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jackal264

11-14-2007, 01:36 AM

anyone rocking the seibon cf trunk for s14?

i just got mine and the fitment is terrible. nothing fits right outa the box. and after spending a good 3 hours just to get the center garnish to fit it looks like the curvature of the trunk is a little different then oem making the upper center section of the center garnish stick out?

this happen to anyone else?

EJ253

11-14-2007, 01:46 AM

welcome to the world of Carbon Fiber/Fiberglass parts
but with real Seibon i'd expect it to have pretty decent fitment...
where did you get it from?

can you post up some pics so we can get a better idea of what your talking about?

J-Style

11-14-2007, 01:50 AM

I had a Seibon CF hood on my RPS13 and it fit great!

We need picture's.

jackal264

11-14-2007, 01:59 AM

i bought it from a local shop. reputable place and i bought a hood to so i'm sure its genuin seibon. seriously frustrating though.

this is the only pic i have right now. i'll get some really good ones tomorrow. but in the pic i circled the first big problem. there were two support peices running right behine those openings stopping the light housing on the garnish from going in. so i had to cut and heat/move them out of the way. now the garnish slides in fine but like i said above the curvature of the garnish is way off compaired to the trunk. (and its not the garnish, it fits fine on my old trunk)

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n248/Jackal_364/CIMG0870point.jpg

J-Style

11-14-2007, 02:05 AM

That's odd. I will check out the picture's when you post them and give you any info I can.

ayuaddict

11-14-2007, 02:17 AM

at least it looks like its not too wavy.

jackal264

11-14-2007, 01:22 PM

here you can see the cutting i needed to do to get the light housings to fit. (i wil smooth out the cuts later and they're crappy b/c i had to drill a couple holes to fit the blade in. i'll use a dremmel to smooth it all out later.)
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n248/Jackal_364/CIMG0878.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n248/Jackal_364/CIMG0877.jpg

jackal264

11-14-2007, 01:24 PM

this is the gap i was talking about. on the ends i got it to fit pretty goo but the center wont move anymore then i have it now.

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n248/Jackal_364/CIMG0879.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n248/Jackal_364/CIMG0880.jpg
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n248/Jackal_364/CIMG0881.jpg

jackal264

11-14-2007, 01:25 PM

also how the fuck does this part come off the old trunk?

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n248/Jackal_364/CIMG0876.jpg

moonshinekouki

11-14-2007, 01:38 PM

what if someone smashes your trunk??
or is it jsut a track car

Sideways_In_SD

11-14-2007, 01:56 PM

also how the fuck does this part come off the old trunk?

http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n248/Jackal_364/CIMG0876.jpg

10mm socket??

haggards13

11-14-2007, 02:00 PM

what if someone smashes your trunk??
or is it jsut a track car

Uhhh... it breaks? Shit happens, homie. It's not like a trunk provides any rigidity or crash protection.

koukimonster139

11-14-2007, 02:02 PM

ugh when will they stop making those with the nasty third brake light cutout

jackal264

11-14-2007, 02:13 PM

10mm socket??

it just spins

!Zar!

11-14-2007, 04:08 PM

You should be able to get a 10mm wrench behind there to hold it still.

As for the product it's self.

This is what comes with the territory of replacing oem parts with after market parts.

To some people the fitment will be great. While to others the fitment will be horrible. Most all after market body accy's need to be hand fit.

steve shadows

11-14-2007, 04:15 PM

it just spins

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weeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee

come on just brace th bish

cloudstrife930

11-14-2007, 04:23 PM

yeah believe it or not thats not to bad, none of them are really perfect. There are companies out there who make almost mint pieces, we had a guy on evom.net that had some perfect fittting trunks and hoods, but he would charge an arm and a leg. After buying a CFhood tho and looking at the imperfections, the extra 150 -200 bux seemed like it was worth it. VIS and Seibon i remember from evom, that VIS actually had better fitting parts while seibon had better weave consistancy. But finding the perfect cf hood or trunk is like trying to find the perfect blossom.........they are all perfect. lol what movie is that from ne 1? lol, o yeah 10mm socket or phillips screwdriver, if they fail airhammer or hydrolic press. But seriously whats on the other side of that bolt, I can take a look at mine tomorrow in daylight and tell you. Might me a nut in back of it, maybe, I dunno, I'll look at mine tomorrow.

KAs14slider

11-14-2007, 04:51 PM

I really wanted to get a cf trunk for my s14 and I was wondering exactly how much weight you save? How much does the stock one weight anyways? Mine has a stock wing, if that matters. And I was looking on ebay and there were some carbon s14 trunks then there were carbon kevlar trunks which cost way more. I would love to get one but there are way more important things right now for me to get for my car.

Subzeroqc

11-14-2007, 05:00 PM

I was gonna pick one up over winter time since shaving + respray isn't that much cheaper, but this thread got me hesitating...

jackal264

11-15-2007, 01:13 AM

wow ok so these trunks are garbage. i started mounting the lock mecanism last night and the trunk was basically designed to not use a latch. period. i had to do a bunch of cutting and some half assed reworking of the whole system to get it to work right... and now that i can close it i see that there are some god awfull gaps that i'm not sure i can fix.

pics will be up tomorrow

3-240's-N-aMule

11-15-2007, 01:21 AM

Pffff. Does it have the seibon plate on the back of the trunk? Maybe its not Seibon if it doesnt have the plate, but instead ebay shit.

J-Style

11-15-2007, 01:34 AM

Pffff. Does it have the seibon plate on the back of the trunk? Maybe its not Seibon if it doesnt have the plate, but instead ebay shit.

That was my next question.

jackal264

11-15-2007, 02:02 AM

well now that you mention it...

i think this local shop might be trying to pull a fast one on me.

so here is my description

came in a brown unmarked box (did say carbon) but not seibon on the outside. the hood came in a white box with seibon carbon written all over.
but after looking all over the trunk there is NO SEIBON PLATE. the hood has one but the trunk does not...

i sent an e-mail to seibon about it and i'm gonna call the shop tomorrow. this thing has gotten fucking stupid to work on.

edit: oh yeah but the runk was wraped in seibon plastic whe i opened the box???

J-Style

11-15-2007, 02:31 AM

I still have the Seibon wrapper in my garage. The company could have just wrapped the truck up and told you it was real.

Good luck!

ayuaddict

11-15-2007, 02:37 AM

But finding the perfect cf hood or trunk is like trying to find the perfect blossom.........they are all perfect.. lol what movie is that from ne 1?

i believe thats from Mulan.

dont ask me why i know.

markyboi

11-15-2007, 10:17 AM

so it the trunk carbon fiber? or is it fiberglass with a cf layer on top?

jackal264

11-15-2007, 12:26 PM

the trunk is fiberglass with a carbon layer, BUT i called seibon and aparently thats what it's supposed to be BUT in all likely hood the trunk i got isn't seibon. i sent them a shitload of pics of all the problems and such and they said it's not one of their trunks. then i contacted the local shop and they said they got it strait from seibon... sooooo seibon will in all likely hood take it back according to what the guy from seibon said. they just need to look over the pictures one more time then i can send it back for a replacment.

what a pain in the ass

Ian

11-15-2007, 02:12 PM

most aftermarket stuff is FG w/ CF wrapped on it

EAS13

11-15-2007, 02:36 PM

Post back when you find out if it's authentic or not. I'm curious because i've never seen one seibon piece not fit well out of the box. Granted, I've never seen the CF trunk for your car either...

jackal264

11-15-2007, 04:41 PM

smelly240

11-15-2007, 05:29 PM

they might bang you with "installer error" or professional install is required

i know i always sand parts and do little shit with aero - but i never had a problem with hood fitment (never got a trunk or hatch tho) you shouldnt have to work that hard to get a part that expensive to fit :P

good luck -

TOYTECH1

11-15-2007, 05:42 PM

i have a cf trunk, fits good. Has the seibon label on it. would post pics but no cam

Subzeroqc

11-15-2007, 07:13 PM

holly crappy fitment!!

lucky7

11-16-2007, 02:49 AM

mine is/was exactly like yours. i had to cut shit with a dremmel for 2 fucking hours. then i had to take out both springs to get the shit to close evenly. it sits flush now, but it wont stay open by itself. im still kinda dissapointed, but its on now, so fuck it. i also broke my 3rd brake light lens getting that shit off the old trunklid. what a PITA. i hope the hood i get isnt that big of a bitch.

A Spec Products

11-16-2007, 03:04 AM

so after playing phone tag today with seibon and revspot (the local company) seibon claims it's genuin.. now they are sending the photos to their warrantee department where they will decide if the will warrantee it.

i sent the pictures above along with the custome work i had to do to get the latch to work and the terrible fitment once on the car.

I believe that since you modified the product quite heavily (regardless of how it fit), I'm pretty sure that it will be quite difficult to warranty the item.

I know that might not be the answer you'd be looking for, but on any level once its dremeled, cut, etc, its hard to justify a warranty.

Also, some of you have issues with products that have bad fitment, but unfortunately that is what the US market is currently supporting. Since the US market typically has those who try to buy things at the cheapest price, often time for things like kits/hoods/trunks, the way to cut price is in production, and bad fitment is often a result of this. If you want perfect fitment, it will cost you, so unfortunately sometimes fitment is directly correlated to the amount you spend and/or are willing to spend (just playing devil's advocate, not trying to put anyone on blast).

I hope it is really authentic Seibon (not implying anything about the company who sold it or anything) but typically Seibon comes with a little metal plaque that is riveted to the piece. That's how it is for their hoods though, not sure how the trunks are.

Typically with aero/carbon parts, there are two very important points in regards to warranty:

1) When it arrives from the delivery guy - Inspect it thoroughly, make him stand there if you have to while you inspect it, unwrap it, etc. Don't sign it until you inspect it. If there is major damage, refuse the item, or sign for it but make the driver fill out a damage tag/notice. For easily damaged parts or obviously damaged boxes, try to never just sign for it, otherwise its hard to file a damage claim after the fact (since by signing, you agreed to the condition on arrival). After opening the item, keep all original boxes/packaging/labels, you might need this if you return an item.

2) Test fit parts loosely without damaging/marking, and once you find something of major concern, stop working and contact your dealer immediately. From a business standpoint, it's much easier to demonstrate to a manufacture of a fitment issue when the item is 100% new just test fit, rather than after it has been modified. Also, try to research all avenues before jumping to conclusions and blaming the item (I'm speaking generally, not at the original poster). Sometimes people will claim that an item doesn't fit, but that might be due to something like a previous accident that damaged the frame, etc.

Granted this doesn't apply to all issues, nor should this be taken word for word (and other businesses might differ), but from my experience this is what I've found.

Hopefully that helps some of you with future aero/hood/trunk shipments.

jackal264

11-16-2007, 03:29 AM

at this point i would rather just get my money back but thats a tall order. i REALLY hope all the pics i sent them show them just how crappy their product is. i would have been better off or at least at the same place if i had gone with ebay and i would have a little extra cash.

lucky7

11-17-2007, 12:39 PM

no shit, almost $700 for a namebrand seibon lid, and it requires pretty sever modification to fit IMO. i screwed myself. now i have to get a seibon hood so the weave is the same. haha. oh well.
its just money.

ixfxi

11-17-2007, 01:37 PM

I believe that since you modified the product quite heavily (regardless of how it fit), I'm pretty sure that it will be quite difficult to warranty the item.

I know that might not be the answer you'd be looking for, but on any level once its dremeled, cut, etc, its hard to justify a warranty.

Also, some of you have issues with products that have bad fitment, but unfortunately that is what the US market is currently supporting. Since the US market typically has those who try to buy things at the cheapest price, often time for things like kits/hoods/trunks, the way to cut price is in production, and bad fitment is often a result of this. If you want perfect fitment, it will cost you, so unfortunately sometimes fitment is directly correlated to the amount you spend and/or are willing to spend (just playing devil's advocate, not trying to put anyone on blast).

I dont understand how any car enthusiasts deal with shit like this.

If you buy something, you deserve customer support. If the shop or company isnt going to stand behind their product, then they arent worth buying from.

Problem is, too many consumers are looking out solely for their best interests - which means acquiring good fitting product JUST for their purchase, and at a steal of a price. For example, it doesnt matter if the company makes 200 hoods and only 3 made fit right, as long as the ONE hood THEY purchase is the good hood. People have no interest in actually supporting quality businesses anymore, and this is the problem you find today. There is no connection between the consumer and the seller, and no company or individual wants to take responsibility for either selling a flawed product, customer service, or repair. You have a problem? Call India, talk to someone who doesnt speak english, let alone care.

The irony in this post, is that often times when I read about body kits I always hear companies say "This product may require modification such as sanding, cutting, welding, etc" - its like, you do this and then you void your warranty, how nice.

Just curious to the original poster, what made you even want this piece? OEM trunk not good enough?

MavericStephenc

11-17-2007, 01:50 PM

i believe thats from Mulan.

dont ask me why i know.

its the last samurai.

g/l with the trunk

kognition

11-17-2007, 02:12 PM

When you are ready to be excited, you will contact Kognition for the super light dry carbon race trunk that weighs 2lb's. All BS to the side. :2f2f:
We are making a dry carbon center garnish cover right now. So it's blank in the pic. Seibon seems to be losing it's edge in the world of mass production :-/ They certainly fill a large market, but damn. Gotsta stay on target with fitment.
http://kognitiondesign.com/ls-6.jpg

Jakob

11-17-2007, 02:16 PM

http://www.kognitiondesign.com/ls-6.jpg

OptionZero

11-17-2007, 02:28 PM

Public information is awesome.

Seibon International

20519 E WALNUT DR N
WALNUT, CA 91789

Agent for Service of Process:

SHAWN XIN XU
16152 ROYAL TROONE CT
CHINO HILLS, CA 91709

The above information is for those interested in serving notice, not to go to his house and dump sharp pieces of "carbon fiber" in his driveway.

808_Drift

11-17-2007, 08:58 PM

I got my Seibon CF hood and truck for my s13 straight from seibon... 100% fitment and best quality cf IMHO, but im sure not 100% will be made the same. Its the same thing with body kits. I got a origin lab kit and (i hard fitment was 100% perfect on them before i buy) and i had to do quite a bit of work to make it fit right, but not anywhere near those cheap ass ebay kits. Sometimes its hit or miss even with name brand.
I hope seibon helps you out tho, even tho you modified the truck quite a bit.

jackal264

11-19-2007, 10:03 PM

HAHA so seibon is sending me another trunk so acording to revspot seibon has to have proof the other one get destroyed. SO I GET DO SMASH UP A CF TRUNK!!!

Chernobyl

11-19-2007, 11:05 PM

sooooo seibon will in all likely hood take it back

minus whale go with this approach

jackal264

11-19-2007, 11:18 PM

minus whale go with this approach

wow ok first of all it's might as well not minus whale

secondly i worded it badly. it's so bad that seibon doesn't want it back so they told revspot to destroy it and revspot offered the privilege to me for all the hassle.

kognition

11-19-2007, 11:30 PM

Well... you minus whale enjoy yourself withit, but where goggles two protect your ice balls. :naughty:

wow ok first of all it's might as well not minus whale

secondly i worded it badly. it's so bad that seibon doesn't want it back so they told revspot to destroy it and revspot offered the privilege to me for all the hassle.

jackal264

11-20-2007, 12:05 AM

Well... you minus whale enjoy yourself withit, but where goggles two protect your ice balls. :naughty:

lol... yeah my ice balls are important to me :bash:

trsilvias13

11-20-2007, 12:18 AM

HAHA so seibon is sending me another trunk so acording to revspot seibon has to have proof the other one get destroyed. SO I GET DO SMASH UP A CF TRUNK!!!

make some cf piece.. cut some dash pieces for gauges and carnards. haha

GreekRPS13

11-20-2007, 02:15 AM

use the correct socket and squeeze some grip plyers behind it to prevent the backside from spinning

jackal264

11-20-2007, 08:30 AM

use the correct socket and squeeze some grip plyers behind it to prevent the backside from spinning

what??? i don't get it

projectdrifter

12-28-2007, 02:34 PM

Brian

12-28-2007, 03:33 PM

wow ok first of all it's might as well not minus whale

secondly i worded it badly. it's so bad that seibon doesn't want it back so they told revspot to destroy it and revspot offered the privilege to me for all the hassle.

Of course they don't want it back.
Why would they lose money on shipping it back to them?
Easier to destroy it.

Brian

12-28-2007, 03:40 PM

MrChow

12-28-2007, 03:53 PM

how much u talking 4 a dry carbon trunk or hood thru u guys? Next time PM the person instead of bumping up a old post. You'll get a quicker response.

also, I don't see why everybody thinks SEIBON is THE shit.
what is so great about them?

I mean in specific... i hear people say stuff like.. oh is that a real SEIBON hood?

they straight copied the VeilSide Ver.3 Z33 hood. What is so cool about that?

Also, you can mass produce parts out of the mold, but that mold is gonna go to shit. It is pretty expensive to make a new one.... why bother?
People are people and businesses are businesses. People are dumb and businesses want money.

98koukile

12-28-2007, 03:55 PM

When you are ready to be excited, you will contact Kognition for the super light dry carbon race trunk that weighs 2lb's.

I'd buy that for a dollar
http://www.thefader.com/blog/files/buyfordollar.jpg

Bobafreak

12-28-2007, 04:30 PM

tell you the truth i know someone with a seibon trunk and it isn't bad i think you may have got a defective one and since being from Canada that cost $ to ship back and what not. You don't need professional installation for a hood especially if you have pictures verifying what is wrong with it just like he did. I have had a few items from seibon none the less. Good stuff.

Brian

12-28-2007, 04:33 PM

also, as far as fiberglass stuff and whatnot... they are not all going to be the same. the gel coat is not always going to cure the same.
this is why it is standard to do sanding/light work on aftermarket bumpers,hoods,whatever.

Bobafreak

12-28-2007, 04:36 PM

also, I don't see why everybody thinks SEIBON is THE shit.
what is so great about them?

I mean in specific... i hear people say stuff like.. oh is that a real SEIBON hood?

they straight copied the VeilSide Ver.3 Z33 hood. What is so cool about that?

Also, you can mass produce parts out of the mold, but that mold is gonna go to shit. It is pretty expensive to make a new one.... why bother?

Because they are a highly reputable company.Pretty much in alot of coverage as well. One of the best to go to besides vis, though sometimes they may have a slight problem here or there but are willing to correct it. Maybe harder for those not within the socal region but i say there pretty on top of the game.

ohh yea and they got money. :)