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rongfk

11-12-2007, 07:07 PM

whats your take on these? there going for around $35 shipped. is it too cheesy or do you think it would look alright. I'm sure the function of it is probably better than stock...

http://images.channeladvisor.com/Sell/SSProfiles/23000025/Images/5/LHP7X6.jpg

BoostedAuto

11-12-2007, 07:08 PM

not so bad...they look like eyeballs tho! lol

B Love

11-12-2007, 07:10 PM

I think they look lame. I mean the beam would be more direct and have a cutoff. But Im sure they are made in China and they will be crap

arkive43

11-12-2007, 07:10 PM

from what i hear the cut off is horrible not worth it.....

red89rps13

11-12-2007, 07:12 PM

i remember seeing a thread of someone having these. i think it was a h.i.d in pop ups thread...well anyways i heard they were complete crap and the cutoff sucked. they also look like shit.

ThatGuy

11-12-2007, 07:15 PM

firelizard

11-12-2007, 07:16 PM

Tres lame.

I bet output is worse than stock.

swang

11-12-2007, 07:25 PM

id stick with the cut outs too, they look much nicer.

file:///C:/Users/Swang/AppData/Local/Temp/moz-screenshot.jpghttp://www.clearcorners.com/products/nissan/240sx1/imgs/featcarA02.jpg

hope this isnt copyright. :bowdown:

these lights to dont match up to my taste :rl:

jackjack

11-12-2007, 07:26 PM

just like everyone said. HORRIBLE output. look for something else.

FaLKoN240

11-12-2007, 07:46 PM

Get some Hella E-codes.

That's what I have, the cut off with halogens is one of the best you can get:

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a163/FaLKoN240/Black%20Car/August%2026%202007/Picture010.jpg
http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a163/FaLKoN240/Black%20Car/August%2026%202007/Picture010.jpg

HID is still pretty good. I'm happy with them:

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a163/FaLKoN240/Black%20Car/HIDs/CIMG1590.jpg

2007 Lexus ES on the left, my car on the right I have since raised the headlights, I have yet to raise them higher without too much glare for oncoming traffic.

Projectors don't do anything if they aren't made with care and quality.

Bushido

11-12-2007, 08:36 PM

those arent even projectors, they are just a piece of plastic in frot of the bulb to give it the mad tyte projector look.

midnightouge

11-12-2007, 08:45 PM

I have them on my car and they actually light up everywhere but straight, i'll try to take pictures of them on my car tomorrow if you want to see them.

rongfk

11-12-2007, 08:55 PM

^yea dude if you can..

dorkidori_s13

11-12-2007, 09:00 PM

You should ask ixfxi above all others.

Personally they look like crap. Nothing like wasting a 5x7 housing on a 2.5" round light. :down:

Low profile pop-ups with custom mounted projectors destroy these "made in Taiwan eGay specials".
http://www.jdmrice.com/events/DD5/DD5_004.JPG
Yes, they even still went up and down. JDMRice car, headlights courtesy of www.clearcorners.com (http://www.clearcorners.com). :bow:

that car was purrrty...i was at vegasdrift 001 the day rich wrecked that car...it sucked =(

but yes...the clear corners conversion is hot...prolly the best conversion/update to the flippy lights you can get

B Love

11-12-2007, 11:45 PM

Ahhh dude K2 sells those things. Alot of that stuff is poorly made and will leak water too

Dousan_PG

11-12-2007, 11:47 PM

ah yes the infamous VD 1
i rememgber that day
lindsay almost broke my neck
and richard ate the pole
sigh so sad.

CC is the jam
DO IT

driftjunky

11-12-2007, 11:51 PM

dont try so hard

UfoZ8myCow

11-13-2007, 08:55 AM

If you want better light output on a budget just get H4s... They make a world of difference over stock.

dorkidori_s13

11-13-2007, 09:35 AM

Ahhh dude K2 sells those things. Alot of that stuff is poorly made and will leak water too

if you were comparing those K2s to the clearcorners conversion...K2 conversion is different...the clearcorners conversion runs about 1200 bux and is done ALL inhouse...their work is waranteed against all defects including water damage

axiomatik

11-13-2007, 09:36 AM

yeah, I don't think those are real projectors, I think they are just trying to look like projectors. If you want to improve your lighting, get some Hella E-codes or Cibie conversion lamps.

The clearcorners setup is tight, but it is way out of the price range of most 240 owners. If you've got some fab skills, you can replicate it yourself. He just uses Hella 60mm lamps custom mounted into the headlamp housing. you would have to modify the geometry of the pop-up mecahnism to get it to open to the proper height, though.

SILVIA_KIDs14.5

11-13-2007, 10:00 AM

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/3282/5709ll8.jpg
thes might be an option not popup but look pretty nice when on and possible reduces drag lol

ThatGuy

11-13-2007, 10:06 AM

Ugh. Fake Carbon Fiber and "Angel Eye" lamps.

PURE CRAP!

steve shadows

11-13-2007, 10:08 AM

Low profile pop-ups with custom mounted projectors destroy these "made in Taiwan eGay specials".
http://www.jdmrice.com/events/DD5/DD5_004.JPG
Yes, they even still went up and down. JDMRice car, headlights courtesy of www.clearcorners.com. :bow:

except for the massive wieght of the motors.

I hate the way mine look but I literally lost about 25+ lbs off the car when I swapped them out.

I was sick of the stupid motors being finiky

GooseXRS

11-13-2007, 10:13 AM

Im going to have to agree with "thatguy". Those are crap. Whoever made those and the chrysler seabring convertible should be buried up to their neck and kicked in the face by 5 year olds for months until they are just about dead and then let them go all disfigured and whatnot. lol I know Its demented but its been a long night with no sleep. I like pump lights so I would say to leave them stock. Or at the most I guess the H4's.
Take Care

ThatGuy

11-13-2007, 10:13 AM

Certainly Steve, but you could make brackets to keep the lights at the proper height, and remove the motors. It wouldn't go up and down anymore, but you could have excellent lighting output without the weight.

ixfxi

11-13-2007, 10:30 AM

1) If its made overseas, stay away.

2) If you see blue-coated bulbs, stay away.

3) If its too cheap in price, stay away.

4) If it looks like Johnny-5 robot, stay away.

5) If n00bs on Zilvia tell you to buy it, stay away.

and last but not least, if people own H4 headlamps (Hella, Bosch, or Cibie) and install rebased HID retrofit kits -- stay the fuck away.

Pretty much, you should stay away from just about anyone on Zilvia, except me, russ, thatguy, kevin, lisa, and a very very short list of others. Though, most premium members tend to be good people.. but still, use caution.

ixfxi

11-13-2007, 10:34 AM

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/3282/5709ll8.jpg

AHEM, STAY _THE FUCK_ AWAY.

Steve Shadows lighting advice> STAY AWAY....

BTW, the headlamp lift motors weigh like 1lb total... big fucking deal. Either make solid linkage if you're "super cool lightweight king"

or

take a shit and clean your intestines, that should eliminate a good couple pounds from the majority of broke, macdonalds eating 240 owners

or

go silvia front, and add weight with heavy glass headlamps at the nose of your car, where its most important

midnightouge

11-13-2007, 10:53 AM

I have had these headlights for about a year but i dont recommend them, ixfxi is right. here are some pictures since you wanted to see them.

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c11/jose5170/DSC01473.jpg

http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c11/jose5170/DSC01476.jpg

burnsauto

11-13-2007, 10:59 AM

ThatGuy

11-13-2007, 11:06 AM

ClearCorners sells a kit to re-align the Silvia Projector Headlights.

As far as the "Bricks" go, you are pretty much screwed on light output. :(

When I have the money, I will get a set of "Proper" headlights. Thanks to Mike for showing me the way to do it right.

axiomatik

11-13-2007, 11:25 AM

yeah i'd stay away from those things, cheaply made and crappy light. granted the stockers dont look too great, or emit the same light that some high end products do...they arent too bad, and get the job done for the most part.

This is to mister clear corners himself. - how well do the siliva headlights work on U.S. soil? is there a difference (in light quality) between the brick and projector styles? one last thing....would they need to be redirected like the s15 headlights?

if you get projectors, you can retrofit in some LHD projectors into the housings and get pretty good lighting. Lighting from Bricks will suck and glare other drivers. You might be able retrofit some projectors in them in conjunction with some FK covers and get decent output. might look a little funny.

B Love

11-13-2007, 11:35 AM

Yea you can do that but in the end you just wasted money and the husing are still crap

IIIXziuR

11-13-2007, 02:30 PM

Yeah Mike rocks.
Always gives awesome lighting info.

General Opinion; stay away from these things, they look & perform lame

dorkidori_s13

11-13-2007, 02:38 PM

As far as the "Bricks" go, you are pretty much screwed on light output. :(

ive never actually opened a brick headlight setup before...but couldnt you swap the internals around at all to reaim them?? its only a reflection plate?

(i had a set of brick headlights...but they were beat to shit...sold em adn got some projectors)

celica3sgte94

11-13-2007, 02:42 PM

1) If its made overseas, stay away.

even if its made in japan stay away???

ThatGuy

11-13-2007, 02:43 PM

DorkiDori, I asked mike the same thing, it's not just the reflector that is crap. It's the whole light. The output is lame-town.

If I had money to burn, Mike would be building me a set of triple projectors with HID lowbeams, halogen highbeams with better projectors, and HID fogs. :rawk:

pwhitersxs

11-13-2007, 04:16 PM

I have non pop up east bear lights and what I like is:

Easy to take on and off.
Saved a ton of weight like steve said.

The bad:
Light output is not the greatest, but it is adequate.

I replaced my lights about 4 years ago because I got the east bear's really cheap and my stock headlights were junk.

ixfxi

11-13-2007, 06:46 PM

steve, i dont have any fucking idea what you are attempting to say. actually, i'm not sure if you even understand what we're saying. You remind me of Steve Carell in Anchorman when he starts yelling because he has no idea why everyone else is shouting "LOUD [email protected]?#[email protected][email protected]"

Anyway, steve shadows aside...................

dont use RHD headlamps in the US, period. thats it. thats all i have to say. if you have projector headlamps, atleast put the proper optics in there..

ps: products from japan typically rock. however, lighting products from japan, typically suck. only a small amount of lighting products from japan are actually good. this DOES NOT take into account OE lighting products made in japan, which are of course, awesome, such as ICHIKOH and KOITO

steve shadows

11-13-2007, 07:12 PM

im saying poop shit fuck :2f2f:

blackrms13

11-13-2007, 07:49 PM

how about European products?

are Phillips and Hella products made there? or here in the US?

silviaz

11-13-2007, 07:58 PM

I have a set of these and i'm happy with the final result... This is probably not the same model as you but with the proper light bulb it's better than oem.

I have them since 2003 and no water came inside, I still have the same H4 bulb and no rust anywhere. Should I be not happy after 4 years..... I dunno... But I like them and if I upgrade with HID, i'll kid the projector for sure.

ixfxi

11-14-2007, 01:06 AM

im saying poop shit fuck :2f2f:

earmuffs. you cant say earmuffs?

http://youtube.com/watch?v=yjwcgxWsHtM

EJ253

11-14-2007, 01:19 AM

http://img217.imageshack.us/img217/3282/5709ll8.jpg
thes might be an option not popup but look pretty nice when on and possible reduces drag lol

i know a guy who had those...

http://a915.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images01/125/l_3a4997430d4d95cfafb1410013f5af92.jpg

theyre gay

AznDrftr.

11-14-2007, 01:26 AM

^LOL.

yea i have the projectors too. Only reason why i got them, is so i can get a HID kit here soon.

FaLKoN240

11-14-2007, 02:30 AM

Ha, I'm not gonna claim that my drop in HID is awesome, but for the money, you can't really lose.

I would totally have CC kit, but like everyone else, I'm too poor to afford that shit.

I would love to have CC everything on my car, but that would come out to more than the cost of my car with all the mods, and then some.

SHIT LOOKS FUCKING HOT THOUGH! Would match any car no matter what "look" you were going for.

Farzam

11-14-2007, 02:45 AM

Cheap lights ftmfl

Would you replace your rb26 with a ca18e? No. So why downgrade your headlights?

Clearcorners should come out with a sister company that features affordable parts for broke losers.

Zhanshi

11-14-2007, 03:38 AM

Heres a pair of 350z projectors (picked up a pair from sicarius82) I retrofitted into the Ebay housings. Not the cleanest retrofit, but it gets the job done.

Pics were taken using a cell phone cam :-/

http://img403.imageshack.us/img403/9861/photo0148eg8.jpg
On car shot

http://img204.imageshack.us/img204/7098/photo0147vm3.jpg
Pic of the projectors

http://img208.imageshack.us/img208/7779/photo0146vi8.jpg
Pic of the HID + projectors cutoff

http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/112/photo0092vi1.jpg
Halogen bulbs + Autopal H4 Ecode housings

Ecode are the best for light output with a nice cutoff using halogen bulbs. Using HIDs in the Ecodes still gave off too much glare (unwated attention) for my comfort.

Bushido

11-14-2007, 09:47 AM

I think if you switch your housings to ones without lines across the lense you will get less glare and a sharper cutoff.

i also wanted to ask, are the 350z projectors shallow enough to retain the flip up/down function?

Zhanshi

11-16-2007, 11:19 PM

Yep, the first gen 350z projectors are small enough for it to flip up and down. The only problem is that you need to set the projectors as close to the glass as you can so that the d2s bulb adapter does not hit anything. I just added a couple washers to the screws that hold the housing and something to pull the headlight housing forward a little.

Bushido

11-17-2007, 02:52 PM

+ rep, thanks for the info!

ixfxi

11-28-2007, 02:24 PM

Ha, I'm not gonna claim that my drop in HID is awesome, but for the money, you can't really lose.

Guys, its not about having "awesome lighting" that looks super pretty and gets everyones attention. Its about being able to FUCKING SEE AT NIGHT so that you dont drive off a mountain road. It doesnt require HID, and it doesnt require tons of cash.

yea i have the projectors too. Only reason why i got them, is so i can get a HID kit here soon.

See what I mean? Everyone thinks HID = tons of light output. HID is good, but its useless if you have a shit housing or in better words, poor optics. If you take a halogen headlamp and use a rebased HID kit, thats poor optics. If you take a TOP of the line Cibie E-code headlamp and convert it to HID, its still poor optics (not due to the housing, but due to the crap rebased HID bulb). People need to know what they're working with before start mucking around and making kung-pao HID setups. You cant just mix and match shit...

Look at the G35 owners that have reflector HID headlamps, they're not known for putting out a lot of light, even though they are HID.

Clearcorners should come out with a sister company that features affordable parts for broke losers.

Affordable options EXIST and are listed on the site. If you have an S13 Silvia, we have a beam pattern correction kit. If you have S13 w/ popups, we have Cibie E-code headlamps that run only 130 bucks. If you guys can afford to spend 40 on gas, and 200 on crappy sportmaxxx wheels, I'm sure you can spring 130 on some quality headlamps. Want them with bulbs? Another 40-50 will handle your bulbs. If thats too much, stock bulbs are still decent. Just stay away from BLUE coated PIAA junk.

Please people, READ the articles on the site: http://clearcorners.com/services
especially this one: http://clearcorners.com/services/0002/

I think if you switch your housings to ones without lines across the lense you will get less glare and a sharper cutoff. i also wanted to ask, are the 350z projectors shallow enough to retain the flip up/down function?

The horizontal lines barely do a thing to the beam pattern. Problem is, I wouldnt recommend 350Z projectors.. they're not known for good light output, plus, they're not full projectors. They partially use the side-reflectors. With that setup, you really dont use the total amount of light that the OE 350Z setup was designed to do.

Honestly, its a nice attempt at trying to have a nice HID setup... and I am sure it works and puts some good light out on the road. But, when you take into account all the work to do the conversion, appearance, mounting ballasts, relay/wiring harness, loss of high beams, shitty ebay housings......... in my honest opinion, you could have achieved a better setup simply by sticking with some Cibie e-codes + competition bulbs. A simple relay harness is all ya need, and I bet it would put out just as much light (maybe even more).

often times, people need to do less and instead, focus on quality parts that give you more.

cheers
mike / clearcorners.com

ThatGuy

11-28-2007, 02:38 PM

Excellent post Mike. Very informative and mature.

Who are you, and what have you done with angry Mike?

:keke:

celica3sgte94

11-28-2007, 02:42 PM

low and slow

11-28-2007, 02:45 PM

Any opinion on these?

http://www.amazon.com/PIAA-3051-P3000-Tri-Beam-Lamp/dp/B00067BU5G

FaLKoN240

11-28-2007, 02:45 PM

Blah, was gonna keep them a secret, but maybe someone will get them and then make a usable high beam for them...

http://norcalmr2.com/pegasus/

http://norcalmr2.com/pegasus-owners/

ixfxi

11-28-2007, 02:58 PM

Any opinion on these?

http://www.amazon.com/PIAA-3051-P3000-Tri-Beam-Lamp/dp/B00067BU5G

"PIAAs revolutionary patented design Tri-beam system represents the most advanced reflector technology available on the market today. One of the first truly functional multi beam lamps of its kind, the P3000 features a Plasma Ion Driving, Xtreme White Spot and a Plasma Ion Marker. Sensational style and performance!"

=

big pile of steaming dogshit

Blah, was gonna keep them a secret, but maybe someone will get them and then make a usable high beam for them...
http://norcalmr2.com/pegasus/
http://norcalmr2.com/pegasus-owners/

yes yes, an MR2 owner sent me this link many many months ago. this is one of those links that is better left a SECRET.

http://norcalmr2.com/pegasus/index-Images/57.jpg
look at the lighting pattern, why are there so many inconsistencies in the light emitted from those headlamps? look....

SoSideways

11-28-2007, 03:03 PM

http://norcalmr2.com/pegasus/index-Images/57.jpg
look at the lighting pattern, why are there so many inconsistencies in the light emitted from those headlamps? look....

Because........ big pile of steaming dogshit?

Hey Mike, was there ever a write up on the headlamp rewiring setup ever on this forum? Am probably going to pick up some Cibie 200mm lights from you soon, but want some extra power out of the headlights with the same power bulbs.

ZX88

11-28-2007, 03:14 PM

i have those housings they are not bad. they are glass, they don't leak, and they look pretty cool i like mine, only cost about 30 bucks about the same as hella replacements. lighting is ok it was better than the stock lights i had.

http://i52.photobucket.com/albums/g24/zx88/light%20fix/as32-1.jpg

ixfxi

11-28-2007, 03:28 PM

Am probably going to pick up some Cibie 200mm lights from you soon, but want some extra power out of the headlights with the same power bulbs.

A simple relay setup is all thats needed. Much like installing a stereo, a relay harness is something thats best if its custom made, not purchased. Most of the harnesses sold out there arent worth buying, fit and finish will always be generic with tons of excess wiring. Plus the relays are average.

We can build harnesses, but they're on the pricier side because:
1) heavy duty high temp wiring
2) weatherproof relays
3) OE connectors

electrical artwork, if its in the budget. honestly, if you're not running competition bulbs.. theres no dire need or requirement for a harness. i would only do a harness if:
1) you will run high wattage bulbs
2) you will eventually go with an hid system
3) you dont care and want the best

i run a harness in the wife's miata. why? because, the more juice i can give the bulbs the better. therefor, i built a 3 relay harness that handles low, high and foglamps.

bo2o

11-28-2007, 03:45 PM

just get reg housings.

most h4 hid bulbs give you a block off.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v411/bo2o/hid2.jpg

doesnt show a block on ther. but y switch to h7, when h7 doesnt have a high beam.

you you could buy this from me for 130 shipped.

h4 with halogen highbeam.
i kould also get h4 with out the high beam.

and ne other size.

120 without highbeam.
4300k,6000k, 8000k, 10000k, 12000k are the only colors i can get.
wishh i can get 2500k.

k

SoSideways

11-28-2007, 03:47 PM

just get reg housings.

most h4 hid bulbs give you a block off.

aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaand light spread still sucks.

ThatGuy

11-28-2007, 03:48 PM

"Block off" a.k.a. "Casper Shields" are JUNK.

Why do people keep recommending crappy solutions?

SochBAT

11-28-2007, 09:44 PM

"Block off" a.k.a. "Casper Shields" are JUNK.

Why do people keep recommending crappy solutions?

Why do you think people buy 240s? Keeping 240s janky, one owner at a time.

People should stop half-assing crap and do it right. Reason #1 of why 240s are shitty as shit = People don't want to 'waste money on unimportant things' like lighting.

Natural Selection.

Hello Barry!

vinhnumber

11-28-2007, 09:49 PM

1. Projectors in pop ups look like ass
2. The cut off is in a circle not as crisp as REAL projectors

You should just stick with the hella's and get glare shields from ebay from d2r to H4 if your gonna run Real hid's. Other wise If your gonna to run it with stock bulbs I'd think you'd be better off with the stock halogen's Because in the end your gonna still get shitty light output. Oh yeah and if you do, end up doing this, you'll just be another JANK 240 on the road. You could tell when somebody has done lighting Right or Not!

low and slow

11-28-2007, 09:55 PM

So what do you guys suggest, then?

vinhnumber

11-28-2007, 10:21 PM

So what do you guys suggest, then?

hella h4 lights from Justin at west co nissan, and D2r to h4 adapter shields from ebay Run around 30 bucks, D2R and D2S is the name of the newer HID bulbs from oem HID kits, and last of all aim your freaking headlights!

Bushido

11-28-2007, 11:04 PM

^ glare city.

vinhnumber

11-29-2007, 01:13 AM

^ glare city.

Not quiet so much, thats what the hella housings are for, they already have shields, and when you use the adapter it adds another shield, I have a cuttoff on my car, I could see it when I cruise along on the freeway and im next to the freeway dividers I have it aimed pretty low, its about half the divider (perfect), I never get high beamed at all. Glare city is when you buy those cheap china made hid's that come with the clear glare shield.

SoSideways

11-29-2007, 08:03 AM

^Then show us some pics of your holiness that is the uber shield.

BTW, your light spread probably still sucks.

vinhnumber

11-29-2007, 12:34 PM

ixfxi

11-29-2007, 01:02 PM

Here's a pic of the setup I had in my levin, I had OEM 2006 maxima hid's with the d2r to h4 adapter.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v492/vinhnumber5989/_DSC1758copy.jpg
Heres what the adapter looks like. THe little sleave that goes over the bulb.
http://hidconcept.com/gallery/H4/h4_1-s.jpg
Heres a pic of the cut off it shows, Note his lights are lower temp then mine. So thats why mine looks like regular sylvania bulbs
http://hidconcept.com/gallery/1xd2s/cutoffsmall1.jpg

I'll post pics of my other car when I find some extra time.

exactly.

you had OEM maxima ballasts and bulbs, but STILL had shit optics.

nice job, showing us stuff that still fucking fails.

i swear, i posted information and it seems reading comprehension is just something people cant do on this forum. you guys cant read, you cant click on pictures, i'm surprised you guys are even capable of taking a SHIT without someone holding your hands.

do you need me to draw a schematic with crayons and play music on a fisher price tape player? serious, how do you guys not understand this.... let me try one last time:

OPTICS MUST MATCH YOUR BULBS. In OTHER words, the CURTAINS must match the DRAPES. In other words, a girls pussy hair must match her hair. You cant be a blonde with dark colored poonanny hair, it doesnt match up.

Now that I've got your attention, the HEADLAMP ASSEMBLY, projector, reflector.. whatever you're trying to use, MUST match the bulb. If its a headlamp DESIGNED by an ENGINEER (not some ass fuck in china, india, mexico, or other untrained country) makes a system for H4 bulb, then you need an AUTHENTIC H4 bulb.

If a headlamp is xenon, it should use a OE xenon bulb (d2s, d2r, etc). BULBS and OPTICS must be from reputable vendors that specify either ECE or DOT compliant.

Rules:
- If it says a bunch of shit in foreign writing, stay away
- if its blue coated, stay away
- if it says 55w=110w, stay the fuck away
- anything RETROFIT grade, stay away

Like I said a BILLION times, you dont need HID and dont need to spend DUCKETS on your headlamps. 100-200 is all you need, period. You're best off staying away from ANYTHING HID if youre a "baller on a budget"

peace

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v411/bo2o/hid2.jpg

doesnt show a block on ther. but y switch to h7, when h7 doesnt have a high beam.

you you could buy this from me for 130 shipped.

h4 with halogen highbeam.
i kould also get h4 with out the high beam.

and ne other size.

120 without highbeam.
4300k,6000k, 8000k, 10000k, 12000k are the only colors i can get.
wishh i can get 2500k.
k

isnt there ANOTHER forum you can go to, in order to sell this cheap shit? no one gives the fuck about a shitty rebased xenon bulb with a shit blue coated bulb strapped to it.

who created that bulb, do you know? you're selling something, who makes it? do you even have a clue about focal alignment? please, tell me how that blue bulb is even remotely close to being aligned like an H4 dual filament bulb is.

stop selling cheap shit here, we're all stocked up.

ThatGuy

11-29-2007, 01:08 PM

ixfxi, Zilvia's resident LIGHTING EXPERT has spoken.

Everyone PLEASE pay attention.

The Sun once came to Mike to ask him if he could improve his lighting in any way. Once Mike was finished making the Sun feel like a complete noob, he filled him in on optics and helped him fix himself. Thus ended "The Dark Ages".

Thank you ixfxi!

SoSideways

11-29-2007, 01:10 PM

Oh god I missed shit like that these last few months when I was not able to visit this forum lol

vinhnumber

11-29-2007, 01:50 PM

KeepItBrutal.S13

11-29-2007, 01:53 PM

for 35 shipped i think thoughs lights would be good enough...
anything is better then stock

ixfxi

11-30-2007, 12:16 AM

Works for me, I still see further and wider then any halogen would, works for night driving as well. See through rain drops no problem...I rather have it like this then have light shooting everywhere. I pizza deliver and I could see the addresses much more clearer. When I had halogens I would have to turn on my high beams to see an address hahah. :mepoke: Doesn't make me want to change my setup at all! Much rather have these bulbs then the halogens, because I remember changing my halogens every 6 months. These I have yet to see any problems...OH yeah you'll have to run a 20 amp fuse and pull out the 10 amp, Whoever wants to run it this way. Or any xenon type bulb.

nice logic there... very smart

i have a question for you.......................

driving with high beams is great, you can see a lot, right? why arent you driving with those on ALL the time?

because it GLARES OTHER DRIVERS.

you have a " levin " front end, great - no one gives a fuck. this discussion isnt about what car you have, its about what to do and what NOT to do. in YOUR particular situation, you fucked up.. because you're running RHD headlamps in a country which is LHD. you further compounded the problem by boosting light output in ways the light was not designed to be used. in other words, you've got a lot more power with a lot less control. you need control, without it.. your lights emit a lot of glare. using a "glare shield, casper shield" or whatever the fuck they want to call it wont resolve the fact that the headlamp setup you have sucks balls.

guess what, i had a car just like yours roll by the shop. first thing we did was DUMP the HID kit that the previous owner had carelessly installed. now the owner cannot see well, but guess what.. thats a good thing. its better NOT to see than it is to see and glare everyone.

the solution? install some LHD headlamps OR, revert to stock.

i mean, you dont HAVE to do it. but since i'm a dick AND a know-it-all, i like to preach solutions that most people wont ever care to do. for instance, you're too lazy to do a LHD headlamp conversion with proper optics, and, you're definately too lazy to revert to stock.. because.... its stock. stock sucks, right?

whats wrong with people nowadays...

undesiredshoe

11-30-2007, 01:24 AM

Matej

11-30-2007, 01:39 AM

vinhnumber

11-30-2007, 01:46 AM

levin wasn't made in the US because the headlight requirement was too low, And thus the lighting is very dim to begin with like silvia. I'm not trying to show off my old car or anything, it was just that he asked for different headlight opinons, so I gave him some. Learn something new everyday I guess. Like I said I still don't get high beamed at all, So im sticking with it. I think we just have different views of Life. And thus the debate continues. I'm just saying if you have that kind money and your into that kind of stuff do it, other wise don't think twice about it. Or you'll end up worried and confused with yourself. I just like to see whats 15 feet away from me. Only time I see up in the trees is when light reflects off water.

I've already got like 12 pm's on my setup LAWLZ. Happy driving everyone!

PS: I took the hid's off before I traded the car, And sold them. So I think your talking about somebody elses car.

I am yet to see negitive rep from you guys. Esp: ixfxi

vinhnumber

11-30-2007, 01:59 AM

I could point my stock s13 flip ups up more and i bet i could see as many signs if not more than you can. You just think the headlights are brighter but really the beam just lights up at a higher angle. Its all an illusion!

I'm not looking for signs, esp not on deliveries, I'm looking for the number on the curbs. I don't see high at all, like I said only when light bounces off a puddle of water.

ixfxi

11-30-2007, 04:32 PM

I'm planning on installing HID's in Hellas or Cibies, I want to see well, I don't really care if I blind anyone. My tiny 240 is not physically threatening to anyone on the road, other than me, I've got to make up for it somehow haha. Tall trucks blind me daily and so do cars with factory HID's, at least it'll make me more visible to other drivers, maybe they'll slow down and drive carefully which is a natural reaction when one can't see well, then in a few seconds I'll pass them and they'll most likely never have to worry about seeing me again.

240 is not a small car, nor is it an SUV. Its normal sized.

It shouldnt matter if your car is big or small. What matters is one thing, go for good lighting or keep it stock.

Retrofitting ANY H4 popup headlamp with an HID kit is a stupid and bad idea. Read the article and see the difference before spending your hard earned money.

Anto

11-30-2007, 05:12 PM

Why are you guys even arguing, seriously?

Mike's not telling you what you want to hear, so you're trying to argue your point.

no.

xkamikazestormx

12-01-2007, 06:20 PM

SimpleSexy180

12-01-2007, 06:27 PM

so wait WHAT THE FUCK is the right way then kids?

anything other than stock k thanks.

Kinzer SR13gtR

12-01-2007, 06:37 PM

I once tried to purchase a set similar to these, for my 91 Eclipse GSX,
from a guy on ebay! Around the same price too!
He had a lot of positive feedback so i said... "F#@K IT "!!
He then emailed me saying his shipment was damaged and didnt know when he would get another!
He refunded me all my money!!

The way I see it... they're $35 bucks shipped!!
Even if you dont like them! Is that $$$ spent going to hurt you!!
They Should work really well with some good bulbs, (glass lenses vs plastic)
maybe in conjunction with an HID kit!

If you get'em...
give some feedback!!

ThatGuy

12-01-2007, 06:37 PM

The right way to do it is with a full HID Projector retro-fit, as has been mentioned here before.

Personally, swapping a projector into a 5x7 housing, looks retardedly stupid. The low-profile look of Clear Corners set-up is the best bet in my eyes. These are just my opinions though. Do what you like, as long as I don't have to drive it, or be blinded by it.

SimpleSexy180

12-01-2007, 06:40 PM

what are you guys trying to see? the deers hiding in the trees?

clean your windshields properly maybe you will get less glare kids.

ixfxi

12-01-2007, 07:51 PM

so wait WHAT THE FUCK is the right way then kids?

anything other than stock k thanks.

downshift180.........you've been around the forum WAY too long to be this much of a dumbass. the fucking answer is RIGHT above your fuckin head:
http://www.zilvia.net/f/showpost.php?p=1682188&postcount=84

This has to be one of the best posts so far.

Actually... i want to make another respond JUST for that post...brb

ixfxi

12-01-2007, 07:54 PM

do it the right way and retrofit it with HID projectors. not some shitty rebased bullshit.

ive personally used, cibie headlamps, then went to a H4 HID kit, and i actually went back to stock halogens because i was able to see a lot better.

just like people putting in a HID kit inside a silvia front end. you might THINK you see a lot but thats not true.

your bitching about how those lifted trucks headlights are glaring into your mirror but yet your saying you dont care if you blind anybody?

now i converted my car to the silvia front end but i retrofitted it with E46 M3 projectors and couldnt have been happier.

btw if you want to know how much of a difference in output it is, if you are in socal feel free to come down at night anytime and ill show it to you

wow, this is the perfect example of someone SMARTER AND YOUNGER (above) and someone DUMBER AND OLDER (below). 21 years old vs 26.

the guy above said everything right, and the guy below said everything wrong. I wont be surprised if the person above one day owns multiple properties and is successful, and the other guy below eats top ramen and still owns a broken down 240SX 50 years from now.

buy quality, buy once. the guy above atleast TRIED and removed, which i have done as well. but for those who shell out the money, dont test, dont read, dont research = you fail in life.

im proud my friend, good job. excellent reading comprehension.

I once tried to purchase a set similar to these, for my 91 Eclipse GSX,
from a guy on ebay! Around the same price too!
He had a lot of positive feedback so i said... "F#@K IT "!!
He then emailed me saying his shipment was damaged and didnt know when he would get another!
He refunded me all my money!!

The way I see it... they're $35 bucks shipped!!
Even if you dont like them! Is that $$$ spent going to hurt you!!
They Should work really well with some good bulbs, (glass lenses vs plastic)
maybe in conjunction with an HID kit!

If you get'em...
give some feedback!!

and for those who want to see a quality headlamp setup, just look around at any NORMAL vehicle.

for instance, want to see a quality HID setup? go look at pretty much any BMW and see how nice the light spread is.

want to see a quality halogen setup is? go look at an 01-05 miata, or just buy some hella h4 or cibie h4....... done

Kinzer SR13gtR

12-01-2007, 08:52 PM

AAAhahahahahaaaaaaaaa!!!!

THAT was funny!!

Yes he is smart kid,
agreed!!
Yes.. I made a dumb statement!!
Agreed again. But...
I do my research.
I looked for my 240 for 5 years, and researching proper mod's!
I have one of the cleanest 91 s13 examples...
UNTOUCHED, in Orlando Florida!
I personally believe in "do it right 1 time the first time!"

Properly designed optics, cutoffs/focus, beam pattern,
or "what-fukn-ever", Just does not happen with ebay crap! Modified/aftermarket is only better, given equal or better than oem quality, within oem specs! If you modify one part of a system, make sure it is going to work with the remaining unmodified system, the same as OEM does!
Otherwise modify it all, the right way! Not just part of it!

Sorry for not volunteering that info in my previous dumb statement!

SimpleSexy180

12-01-2007, 09:12 PM

downshift180.........you've been around the forum WAY too long to be this much of a dumbass. the fucking answer is RIGHT above your fuckin head:
http://www.zilvia.net/f/showpost.php?p=1682188&postcount=84

This has to be one of the best posts so far.

Actually... i want to make another respond JUST for that post...brb

my sarcasm doesnt work sometimes. i was in a bad mood reading this thread.

anyway i run h4 housing with sylvannias silver star? shit will always be better than my stock ass lights. I wanted to see white instead of a dim offwhite yellow in front of me.

Zhanshi

12-02-2007, 04:53 AM

The horizontal lines barely do a thing to the beam pattern. Problem is, I wouldnt recommend 350Z projectors.. they're not known for good light output, plus, they're not full projectors. They partially use the side-reflectors. With that setup, you really dont use the total amount of light that the OE 350Z setup was designed to do.

Honestly, its a nice attempt at trying to have a nice HID setup... and I am sure it works and puts some good light out on the road. But, when you take into account all the work to do the conversion, appearance, mounting ballasts, relay/wiring harness, loss of high beams, shitty ebay housings......... in my honest opinion, you could have achieved a better setup simply by sticking with some Cibie e-codes + competition bulbs. A simple relay harness is all ya need, and I bet it would put out just as much light (maybe even more).

often times, people need to do less and instead, focus on quality parts that give you more.

cheers
mike / clearcorners.com

Mike, what you've said is exactly what I learned from retrofitting the 350z projectors. I tried to do as much research as I could before finding the right parts to attempt a retrofit. It was only after I purchased the 350z projectors that I learned the beam pattern was composed of the 2 side reflectors in addition to the projector itself. By that time, I figured I would just finish up what I had.

In the process though, I came across a couple things that you keep repeating in your posts. (Which no one seems to take into account) Running e-code headlights with HIDs and the glare shield will not reduce a significant amount of glare. Non-projector HIDs (reflectors only) have been developed with the intent of running HIDs. Halogen housings are built for the use of halogen bulbs. Putting HIDs in halogen housings will not achieve the same effect regardless of a shield or not. (Focal points are different from what I've learned, Mike may want to correct me)

For the retrofit itself, I felt it was a nice learning experience for me. Even if it cost me more money than I would have wanted to spend. On the other hand I did learn more about lighting and the facts. As Mike has stated, a better setup for home brewed lighting is e-code housings, higher wattage bulbs, and a relay harness. Mike, I might take you up on the e-code housings and high wattage bulbs. I am actually running sealed beams at the moment. As soon as finals are done and I get a little more free time, I have a couple of questions to ask you about the harness and setup (recommended wire gauge, average current draw, etc.)

ixfxi

12-02-2007, 11:36 AM

http://clearcorners.com/services/0002/H4_HID_1.jpg

In the process though, I came across a couple things that you keep repeating in your posts. (Which no one seems to take into account) Running e-code headlights with HIDs and the glare shield will not reduce a significant amount of glare.

Correct. The "glare shield" is another useless name for a gimmick that does jack shit. Look at the above picture, BRAND NAME CIBIE H4 E-code housing, right? Bullshit H4 HID retrofit kit with a built in glare shield, casper shield, or whatever the fuck the riceboys who peddle this garbage from china call it.

Putting HIDs in halogen housings will not achieve the same effect regardless of a shield or not. (Focal points are different from what I've learned, Mike may want to correct me)

What you just said is a FACT. Its not so much about the focal point, its more about the actual lamp design. ALL of the optical characteristics between halogen and xenon are completely different. Therefor, save yourself the headache and just match the headlamp with the proper bulb. If you dont, you're fucking around. If its one thing I hate, are people who fuck around.

For the retrofit itself, I felt it was a nice learning experience for me. Even if it cost me more money than I would have wanted to spend. On the other hand I did learn more about lighting and the facts. As Mike has stated, a better setup for home brewed lighting is e-code housings, higher wattage bulbs, and a relay harness. Mike, I might take you up on the e-code housings and high wattage bulbs. I am actually running sealed beams at the moment. As soon as finals are done and I get a little more free time, I have a couple of questions to ask you about the harness and setup (recommended wire gauge, average current draw, etc.)

Thats right, a nice learning experience. So is school, and school costs money. And you just paid money, or wasted it.. dont know how you see it, but trial and error costs time and money. If you're happy, then great. But if you wanted to cut the bullshit, you could have just bought from a reputable company that sells a reputable product and asked all the questions you want. You would have gotten good answers, a great product, and could spend that extra time you lost getting a blowjob. ;-)

cheers

ixfxi

12-02-2007, 11:40 AM

http://clearcorners.com/services/0002/H4_OE_1.jpg

Spoon feeding............. because its too hard to read and click on an article, right? Anyway, the above pic is a stock h4 bulb in the Cibie housing, the below is a competition bulb. Its a good difference, unlike the bullshit 8-million-k HID GLARE KIT shown earlier.

http://clearcorners.com/services/0002/H4_Comp_1.jpg

My favorite is how you guys (including my dear friend Dave Longo) are dont even align your headlamps. You guys drive around with one light aimed to the floor, the other is emitting the bat signal into the night sky. Align your headlamps people. Make sure they arent rattling around with loose adjusters. Focus on that before you start boosting light 3-fold, with shitty HID retrofit kits.

Man 240 owners can really be disappointing

xkamikazestormx

12-02-2007, 01:04 PM

and for those who want to see a quality headlamp setup, just look around at any NORMAL vehicle.

for instance, want to see a quality HID setup? go look at pretty much any BMW and see how nice the light spread is.

want to see a quality halogen setup is? go look at an 01-05 miata, or just buy some hella h4 or cibie h4....... done

cibie h4 pwns. i sold it to my friend and he loves it. btw if you want to look at a quality halogen projector the 00+ toyota celica projectors are really good. nice spread and a beautiful cutoff.

Z33dori

12-02-2007, 01:07 PM

so what are the best head lights to buy to upgrade the pop up lights

soreballz

12-02-2007, 02:20 PM

^^Are you incapable of reading? Its been said MANY times in this thread.

2iv0 sx

12-02-2007, 02:21 PM

Z33dori

12-02-2007, 02:39 PM

thanks........

i guess i should search more on running HID kits with these lights.

xkamikazestormx

12-02-2007, 02:59 PM

You seriously asking that, its already been 4 pages now.

I'll be generous and tell you. Hella H4 E-Code or Cible H4 E-Code, done. I went with Hella e-code and never been happier with that upgrade! even w/out the proper adjustments!

People are trying to do way too much then what they need to. Retrofitting projectors into s13 pop up lights? IMO you are driving the wrong car to be wanting to retrofit projectors.

http://clearcorners.com/services/0002/ :bow:

IMO, cibie > hellas but its personal preference. retrofitting projectors into a pop up would be a pita which is the reason why i went with the silvia front end. and i got the dual projectors instead of bricks because it would be easier to retrofit duals than bricks

xkamikazestormx

12-02-2007, 03:00 PM

thanks........

i guess i should search more on running HID kits with these lights.

and do not run HID kit with them. they cause glare and the optics are NOT meant for running HIDs.

Z33dori

12-02-2007, 06:56 PM

and do not run HID kit with them. they cause glare and the optics are NOT meant for running HIDs.

wtf .....now what should i do....this sucks...

ThatGuy

12-02-2007, 07:06 PM

wtf .....now what should i do....this sucks...

Live and learn.

Next time do the research ahead of time. It takes longer, but typically costs less in the long run.

Z33dori

12-02-2007, 07:10 PM

well i havent bought anything yet...b/c i dont want to do this twice.....

but i dont know what to search to find what im looking for everything i type in brings up nothing...of brings up things ive already read through.

xkamikazestormx

12-02-2007, 07:40 PM

do not run HIDs unless you plan on doing a retrofit. if you get the cibies or hellas stay halogen.

ThatGuy

12-02-2007, 07:45 PM

projectRDM

12-02-2007, 07:54 PM

OH yeah you'll have to run a 20 amp fuse and pull out the 10 amp, Whoever wants to run it this way. Or any xenon type bulb.

And then watch as your car burns to the ground because the larger amperage fuse didn't blow, causing a short in the harness. Horrible idea.

Upgrade the wiring, add a relay. That's the only way to handle higher current.

xkamikazestormx

12-02-2007, 08:15 PM

The ONLY way, in my opinion, to run a proper High Intensity Discharge Lighting set-up with the 180sx/"pop-up" front end...

is the "low profile" method as seen on www.clearcorners.com.

Thanks for the pic Mike!

that is the only way. good to know some people in here know about lighting other than mike.

And then watch as your car burns to the ground because the larger amperage fuse didn't blow, causing a short in the harness. Horrible idea.

Upgrade the wiring, add a relay. That's the only way to handle higher current.

missed that part. replacing a fuse with a higher amperage is the most stupidest thing you can ever do. the reason it blows is because the wiring cant handle that amperage. like R240NA said, you replace it with a higher amperage, the fuse doesnt blow. so instead of you changing the fuse, your going to have to change out your harness. very very bad idea.

soreballz

12-02-2007, 08:49 PM

that is the only way. good to know some people in here know about lighting other than mike.

We know about proper lighting BECAUSE of Mike. lol

kandyflip445

12-02-2007, 09:35 PM

SochBAT

12-02-2007, 10:03 PM

Word up. Listen to Mike.

He's the Jesus of Lighting.

PS. BUTTS-Ecsman, how's NC treating ya?

rongfk

12-02-2007, 10:13 PM

The ONLY way, in my opinion, to run a proper High Intensity Discharge Lighting set-up with the 180sx/"pop-up" front end...

is the "low profile" method as seen on www.clearcorners.com (http://www.clearcorners.com).

http://www.clearcorners.com/products/nissan/240sx1/f_lowpro/Image02.jpg
Thanks for the pic Mike!

yes agreed, but not for no dam $2015 a kit!

ixfxi

12-02-2007, 10:14 PM

so what are the best head lights to buy to upgrade the pop up lights

die

thanks........

i guess i should search more on running HID kits with these lights.

die twice

well i havent bought anything yet...b/c i dont want to do this twice.....

but i dont know what to search to find what im looking for everything i type in brings up nothing...of brings up things ive already read through.

die NOW.

Zhanshi

12-02-2007, 10:32 PM

^ Seriously, all the info he needed was on this page too... It wasn't even a matter of searching anymore. Just scroll up and read.

Oh and Mike, I've always admired your work and had many things to ask, but I only found out a couple months ago that you posted here and were open to questions :-/

No blowjob for me :(

projekt_s13

12-02-2007, 10:36 PM

yes agreed, but not for no dam $2015 a kit!

You gotta pay to play.

kandyflip445

12-02-2007, 11:13 PM

Word up. Listen to Mike.

He's the Jesus of Lighting.

PS. BUTTS-Ecsman, how's NC treating ya?

It's going good out here. I'm loving the area. Still gotta meet up with Phlip and pick up my injectors. I've been busy working and trying to catch up on bills after moving. ><

And now if I ever get those lights from Mike I have to drive from NC to CA. ><

I've done it before though. :D

rongfk

12-02-2007, 11:34 PM

You gotta pay to play.

yea tell me about it. i might have to go get some lazer eye sergery to see better, then to upgrade my headlights the right way, cauz it might be cheeper....lol

Anto

12-03-2007, 04:10 AM

http://img523.imageshack.us/img523/9283/img0754pq8.jpg

http://img254.imageshack.us/img254/7875/img0755gh5.jpg

Hella H4 housings, Driver side bulb is a Newly replaced Sylvania Xtravision +20%, Passenger side is an older Hella +50%. You can see the effect of old bulbs compared to newer ones.

Short of HID's

I'm happy

Car is on a slant by the way.

Clawhammer

12-03-2007, 11:40 AM

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f311/rojoloco/car%20crap/Mad%20Mike%20visit/Day%203/Day3jpg101.jpg

opponheimer

12-03-2007, 12:10 PM

http://i50.photobucket.com/albums/f311/rojoloco/car%20crap/Mad%20Mike%20visit/Day%203/Day3jpg101.jpg

what the hell is the point of that?

GODFATHER

12-03-2007, 12:15 PM

ixfxi

12-03-2007, 02:31 PM

what the hell is the point of that?

rally, you tool.

ixfxi

12-03-2007, 02:32 PM

Ummmmmm..... Yeah!!!! These are the shit dont care what the majority say!!!! Bright as fuck very functional!!!! And they look damn good....

On my car....
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q107/salvagedpleasure/1991%20Nissan/240sx04.jpg

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q107/salvagedpleasure/1991%20Nissan/240sx03.jpg

OH SNAP!

i thought TSW's were dead! i should've known better................. KANSAS baby!

http://www.tsw.com/img/vx1_chrome_reg_normal_black.jpg

some things are timeless......... TE37.......... 180SX 96-98 taillamps................. TSW's are not one of those things. :-)

GODFATHER

12-03-2007, 02:38 PM

Dont worry they are on their way out LOL!!!! They worked for the moment though LMMFAO!!!!

GODFATHER

12-03-2007, 02:39 PM

Im trying to figure out what would look best with the new look....

projekt_s13

12-03-2007, 02:44 PM

At first i thought they were SRT-4 Rims,lol

Glad YOU like those headlights.

http://www.usaraud.ee/ajuvant/dodge/srt4_1.jpg

ixfxi

12-03-2007, 02:49 PM

Im trying to figure out what would look best with the new look....

uhm

something that makes YOU happy?

just a thought.... :-)

ps: dont forget to swap in some real optics into those foglamp.... err, pseudo-headlamps.

GODFATHER

12-03-2007, 02:58 PM

uhm

something that makes YOU happy?

just a thought.... :-)

ps: dont forget to swap in some real optics into those foglamp.... err, pseudo-headlamps.

Trust me they arent fog lamps by any means LOL!!!!:coolugh:

ThatGuy

12-03-2007, 03:15 PM

So what did you use, Mr. Vague?

The lights that come with those housings are typically CRAP.

Z_Spool

12-03-2007, 06:05 PM

Posted here for more input:
Hey, just thought I'd get your input... i'm going to be building a set of head lights for my pignose using a halogen projector (Low) and a halogen bucket (High). Now I've heard HID's through a halogen progector is a no-no, so I'm wondering what a good low beam bulb alternative would be. It uses an H11 type bulb. (in case it matters)

xkamikazestormx

12-03-2007, 08:15 PM

Z33dori

12-03-2007, 09:40 PM

well i just order some of the H4 lamps from the vendor on here.

ixfxi

12-03-2007, 11:44 PM

well i just order some of the H4 lamps from the vendor on here.

YAY! I made a sale! :-)

PoorMans180SX

12-04-2007, 01:55 PM

http://www.piaa.com/Lamps/Lamp-pages/p-3000.html

http://www.piaa.com/Lamps/Lamp-images/p-3000.gif

I think I'm going to do these with the lights as low as I can get them over the top aka "sleepy eye". Might not be legal some places, and it won't go up and down still, but I like the look anyway. And you actually have dims and brights.

ThatGuy

12-04-2007, 02:23 PM

Cue ixfxi rant about PIAA "quality".

Ready....

ATTACK!

SW20Racer

12-04-2007, 02:31 PM

this should be like watching a pack of pugs rape a christmas ham

axiomatik

12-04-2007, 02:40 PM

"not legal some places"?

how about not legal anywhere.

PoorMans180SX

12-04-2007, 02:42 PM

Snap...

Hella maybe?

ThatGuy

12-04-2007, 02:53 PM

Fog Lights/Driving Lights are NOT legal for use in place of Headlights. Anywhere, at any time.

GSXRJJordan

12-04-2007, 03:21 PM

I'm surprised no one has brought up the Hella 90mm or Hella 50mm units ~ there was a white hatch (found him - s13driver) I believe that used 2 high beams and 2 low beams under his pop ups for a "perma-sleepy" look, but it admittedly didn't look as low or as nice as the Clear Corners units (go Mike!).

S13driver's car - circa 2004 it looks like
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v282/s13driver/S13lights/PIC00003a.jpg

This is one of those things I'll probably do to my car once I feel it needs to be "different" than everyone else's S13. Till then, its a few hundred $$$ I can put towards getting Mike a Do Luck front bumper lol.

http://www.rallylights.com/hella/50mm_modules.asp
http://www.rallylights.com/hella/90mm_modules.asp

Edit: I wanted to make sure the 55W halogen would be enough light, so I looked for pics of cars that use em. Looks like the 90mm ones are what you see for "driving lights" on all the Le Mans cars... guess they're bright enough.
http://www.hella.com/produktion/HellaResources/WebSite/HellaResources/Internet_Picture/USA/Consumers/General/CreationCA06H_12.jpg

My personal favorite car evarrrrrr... the C6R
http://www.hella.com/produktion/HellaResources/WebSite/HellaResources/Internet_Picture/USA/Consumers/General/CorvetteC6R_3.jpg

axiomatik

12-04-2007, 04:35 PM

actually, those have been discussed. those are the same units used in the clearcorners 'kit' (or at least, used to. clearcorners used to offer a halogen version of the kit. apparently mike only does the HID version now). I also mentioned that someone with enough fab skills could replicate the clearcorners kit by buying the hella modules by themselves.

Bushido

12-04-2007, 06:06 PM

yeah. look up JDM rice.I believe he was the first one to have that set up. done by clear corners too if i'm not mistaken...

HaLo

12-04-2007, 07:08 PM

I was one of the few that had that setup on my car... but i was lucky enough that mike gave me a hand. btw... my setup might be for sale soon... it was halogen with hella 90mm projectors...

PoorMans180SX

12-04-2007, 07:17 PM

Fog Lights/Driving Lights are NOT legal for use in place of Headlights. Anywhere, at any time.

I was speaking of the quality. I take it Hella is better? I believe anything is legal in Michigan as long as it's not over 60watts for high-beams and 40watts for low beams...I think...I need to look that up again.

swayray

12-04-2007, 07:28 PM

SoSideways

12-05-2007, 07:55 AM

these are crap... they don't even work well w/ my Halo HIDS at 4300k...

You missed the entire thread didn't you?

fromxtor

12-05-2007, 09:32 AM

Dear god of headlights,

Which bulbs would be a good upgrade for my S15 headlights(non HID), and in the future would it be a good idea to do a HID retro-fit or could I just find some S15 HID projectors and ballasts and use them?

SoSideways

12-05-2007, 09:41 AM

If you can, get the S2000 or TSX projector housings and lense, they're pretty much 2 of the best ones to use for retrofits.

xkamikazestormx

12-05-2007, 03:21 PM

the only way to upgrade the s15headlights would be a retrofit. bulbs and OEM HID projectors wont do you any good if the cutoff is going the other way

ixfxi

12-05-2007, 07:18 PM

the only way to upgrade the s15headlights would be a retrofit. bulbs and OEM HID projectors wont do you any good if the cutoff is going the other way

not exactly...

there are various ways to attaining a quality xenon setup with the OE s15 headlamps, halogen or xenon. both have pros and cons which should be taken into careful consideration.

-m

fromxtor

12-06-2007, 11:48 AM

Mike, pm me the pros and cons please. :D

Z_Spool

12-06-2007, 07:04 PM

Does anyone have a reccomendation on bulbs with a high light output for halogen projectors? I heard HID setups in projectors designed for halogen produces a lot of glare. They're H11 bulbs in case it matters. I had used siverstars in my old Accent, and they were crap. Looking for a 4300k-5000k-esque look

xkamikazestormx

12-19-2007, 12:28 AM

not exactly...

there are various ways to attaining a quality xenon setup with the OE s15 headlamps, halogen or xenon. both have pros and cons which should be taken into careful consideration.

-m

but you would have to fix the RHD cutoff. what exactly would be the pros and cons mike?

HyperTek

12-19-2007, 01:07 AM

back in teh daysaurus rex
super jdm... dont think they make these anymore, im not sure, raybrig stuff isnt really sold much out here.. with silverstar bulbs
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v72/streetphase/000_0006.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v72/streetphase/lights1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v72/streetphase/lights2.jpg

I liked it.. it worked great.. loved it.. no complaints
sure it points to the wrong side

2iv0 sx

12-19-2007, 01:13 AM

Wow I forgot about those Raybrig lamps seems impossible to come across

I need to adjust my lamps already...

ixfxi

12-19-2007, 05:05 PM

Mike, pm me the pros and cons please. :D

but you would have to fix the RHD cutoff. what exactly would be the pros and cons mike?

i cant get into this discussion at the moment, since im currently working on some new lighting options for the s15.

Wow I forgot about those Raybrig lamps seems impossible to come across

thats because they SUCK. raybrig is garbage.

wonkuuzenki

12-19-2007, 07:18 PM

Raybrig is garbage why?
just trying to get some information because i heard they make good products.

HyperTek

12-23-2007, 11:55 AM

the Raybrigs have a very nice light output.. nicer field of view then the Hella H4 housings i got on my new whip.. I think people might not like raybrig because they are kinda "japan" only company, i dont think they really market outside of japan so initial thought is that they are not as big/distributed as Hella/bosch etc.

smelly240

12-23-2007, 06:55 PM

i have some purple raybrig bulbs in some gauges i used to run...

quick "?" - what is the deal with cars that have oem HID setups without projectors?

without a projector are they effective?

i can vouch for 03 g35 headlights being shitty. 06 housings are far superior (and they were like 250$ on a board)

blackrms13

12-23-2007, 09:13 PM

i know on the Prius, they have some shield to "have" the cut off

thats all i know...haha

Z_Spool

12-23-2007, 10:36 PM

^casper shield ftl. :(

sideview_180sx

01-06-2008, 04:56 AM

its also because raybrig lamps are meant for rhd roads. if they made a set for lhd roads output would be even better. I remember when hypertek had those, brighter then hell, had they been lhd-spec i could only imagine.

xkamikazestormx

01-06-2008, 12:21 PM

maybe its brigher than hell cause it produces a lot of glare?

and reflector hid setup uses a d2r bulb instead of a d2s. has a little coating on the bulb to reduce glare

SILVIA_KIDs14.5

01-07-2008, 09:55 AM

Ugh. Fake Carbon Fiber and "Angel Eye" lamps.

PURE CRAP!
never said there were quality or evey real i mean come one

rongfk

01-28-2008, 09:14 PM

i think im going to end up doing some custom retrofited j30 dual projectors in my pop ups. i just have to figure out how to modify the pop up's to only go up half way when turned on. any ideas?

Kuzumi

01-28-2008, 11:16 PM

cut the arms so that it cant travek as far? or adjust them so that the travel is not as long

sillyvia13

01-28-2008, 11:47 PM

YOU GUYS REALLY SHED SOME LIGHT ON THIS...
I will stay with my oem headlights thanks...work fine...
$2000k for fuking lights...I need to make a business move...
People will buy anything, as long as Zilvia gods allow it!

rongfk

01-29-2008, 07:05 AM

cut the arms so that it cant travek as far? or adjust them so that the travel is not as long

ill check that out, but wouldnd it make the lids fall down lower than normal when closed?

SoSideways

01-29-2008, 08:39 AM

i think im going to end up doing some custom retrofited j30 dual projectors in my pop ups. i just have to figure out how to modify the pop up's to only go up half way when turned on. any ideas?

As far as I know, J30 projectors suck.

Are you doing HID projector retrofits, or just halogen projector retrofits?

rongfk

01-29-2008, 06:15 PM

As far as I know, J30 projectors suck.

Are you doing HID projector retrofits, or just halogen projector retrofits?

whats the difference, the housings? are you asking in regards to bulb set up, or was that like a factory option? as far as i know they are halogen, but after the retrofit, i might upgrade to HID with one of the kits. ill take pic's and if the outcome is good in my opinion, ill do a right-up. either way, ill take pic's and post in this thread when i finish. i looked for info on this particular retrofit, but all i could find was some talk about someone doing it, but no pics.

SoSideways

01-30-2008, 10:20 AM

.....

Did you read through this entire thread?

Because if you did, you would have saw that an HID projector housing has completely different optics than a halogen projector housing.

A halogen bulb has completely different focal points than HID bulbs, thus if you stick an HID bulb into a halogen housing, you'd have shit for lights.

rongfk

01-31-2008, 07:27 PM

why yes, yes i did. and there wasn't any information distinguishing the two...as far as focal point in a projector.

OK, here is my 93 j30 projector installed in my s13 pop up housing. fitment as pictured is good, but i might go in some more. it is centered right now but i might move the projector up, and adjust the lights to pop up half way only. i used tape in the picture to fill in the empty space to give a better idea. lights are still in a mock up stage. when i decide whether to go up or center with the projector, ill mold a fiberglass surrounding.

http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/7849/p1020344yj1.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://my.imageshack.us/v_images.php)
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/3927/p1020349qy3.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://my.imageshack.us/v_images.php)
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/1289/p1020345ep8.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://my.imageshack.us/v_images.php)
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/6228/p1020348ri1.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://my.imageshack.us/v_images.php)
http://img504.imageshack.us/img504/5499/p1020346nz5.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://my.imageshack.us/v_images.php)

xkamikazestormx

01-31-2008, 09:12 PM

your gonna need something to cover the projector up since they arent sealed

rongfk

01-31-2008, 09:28 PM

i figured id take them apart and use silicone to sill all the pieces together to keep water/moisture out. like where the lens is and in the middle. other than that, what else could i do?

is anyone able to tell if these are hid or halogen projectors from these pic's? whats the differance between the two? how can i tell?

oh, also does anyone have any pictures of these lights lit up?

BustedS13

01-31-2008, 09:52 PM

kingkilburn

01-31-2008, 09:58 PM

Shouldn't you put like a plastic or glass cover of some sort.
Like this but for the pop-ups
http://www.garage-13.com/images/s13clearlenses.jpg

rongfk

01-31-2008, 10:01 PM

^if i can find something that will fit , i will do that too.

xkamikazestormx

02-01-2008, 01:16 AM

alright, so if i wanted the cleanest cutoff possible without an HID what conversion would i want? yeah that's right, i'm not searching jack

DOT doesn't matter

hella "european conversion"? which i'm guessing is the e code? or what?
yeah i'm definitely not searching

search!!! j/k

get cibie e-codes 200mm.

^if i can find something that will fit , i will do that too.

make your own out of lexan

xkamikazestormx

02-01-2008, 01:17 AM

btw those are halogen projectors

axiomatik

02-01-2008, 07:17 AM

alright, so if i wanted the cleanest cutoff possible without an HID what conversion would i want? yeah that's right, i'm not searching jack

DOT doesn't matter

hella "european conversion"? which i'm guessing is the e code? or what?
yeah i'm definitely not searching

you don't have to search, just read the thread. cibie's will give you the best performance. Hella E-codes are also quite good for about half the price, but apparently the hella's aren't quite as nice as the cibie's.

rongfk

02-01-2008, 06:08 PM

btw those are halogen projectors

how can you tell? what distinguishes them?

xkamikazestormx

02-01-2008, 07:16 PM

they dont have d2s bulbs in them ...

rongfk

02-01-2008, 09:12 PM

i found this and thought it might shed some light on some questions.

Headlights - Hella E-Code vs. Vision Plus Headlight upgrades and HID retrofit comparison
Written 11/18/05. Updated 12/2/05, 12/5/05.
Pictures and text by Steve Yee.
Note - this is still a work in progress.
This article was originally written to accomplish two things. One is to compare DOT versus European Code reflector based headlight technology, the other is to show a light pattern involving a retrofit of an HID Low Beam Only unit using European Code reflector technology.
Instead, it ended up being a whole series of articles, ranging from simple headlight upgrades to HID retrofits.
Background:
The Hummer H1's lighting system is really basic. Originally designed to use the 7" sealed beam headlamps, the lamp system can be easily upgraded to any modern reflector based headlamp system that can directly replace the 7" round sealed beam lamp.
Thanks to the wide proliferation of vehicles that use this headlamp style, Hella and other manufacturers make a direct replacement that can make huge differences in the lighting pattern of your vehicle.
Types:
There are two main definitions for headlamp use. One is the Department of Transportation, and their infamous FMVSS 108 specification. The DOT specification covers the U.S., Canada, and Mexico.
The other is the European regulatory code (E-Code for short). There's different rules set up for right and left hand drive countries, along with specific regulations that can be country specific. Ironically, countries like Japan, Australia, and some of the African countries also conform to E-Code rules.
Both rules realistically define how the light pattern should look like and how it works.
There's also two types of optical technology that headlights are based upon. Reflector and Projector.
http://72.215.196.56/hummers/headlights/Headlight_reflector_optics_schematic.png
This is a diagram of what a basic reflector headlight assembly looks like.
http://72.215.196.56/hummers/headlights/Headlight_projector_schematic.png
And this is what a projector based headlight assembly looks like. Note that the projector assembly utilizes optical glass to help focus the light to where it needs to be.
Regulatory and controversy:
The controversy ensues when you compare E-Code style headlamps to DOT spec headlamps. There's additional controversy when you compare the headlight standards and rules between E-Code and DOT.
It's been a well documented and complained about issue that many DOT specification headlamps cause glare. It's a complaint that gets exacerbated when a owner runs brighter than spec headlamp bulbs or an improperly aimed HID headlamp conversion.
E-Code headlamps are specifically aimed with frensel cuts in the glass (reflector based) or with specialized optics (projector) to direct the light where it's needed - on the road. Depending on the specific European area, your pattern will slide upwards on the right or left hand side to light up street signs and pedestrians. Left hand drive E-Code lamps will beam a pattern up to the right.
From a technical and legalistic standpoint, headlights are supposed to provide light "below horizontal" and left or right of center, depending on your country. Glare light is light that is above horizonal and towards oncoming traffic (in the United States, that means it's above horizontal and left of center).
In the United States, the standard for "Glare light" has been rather loose. Based on older technology, the rules in FMVSS 108 has had higher glare limits than what's been allowed in Europe, but technology and headlight brightness wasn't at it's peak yet. Once headlight technology has improved, glare light has been showing up more and more.
In Europe, Glare light has been reduced down to nearly nothing. You NEVER hear of headlight glare from HID or Halogen bulbs in Europe. This is because headlight rules have been tweaked and have evolved to where it's set up for oncoming driver safety and proper lighting of the road ahead of the vehicle.
You also need to be aware of rules from a locale-based regulatory standpoint. There are some states that may regulate the headlight style. This basically means you will need to run a DOT spec headlamp with aiming lugs. You are then restricted to Hella Vision Plus replacement reflectors or sealed beams that have aiming lugs on them.
If you live in a state in which they don't care - you can use the Hella E-Code reflector.
Actual Patterns:
Below are some shots taken with a Canon EOS Digital Rebel camera. The camera was placed in Shutter Priority mode to allow two types of shots - a low shutter speed shot to show coverage, and a high shutter speed shot to produce a beam pattern. All pictures were taken from the driver's seat of an H1.
The patterns shown begin with a comparison between the Hella E-Code (left side beam) and the Hella Vision Plus (right side beam).
http://72.215.196.56/hummers/headlights/hella_ecode_visionplus_comparison.jpg
This picture is taken to show the initial pattern. As you can see, the E-Code pattern (on the left) has a more even pattern of light than the right hand side (which is the DOT spec Vision Plus). The Vision Plus pattern even has a hot spot that is clearly visible and takes away lighting from the peripherial areas.
http://72.215.196.56/hummers/headlights/hella_ecode_visionplus_comparison_coverage.jpg
Here's a shot of the actual coverage. As you can see, there's a pattern sweeping up towards the right hand side with the E-Code reflector. The Vision Plus reflector has a cutoff point to prevent blinding oncoming traffic, but it's more of a generic pattern.
http://72.215.196.56/hummers/headlights/hella_ecode_pattern_only.jpg
Here's a shot of an E-Code pattern only. Note the clear cutoff, no hot spots (very even light pattern), and the fact that there's no upward light leakage.
http://72.215.196.56/hummers/headlights/hella_ecode_coverage.jpg
And, the E-Code coverage. Note the overwhelming majority of light aimed where it needs to be - down towards where the road should be normally at if the garage door wasn't there.
Also note the actual upsweep of the cutoff towards the right. This lights up the sidewalk and street sign area.
Now, here's a comparison with a McCulloch 5th Generation HID kit using the Hella E-Code reflectors.
http://72.215.196.56/hummers/headlights/hella_ecode_hid_pattern.jpg
Here's the Hella E-Codes with McCulloch HID H4 Low Beam only units installed (5000k bulb temp). Note the pattern is very similar to the Halogen lamp, but far brighter. This is due to HID's putting out 3x the light than a stock Halogen bulb can produce.
Also note that there's no hot spots per-se. You'll also notice that the side coverage has increased quite a bit. And you still see the upward sweep of light to the right.
http://72.215.196.56/hummers/headlights/hella_ecode_coverage_hid_2.jpg
And here's the coverage pattern with the HID's. It's producing enough light that the bounceback is showing up as glare on the windshield.
http://72.215.196.56/hummers/headlights/hella_ecode_coverage_hid.jpg
And here's a shot of HID's that's a bit further away from the garage door. Note the even pattern of lighting with no hot spots. It still has a clear line that's shown that would not hurt oncoming traffic if the bulbs were aimed properly. This shot was stepped down with shutter priority to show coverage area and beam pattern. This is why many people will go with an HID configuration with good quality headlight reflectors or projectors - it provides superior lighting for a wide variety of conditions.
In comparison, here's a first generation Sylvania X6024 H4 HID setup that's DOT compliant.
http://72.215.196.56/hummers/headlights/CIMG2868.JPG
(Picture from RedHummer.com and Allan Madar)
Note the hot spots and the lighting pattern that 'humps' upwards. Very different pattern than what the E-Codes provide.
Color charts and comparing lighting technology from a scientific standpoint.
http://72.215.196.56/hummers/headlights/colortemp.jpg
This chart shown above is what I call a temp chart. It shows the temperature (in Kelvin) of the most common variants of lighting. Most factory HID lamps from auto manufacturers are in the 4100 to 5000 Kelvin range.
http://72.215.196.56/hummers/headlights/kelvin1.jpg
This next chart shows the brightness of Halogen (at stock wattage) versus HID's in 4200K, 6000K, 7500K, and 10000K color temps. Note the fact that 10000K HID's are just somewhat brighter than stock Halogen bulbs. An overwattage Halogen bulb would likely produce MORE light than an HID bulb at 10000K.
Most aftermarket HID's start at 5000K.
http://72.215.196.56/hummers/headlights/lumens.gif
And this chart shows the efficiency of the lighting technology foun today. HID lamps (Metal Halide) is pretty efficient. Compare that to incandescent (filament based lamps) at 8%.
Resources:
www.rallylights.com (http://www.rallylights.com) (Hella H4 Reflectors)
Rush Motorsports (McCulloch HID kit)
FJRTech.com (they provided some resource information for this writeup)
Daniel Stern Lighting - Daniel Stern is one of the experts in headlight technology on the internet.

Here's an example of HID bulbs in a reflector base
http://www.imagestation.com/picture/sraid78/p483d6fec1d08dfaea8d2caa0cd7eb586/fb291d25.jpg

Here's an example of HID in the wrong projector base (xB)
http://i14.photobucket.com/albums/a305/FrankenScion/100_0681.jpg

Here's an example of a real HID setup complete with retrofit
http://www.audiworld.com/tech/pix/s4hid13.jpg
This is how it's done.
Beautiful:
http://www.pbase.com/image/23113242/original.jpg

Photos of my H1 D2S HID retrofit into my Projektzwo Dual Round headlights (same as Hella Dual rounds internally)

Before. This is the light pattern of the stock 55w Halogen low beams in E-spec projector housings.
http://www.houseofthud.com/cartech/hids/hid-halogen.jpg
Digital camera settings (1/15th second F-4.4 Flash WB no flash)
The black marks on the wall are my headlight aiming marks.
After. I modified the Hella low beam projector as per the instructions on the previous page (http://www.houseofthud.com/cartech/hids/index.html)
to eliminate the upward flare on the left light, and installed the HIDs. Here's the result.
http://www.houseofthud.com/cartech/hids/hid-final.jpg
(1/15th, F-4.4 Flash WB)
We can see that the cutoff is quite sharp, it's much brighter (nearly 2 stops according to the camera, which is between 3
and 4 times as bright), the leftside flare is eliminated and the right side flare has been truncated
to try to minimize glare for other drivers. There's also a bunch more light cast out to the side, which is a
big part of the reason I did this (after hitting 2 deer) However.. Notice that there is still some light cast above
the horizontal cutoff. Looking at the lights from the outside, it was obvious why. I've got clear
plastic impact protection over the headlight lenses. They've done their job well, but are quite scratched, beaten
and bruised. They're causing the light to scatter and the HIDs really show it off.

I removed the old clear protectors, cleaned the lenses and installed new ones. Here's the result.
http://www.houseofthud.com/cartech/hids/hid-final-clean.jpg
(1/15th F-4.4 Flash WB)
Wow! Notice the glare above the horizontal cutoff is virtually eliminated.
Here's how it looks outside.
http://www.houseofthud.com/cartech/hids/hid-front.jpg

So let's see how it puts light down.
This photo was taken in a parking lot to show some sense of distance. (lights off, lights on)
http://www.houseofthud.com/cartech/hids/hid-parkinglot1.jpg

Next one shows difference between lows and lows+highs.. fence is 150 feet away or so.
(BTW, lights are not aimed quite that high, I founda spot in the parking lot that had
a hump slight hump to park on so the cutoff would show on the fence at that distance)
http://www.houseofthud.com/cartech/hids/hid-parkinglot2-hi.jpg
Next shows the difference looking at the lights from below and above the cutoff.
Identical camera settings in each case. One shot at ankle height the other at belly button height.
http://www.houseofthud.com/cartech/hids/hids-glare.jpg
Next two are road shots..
First one is a far off sign lit by the right side upward flare. Sign gives idea of distance.
http://www.houseofthud.com/cartech/hids/hid-farsign.jpg
And the last is a shot with lows and highs both on, looking WAY down the road.
http://www.houseofthud.com/cartech/hids/hid-highbeams.jpg
Only thing left to do is put some higher wattage H3 bulbs in the high beams to help
fill in the light at a distance. To give an idea why, here's a shot with
just the high beams on, and then the lows and highs together.
http://www.houseofthud.com/cartech/hids/hid-hi-low.jpg
Notice how the signs are lit up in the distance.. That's the high beams, but
otherwise they can't hold a candle to the HIDs, so to speak. I feel comfortable
going with higher wattage high beams because they're not *meant* to be on when there's
oncoming cares, so it doesn't really matter if they're over DOT wattage.

Alot of "Projector" headlights really aren't reall projectors. They are H4 Diamond cut headlights, with a magnafine glass infront of the bulb. Quite cheap! Reall projectors...like the one I just showed you, is kinda shaped like a ice cream cone. The bulbs used in fog lights are H3 Bulbs, which are single beam. But how they are built, is so that it gives off two directional beams towards the crome part, and ends up comming out as a horizontal line. ITs all about how the bulb is made and how big. H3 bulbs are also very smallso they are closer to the inner part of the reflective area and makes the light beams closer together. an H4 inside a projector housing with a OEM BMW or Lexus lens would work like a charm if in a big enough projector housing, like the one I found on ebay for 65 shipped.
Attached Imageshttp://www.mp3car.com/vbulletin/attachments/fabrication/8016d1105263737-making-projector-headlights-projector.jpg

xkamikazestormx

02-01-2008, 09:49 PM

ok .. the 1st part having to do with the difference btwn reflector and projector type is correct. but the pictures ...

the blue area is called GLARE. the red area is called a hotspot.

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e282/kamikazestorm420/hella_ecode_coverage_hid_2.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e282/kamikazestorm420/CIMG2868.jpg

so in conclusion ... that source fails by saying h4 hids in a e-code housing is better. how do i know?

i went from stock sealed beams to ebay housings, to cibie halogens, h4 hid kit in cibie housing, to actual e46 ece retrofit.

the improvement is INSANE.

you know what ... just for YOU (since i was going to stay home today), in a bit, ill go drive outside, find a good spot to take pictures of my retrofit and post it up. so you can see the color, sharp cutoff, no glare. how hids SHOULD be.

btw my projectors are e46 ece's and those are the cheapest projector hence the reason why i got them. the tsx, s2000 will outperform them anyday.

rongfk

02-03-2008, 03:52 PM

rough idea with it installed. its just sitting in there, not bolted.

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/5568/p1020350mf9.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://my.imageshack.us/v_images.php)
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/7091/p1020353mt9.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://my.imageshack.us/v_images.php)
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/8341/p1020356vf3.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://my.imageshack.us/v_images.php)
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/9226/p1020351ym6.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://my.imageshack.us/v_images.php)
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/5945/p1020352dy9.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://my.imageshack.us/v_images.php)
http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/9838/p1020354ab5.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://my.imageshack.us/v_images.php)

how's it look?

JVD

02-03-2008, 04:07 PM

They need to be sleepy and mounted higher up. Looks weird like that. Too much open space.

rongfk

02-03-2008, 05:04 PM

yea, that is what i plan to do. i just need to find some more time to play with them.

xkamikazestormx

02-03-2008, 11:39 PM

btw these are the pics i took that one day. (note the glare to the side of the car is from the fogs on my silvia front end)

http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e282/kamikazestorm420/DSC00273.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e282/kamikazestorm420/DSC00271.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e282/kamikazestorm420/DSC00266.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e282/kamikazestorm420/DSC00263.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e282/kamikazestorm420/DSC00256.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e282/kamikazestorm420/DSC00272.jpg
http://i41.photobucket.com/albums/e282/kamikazestorm420/DSC00260.jpg

rongfk

02-07-2008, 07:33 PM

looks good. what kind of projectors? stock?

xkamikazestormx

02-07-2008, 07:37 PM

they are bosch ece xenon projectors (bmw)

Tearlessj

02-07-2008, 08:02 PM

Can you post some pics of the set up?

xkamikazestormx

02-07-2008, 08:19 PM

what kind of pics are you looking for?

Pepperoni

02-07-2008, 09:35 PM

Good thread guys; just wanted to add some more pics of H4 HID "drop in kits" that are available from various vendors. I've seen a lot of posts of people praising their HID drop in kits, but failed to acknowledge how bad they really are.

Everyone knows about the glare from putting in these H4 HID bulbs, but I had the opportunity to test out two different H4 drop in kits in my neighbor's S13. I'll only post one set of pics since they both looked exactly the same. I'm not mentioning company names, just posting information.

S13 w/H4 Cibie replica headlight housings.

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/3434/pic0039er4.jpg
^Blurry pic, but enough to show my points. You can see that the light just kind of just... shoots everywhere.
I really don't know how others who purchased similar kits could drive like this. Yeah you can.. sort of.. see, but do you see that sign on the road on the right? Yep, I'm the one brightly lighting it up. I tried aiming the headlights very low, but it doesn't matter because the glare produced will still light up signs and trees! Doesn't show in the pic but the light does extend farther to the right... which doesn't help since I'm blinding drivers not only in front of me, but next to me as well.

Keep in mind, I aimed the headlights VERY LOW, as you can see by the hot spots very close to the car. If I'm ALREADY lighting up the sign on the road, and the wall next to me, imagine when I PROPERLY aim the headlights HIGHER?

http://img503.imageshack.us/img503/1292/pic0040ud7.jpg
^Nope that's not reflection on the windshield, that's the glare that I was talking about that lit up trees above the headlights.

http://img147.imageshack.us/img147/76/11300005sk5.jpg
^Last pic, a little backed up from the wall.

Unfortunately I haven't had the opportunity to take pictures of the beams against a huge wall at proper distance. However, I seriously don't think I even need to in order to show why it's not safe to drive with lights like these.

Needless to say, I'm sticking to regular bulbs.

xkamikazestormx

02-07-2008, 09:37 PM

^ive been there. used to have cibie with a h4 hid kit and thought i was the shit.

LA_phantom_240

02-07-2008, 09:58 PM

HID kits are about as useful as a box of rocks.

pete240

02-07-2008, 10:38 PM

how much for cibies shipped to 78212. 92 240

poserpro

02-10-2008, 03:22 PM

my friend has those exact projector light housings and this is how it came out
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v503/adma004/DSC00081.jpg
and it was even worse when he put a real HID kit in it

mistah_240sx

02-10-2008, 07:58 PM

retrofit tsx or tl it has very nice cut off heh!

rongfk

02-19-2008, 08:34 PM

well here is a progress pic. i positioned them up some.

http://img180.imageshack.us/img180/1345/p1020381pa5.jpg (http://imageshack.us/?x=my6&myref=http://my.imageshack.us/v_images.php)

jackjack

02-19-2008, 08:38 PM

looks good so far.

Aeroscraper326

02-19-2008, 09:19 PM

Cool thread.
There is some really Great and very helpful info in here for us Lighting newbies!:bigok:

PhopsonNY

04-22-2008, 09:36 PM

Have you made any progress?

tapdeznutz

08-06-2012, 10:34 AM

just wanted to add my retrofit with '05 350z projectors. will have pictures up in a few days when i get my camera. very good info here and as lots of people i have purchased the ebay h4 housings and yes they were worst then stock with silverstars(which are actually a very nice upgrade from stock lighting). hacked up the h4 housings and dropped in the 350z projectors and will post pictures soon. they have a very nice cut off.

I did want to ask what is the difference in light bulb types? The reason I ask is because these 350z projectors require a D2S bulb but i am currently using the H4 bulb and hid kit originally equipped for the 7x6 housings and it seems fine. Are the D2S bulbs superior to H4 bulb type?

WristWork

08-06-2012, 01:21 PM

I think you are a little late.

silviaks2nr

08-06-2012, 01:46 PM

Are the D2S bulbs superior to H4 bulb type?

I hope this is a joke.

The early model 350z "projectors" are awful. They aren't even projectors, they are a projector reflector hybrid and they perform terribly. The later model 350z bixenon units are the only ones worth retrofitting.

tapdeznutz

08-06-2012, 01:53 PM

I hope this is a joke.

The early model 350z "projectors" are awful. They aren't even projectors, they are a projector reflector hybrid and they perform terribly. The later model 350z bixenon units are the only ones worth retrofitting.

Let me clarify, NO ITS NOT A JOKE!!. I am asking because i do not know if bulb type matters. That is my original question. And I do have the bixenon ones. Thanks for your input on that, I did not know the earlier models were "worthless".

ixfxi

08-07-2012, 11:27 AM

I hope this is a joke. The early model 350z "projectors" are awful. They aren't even projectors, they are a projector reflector hybrid and they perform terribly. The later model 350z bixenon units are the only ones worth retrofitting.

well they're not that horrible, ive seen much worse lights out there. hybrid doesnt matter, gtr uses reflector with its projector - i dont think thats a big issue. its just a small projector and it doesnt provide as much light as some of the larger lights out there. the 06-08 z33 headlights are significantly better.

hacked up the h4 housings and dropped in the 350z projectors and will post pictures soon. they have a very nice cut off.

I did want to ask what is the difference in light bulb types? The reason I ask is because these 350z projectors require a D2S bulb but i am currently using the H4 bulb and hid kit originally equipped for the 7x6 housings and it seems fine. Are the D2S bulbs superior to H4 bulb type?

whats the difference in the bulb types? let me first say that you shouldnt be modifying your headlights, if you cant answer simple questions like the one you are asking.

the 03-05 z33 headlights (xenon) use a d2r bulb, not d2s. those same projectors were also available in halogen, fyi. they used an h7 bulb.

the h4 bulb is HALOGEN. the shit you have, is a chinese bastard bulb. its an h4 plate with a xenon capsule attached to it. its non compliant shit, just like every other hid kit that comes over by the boat load.

your headlight contraption should be discarded in the garbage can for one simple reason. there is no safe way to run those high-tension wires to your 350z projectors. dont call me when you get shocked with 24,000 volts.

kingkilburn

08-07-2012, 01:49 PM

The guru has spoken!

rongfk

08-16-2012, 12:44 AM

Hey Where did this thread come from? I actually got rid of my s13 hatch and have since abandoned the project. If anyone is up for the chalange id sell it all for $50

hacknik

08-18-2012, 01:08 AM

So.... any more info regarding projectors in pop-ups? I'm curious, but know about the issues with say retrofitting TSX projectors (too big, lights can't go down).

hacknik

08-18-2012, 01:22 AM

TSX Projector retrofit and HID popups (http://www.nicoclub.com/archives/tsx-projector-retrofit-and-hid-popups.html)

nevermind..

ixfxi

08-18-2012, 10:19 AM

nico nico nico.... where have you done us wrong

http://www.nicoclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/255661634-300x225.jpg

fail. that adhesive is not temperature sensitive.

http://www.nicoclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/255664383-300x225.jpg

fail. jb weld is garbage, it is not suitable for applications that are exposed to temp extremes, adhesive breaks down.

http://www.nicoclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/255661563-1-300x225.jpg

fail. xenon bulb rear is exposed to the elements, light is not weatherproof. even with the rubber seal, it does not seal on the projector rear.

http://www.nicoclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/255661598-300x225.jpg

fail. rebased hid kit.

http://www.nicoclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/255664029-300x225.jpg

fail. butchered radiator support.

http://www.nicoclub.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/255908227-300x225.jpg

results, not bad. works... for now. personally, i wouldnt want that shit on my car... but hey, people run around with body kits that dont fit, and cars that look like eric castros old car.. how bad can this be? its like stepping in shit when you havent showered for 4 months, how much of a difference is it going to make? putting some cologne on wont really have any negative effects, but it sure wont help you get laid.

all this work for a setup thats all slapped together. no joke, a pair of cibie e-codes will easily match this setup without all the bullshit.

http://www.clearcorners.com/tech/002/tmb_H4_Comp_1.jpg

hacknik

08-19-2012, 04:01 AM

^^Not even going to lie, everything you just said answered maybe 90% of all my pending questions lol. Cheers mate!

kingkilburn

08-20-2012, 03:57 AM

He is the lighting expert.