Kognition's Dry Carbon Sunroof Delete Panel

[mehsilvia]

Thought id share some pics of Kognitions exceptional craftsmanship!

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t282/mehsilvia/Sunroof/mehsilviaroof2.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t282/mehsilvia/Sunroof/mehsilviaroof1.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t282/mehsilvia/Sunroof/mehsilviaroof3.jpg

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t282/mehsilvia/Sunroof/mehsilviaroof4.jpg

[JRas]

looks good guessing more headspace? what does it look like on the inside?

cough my slicktop looks better :P

[EJ253]

sick ass car. im diggin it

and that sunroof delete is badass.
from the pics it doesnt look super flush tho...

[Chernobyl]

Hmm. Not really diggin it.

It'd look 100x better if the edges were rounded down toward the roof.

[mehsilvia]

Thats because its an overlay, not flush mount. Its apx 1/8" thick with crazy structural integrity.

Its molded from an S14 roof skin, so it matches the roof contour perfectly.

[MavericStephenc]

what window visors are those?

also nice sunroof delete, interior pics please?

[kognition]

Nice little 24ish lb weight drop there :rolleyes:
It will def keep the rain out. :naughty:

[S14DB]

what window visors are those?

also nice sunroof delete, interior pics please?
JDM OEM accessory.

[MavericStephenc]

JDM OEM accessory.

I take it I could get em' from west covina/my nismo right?

[Jung918]

^ contact andy over at pinnacle nissan.

How do I order the sunroof delete?

[blackflag_Rms13]

Yes.

http://www.mynismo.com/products/?id=3630&rsku=0

[jackal264]

whats the install process?

i assume this allows you to take out the sunroof and headliner right?

i would love to get rid of my sunroof.

[NiSmOKnIghTsRBS14]

wow im feelin that. looks real good i want one,

[stinky_180]

any pictures from inside the vehicle?

[driftenthusiast]

Looks good. I have an aluminum panel riveted on for my sun roof block off. How is this held on? If its just adhesive id be worried about someone breaking in to the car by peeling that off.

[Nismoknightska-t]

if i had a sunroof i would be all over this..

[Rittmeister]

Here's hoping Kognition builds one for S13 sometime...

[mehsilvia]

It is simply applied with a silicone adhesive.

And i wouldnt worry about someone simply "peeling" it off.

Ill see about getting interior pics posted after work.


And personaly, since this a track car, i was looking for function and something that would be race legal. Having that opening just wasnt an option.

[Edgar]

sheet aluminum does the same crap and its way cheaper

[tacotacotaco]

im still hoping kognition comes out with a carbon s13 roof.

[Dousan_PG]

it looks tacky
ugh
weld it up

[S14DB]

I think it would look better flush and maybe some weatherstripping.

[ESone3]

sup homie, just wanted to show you how your wheels are doin

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z291/ajgillett/IMG_6246r.jpg

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z291/ajgillett/IMG_6247r.jpg

http://i193.photobucket.com/albums/z291/ajgillett/IMG_6187r.jpg

[mehsilvia]

A little Off Topic, but sexy nonetheless.

[ESone3]

just a lil off topic :P

[tacotacotaco]

great function. Car looks to be all function. Just hope no one comes up and thinks its an ebay vinyl sunroof.

[Irukandji]

ehh... It just looks awkward.

[BRAIN_Z33]

im still hoping kognition comes out with a carbon s13 roof.

+1 ON THAT ONE

[WERDdabuilder]

looks a bit janky.

[kognition]

This is a 2nd gen design. :)
Pure function. Just a really contrasting look with the cars color. The stock rubber seal was about 1/8th" thick if i remember. :2f2f:

[Andrew Bohan]

eh not my cup of tea. those stickers on the other hand...:wackit:

[chuy]

Well then I got 1st gen mine looks more flush then yours though.

[sr20boostn20]

i love your car,

I DO,

flat blue paint is my jam,

the carbon panel looks sick too

[B Love]

It would look bettter if it had some kind of weather stripping on it

[BustedS13]

sick ass car. im diggin it

and that sunroof delete is badass.
from the pics it doesnt look super flush tho...

if that's not super flush enough for you, then you're super fucking gay.

[mehsilvia]

Interior pics. Not exactly sure what all there is to see, but here they are. As requested.

http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t282/mehsilvia/Sunroof/IMG_2005.jpg
http://i163.photobucket.com/albums/t282/mehsilvia/Sunroof/IMG_2007.jpg





And yes, i do need to chop chop all the mounting screws from the Sunroof frame. Cant imagine what one of those would do to a helmet.

[crazyikimasho]

JDM OEM accessory.

We have them in stock here :) (http://www.thenismoshop.com/ikorb.php?func=catalog&category_id=4744&product_id=321)

Sorry to thread jack, Mike :(

[kognition]

Not my thread Justin, but if you want to throw some new towing mirrors my way for the Titan, i won't say no. :naughtyd:
Full CF roof coming soon. I have the first one going onto my car for Laguna Seca. That is a about 50lb's of overhead weight gone. My car has wicked snap now. :w00t:
Heres some newly created sexy for ya. 9lb dry carbon hood. For our silver 350Z sponsored time attack car. I was test fitting it today.
http://kognitiondesign.com/dry-carbon-350z-hood.jpg
http://kognitiondesign.com/dry-carbon-350z-hood1.jpg

We have them in stock here :) (http://www.thenismoshop.com/ikorb.php?func=catalog&category_id=4744&product_id=321)

Sorry to thread jack, Mike :(

[S14DB]

No S14 Dry carbon hood, No care...

[kognition]

:keke:
I have the prototype.

No S14 Dry carbon hood, No care...

[bardabe]

Not my thread Justin, but if you want to throw some new towing mirrors my way for the Titan, i won't say no. :naughtyd:
Full CF roof coming soon. I have the first one going onto my car for Laguna Seca. That is a about 50lb's of overhead weight gone. My car has wicked snap now. :w00t:
Heres some newly created sexy for ya. 9lb dry carbon hood. For our silver 350Z sponsored time attack car. I was test fitting it today.
http://kognitiondesign.com/dry-carbon-350z-hood.jpg
http://kognitiondesign.com/dry-carbon-350z-hood1.jpg

correct me if im wrong but do i see megan brakes/ :tweak:

[kognition]

Megan prototypes. From the track Z earlier this year. Switched to AP big brakes on the track car.

correct me if im wrong but do i see megan brakes/ :tweak:

[S14DB]

I just made a prototype. Had to flush twice...

[mehsilvia]

I just made a prototype. Had to flush twice...

No pics on a S14, no care...

[nsn240]

looks saweeet
the Z is hot too

[kognition]

:keke: :keke:

No pics on a S14, no care...

[S14DB]

No pics on a S14, no care...

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/S14DB/Zilvia/SR20poop.jpg

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v108/S14DB/Zilvia/SR20poop.jpg

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[mehsilvia]

NO. Thats pretty FUCKED UP :bowrofl:

[Ninjabread]

:rofl:



:barf:

[240trainee]

Thats fucking nasty.

[chuy]

mine has tabs to hold down the sunroof or did you not put yours on.

[KA24DESOneThree]

I'd rather have that than the aluminum sheet I have in there now.

No matter, I just need to get my hands on a coupe roof and some cash and have a carbon roof made.

[mehsilvia]

mine has tabs to hold down the sunroof or did you not put yours on.

No tabs, just silicone adhesive. Not needed cause its flush and perfectly contoured to the roof.

[Ninjabread]

^^ Still I dont think I would trust silicone. I'm sure the edges will lift at speed and it could potentially fly off.

[mehsilvia]

^^ Still I dont think I would trust silicone. I'm sure the edges will lift at speed and it could potentially fly off.

This is mounted to an S14 you know?

[jackjack]

hmmm... i'll pass.

[Ninjabread]

This is mounted to an S14 you know?

haha, right, I forgot this was a 240sx.

[FaLKoN240]

Make one for the S13, I'm sick of my crinkly gappy sunroof hatch.

[tacotacotaco]

I would cut a s13 fb roof for you if you decide to make one.

[sideview_180sx]

or you could be like other people who use tabs to hold it down. only to watch the tabs break on the front straightaway at california speedway. use silicone and tabs if you are anal about it.

[MeSs]

why have carbon sunroof delete panel when you can have carbon roof? :P
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v459/MeSs/IMG_6366Large.jpg

[S14DB]

yeah you want to do a write up on that?

[YoungRookie]

make a sunrook delete for the s13 hatch, i would totally be down for one

[kognition]

We have to get a roof clip first.

make a sunrook delete for the s13 hatch, i would totally be down for one

[SILEIGHTY_DET]

i have a spare sun roof that i would be willing to offer .

[kognition]

That's not goin to cut it i'm afraid. We need a full roof clip, no sunroof. :)

i have a spare sun roof that i would be willing to offer .

[burnsauto]

That's not goin to cut it i'm afraid. We need a full roof clip, no sunroof. :)

quick, someone get to the junkyard.

btw: any chance you could make a double sided cf delete panel? (ya know...to make the girls go craaaaaaazy.)

im tired of having my sunroof leaking in air at higher speeds/windy days.

[SILEIGHTY_DET]

i just crashed the car last month , and already bought a replacement chassi . we might be able to work a deal for the whole roof assembly

[a_ahmed]

what u guys need is some dry carbon hoods for an s13 and sunroof/complete roof for an s13 :( No s13 love wth :(

[KA24DESOneThree]

S13 guys don't have enough money.

I used to have enough money, but not any longer. :-(

[kognition]

I know, we get hounded about S13 parts on a weekly basis. I want to start a group buy program for these low production parts if members are willing to pay for them. A member recently asked me about a back seat overlay, so things like that would require a group buy. We are running out of space right now with molds taking up
valuable space in the shop. So now we have to start being more selective about molds we make. We have plans late next year to buy some land on the outskirts
of El Cajon and drop a slab and a metal building on it. More importantly to Kognition, it creates jobs. :ughug:


what u guys need is some dry carbon hoods for an s13 and sunroof/complete roof for an s13 :( No s13 love wth :(

[BRAIN_Z33]

^ Im Down For A Group Buy ^

[KA24DESOneThree]

I'm down for getting my hands on a sawzall and taking the roof off a coupe.

[kognition]

My car trailer has molds in it being stored. :duh:

[ThatGuy]

I've got some room in my garage. I can store a few molds for you.

You can pay me for storage with a Dry Carbon trunk, doors, and roof for an S13 Coupe. :keke:

[kognition]

Give me a ride in an Osprey and i might consider it. :x:

I've got some room in my garage. I can store a few molds for you.

You can pay me for storage with a Dry Carbon trunk, doors, and roof for an S13 Coupe. :keke:

[ThatGuy]

You know, I might just be able to arrange that. :rawk:

[kognition]

Well, we will be coming out your way in the spring i believe for some time attacks.

You know, I might just be able to arrange that. :rawk:

[[email protected]`S13]

thats a good invention.

[s13Dr1ft]

Hood, Roof, Hatch, doors for a decent price would be awesome.

[KA24DESOneThree]

I'm not sure what you mean by decent price.

You do realize these are dry carbon works of art, right? They will NOT be cheap.

[tacotacotaco]

If your serious about a roof clip i would honestly be interested in purchasing a brand new clip if that makes it easier for you to make a mold.

[pignose4life]

i like that idea but what color blue is that im diggin it

[kognition]

I'm only as serious about making an S13 roof as people are to buy one. This is a different economy now. We can do pretty much anything. But money talks. :cool:

If your serious about a roof clip i would honestly be interested in purchasing a brand new clip if that makes it easier for you to make a mold.

[tacotacotaco]

lets get the ball rolling. If you were to produce an s13 roof what would be your projected price and how many orders for the group buy? If a deposited group buy was started with enough people then would there be some talking?

[s13Dr1ft]

I'm not sure what you mean by decent price.

You do realize these are dry carbon works of art, right? They will NOT be cheap.


Decent price- Not half the cost of my 16yr old car, not over priced. A decent price for what it is. Was it that hard to understand? Im not a cheap ass, i wouldnt expect these to be $200.00.

[nsn240]

you should make a s13 delete that is still functional (still pops up) just gets rid of the glass/glass weight

[300hp owen]

nice CF piece, you guys make some cool shizzzz.

more pics! ;)

[kognition]

I am calculating the cost for the S14 roof right now, which uses three layers of 12oz. reinforcement carbon. I would like to keep it at $1,000 for a 10 person group buy. But it will likely be more like $1,200. That's a group buy mind you. Otherwise they would be closer to $2,000. Dry finish, paintable with no clearcoat.

lets get the ball rolling. If you were to produce an s13 roof what would be your projected price and how many orders for the group buy? If a deposited group buy was started with enough people then would there be some talking?

[coreansurfer]

how much for s14 cf hood?

[kognition]

We are doing a very limited production dry carbon kouki hood, that is a race hood. It comes with aero catches and no stock hoodlatch hook. It will run about $900.

how much for s14 cf hood?

[coreansurfer]

what about a group buy on the kouki hood?

[MeSs]

yeah you want to do a write up on that?
Well, i do have the mold we made it out.. But shipping that from norway to Kognition is very expensive.
I payed a little over 1000usd btw.

[Frosty_spl]

I guess that carbon panel is OK for a race car, but waay to jank for a streetcar.

It needs to replace just the glass, and still retain the molding, or something to make it look stockish.

[kognition]

It is a racecar part. Which is why it weighs 1.5 lb's.
And you easily get a watertight seal from it. Unlike our 1st generation version.
I understand the discussion about the edge, but anyone can take some black silicone and smooth the outer edge with that. Giving it more of a tapered edge.
:)

I guess that carbon panel is OK for a race car, but waay to jank for a streetcar.

It needs to replace just the glass, and still retain the molding, or something to make it look stockish.

[Rittmeister]

For an S13 coupe sunroof-delete panel, I would be willing to pay $100-$250. Possibly a bit more.

TOMORROW.

Let's get this going!

BTW - anyone know, if you removed the sunroof, if you can use a non-sunroof headliner?

[BLiTz]

WOW I am in for the group buy on the S14 roof
I would Like to do something like that to lose my sunroof and the rest of the roof for that matter!
My only question is how would it be fitted to the car?
If it would cost 3 times the cost of the roof to have it put on the car then it might not level out the pros and cons.
Anyway besides that you guys are fantastic for what you do for the automotive community, I would do anything to work with you guys...
Give me the word next year and Ill pack my bags and get on a plane.
I cant wait to make some purchases for my S14!

[kognition]

Thank you, :)
The cost of the roof is negligible when you see how much HP it frees up on the track, not to mention the lowered CG.
Again, a track part, you must have a 6pt RC for this.

WOW I am in for the group buy on the S14 roof
I would Like to do something like that to lose my sunroof and the rest of the roof for that matter!
My only question is how would it be fitted to the car?
If it would cost 3 times the cost of the roof to have it put on the car then it might not level out the pros and cons.
Anyway besides that you guys are fantastic for what you do for the automotive community, I would do anything to work with you guys...
Give me the word next year and Ill pack my bags and get on a plane.
I cant wait to make some purchases for my S14!

[tacotacotaco]

For the s13 roof honestly i can only forsee about me and 3 others even if =/

[kognition]

I know a couple racers that want one.

For the s13 roof honestly i can only forsee about me and 3 others even if =/

[tacotacotaco]

Orly so this might be something that can happen?

[kognition]

Yes..... ...

Orly so this might be something that can happen?

[PMSing Chicken]

I'm poor, make the fastback sunroof out of fiberglass and give me a roll of double sided tape.

[kognition]

Try Home Depot for that.

I'm poor, make the fastback sunroof out of fiberglass and give me a roll of double sided tape.

[jackal264]

just wondering but is there any structural difference between this carbon peice and say just putting in a peice of sheetmetal. (as in weld in and paint over?)

[topsecretgold]

i think it would blend in well on black s14

[chuy]

It is a racecar part. Which is why it weighs 1.5 lb's.
And you easily get a watertight seal from it. Unlike our 1st generation version.
I understand the discussion about the edge, but anyone can take some black silicone and smooth the outer edge with that. Giving it more of a tapered edge.
:)
Hey thats what I did after you made the recommendation. I still used the tabs that you sent also. Truly a very benefical part I dont have a 6 point roll cage in I have a roll bar. If Kognation does this I would recommend that you all pic one up. Easy part to put in, took longer to take the sunroof out.

[Rittmeister]

So how soon might an S13 delete happen? Is it strictly a matter of having an S13 roof cut to work with, or are there other issues?

[kognition]

Just very busy that's all. We should have time in December to start on the roof replacement as well as the sunroof delete. :)

So how soon might an S13 delete happen? Is it strictly a matter of having an S13 roof cut to work with, or are there other issues?

[Rittmeister]

Excellent! I'll be waiting to see what develops...

[UNITEDMASTER]

I know a couple racers that want one.

One of those being guess who, I can get the clip anytime. Keep me/us posted.

[EAS13]

Just very busy that's all. We should have time in December to start on the roof replacement as well as the sunroof delete. :)

I'm glad to see the interest has gotten you going on this project. I emailed you last year asking about it, I think you said there wasn't enough real interest for you to actually produce one.

Anyhow, i'm in for either the delete or the full roof replacement if you do it for the S13.

[kouki_s14]

is the S14 roof finished? any photos?

[kognition]

Yes we are mounting the roof this week. The car just got back from paint. I will put something up before the car is loaded up for this weekend.

[jackal264]

hey i never got an answer to my question.

is this carbon peice more structurally solid then just wenlding in a peice of sheet metal?

[kouki_s14]

Yes we are mounting the roof this week. The car just got back from paint. I will put something up before the car is loaded up for this weekend.

Cant wait to see it.
Also are the S14 hoods vented?
any plans for a zenki version?

[sideview_180sx]

hey i never got an answer to my question.

is this carbon piece more structurally solid then just welding in a piece of sheet metal?

what do you think.........its mainly for lowering CG of the car. That is why a cage is needed. No point in having people get something they won't be able to take full advantage of

[kognition]

Think of that piece of sheet metal as a single laminate. Ours has two laminates, spaced 1/8th" apart. Which will be stiffer? It doesn't matter if you tack weld a sheet of metal to the roof. It will remain... a flat sheet of metal. Just a matter of preference.

hey i never got an answer to my question.

is this carbon peice more structurally solid then just wenlding in a peice of sheet metal?

[jackal264]

so then how can i get my hands on one of these delete panels?

[kognition]

Contact us after the 14th when we return from Laguna Seca.
kognitiondesign.com
We will make an exciting sunroof delete just for you.

so then how can i get my hands on one of these delete panels?

[jackal264]

you got urself a deal :rawk: