Tune now or wait???

[EricDET]

I've been looking into getting an Enthalpy tune but I'm not sure if I should wait till I mod the car up a little more. Right now the car is a Stock Redtop SR with a freshly purchased FMIC, MBC, and full Turboback. I'm gonna be upping to a 2871 in 7-8 months or so, but I'm thinking I can get the most out of this T25 with a tune as I can get retunes for the 2871 and injectors for Hella cheap (~$50). Is the tune gonna make that big of an improvement since it doesn't really cost much to tune for something else later. So theoretically on 12 lbs is the difference with the tune going to be that noticeable. Like 20whp or more?

[NiSmOKnIghTsRBS14]

yessss sir it will, get it tuned on the t25, then just pay for the re tune.......:)

[steve shadows]

did someone say tuning.

I dotn know why you nismoknights guys go to churchs, they fail at nissan tuning.

pay me. shit

[NiSmOKnIghTsRBS14]

WTF u talkin bout???????

wow who said anything bout me tuning it????

[steve shadows]

WTF u talkin bout???????

wow who said anything bout me tuning it????



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[NiSmOKnIghTsRBS14]

y say anything at all??? anyways what ever

back 2 the thread..................

y dont u think about going with like Power fc, aem, something along thos lines when u get the 2871r???? its well worth it.:bigok:

[EricDET]

y say anything at all??? anyways what ever

back 2 the thread..................

y dont u think about going with like Power fc, aem, something along thos lines when u get the 2871r???? its well worth it.:bigok:
I actually have a Haltech E8 but just consider it over kill for my application simple 2871 that Enthalpy/JWT has TONS of experience with. I guess I have the thinking of why pay $1500 for something when I can get comparable results for $500. I can spend a grand elsewhere that will help me more than that extra minuscule power I'd pick up. Plus I'm buying the turbo and cams with the money for the Haltech.

[NiSmOKnIghTsRBS14]

nice nice good luck bro

[Jung918]

I see that as a bad investment. I would rather run the t25 on a haltech then a t28 on a enthalpy tune. When you get these tunes from enthalpy, you are getting generic tunes that are safe. With the haltech, you get a custom tune made specifically for your setup. Plus there is also the rumor that enthalpy has gone down in customer service as of lately.

I went the expensive route and got a stand alone. Seen too many people that blow their motors because they went frugal on the most important part.

[EricDET]

I see that as a bad investment. I would rather run the t25 on a haltech then a t28 on a enthalpy tune. When you get these tunes from enthalpy, you are getting generic tunes that are safe. With the haltech, you get a custom tune made specifically for your setup. Plus there is also the rumor that enthalpy has gone down in customer service as of lately.

I like the Haltech ALOT... Boost Control, Launch Control, Real-time Datalogging. It's just that you need to retune for everything. Is it cold outside, is it hot, do I wanna turn the boost up, swap cams, etc. It all requires significant retuning for Daily-Driver. Where I live the temperature ranges from 0-98 Degrees, I'm not in socal where the temps are the same year round. Just to much hassle to deal with. I have considered swapping to a pfc with datalogit but I consider that an inferior sysytem with the same pricing as Haltech but easier to live with on a daily basis. I have never really heard anything bad about enthalpy, I'm actually leaning towards JWT at this point. And I know of quite a few people putting out impressive numbers on JWT/Enthalpy tune and 2871's. Just my thinking as of now.

[EricDET]

Back to the original topic..LOL

How much difference will there be now on the stock T25?

[usdm180sx]

WTF u talkin bout???????

wow who said anything bout me tuning it????

He said "Church's" does the tuning for you NiSmOKnIghTs.

Just get a z32 mafs, some 550cc's and an safc2 if you're gonna tune a stock t2 small. Plus when you get your enthalpy tune and 2871r you could use the safc to fine tune it, as it won't be spot on being that it's a mail order rom tune.

*edit - if it were me I'd just hold off and get the 2871r, cams, valve springs, valve retainers, head gasket, head studs, injectors, tomei throttle body, greddy intake manifold, tomei exhaust manifold and a haltech or fcon vpro, OR a power fc with a z32 mafs and get some REAL TIME dyno tuning.

[NiSmOKnIghTsRBS14]

good lookin but still

What does he know bout "me"

nuff bout that its jackin EricDET thread:w00t:

[Vision Garage]

Engine management is the most cructial part of your whole set up. Inproper tuning can make your car run like crap or not run at all. Dont gimp on it PLEASE! WIth rom tunes you will have to retune over and over again. This may be more time consuming than to have a stand alone.

[EricDET]

He said "Church's" does the tuning for you NiSmOKnIghTs.

Just get a z32 mafs, some 550cc's and an safc2 if you're gonna tune a stock t2 small. Plus when you get your enthalpy tune and 2871r you could use the safc to fine tune it, as it won't be spot on being that it's a mail order rom tune.

*edit - if it were me I'd just hold off and get the 2871r, cams, valve springs, valve retainers, head gasket, head studs, injectors, tomei throttle body, greddy intake manifold, tomei exhaust manifold and a haltech or fcon vpro, OR a power fc with a z32 mafs and get some REAL TIME dyno tuning.
Everything you listed is on my list minus the exhaust manifold..LOL
I'm thinking of going pfc/Datalogit I just feel like staying MAF will be much easier. 2871 .64, BC 264's with springs & retainers, arp headstuds, metal head gasket, 720's, Freddy IM, Swain coated stock manifold, possibly extrude honed.... And Z32 MAF. ~400whp is the goal.

Like I said it's a daily.. That's my only concern. I've heard ROM's on stock ECU's are better around town. I like pfc for selectable boost by gear also. All I know at this point is I'm selling the Haltech. Plus if I go to the trouble of tuning a pfc now for the T25, I'll have to pay the same dyno time/tuning again when I upgrade the turbo. I'm trying to decide upon the best option for the T25 and then later the 2871.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Fuck a rom tune, same your money and get a power fc. Think about it, how great are any rom tunes when they mail you an ECU back? If its actually on a dyno and rom tuned, that would be great. You get a rom tune, go ahead and buy a safc and get it tuned some more locally cuz itll run rich for sure. How I know, I went thru the same crap your planning right now and wasnt impressed.

Power FC or AEM fTW....save your money, leave the T25 alone, buy your turbo and do your upgrades, tow the car to a shop and have them tune everything. Itll cost some money but itll gurantee that everything is done right from the get-go and you wont have to do shiet over again later down the road untill you upgrade something else major.

[SILVIA_KIDs14.5]

Fuck a rom tune, same your money and get a power fc. Think about it, how great are any rom tunes when they mail you an ECU back? If its actually on a dyno and rom tuned, that would be great. You get a rom tune, go ahead and buy a safc and get it tuned some more locally cuz itll run rich for sure. How I know, I went thru the same crap your planning right now and wasnt impressed.

Power FC or AEM fTW....save your money, leave the T25 alone, buy your turbo and do your upgrades, tow the car to a shop and have them tune everything. Itll cost some money but itll gurantee that everything is done right from the get-go and you wont have to do shiet over again later down the road untill you upgrade something else major.

i second his motion cuz i went through the hassel of gettin a tomei racing ecu that wasn't reytec and i regret it and if you don't know what reytec is its a standalone not just a rom tune my rom tune runs rich not to rich but enough to smell the 93 im running trust me go wit a standalone also here is a like on the reytec if your intrested http://www.tomei-p.co.jp/_2003web-catalogue/efr_set-from_top-menu/efr_index-reytec.html but for the most part im now lookin at power FC or AEM ems

[EricDET]

There seems to be a strong resistance to ROM tunes...LOL

[Jung918]

^ for a good reason. Here is a link to Nistune. It may be a cheaper alternate to achieve your goal. http://home.aanet.com.au/nistune/

[PRADOgy]

Microtech ....nuff Said (.)

[steve shadows]

Microtech ....nuff Said (.)

they just jacked haltech

in fact haltech took them to court and sued them over it.

:-/

[PRADOgy]

they just jacked haltech

in fact haltech took them to court and sued them over it.

:-/

Dont know too much bout that. But Microtech is user friendly compared to HELLtech IMO....but i heard you do some bombay tuning.. id take your word


just remember , you get what you pay for..

This was once thrown at my face here and learned a lot from it
CHEAP,FAST,RELIABLE

choose only two.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Just for a reference, my rom tune was running 9-10 AF without a safc.

[EricDET]

Just for a reference, my rom tune was running 9-10 AF without a safc.

Damn, I'm leaning towards PFC/Datalogit heavily at this point... I've talked to a couple tuners in the area. All their experience is with PFC and AEM. No one I've talked to has even tuned a Haltech. Looks like PFC is the front runner right now. I would still like launch control ability. I've had some experience with Datalogit, how much better/pricier is the Power excel PRO software?

[EricDET]

Just for a reference, my rom tune was running 9-10 AF without a safc.
Just for reference what's the stock computer AF's most of the time at WOT?

[fliprayzin240sx]

Go with AEM just cuz the technology is atleast newer compared to the PFC. Thats not a knock on the PFC, just stating the obvious since the technology for the PFC has been out since the early 90s.

Do AEM got more features than the PFC? I imagine it does from what i remember somebody telling me.

[IIIXziuR]

Steve is the man.
He can tune like the mad professor that he is.
He knows everything.

[EricDET]

Steve is the man.
He can tune like the mad professor that he is.
He knows everything.

I think me in Cincy and him in SoCal might throw a few roadblocks to that idea....

[hijack3d]

There seems to be a strong resistance to ROM tunes...LOL

Eh... I'm not entirely sure why. I like ROM tunes. It makes life easy.

But personally, I'm excited that CalumSult now has the real-time ECU for the KA, since I'll be KA-T over the winter time, but he actually has more experience with SRs. Look for information about him on the SR20forum, KA-T.org and Hybridka....

This is from 8-bit on KA-T.org (http://www.ka-t.org/forums/viewtopic.php?t=26876):

"The software you use is TunerproRT, which is a somewhat freeware tuning program. You can pay 30 bux or something, or you can just wait the 10 seconds delay for not paying. You have full software usability even without paying.

Calum also sets you up with a consult-over-USB port that streams your nissan consult data. You can use some of the various freeware nissan consult software, or you can get what most of us truly enjoy, Nissan Datascan, by blazt. It costs like 30-35 dollars. It taps right into your USB port, you get full on consult use, and Calum can provide you the appropriate numbers to input so you can have REAL FULL TIME MAPTRACING on fuel and timing maps! "

So relatively inexpensive, pretty good shit.

:axe:<== WTF? ... LOL...

[steve shadows]

If you buy an EMS

I can build you a base map

that will run as well as an enthalpy tune

then take to dyno for less than an hour

fine tune a couple key places in map

done. :rolleyes:


I build base maps for cheap, you paypal me, I email. good to go.

depends on EMS though :(

buy a haltech from john

or me

or outer space

:zzz:

[EricDET]

If you buy an EMS

I can build you a base map

that will run as well as an enthalpy tune

then take to dyno for less than an hour

fine tune a couple key places in map

done. :rolleyes:


I build base maps for cheap, you paypal me, I email. good to go.

depends on EMS though :(

buy a haltech from john

or me

or outer space

:zzz:

Haha... I already had offers from you for building a base map for my Haltech a while back. I'm just not to crazy about the complexity of tuning with Haltech and the lack of tuning support... Or should I say NO tuning support. No one I've talked to in the area has ever tuned one. Anybody know any Cincy area Haltech tuners?

[johngriff]

Basically, if they have EVERY touched an EMS before, they will be able to tune on 1.71 for the E8, the newer releases of the software make it so easy, a caveman can do it.

As far as your concern about varying temperatures adversely affecting performance, both steve and I have very good IAT correction value maps FOR the SR. If you are working off of the OEM loaded basemap then I could see your problem, but stating that a map + iat setup will function poorly in cold climate would have to be applied to the other 1000 OEM vehicles utilizing the same setup. As long as the correction maps are on, you'll be fine.

Do you have a flying lead or patch harness?

Seriously, have steve do a base map for you, you will flip over how well it goes.

[EricDET]

Basically, if they have EVERY touched an EMS before, they will be able to tune on 1.71 for the E8, the newer releases of the software make it so easy, a caveman can do it.

As far as your concern about varying temperatures adversely affecting performance, both steve and I have very good IAT correction value maps FOR the SR. If you are working off of the OEM loaded basemap then I could see your problem, but stating that a map + iat setup will function poorly in cold climate would have to be applied to the other 1000 OEM vehicles utilizing the same setup. As long as the correction maps are on, you'll be fine.

Do you have a flying lead or patch harness?

Seriously, have steve do a base map for you, you will flip over how well it goes.

I have the full patch harness for a redtop SR. I'm still leaning nore towards selling it than keeping it though.

[johngriff]

who sold it to you? You DIDNT get a basemap with it?

[steve shadows]

I have the full patch harness for a redtop SR. I'm still leaning nore towards selling it than keeping it though.

yeah fuck that pile of shit :cj:


why? too complicated?

Its almost easier than fucking data logit and has at least twice as many features and configurations as AEM, shit a baby with down syndrome could figure out data logit.

[EricDET]

who sold it to you? You DIDNT get a basemap with it?
Ebay... For cheap....and no, no base map.
You guys are pissing me off..LOL Alright...I'm thinking about keeping it..Happy now?

[johngriff]

Dude, Just install it, with the patch harness its under an hour.

[steve shadows]

I think its scary because its red

If Haltech painted them all glittler Pink, everyone would use them.

RED + HATLECH FONT = oooooooo (ghost noises).

[johngriff]

Maybe they should just go blue now that they are merged with dynodynamics.


OH SHIIIIIIi cant stop that hotness!

[steve shadows]

Maybe they should just go blue now that they are merged with dynodynamics.


OH SHIIIIIIi cant stop that hotness!

or purple...:barf:

[EricDET]

Haha... I'm not afraid of it.. Just heard it's a little complicated and finicky.

[steve shadows]

Haha... I'm not afraid of it.. Just heard it's a little complicated and finicky.

well if i do a map for you (as long as your stock wiring is tick top).

You just load it. start the car

and go.

might have to mess with some of the idle settings to get it dead perfect.

but thats about it.