luck on his goal.

[nightshiftgarage]

what do you mean by corrected?

[cwtt]

the appeal of stayin KA :love:

Sorry, but it makes the appeal of staying boosted much greater. 190whp whoopty-doo. I am sorry but that is weak. The poster has a semi built motor with cams, pistons, stand alone ecu etc etc and that is it?

You can flame me all you want, but you could turbo the motor and actually make some decent torque and power. When you start making 300+whp then the car starts becoming quick. 200whp < not fast

I am not trying to flame. I just hate seeing people waste all their money going NA and there setup is still not fast.

Just my $.02

[sideview_180sx]

a robello engine is nothing but parts from the Nismo catalog. those motors could certainly be street driven. if 510 owners use robello engines on the street. or cars can certainly do the same. also scca trucks did make over 300hp on sohc KAs, this has been know for quite awhile. altho i'm not sure if the truck-series sohc motor or the 240sx motor.


BTW DeviousKA had a very good running motor years ago in his hatch. search for him and you might gain a lil more knowledge.

[kandyflip445]

HAHA, you don't NEED 300whp to be fast. Unless all you consider fast is in a straight line. ;)

[BoostinGST]

heres a vid i found a while back to give you N/A guys some hope ;)
http://myspacetv.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=vids.individual&videoid=5734235

[ryan hagen]

i live near crandon and they have a off road race track there. the nismo trucks run ka24de's i think in pro 4 or pro lite class, they are suposed to be 280 to 350 hp. the nissans hold their own with the toyotas there and a friend on a toyota team wouldnt say their exact numbers of what it was putting out on the weekend but their engines dyno at 380hp and had to be restricted down to fit the class. but they get them in a crate and send them away in a crate, they arent allowed to do anything to them except bolt header and intake on. and each motor costs 30k+

that 250hp n/a ka is def not street able, those things run like 15k rpms at brush run.

http://www.hordracing.com/images/2007/Spring%20Crandon%20Joe%20B/Full%20Size/Da%20Hords-07%20-%2016.jpg

http://www.hordracing.com/images/Racing%20Pics/Full%20size%20Pics/Spring%20Crandon/MQ8W5746.JPG

[PoorMans180SX]

BoostinGST, I'm pretty sure that car runs nitrous, therefore it's not naturally aspirated.

[kandyflip445]

i live near crandon and they have a off road race track there. the nismo trucks run ka24de's i think in pro 4 or pro lite class, they are suposed to be 280 to 350 hp. the nissans hold their own with the toyotas there and a friend on a toyota team wouldnt say their exact numbers of what it was putting out on the weekend but their engines dyno at 380hp and had to be restricted down to fit the class. but they get them in a crate and send them away in a crate, they arent allowed to do anything to them except bolt header and intake on. and each motor costs 30k+

that 250hp n/a ka is def not street able, those things run like 15k rpms at brush run.

http://www.hordracing.com/images/2007/Spring%20Crandon%20Joe%20B/Full%20Size/Da%20Hords-07%20-%2016.jpg

http://www.hordracing.com/images/Racing%20Pics/Full%20size%20Pics/Spring%20Crandon/MQ8W5746.JPG


That's pretty cool looking! Is there anymore info? Like a link?

[ryan hagen]

my friend went last summer and the nismo guys wouldnt talk to us, art schmidt racing are the nissan/nismo supported team. he threw out the name Pink and the guys kinda perked up but stayed tight lipped, and told him he couldnt afford any of it. i know toyota guys and they talk about there stuff? but its pretty competitive field. 3 years ago i went and the nismo guys were drunk and we could have walked off with the thing, we got to check them out but the outsides are same as pics, huge dry sump and a auto bell with like a richmond gear looking trans and based off the truck dohc.

[nightshiftgarage]

you can buy that intake mani. thats on those trucks from nissan motorsports for like 400 bucks. its made to use either twm throttle bodies or weber carbs. im considering buying one.ive still got the hookup from when i worked at the dealership.

[nightshiftgarage]

its not always about how fast your car is, some people just like to build (tune) a car to be fun to drive. a well tuned na car is responsive and is a blast to drive through the mountains, which is what ive tuned my car for. ive also autocrossed a few times and attended a few drift days, i just like to have fun driving my car

[BoostinGST]

BoostinGST, I'm pretty sure that car runs nitrous, therefore it's not naturally aspirated.
i was not aware of that... that car is pretty mean anyway ;)

[backroadtouge]

i think we need to find the split discussion here between the cars that are timed by how many hours they have left and how many years they have left (those 240hp+ka v. street 200hpka)
like three topics going on.
im really at the stage now where i wanna mash the gas and spin wheels.... oh well ka, your still gonna outlive my lifetime....

[infinitexsound]

sohc makes 280hp ,dohc makes 290hp..... u can make 220 reasonably easy if research and develop it..... 245 is the highest ive seen for a na ka... on the street so.... theres certain pistons that are already made that can bump compression to 11:1.. theres already a nissan engine built from the factory with 11:1 compression so with headwork and clearancing its possible... the ka's bore is pretty big, and can be enlarged a little bit more... to accomodate a certain piston... cam specs changes characteristics of performance also... so u guys should try a bunch of cams... and see where it can lead you... nissan engine parts are pretty close to being diversed and interchangeable..

those gt3 motors are full race so quit bullshitt'n about it...

[nightshiftgarage]

who has this 245 hp street ka? i havent heard of this.

[infinitexsound]

ur in Tn, of course u wouldn't....

[Chernobyl]

ur in Tn, of course u wouldn't....

Because it doesn't exist.

GTFO with this :bs:

[95KA-Turbo]

Here's his latest dynograph, I got to hear this thing yesterday, it is ridiculously loud and lopes its ass off.



http://www.we-todd-did-racing.com/files/1041068_ytjjx/breakthrough%20200.jpg


added 4mm bigger itb's now 46mm
shortened intake runner lenth
installed vacuum pump
installed/tuned staged injection
added a bit more overlap in the cams

[PoorMans180SX]

Very nice. This is actually the first time I have seen a dyno graph of a NA KA with more than 200whp.

Of course I don't really look for them :wiggle:

[vvtisupra]

wow we're in B16 territory now guys !

[kingkilburn]

Now I want to see what he would get with the BC stroker kit. With it being fully balanced and stroked the numbers should have a nice jump.

[Gnnr]

Nice! Congrats to Greaser on FA for reaching his goal!

[amuze]

Here's his latest dynograph, I got to hear this thing yesterday, it is ridiculously loud and lopes its ass off.



ask greaser to show you his inaccessible box. :cj:

[mugendork]

wow we're in B16 territory now guys !
I love that! :bowrofl:

[nightshiftgarage]

props to greaser, he made it. i hope to be right behind him . im building a bottom end to swap my junk on to now. i wish his tourqe numbers were higher though.

by the way infinitexsound, where are u at with soo many na ka,s?

[deviousKA]

I never did get any dyno runs with the single cam in my s13. I now have my own set of rollers almost set up, and I do still have the car but its been reconfigured for ECU development, havent done much with it lately.

[SiI40sx]

Quick question, is it possible to break 9's on the 1/8 mile with a stock motor kade (without turbo or nos) but with full bolt ons?? I only ask because i like the challenge of trying to get a certain time in which it only depends on driver and not so much the car. I did a 10 flat with a stupidly stock kade, open diff, and ok tires with a oem exedy clutch and pp and fully stock exhaust (cats and everything). My quickest 60ft was 2.3 and my best time was 10.05.

[sav180]

lets see that slip

[twistex]

The nissan sponsored baja truck has 297 hp on a ka24de with weber side daft carbs! you can obtain 300 hp but its not easy of course. just by putting 50mm mikuni side drafts on one of my datsuns with a ka24de untuned i was making 175 to wheels stock s14 motor.
^+1

blah blah blah, this has all been discussed before.

Scooter built all his own stuff too, and I'm pretty sure he's 180+ as well. Takes some effort, and I commend him on that.

Let's not get into the tube-frame, 240bhp mumbo-jumbo, cause it's pointless to run with that setup in a street car. The magical 300whp KA never existed and never will.

[Doluck]

Our first DSS drift car was 217whp on a built ka... I dont know who he sold it to, but I hear it still runs.
It was stroked to 2.6L and was 11.2 comp... and a few bolt ons... The ecu was just flashed.. I think with a stand aolne he coulda got a good bit more.

[cdlong]

you certainly didn't come the a number of 217hp by ass dyno, post up some charts or it didn't happen.

[Doluck]

Sorry man... wasnt my car... I have nothing to prove it... we have been RB powered for about 2 years now. But I belive XAT built the motor.

[undesiredshoe]

Eureka High school has a 250hp n/a ka in a s14 as their shop car.

[wannabe_drifter]

^^ got info/pictures/dyno/video for that ???

[punxva]

greaser is the man and a local nissan hero imo, i've seen and heard this car in person and it's nasty, not to mention he's still running an automatic tranny iirc.