Install RAS and FMIC and unusual sound? VIDS!

[fwuffy squirrel]

Okay so today I finished installing my FMIC and RAS and put all new gaskets and stuff.

So I connect my battery and start my car and here this scary ass sound.
(as soon as the engine starts)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MgOMRZk39I4

Then it goes away after a few seconds and I let it idle and I hear this clicking noise.
(It didnt really bother me cause its always dont that but idk)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C4Vyp66B3wE

Then after its warmed up I would rev it up to about 3-4 and right when it peaks or I take my foot off the gas it would make this terrible scraping sound.
(you could hear it more towards the end)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JsW2x2YwUk8

Then....when I let the turbo timer shut it off at the end you can hear a loud squeak sound. Its also been doing that for awhile.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V61ljSxJTwc


Anyone have any ideas?
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ek6o3hwZoJU)

[projekt_s13]

was it working fine before the FMIC?

[Max_PSi]

I don't understand what the FMIC would have to do with it.

I've never installed RAS's but, whatever clicking grinding noises your hearing could be from them. Pull the valve cover and look for wearing points.

[Viggs]

Here is a question....Does the engine have enough oil?? Your scary ass sound sounds like an engine running on low oil, the scraping you here maybe the rings scarring the cylinder walls, the clicking could be the valves with no oil and the loud squeak could be the turbo unspooling with a bad bearing caused from a low oil problem. It all fits, sort of. Please tell me its good on oil....

[Viggs]

Hey your the BOV sound guy!!!! Whatitdo ftw

[Z U L8R]

^ vigs: i second that....

did you torque down your cam caps correctly?, did you reinstall the oil squirters on the tops of the cams? something's not right and i wouldn't recommend you continue cranking the motor over until you figure out what's wrong. first thing is check the oil level. second thing is take your valve cover off and see wtf's going on. you're hurting your motor right now...

[sr20boostn20]

it does sound like theres no oil in it,

the clicking ticking could be the lifters from being starved of oil,



hope you didnt put the smash on your motor with this no oil business

[fwuffy squirrel]

K back from eating
was it working fine before the FMIC?
Yea it was working perfectly fine. It had that clicking sound but none of the grinding noises.

I don't understand what the FMIC would have to do with it.
Yea sorry just put that so you know what has been changed since the last time it was working.

Here is a question....Does the engine have enough oil?? Your scary ass sound sounds like an engine running on low oil, the scraping you here maybe the rings scarring the cylinder walls, the clicking could be the valves with no oil and the loud squeak could be the turbo unspooling with a bad bearing caused from a low oil problem. It all fits, sort of. Please tell me its good on oil....

I just check right now and the car is fine on oil. (I checked it twice and it was the same both times.)
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Hey your the BOV sound guy!!!! Whatitdo ftw
HAHA yea Whatitdo FTMFW! Its too bad im too dumb or unlucky to get my car running

hope you didnt put the smash on your motor with this no oil business
Dont worry I didnt smash I pretty much started recording as soon as I tried starting it and only let it idle untill it was kinda warm.


^ vigs: i second that....

did you torque down your cam caps correctly?, did you reinstall the oil squirters on the tops of the cams? something's not right and i wouldn't recommend you continue cranking the motor over until you figure out what's wrong. first thing is check the oil level. second thing is take your valve cover off and see wtf's going on. you're hurting your motor right now...

Yea I put everything back EXACTLY where it goes and I used a torque wrench to torque it back. Spec was 8.7 and I did it about 9.0 give or take.
Do you think there could be any serious damage from letting it idle or taking it to 3 for a minute or so? And do you have any kind of lead of where I can check to see if something has been happening under there? Sorry im still newb and couldnt install a RAS properly. I followed 3 write-ups to the dot and made sure everything was perfect =/

Thx guys if I get this solved ill buy you all boba (if you come down and wanna chill) haha

[fwuffy squirrel]

Im trying so hard to think what it could be because the only thing I did was add Rocker Arm Stoppers......and now it making a grinding sound? How is it possible that RAS could cause something to grind? God its all swirling around in my head and im angry but im trying to laugh about it. Err the anger won

[sr20boostn20]

have you taken the valve cover off since?

[S14DB]

Pull the Valve Cover and explore?

[fwuffy squirrel]

No im afraid to =(

haha okay I just JUST bought new gaskets for the spark plugs and the center one and of course the valve cover gasket. I put a little bit of RTV around some parts of the valve cover gasket. I not sure but could I reuse all my gaskets if I re-remove my valve cover?

[sr20boostn20]

yes you can use the vc gasket again,

or at least i do

[Project3328]

did u bleed the lifters.. just a thought?

[fwuffy squirrel]

sweet! okay thanks man tomorrow I will pull it off and snap some pics and see what you guys think.

ps nice sig boostn20 haha

Edit: Bleed the lifters???

[Chrischeezer]

just take the RAS out!! thoes are def. the problem..

if so, get rid of them
RAS ride soo close the rocker arms.. the slightest bend or defect will cause hell...

i have a set of greddy RAS... no problems

[fwuffy squirrel]

I bought some hks =/
Man I really want those RAS gay
Is there any way to know if they are messed up at all by just eyeing it down?
Maybe I should get some greddy ones :p

[Chrischeezer]

truthfully, i dont like em.. they press on the rockers more then i like..

[fwuffy squirrel]

but I really want 7k all day =(

[Koopa Troopa]

SR's have noisy valve trains.. Your RAS could be barely touching the rocker arm, you could have bumped a rocker arm and it isn't seated all the way. Could be a bunch of things. Take the valve cover back off and check it out.

The squeek could be a pulley or the belt.. Spray some WD40 on that shit and see if it goes away.

Just be glad you don't have solid lifters.. My motor ticks like yours 24/7. As far as needing RAS to rev to 7k... Not needed, I told you that in another thread. Stock cams arn't agressive enough to cause a rocker arm to come off and hell; even if it does all you have to do is put it back on. I got a friend who drove with a rocker arm ticking like no other for like a year.. Valve train rattle was kinda what he was known for. Hell, he dyno'd at 384 whp with his head rattling away. :rofl:

[fwuffy squirrel]

SR's have noisy valve trains.. Your RAS could be barely touching the rocker arm, you could have bumped a rocker arm and it isn't seated all the way. Could be a bunch of things. Take the valve cover back off and check it out.

The squeek could be a pulley or the belt.. Spray some WD40 on that shit and see if it goes away.

Just be glad you don't have solid lifters.. My motor ticks like yours 24/7. As far as needing RAS to rev to 7k... Not needed, I told you that in another thread. Stock cams arn't agressive enough to cause a rocker arm to come off and hell; even if it does all you have to do is put it back on. I got a friend who drove with a rocker arm ticking like no other for like a year.. Valve train rattle was kinda what he was known for. Hell, he dyno'd at 384 whp with his head rattling away. :rofl:


God idk why that made me feel so good but +rep for you thx. Few q's though...
1. Is there any way to solve my RAS barely touching my Rocker arm?
2. If I did bump a Rocker arm and it isnt seated all the way is there any way to correct it/seat it in the right possition?
3. I want to open my valve cover and start my car so I could pin point my problem but my friend said that at idle the oil squirter will own me in the face like a gay porn star. Is there any way to diagnose a problem like this w/o starting the car OR could I start the car and let it idle w/o the valve cover?
4. Worst case scenario I remove my RAS but then im left with the decision to leave off or buy a greddy haha and man I really want one but seriously if I get a greddy and it knocks im going to......im going to be moderately dissapointed :-/. oh its supposed to be a question huh...uh if this one knocks then others might knock too because it COULD be my rocker arms. So should I just get rid of RAS all together? =(

[Koopa Troopa]

God idk why that made me feel so good but +rep for you thx. Few q's though...
1. Is there any way to solve my RAS barely touching my Rocker arm?
2. If I did bump a Rocker arm and it isnt seated all the way is there any way to correct it/seat it in the right possition?
3. I want to open my valve cover and start my car so I could pin point my problem but my friend said that at idle the oil squirter will own me in the face like a gay porn star. Is there any way to diagnose a problem like this w/o starting the car OR could I start the car and let it idle w/o the valve cover?
4. Worst case scenario I remove my RAS but then im left with the decision to leave off or buy a greddy haha and man I really want one but seriously if I get a greddy and it knocks im going to......im going to be moderately dissapointed :-/. oh its supposed to be a question huh...uh if this one knocks then others might knock too because it COULD be my rocker arms. So should I just get rid of RAS all together? =(

I wouldn't start it with the valve cover off.. there's nothing to see moving that you can't already see for yourself by touching it.. The rocker arms just kinda sit there but you'll know if it's not on right.

You could try taking a flat file to the bottom of the rocker arm stopper but they'll wear down over time anyways so I'd just let them be. If you can't find anything that's plain wrong just take the rattle as some valve train noise, you'll get used to it over time anyways and eventually your RAS will wear down.

If you want remove the RAS and see if the noise goes away. Then you know what's causing the noise. If the noise goes away just put them back in and get used to the rattle noise.

[statik]

Start the car with the valve cover off if you want to make a huge mess, seriously though just pop it and have a look, you can reuse the new VC gaskets many many times. Take some pictures and post them up if you cant spot anything.

[Koopa Troopa]

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b267/koopatroopa187/Sillbeer%20S14/200707302032000.jpg

Shitty pic but your head should look like that... Just without the missing cam bolt...

[fwuffy squirrel]

k im gana get some super high quality pics a in about 3 more hours

[fwuffy squirrel]

Okay I got some pics. They are BIG so you could see if there is anything wrong. Make sure you SCROLL TO THE SIDE TOO. Its too bad my camera isnt uber so you could see actual detail =/


First pic is an overhead engine shot

And next 4 pics after that are just close up shots of the valves springs and stuff.








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Okay separate question on a separate note....err I dont know how to connect my vacuum lines so I took a pic of what I did do (try not to laugh) and im sure its a simple fix. Could you tell me what would work better aka how to do it correctly lol I dont even have anything plugged into the wastegate (I think thats what it is)


This is everything thats plugged in and where its plugged into and the last pic is of the ¿wastegate? that im sure needs some kind of line into it.


Okay in this pic the vac line is connected to the little hole right under the throttle cable or butterfly as shown in pic #3

http://img87.imageshack.us/img87/8517/img0565rt3.jpg



Okay in this pic the one on the left side goes who knows where and the one on the right goes all the way across and connects to the bov on the other side

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This little guy is all alone =(


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I did this myself and seriously not having any air leaks the the peak of my knowledge haha so yea any help would be appreciated.





Oh and on a side note I just had a bright idea. What if I put the washers from the bolts holding down the RAS, UNDER the RAS?
Wouldnt that lift up the RAS just enough to not be hitting anything? hmmm but then I was thinking and im not sure if its hitting on the bottom or on the inside you know like towards the motor.
If thats so then lifting them up a little would do any good errr halp!:x:

[B Love]

You said that your car always made that ticking noise I would belled my lifters if I were you.

[91gst]

okay for the vacuum lines....

1.) the left one goes to your fuel pressure regulator and it might be tee-ed with a boost gauge if you have one.

2.) The top right one is correct by going to the bov.

The nipple on your cold pipe could be used as a source for the wastegate...so just remove the line going to it now and cap off the nipple on the throttle body and run a line from the wastegate to the nipple on the cold pipe.

[fwuffy squirrel]

okay for the vacuum lines....

1.) the left one goes to your fuel pressure regulator and it might be tee-ed with a boost gauge if you have one.

2.) The top right one is correct by going to the bov.

The nipple on your cold pipe could be used as a source for the wastegate...so just remove the line going to it now and cap off the nipple on the throttle body and run a line from the wastegate to the nipple on the cold pipe.

Great help ill try that as soon as I have my motor back together thanks =)

[B Love]

You know how to bleeed your lifters? Ive done it on 3 sr's they all had that same ticking problem

[xpl2007]

How B Love im installing rocker arm stoppers?

[kensreliableb18b]

take off the front chain guide.

u better hook up ur actuator.

as far as the sound goes, remove ras, inspect, reinstall. and try again.

if it was fine before the install you shouldnt need to bleed the lifters. troiuble shoot from obvious---->>less obvious, never the other way around.

[fwuffy squirrel]

I was thinking it could be the RAS and im thinking of buying some greddy ones and trying those. If it is my motor and not the RAS then Ill have 2 sets of ras for sale soon haha

[B Love]

How B Love im installing rocker arm stoppers?

You probably dont need too if you dont hear them ticking but everytime I pull cams out I just bleed them anyways. Pm me if you need to bleed them I dont want to put a giant post on here

[Z U L8R]

when you loosened your cam cap bolts to get the ras's in there did you only take the one bolt out or did you loosen both bolts on each cap?

[WERDdabuilder]

I just check right now and the car is fine on oil. (I checked it twice and it was the same both times.)
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isnt the oil level too high?

hope your problem is fixed.

[fwuffy squirrel]

when you loosened your cam cap bolts to get the ras's in there did you only take the one bolt out or did you loosen both bolts on each cap?

I loosened both both sides and caps were all the way off...Im hoping it just the RAS so im going to buy a greddy one tomorrow and put that in and see how everything goes. God everything is always so hard for me haha

[fwuffy squirrel]

isnt the oil level too high?

hope your problem is fixed.


sorry I think I wrote that wrong

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thx I hope its fixed by tomorrow so I could celebrate if not then who wants to buy some HKS RAS haha

[Chrischeezer]

Your outa ur mind..
just remove the RAS and see if the sound goes away, no reason to buy another set.

[fwuffy squirrel]

omg your right....I guess ill just leave the ras out of my motor =( well you saved me $60 thx :p

[smelly240]

i seen RAS on motors that still threw rockers - I'm not convinced they do anything - i still run them myself of course. better safe than sorry.

[Z U L8R]

i think your lifters pumped up and injested air when you released all the pressure off of them, then you mash em back down with the cam caps and now it's putting a shit load of force on your cams. i think you should take em out and bleed em down.
Dave

[Z U L8R]

well?? any more news?

[sr20boostn20]

i seen RAS on motors that still threw rockers - I'm not convinced they do anything - i still run them myself of course. better safe than sorry.

true story it has happened to me

im sure it would happen more often though if i didnt have the ras

[fwuffy squirrel]

okay update is the guy at the dealership was gone today and since there no really in depth walkthrough, im not going to try and bleed my lifters. I really want to do it but I cant even install RAS w/o messing 10 things up and I really need this car to be running.
I have decided to buy Greddy RAS because I want to know if it was the HKS RAS or my motor. If the greddy RAS make the same sound then I know the rocker arms arent seated properly and later on I will fix it.
Im going to the dealer tomorrow to get a bunch of things and tomorrow night 10/30 im gana do all the work and see what happens....with me luck :x:

[djcobra]

Any updates on the RAS?

Steve.

[Erjay1]

I doubt its your RAS. It has something to do with the way you put "something" back. I had BC Valve Springs installed and after that my car does the same thing. Really bad grinding noise at start up and grinding/rattle at the top and bottom of a rev. I dont even have RAS. I just chose not to take my car back to this shop anymore. Still have the noise and has been there for over 6 months now. If you find a fix then let me know man. Goodluck.

[tt99ol]

did you put the ras on the right sides
the big hole should be on the back
otherwise your cam lobes get no oil
just a thought