SPL Outer tie rod bump steer adj. IN DRIFTING?

[FaLKoN240]

Does anyone use the SPL Pro outer tie rods? And actually DRIFT? I need to know how many if any of the bumpsteer adjusters did you use? Have you snapped it from using all 3? Do you daily, or just drift only?

I'd like to use all the adjusters, but SPL recommends against it. I should've read into this sooner...

Anyways just looking for real time experience here. Thanks!

Mine look like this right now, uninstalled:

http://splparts.com/Parts/NissanShared/Suspension/Multilink/SPLTieRodEndsV4.jpg

[!Zar!]

Best to leave the outer tie rod at the stock height. Puts less stress on the shank and joint.

[Dousan_PG]

i have the older style
1 or so versions before
and i use them all minus 1
for drifting.

but mine might be different sizing too becaus of the older version i have
works great though
very very pleased with it.

[FaLKoN240]

i have the older style
1 or so versions before
and i use them all minus 1
for drifting.

but mine might be different sizing too becaus of the older version i have
works great though
very very pleased with it.

Any pics? I know it's late, but anything would help, this whole SUPER adjustable bumpsteer thing has got me kinda anxious. :loco:

[Dousan_PG]

pics? errrrr...let me seee


nope..
but ill try and remember this weekend to take some when i change my wheels!

[FaLKoN240]

pics? errrrr...let me seee


nope..
but ill try and remember this weekend to take some when i change my wheels!

Coolius! Thanks. I guess I'll check it out when I'm down underneith my car...

THUNDERDRIFT $100 HERE I COME!!! Unfortunately gas will cost about that much too. . .:fawk2:

[haggards13]

I'm running the same setup as Aaron, possibly with all rings. Don't remember, quite honestly.

[AznDrftr.]

Well, im not runnin SPL, but i do have the MR and the are pretty good in a sense that majority of cal disapproves of MR lol.

I kep them at stock, and kept everything as is.

[chaseSR86]

Im pretty sure you want the tie rod assembly (inner and outer) to be at the same angle as the LCA. That way when the suspension compresses and decompresses the two arms move at the same rate. This will make it so the steering wheel doesnt jump in your hands when you hit a bump.
So if just put as many bump steer spacers on the shank until the angle between the LCA and the tie rod is the same.

[FaLKoN240]

I understand how it works, but I want someone to say whether or not they're using the bumpsteer adjustments and how much in DRIFTING without breaking their shit.

[Clearalbino]

I'm only using one of my spacers (cone shaped) and I drift with that set up. I noticed that when i placed 3 to make it more level with my LCA, it made the wheel jump out of my hand. But everyone's set up is a little different.

[240trainee]

Yea, I plan on getting them, but more for strength than bump steer adjustment.

I'll only use one, possibly 2 of the spacers.

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Does anyone use the SPL Pro outer tie rods? And actually DRIFT? I need to know how many if any of the bumpsteer adjusters did you use? Have you snapped it from using all 3? Do you daily, or just drift only?

I'd like to use all the adjusters, but SPL recommends against it. I should've read into this sooner...

Anyways just looking for real time experience here. Thanks!

Mine look like this right now, uninstalled:

http://splparts.com/Parts/NissanShared/Suspension/Multilink/SPLTieRodEndsV4.jpg

For drifting, we recommend using just the big cone spacer, and leaving the additional shim/bumpsteer spacers out. This is actually a little longer than stock. You do not really need to use the bumpsteer adjustment spacers unless you have adjustable roll center front lower arms, or if you run into binding issues on the tie rod end due to being lowered excessively. The more bumpsteer spacers you add, the more load will be exerted on the tie rod end assembly, so running just the big spacer will make the tie rod end the strongest.

[TheSquidd]

You do not really need to use the bumpsteer adjustment spacers unless you have adjustable roll center front lower arms, or if you run into binding issues on the tie rod end due to being lowered excessively.

I doooo hit bump stops and bind with my Tein tie rods and ends, so you would recommend me getting the SPL ends and using more than the standard cone spacer?

I am lowered excessively!

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I doooo hit bump stops and bind with my Tein tie rods and ends, so you would recommend me getting the SPL ends and using more than the standard cone spacer?

I am lowered excessively!

Yup, many people use our tie rod ends for drifting in order to eliminate the binding of the Tein/stock outer tie rod ends, not really for the bumpsteer adjustment. Our tie rod ends use a spherical bearing that offers more articulation angle than stock/Tein tie rod ends, plus you can space down the tie rod end so the angle is improved...

You might still be able to just use the standard cone spacer, the standard cone spacer does put the tie rod end a little further down than stock/Tein. You'll just have to see how much articulation you have left after installing our tie rod ends and decide if you need to use the additional spacers.

[gotta240]

Since the man himself is replying, i guess i'll ask my q too!

I've been using all the spacers(1 large, 3 small) for numerous track events and drift events with no problem. I was always under the impressing that regardless of adjustable roll center/control arms that it was ideal to have the tie rods parallel(or close) with the control arms...

My car is only lowered about 3 inches, but with all the spacers i was able to get CLOSER to the control arm angle. Am i wrong in doing this for grip racing/daily???? Should i remove the 3 small ones? Also, wont that give me MORE bump steer if i do so?

Thanks in advance and bump for the dopest rod ends/company. SPL always takes care of me when i call/email/harass them!!!

[az_240]

I've been using 1 washer on my setup since i'm pretty low but after reading this im gona try just the cone washer.

I've had no probs with the tie rods so far...love the things.

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I've been using all the spacers(1 large, 3 small) for numerous track events and drift events with no problem. I was always under the impressing that regardless of adjustable roll center/control arms that it was ideal to have the tie rods parallel(or close) with the control arms...


Hi!

Yes you do want it parallel with the lower arm, but what is a little tricky is that you are supposed to look at the (imaginary) line that connects the two pivot points -- the bushing on the inside and the ball joint on the outside . The way the lower arms are constructed, that line is not quite the same as the way the arm appears....

[mestizo]

I have this setup on my S13 with all of the spacers in and I have not had an issue with them. I guess maybe I should take out a couple since I'm using my car for drift, I ran them this way because the instructions on SPL's site said to do it that way if you setup the car without a bump steer gauge. How I made a how to on my site if you need a lil extra help with installing them, here is the link.

http://www.mestiso.net/forums/index.php?showtopic=340

I am not sure if you have seen me at Thunderhill but I am the really tall guy with the Black s13 coupe that has vinyl all over it.

[overb0ost]

its also dependent on the front rims you run

if your running some 18x10s up front, yes you will break shit no matter what

if your running some 17x9s it should be fine

[TheSquidd]

if your running some 18x10s up front, yes you will break shit no matter what

Hmm I'm running 18x9.5 and I'm not breaking or bending Teins, SPL have you had anyone break your rods on 18's?

[!Zar!]

I believe the splines/heim joints break due to people spacing the tie rod too low on a slammed car which cause increased deflection and stress on the two parts.

[Dousan_PG]

heres the pic

ive been runnng it this way since i had the s14..so at least 2 years no changes no breaks
have had the same tie rods for about 5 years now
i dont run 18s up front
and i dont offtrack that often.
shit is perrrrrrfect

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c252/dousan/new%20s13/P1010712.jpg

[FaLKoN240]

Thanks Dousan, I installed my tie rods using the small conical spacer and one of the alum. rings.

Feels ok, lots of bumpsteer compared to my previous set up, but I know it won't break this time :D

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Hmm I'm running 18x9.5 and I'm not breaking or bending Teins, SPL have you had anyone break your rods on 18's?

Here are the factors that contribute to binding:

ride height & suspension travel
camber

these factors determine what angle your tie rod ends end up at. You may or may not be binding with stock tie rod ends. If you have any sort of binding in the tie rod ends, then under the right situation you can break or bend your tie rod/end. I had a customer who reported that he would repeatedly break Tein tie rod/ends going over the exact same curb at full lock, otherwise he had no issue with it. It just means that his tie rod end was binding up, not at static ride height, but when the suspension compresses. The binding combined with the loads put on the tie rod end at full lock is what kills his Tein tie rod/end.

[mestizo]

Thanks Dousan, I installed my tie rods using the small conical spacer and one of the alum. rings.

Feels ok, lots of bumpsteer compared to my previous set up, but I know it won't break this time :D

You have more bump steer now with the spacers than you did without them? My car seems way better with them than it did without.

[FaLKoN240]

You have more bump steer now with the spacers than you did without them? My car seems way better with them than it did without.

My other set up was a different brand ;)

[Dousan_PG]

more? wtf
mines smooth as shit
i love it. feels so great
car is so stable.

[JeremyR]

dousan what inners are you running??

[!Zar!]

Most likely z32.

[mestizo]

more? wtf
mines smooth as shit
i love it. feels so great
car is so stable.

Agreed i feel the same way about mine too.

[DRIFT671]

Damn this thread is pushing me to get some spl outer tierod ends so much good responces on these!!!

[FaLKoN240]

http://i29.photobucket.com/albums/c252/dousan/new%20s13/P1010712.jpg

more? wtf
mines smooth as shit
i love it. feels so great
car is so stable.

http://i11.photobucket.com/albums/a163/FaLKoN240/IMG_0371.jpg

Compare your bumpsteer adjusters to mine, you'll see yours is larger to push the ball joint down, to make it more parallel to the LCA.

I put my bumpsteer adjuster to that so I would ave as little bumpsteer as possible while still maintaining the integrity of the shank.

[gotta240]

haha. if you buy anything else you'd be a fool imo.

I know it sounds like i work for this company or something, but they are the ONLY company i've found to sell quality stuff A N D have customer service.. Not to mention they allow you to upgrade your old parts if new ones come out.


edit- 240falkon- why do you have TWO washers on the top of the shank? that means less threads are on the shank....

[FaLKoN240]

haha. if you buy anything else you'd be a fool imo.

I know it sounds like i work for this company or something, but they are the ONLY company i've found to sell quality stuff A N D have customer service.. Not to mention they allow you to upgrade your old parts if new ones come out.


edit- 240falkon- why do you have TWO washers on the top of the shank? that means less threads are on the shank....

Its only one, the blurry pic makes it LOOK like it's 2 LOL, I'll get another pic later if you want. :loco:

[gotta240]

haha. No need for another pic, just didn't want that nut to fall out/back itself out on you...but you seem to have it under control. lol

[Dousan_PG]

no inners, i use S14
TEIN inners
had the same ones forever.

[FaLKoN240]

no inners, i use S14
TEIN inners
had the same ones forever.

Tein inners are pretty good. Cheap to replace too, comes with extra threading on the inners to compensate for the spacer.

I should've used the extra pair I found inside my tool box.

[sideview_180sx]

dousans car is retarded special. doesn't run hot (like ever). bizzle cluster setup. spl arms and what have you. garageworks engine. he breaks nothing but aero. its a strange car.