roll cage fitment

[EJ253]

so i searched for autopower rollcages because my friend told me that they have bad fitment. what i cam up with in the search was a bunch of autopower for sale threads where people were selling their brand new autopower cages. so it seems like they were selling them because they didnt fit (at least thats the impression i got)

so can anyone help me out here?
do they fit good or no?
are the designed to go around your dash instead of threw it?

any pics of fitment would be great too!

thanks,
Greg

[Flipzide]

should've searched harder, but i'll be nice today...

heres a thread with pics n such. some info too.

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=78060

[B Love]

Get a saftey 21

[EJ253]

thanks guys.

is there a link to the saftey 21 cage?

[S.ONE.THREE]

Get a saftey 21

there not SCCA legal, i found that out the hard way. the auto power one fits ok its not going to go in like oem stock but for the price i would say there ok... unless you can weld one up yourself.

[McRussellPants]

there not SCCA legal, i found that out the hard way.


lol did you not read the rulebook or something?

[EJ253]

autopower looks decent.
about how much does a custom cage cost on average?

what do you guys think about cusco? only thing is the cusco cage doesnt have a harness bar

[B Love]

http://www.napsusa.com/rollcage2.htm

[Baron Fel]

cusco cages are useless for just about everything. A custom cage will run you in the $2000 - $5000 range depending on materials and design.

[B Love]

cusco cages are useless for just about everything. A custom cage will run you in the $2000 - $5000 range depending on materials and design.


Id rock a cusco cage. If i want to sell the car i dont have to cut all of the welds to take the cage out. Plus its not like im gonna be drivin the car in Formula d. I mean depends on the price.

[Baron Fel]

cusco might look good but the only reason you should get a roll cage is if you are going to track it. Driving a caged car on the street is a pretty stupid idea unless you plan on wearing a helmet where ever you go.

[Tearlessj]

cusco cages are useless for just about everything. A custom cage will run you in the $2000 - $5000 range depending on materials and design.
A cusco cage will also keep you safe. Bolt in cages do work you know.

[EJ253]

im mainly looking for something to support harnesses, pass SCCA, and stiffen the chassis

[Baron Fel]

cusco cages are not recognized by any racing body as a safety item. They might stiffen up your chassis but that is all.

[EJ253]

cusco might look good but the only reason you should get a roll cage is if you are going to track it. Driving a caged car on the street is a pretty stupid idea unless you plan on wearing a helmet where ever you go.

its a track only car for the next few years.
i know the saftey hazards involved with caging a daily :bite:
but thanks for the warning :)

[B Love]

cusco might look good but the only reason you should get a roll cage is if you are going to track it. Driving a caged car on the street is a pretty stupid idea unless you plan on wearing a helmet where ever you go.


Even still. If your going to track cusco and saftey 21 will be find for the track. Ive even seen peoople weld in cusco cages and I know it passes D1 tech inspection Im not sure about Formula D. Plus You can put foam or soemething on the fron bar. Or since its a Cusco have it out when. you Daily Drive :D

[Flipzide]

autopower 4 pt roll bar would be nice, imo. its scca legal

[EJ253]

yeah, i figure 4 pt would be good.
but i might as well get the entire cage if im gunna do it

[Baron Fel]

auto power 4 point bolt in is what I have and it does wonders for chassis stiffening. plus it's legal for all race groups. If you are looking to save some money get a four point from auto power and weld it in. then pay someone to weld in the extra points that you need.

[EJ253]

i think they make a kit thats like an add on for the autopower 4 pt

but altogether its like $100 more in the end + welding costs

[Baron Fel]

the only problem with the auto power six point or the add-ons is that the front bars don't get very close to the dash. I drove my friend's 240 that had the auto power six point and after fifteen minutes my left leg was bruised and throbbing...

[EJ253]

from the pics in that thread posted it looks like the door bars dont fit with the autopower cage...

can anyone elaborate

[Baron Fel]

they should... You would just need them welded in. which door bars are you talking about?

[Dousan_PG]

the a pillar he is talking about
they fucking suck

id go custom b4 autopower

spend the loot

[B Love]

the a pillar he is talking about
they fucking suck

id go custom b4 autopower

spend the loot


:werd: Auto Power sounds pretty gay

[EJ253]

i might just get an autopower and have it slightly modified as necessary

[B Love]

If you have heard bad things and had this much doubt about it shouldnt that help you decide

[EJ253]

cuz its cost efficient and passes SCCA and NASA
and it can support harnesses correctly

haha. i just dont really want to fork out more than 1k for a cage :( i know im cheap :/

[*Kung Fu Grip*]

Mazworx down here in Florida are well known for they're cages,Check them out.


(http://www.zilvia.net/f/www.mazworxracesupply.com/contactus.htm)

[Koopa Troopa]

cusco cages are useless for just about everything. A custom cage will run you in the $2000 - $5000 range depending on materials and design.

You're a moron

cusco might look good but the only reason you should get a roll cage is if you are going to track it. Driving a caged car on the street is a pretty stupid idea unless you plan on wearing a helmet where ever you go.

Once again a moron

cusco cages are not recognized by any racing body as a safety item. They might stiffen up your chassis but that is all.

Cusco cages are recognized by D1 as the official roll cage and are used widely throughout Japan by many racing organizations such as Jun, Tomei, Toda, etc.

[ChingSR20]

arnt Cusco and safety 21 the same thing?

[Koopa Troopa]

Yes.。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。。

[Baron Fel]

hahhahha that is why you got kicked off AZ240 chris! lol no one cares what is allowed in japan...

[Koopa Troopa]

Neither do I. I'm just saying quit talking out of your ass. I have a friend who's accident report states the only reason why he got away with a broken hip and not dead was because of his Cusco cage with door bars.

You're completely ignorant if you think Cusco cages arn't a safety item

[Baron Fel]

that's great, I'm glad your friend was able to walk away from a wreck. Cusco still isn't allowed by racing body's in the US as a roll cage though

[Koopa Troopa]

D1GP USA recognizes it.......

[Baron Fel]

Only if it's modified and has the main hoop diagonal support added....

[Koopa Troopa]

Modified how? The rulebook never said anything other than needing a Cusco 7 point or more.

[Baron Fel]

all cusco cages I've ever seen do not have the diagonal bar behind the driver

[fromxtor]

I have the auto power 6 point for my hatch but may wind up getting new dash bars so they go through the vents in the dash.

[Koopa Troopa]

Yeah because they're for RHD cars genius... Good thing my Cusco 8 point has dual crossbars though...

[B Love]

You're a moron



Once again a moron



Cusco cages are recognized by D1 as the official roll cage and are used widely throughout Japan by many racing organizations such as Jun, Tomei, Toda, etc.


Thank you. I swear people just talk shit on cusco because they heard someone else doing it. Not from experience or fact.

[B Love]

arnt Cusco and safety 21 the same thing?
Cusco = Aluminum and blue
Saftey 21 = black and steel
I beleive cusco uses thicker piping but they are both distributed by the same company.

[B Love]

Saftey 21 info-

A variety of roll bars are available based on bay layout and number of passengers
Safety21 cages are available up to 300 Japanese model vehicles.
Front roll bars/cages are designed not to hinder the driver's view from inside the vehicle.
Mounting points, bar joints, and other details were throughly examined, researched, and tested prior to making its final version available.
40mm cold drawn seemless carbon steel material.
Pipe thickness=2.0mm
Mount Plate Size Thickness=Over 60cm2/2.6mm
Reinforce Plate Size Thickness=Over 120cm2/3.2mm
Starting price: $370.00




Cusco Info-
40mm chromoly pipes used, which are 33% lighter compared to other conventional steel cages.
Lightweight joints used to increase safety with competition roll bar design layout.
Strategically mounted to increase maximum body rigidity.
Bar layout is designed from extensive hands on experience. Bar structures designs are based on feedback directly from the racetrack, which is proven to be effective. Not only are you going to recieve a stylish bar, but you will also be receiving a bar with a purpose.
Japanese MOT recognized/certified roll bars.
Price is set by roll bar type, not car type.
Seating capacity may be restricted on some roll bars.
Price starting at $470.00All this info is there if you look for it. www.Napusa.com (http://www.zilvia.net/f/www.Napusa.com)

[Koopa Troopa]

Cusco and Safety 21 are the same company. Like Nissan and Infinity.

[LeonL]

Try this.
http://www.kirkracing.com/

[EJ253]

fromxtor,
your autopower cage goes threw the dash?

[fromxtor]

No it does not, but I figure I can either get the dash bars re-bent or get new ones made by a shop. I have this one:
http://www.autopowerindustries.com/Images/lg/DSC_3118_UweldCageKit.jpg

[EJ253]

yeah i was about to ask you which one you had, your one step ahead of me

as of right now, im planning on just buying the bolt in 6 point
if it doesnt fit perfect i can just modify it, i can weld steel and im sure i can find someone who will let me use their welder

[Folken]

explain to me how Baron Fel is a moron, from my understanding that roll cage will crack your head open in a accident on the highway, maybe I don't under the metal vs. head concept... I'm seriously asking koopa

[ep510]

yeah i was about to ask you which one you had, your one step ahead of me

as of right now, im planning on just buying the bolt in 6 point
if it doesnt fit perfect i can just modify it, i can weld steel and im sure i can find someone who will let me use their welder

If you can weld ---Get someone to loan you a tubing bender or buy one.
My buddy built an SCCA Legal Rollbar ( not cage) for less than $200 in DOM tubing and some scrap metal he had for the gussetts and plates. Took us about 3 days of actual work time over 2 weekends.

Big Question is ---Are you racing? Doing Time trials? ( time attacks to the JDM crowd) --or looking for a place to mount harnesses? --If you are not door to door and street drive the car --consider a roll bar---it really stiffened up my car and gives rollover protection.

Autopower is not known for tight fitment as you would get with a custom Roll bar/ Roll Cage ---but they are safe and are in many cars across the USA. If this is a street car --I guess you need to be concerned about how it looks --but for a track car --it will not make much difference after you start abusing the car.

The Cusco and Safety 21's etc are not SCCA/NASA legal as mentioned. However --if you are not racing the car --say maybe Autocrossing --they would be fine.

[McRussellPants]

Technically, if you got the trough dash Cusco, added a diagonal to the mainhoop and got your car under 2200lbs it would be close enough to SCCA to pass.

[B Love]

explain to me how Baron Fel is a moron, from my understanding that roll cage will crack your head open in a accident on the highway, maybe I don't under the metal vs. head concept... I'm seriously asking koopa


Koopa called him a moron because he was saying that cusco isnt recognized by any racing body in the us. When in fact its recognized by d1 and Formula d They just need to be welded in and have the bar accross the back which cusco does have. And as far as hitting your head while on the highway you can take that bar out on the Cusco so theres another bad reason to say Cusco isnt good. Either way any cage you would need to run in a drifting type series you would need that front bar. Plus a Cusco you can throw it in before an event and take it out as needed. Dont get me wrong there are a million shops that make cages far superior that Cusco (Battle Version) for example. But Cusco has way better fitment than auto power and is more available IMO. Koopa was just disproving Baron Fel's argument that Cusco isnt a good cage. I know for a Fact Cusco cages can be used in D1 and Formula D and if it passes Formula D standards than im sure it will pass just about anything else. But if you want to play it safe and your in Cali Alex P (Battle Version) Makes formula D legal cages for s13 and 14 I beleive and installs them also. Im not sure if he ships the pipes or not but all of is stuff is FD legal, and I beleive the only reason Cusco might not be Scca legal ( I dont know if it is legal or not) Is because the 2 bends that go around the dash and if that is illegal than just buy the one that goes thru the dash

[fromxtor]

^^Not running a cage at all is also recognized by some sanctioning bodies, but you wont catch me w/o one.

[B Love]

^^Not running a cage at all is also recognized by some sanctioning bodies, but you wont catch me w/o one.

Yea alot of the smaller events let you run no cage but it also depends where you are like Wsir balcony no cage is fine. You cant run tandem tho but say WSIR htm well you probably have to have a cage since alot of people roll.

[DudeYourSoOOJDM]

HenryPinkFC aka WrongwayFab did mine and it came out beautiful. The B pillars are even welded to the cage. So much head clearance it's not even funny. I'll post pics soon

[KiDyNomiTe]

I had autopower, for the price its nice enough. The fitment on mine was nice, it cant get much better for a wrap around the dash cage. It could have been closer to the B pillars, but otherwise it was good. Fitmenet depends on install as well, its somewhat adjustable.

But now I have a custom cage and it is the sex, thru the dash, gussets double doorbars and all that goodness, fitment is perfect. I would never go back to autopower or any non custom.

[nwmrkt]

What do you guys think of the 4 point autopower? For a street/track car? These do have proper points for harness mounting right? Driver/passenger...

[B Love]

I wouldn't get a cage for the track unless I had door bars to run tandem. Unless your running auto cross or something and its required.

[nwmrkt]

ic thanks. I was just really interested for the proper harness points. then stock 3 point with a cg lock will do. :)

[fromxtor]

What do you guys think of the 4 point autopower? For a street/track car? These do have proper points for harness mounting right? Driver/passenger...
Do it man, No one I know has ever complained about their 4 point.:bigok:
http://www.autopowerindustries.com/Images/lg/DSC_2848.jpg


I wouldn't get a cage for the track unless I had door bars to run tandem. Unless your running auto cross or something and its required.

^^ See thats been your deal since post one in this thread, I do not drift. The only type of races I run are tandem, a.k.a. grip racing. My car is a full blown track car, it's been completely stripped. While i have spent quite a sum of money on my car, I cannot afford to take it drifting and smash into things/ppl and wear out tires like I'm sponsored. I have drifted, I like to spectate at events, but it's just not for me.:bigok: Maybe these guys aren't going to drift, so the door bar/dash fitment argument might not apply to them/me.:wiggle:

[B Love]

Do it man, No one I know has ever complained about their 4 point.:bigok:
http://www.autopowerindustries.com/Images/lg/DSC_2848.jpg




^^ See thats been your deal since post one in this thread, I do not drift. The only type of races I run are tandem, a.k.a. grip racing. My car is a full blown track car, it's been completely stripped. While i have spent quite a sum of money on my car, I cannot afford to take it drifting and smash into things/ppl and wear out tires like I'm sponsored. I have drifted, I like to spectate at events, but it's just not for me.:bigok: Maybe these guys aren't going to drift, so the door bar/dash fitment argument might not apply to them/me.:wiggle:

Yea thats cool thts why In other post I said I didnt know what was rquired for other things like scca and I said unless its required for autocross or road race. I am not familiar with those rules and guidelines at all

[ep510]

What do you guys think of the 4 point autopower? For a street/track car? These do have proper points for harness mounting right? Driver/passenger...

A 4 pt will work for the track( HPDE's, Time Trials etc) It is not as safe as a full cage---but it does give you the flexibility of being good for the street without wearing a helmet --no bars to hit your head on

[AWDTurbo]

cusco cages are useless for just about everything. A custom cage will run you in the $2000 - $5000 range depending on materials and design.


I dont know who is designing your cages but I can build a custom 12 point cage for less than 400$ Your guys really should look into doing the fabricating yourself. Ya its work but you save money!! lots, all you need is a welder and a friend with a bender.

I would never in my life pay 2000$ for a cage, Hell NHRA dont even pay that much!!!!!

[Koopa Troopa]

explain to me how Baron Fel is a moron, from my understanding that roll cage will crack your head open in a accident on the highway, maybe I don't under the metal vs. head concept... I'm seriously asking koopa

Uh, I sit forward of any bar in the rear of my car, including the main hoop. I've seen videos of passengers hitting their heads on cages in Option or Drift Tengoku, they were all fine and laughing.

I was calling him a moron for spreading more misinformation when he cleary has no 1st hand experiance.

If I lived in the land of fabrication shops I sure as hell wouldn't be using a Cusco cage though...

[nwmrkt]

A 4 pt will work for the track( HPDE's, Time Trials etc) It is not as safe as a full cage---but it does give you the flexibility of being good for the street without wearing a helmet --no bars to hit your head on ic this will take some time to think it out...anyways I wanted it because of the mounting points for the harnesses and that the bar will protect my when im strapped into the harnesses from being crushed in a roll over (god forbid). And since its a street car also I cannot wear a helmet:hsdance:. So this seems to be the best choice.

[EJ253]

sounds perfect for your situation
plus you dont have to give a bunch of people rides places. cuz your car will be a 2 seater

[sideview_180sx]

as you guys may or may not know. In formula D they say they are recognized. but this past season. i don't think anyone used a cusco/safety 21 cage. D1 USA used to allow them. but they required all cars to have at minimum and x-bar on both passenger and driver. along with a rear firewall for the cars that ran fuel cells. as it stands now. formula D cages but meet scca/nasa safety requirements. which is why most d1 teams have 2 cars 1 for usa, and the other for japan. primarily for shipping reasons, and also because of safety regs. as me how i know. i've worked for D1 since 2003 at most events stateside save for jersey. i know the rules.

autopower doesn't fit somewhat unless you have full interior. it was designed that way. it also fits loose because not every chassis is in the same state of condition. and autopower is more readily available in the US. they are located in san diego.

koopa troopa. i've seen the same vids were they konk there heads. more often then not. americans will find a way to die from it. and usually american kids manage o hit light poles. parked cars. oncoming traffic and so forth. every crash is different

dousan hit it on the head. if you want snug fitment. eat ramen for 6months and drop the loot for a custom cage.

[Koopa Troopa]

LMAO! That's awesome... Anyways here's my car with a death device installed

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b267/koopatroopa187/Sillbeer%20S14/DSC_0006.jpg

[kawika219]

Uh, I sit forward of any bar in the rear of my car, including the main hoop. I've seen videos of passengers hitting their heads on cages in Option or Drift Tengoku, they were all fine and laughing.

I was calling him a moron for spreading more misinformation when he cleary has no 1st hand experiance.

If I lived in the land of fabrication shops I sure as hell wouldn't be using a Cusco cage though...
when your drifting or racing anything can happen. i know someone who got a concussion from hitting their head on the cage, AND he had a helmet on.

[lv240s14]

bolt ins suck ass get a wleded in cage for best fitment

[Koopa Troopa]

bolt ins suck ass get a wleded in cage for best fitment

Hey another moron

when your drifting or racing anything can happen. i know someone who got a concussion from hitting their head on the cage, AND he had a helmet on.

You need to find another sport if you're wrapped up in what ifs.

[a_ahmed]

LMAO! That's awesome... Anyways here's my car with a death device installed

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b267/koopatroopa187/Sillbeer%20S14/DSC_0006.jpg


More pix of the death device?

[Koopa Troopa]

More pix of the death device?

Shit I wish bro. That's prolly the better of the pics but since it gives me a reason to whore off my car...

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b267/koopatroopa187/Sillbeer%20S14/DSC_0001.jpg
http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b267/koopatroopa187/Sillbeer%20S14/DSC_0012.jpg

I'd have better ones but I am nowhere near my car and won't be for another 5 months.

[C. Anderson]

LMAO! That's awesome... Anyways here's my car with a death device installed

http://i21.photobucket.com/albums/b267/koopatroopa187/Sillbeer%20S14/DSC_0006.jpg

+1 for more pics. BTW nice HUD.

(Weird, I was typing while you posted that)

[Koopa Troopa]

+1 for more pics. BTW nice HUD.

(Weird, I was typing while you posted that)

Thanks. It's the only speedometer in the car that works...:bigok:

[ep510]

Uh, I sit forward of any bar in the rear of my car, including the main hoop. I've seen videos of passengers hitting their heads on cages in Option or Drift Tengoku, they were all fine and laughing.



Based on the side shot photo of your car ---you do not sit forward of all the bars. The Side bars can be impacted by your head. --At least put some padding on the bars. ---I realize you have seen people hit bars and not crack their heads --But it is not safe!

I have seen incidents on the track when people who were strapped into racing seats, wearing helmets, and were still able to hit the bars of a roll cage. One guys helmet cracked --but he was fine. ---What if it was your head--without a helmet, without roll bar padding. How would your head hold up ?

[Koopa Troopa]

Based on the side shot photo of your car ---you do not sit forward of all the bars. The Side bars can be impacted by your head. --At least put some padding on the bars. ---I realize you have seen people hit bars and not crack their heads --But it is not safe!

I am not driving the car so therefor the seat isn't adjusted to me, you'd know that had you checked out my "Pics from dirka dirka land" thread on the Offtopic Forum, the rollcage design won't allow my seat to be even with or go behind the main hoop. Every bar I could bump my head on is padded, look closer. The padding is black.

I have seen incidents on the track when people who were strapped into racing seats, wearing helmets, and were still able to hit the bars of a roll cage. One guys helmet cracked --but he was fine. ---What if it was your head--without a helmet, without roll bar padding. How would your head hold up ?

People like you are the reason why they took out that extreamly fun wooden playground I played on as a kid.

[B Love]

Based on the side shot photo of your car ---you do not sit forward of all the bars. The Side bars can be impacted by your head. --At least put some padding on the bars. ---I realize you have seen people hit bars and not crack their heads --But it is not safe!

I have seen incidents on the track when people who were strapped into racing seats, wearing helmets, and were still able to hit the bars of a roll cage. One guys helmet cracked --but he was fine. ---What if it was your head--without a helmet, without roll bar padding. How would your head hold up ?

If that guy managed to hit his head after all that he must have some problems

[ep510]

I am not driving the car so therefor the seat isn't adjusted to me, you'd know that had you checked out my "Pics from dirka dirka land" thread on the Offtopic Forum, the rollcage design won't allow my seat to be even with or go behind the main hoop. Every bar I could bump my head on is padded, look closer. The padding is black.



People like you are the reason why they took out that extreamly fun wooden playground I played on as a kid.


Forget I commented --I did not realize you were the all knowing being who has more info , and knows more than any safety related rules from Racing organizations. I thought you might listen to people who have seen incidents and can save you some pain, aggravation and possibly your life.

For those that are not already brain dead ...... Well you can choose to ignore the warnings as well. Your choice.

[ep510]

If that guy managed to hit his head after all that he must have some problems

Mild Concussion. Has not been back in a car on the track since.

[McRussellPants]

All of you guys are probably riding high and mighty in some sparco sprint with bottom mount rails.


My neck would have to stretch like 8in to hit my head on a cage bar if I wore my belts tight.

[ep510]

All of you guys are probably riding high and mighty in some sparco sprint with bottom mount rails.


My neck would have to stretch like 8in to hit my head on a cage bar if I wore my belts tight.

I use an Aluminum Race Seat --bolted to custom mounts and the rollbar.

And it is the belts that stretch --which allows the impact. And your neck will stretch ( maybe not 8in) and it is when it snaps back the damage occurs. Reference Dale Earnhardt accident and "hans device"

[McRussellPants]

I use an Aluminum Race Seat --bolted to custom mounts and the rollbar.

And it is the belts that stretch --which allows the impact. And your neck will stretch ( maybe not 8in) and it is when it snaps back the damage occurs. Reference Dale Earnhardt accident and "hans device"

My Neck won't stretch 8in

If the roof crumples a love tap from a roll bar is probably gonna be the least of my worries.

In the words of the late great Dale Earnhart "I aint had problems with my head comin of my shoulders"

Spirit of adventure, trade your car in for a wheelchair pops.


Throw the Kirkey in a dumpster, buy an FIA shell and maybe you can womp about safety.

Lower your seat to where you can barely see over the dash, you'll never hit your head on a roll bar ever.

[ep510]

Hey --best of luck with your head.

[B Love]

Mild Concussion. Has not been back in a car on the track since.

Dude I dont see how you can get a concusion thru your helment. Wtf was that guy doing.

[axiomatik]

lol at the "if it hasn't happened to me yet, I must be safe" mentality.

[ep510]

Dude I dont see how you can get a concusion thru your helment. Wtf was that guy doing.

Incident in the downhill at Limerock park (a racetrack in NW CT for those that may not know). --Car checked up in front of him, lost control impacted tirewall--bounced and impacted an earth berm. When it stopped-His head impacted the roll cage that all the experts on here state it cannot do. And yes he was in a 5 pt harness --properly installed.

the first impact stretched the belts --and when the car moved again and then impacted --they were not tight to keep him from moving.

I will not bother with the story of the GT3 Porsche this past weekend --With the FIA seats and the instructor in the car has the scuffs on his helmet where his head impacted the roll cage. ( Also at Lime Rock Park)

Listen to the other guys on here --I assume they have real world experience too. More than mine, I am sure. Or listen to the safety rules of the racing organizations.

They do not make up the rules to keep people off the Wooden playground ---they want to keep idiots from being killed.

--Draw your own conclusion.

[drftwerks]

fuck all this bolt in cage is dangerous talk,

this is what happens w/o cage,

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/drftwerks/myrollaroll.jpg

and thats why i ordered the saftey 21 for my FC

[kawika219]

Dude I dont see how you can get a concusion thru your helment. Wtf was that guy doing.
you kidding me right? it like football, you can still get a concussion if you get hit hard enough, even though you have a helmet.

[kawika219]

fuck all this bolt in cage is dangerous talk,

this is what happens w/o cage,

and thats why i ordered the saftey 21 for my FC
with stock seatbelts i can almost guarantee thast you would have hit your head on the cage

[drftwerks]

well full stock car, yes

fc = buckets harness super low rails, blah blah blha

[B Love]

you kidding me right? it like football, you can still get a concussion if you get hit hard enough, even though you have a helmet.

Retard when is the last time you seen football players in a seat with harnesses. Plus driving helmet has way more padding than a football helmet. If you have a decent cage your head will be no where near any poles

[kawika219]

Retard when is the last time you seen football players in a seat with harnesses. Plus driving helmet has way more padding than a football helmet. If you have a decent cage your head will be no where near any poles
i was comparing idiot. in other words, a helmet WONT protect you from ALL head injuries. the cage the guy had was a cusco i think

[Koopa Troopa]

Incident in the downhill at Limerock park (a racetrack in NW CT for those that may not know). --Car checked up in front of him, lost control impacted tirewall--bounced and impacted an earth berm. When it stopped-His head impacted the roll cage that all the experts on here state it cannot do. And yes he was in a 5 pt harness --properly installed.

the first impact stretched the belts --and when the car moved again and then impacted --they were not tight to keep him from moving.

You don't get it do you? You're stating shit we all know. We just don't want to view it that way. If a race car driver sat there and wondered, "OMG that's dangerous" he'd never get anywhere in life. I put my 180 into a guardrail at 100 clicks... I hit my knee on the front bar of the cage, it hurt. It wasn't the end of the world.

Hell, I hit my head on that same cage in my car when it was installed in a friend's S14, it hurt. It wasn't the end of the world.

Balls, they're great. You should try them out sometime.


I will not bother with the story of the GT3 Porsche this past weekend --With the FIA seats and the instructor in the car has the scuffs on his helmet where his head impacted the roll cage. ( Also at Lime Rock Park)

WTF are FIA seats? The Recaro SPG in my car has a FIA certification sticker on it. Does that make my car as special as that GT3 Porsche?

Listen to the other guys on here --I assume they have real world experience too. More than mine, I am sure. Or listen to the safety rules of the racing organizations.

What does that have to do with anything? I've never driven on a track and if I continue to live in Okinawa I never will.


BTW I never said your head couldn't hit the cage, I was arguing that was a moronic reason to not buy a cage. I hit my head on the cage in my 180 all the time when traffic was backed up.

[ep510]

I've never driven on a track and if I continue to live in Okinawa I never will.

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Well this kind of says it all --now doesn't it. But you feel you are equipped to give advice on running a car with a full cage on the street without a helmet.

OK --I get it.

As for the Balls --who is the one who has not run on a race track? If you had you would realize you need to minimize the risk--but can never eliminate it.

I will take Brains and Balls over just Balls.

[Koopa Troopa]

Well this kind of says it all --now doesn't it. But you feel you are equipped to give advice on running a car with a full cage on the street without a helmet.

OK --I get it.

As for the Balls --who is the one who has not run on a race track? If you had you would realize you need to minimize the risk--but can never eliminate it.

I will take Brains and Balls over just Balls.

Do yourself afavor and google "race tracks on Okinawa"

[sideview_180sx]

i think he doesn't realize oki is the island covered surrounded by crushed seashells, F22s over there and laid back atmosphere

[MeSs]

Well, im happy i had my cusco 6 point..
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g61/joachim_gitar/Nissan%20200sx/finish.jpg

[Jdotsturn]

What about these cages?

http://www.swracecars.com/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=97&cat=Datsun%2FNissan (http://www.swracecars.com/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=97&cat=Datsun%2FNissan)

[JRas]

Well, im happy i had my cusco 6 point..
http://i53.photobucket.com/albums/g61/joachim_gitar/Nissan%20200sx/finish.jpg

:Ownedd:

I was expecting to see a picture of the cage in your car. This is way cooler....

[Koopa Troopa]

OMG I'm suprised you arn't dead because Cusco cages arn't safety items!!!!!!!1

[JRas]

OMG I'm suprised you arn't dead because Cusco cages arn't safety items!!!!!!!1

I was under the impression that is what they were designed to be? unless they were designed to hang ornaments on I am stumped :rolleyes:

OR were you just bashing Cusco?

[Skullavera]

He was being sarcastic.....

[sideview_180sx]

As I stated earlier. Those outside of american see the gains with such devices. Idiots in america find a way to maim and permanently relocate physical attributes.

I wouldn't doubt cusco cages aren't safe. However they do not meet SCCA/NASA specs, and IMO thats for a specific reason.

BTW no one mentioned the fact that the nature of chromoly in an accident is to shear rather then bend. Another reason why in some sanctioned bodies main bars of cages cannot be made of chromoly.

[ep510]

As I stated earlier. Those outside of american see the gains with such devices. Idiots in america find a way to maim and permanently relocate physical attributes.

I wouldn't doubt cusco cages aren't safe. However they do not meet SCCA/NASA specs, and IMO thats for a specific reason.

BTW no one mentioned the fact that the nature of chromoly in an accident is to shear rather then bend. Another reason why in some sanctioned bodies main bars of cages cannot be made of chromoly.

I am not sure if people will understand your point, but it was a very good one. To add to it --in most American motorsports you have to outlaw some equipment to satisfy the legal teams and regulate in the better stuff. ie: DOM vs ERW tubing.

[Wiisass]

I think the phasing out of chromoly through a lot of motorsports sanctioning bodies also has to do with improper installation. With chromoly, you need to heat treat the weld area after welding in order to get the strength of the joint back to what it was before welding. After welding and without heat treat, the chromoly is weaker than mild steel of the same size. So with a thinner wall on the chromoly, you end up with something even weaker than a proper mild steel cage. And without heat treating, this joint is very brittle and will crack around the weld before it bends like sideview180sx was saying.

Tim

[projectRDM]

I love how everyone's idea of racing is only drifting, like no other form of motorsport exists. This "If Formula D approves it, it must be the shit" attitude is hilarious. Note to everyone posting, a LOT of people do NOT drift, whether for fun or professionally. I autocross and road race, nothing else, so *if* I was to have a cage it would have to be SCCA compliant. Cusco makes a good piece, there's no question about that, but for people who do more than slide around a track at low speeds and burn up tires it's not legal, therefore it's of no value.

You guys can go back to the bickering now.

[Koopa Troopa]

I don't drift...................

[inertiaticism]

Yes, but you only street drive, since there are apparently no tracks in oki.

What he's trying to say is that regardless of how great the Cusco cage is it doesn't matter a fucking bit if your sanctioning body requires something different.
Cusco quality or not, you don't get to run if your car doesn't pass tech.
I would love to just get a Safety21 but it won't do me a bit of good for what I am planning on doing with my car since it would never make it onto the track to flip over and prove how great the cage is.

[mobceo]

I have the S&W 12 point DOM. I love it, it fit very well with out the int in the car . Its the best bang for the buck. And I just won Drift411 southeast FD Proam with it in the car lol. Now I am headed out to vages wish me luck!!

[MeSs]

My cage saved my car, the only thing i had to do to smoothen out the car was to change the roof plate.. none of the windows/etc cracked..

[MeSs]

:Ownedd:

I was expecting to see a picture of the cage in your car. This is way cooler....
This is even cooler.. Wait until the end.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v459/MeSs/?action=view&current=Film.flv

[JRas]

This is even cooler.. Wait until the end.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v459/MeSs/?action=view&current=Film.flv

haha that tow truck was screaming your name :rofl:

would of liked to see a closer view and non-shaky camera though :)

edit: btw nice drifting look better than most of the people I see in videos ( I don't drift )

[bigOdom1]

i still say that most cages dont belong on the street or without a helmet

[MeSs]

haha that tow truck was screaming your name :rofl:

would of liked to see a closer view and non-shaky camera though :)

edit: btw nice drifting look better than most of the people I see in videos ( I don't drift )
Haha :rolleyes:
You can actually see the cage in the roof!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v459/MeSs/DSC02869.jpg

i still say that most cages dont belong on the street or without a helmet
I totally agree.. But padding helps alot :)

[slideways2004]

so anybody have any info on this? i may try it out. lol
http://www.swracecars.com/shopdisplayproducts.asp?id=97&cat=Datsun%2FNissan

[B Love]

That price is really cheap. There has to be a reason for that

[JRas]

i still say that most cages dont belong on the street or without a helmet

True, but for people who's dailies are also there track slut they don't have much of a choice.

[B Love]

True, but for people who's dailies are also there track slut they don't have much of a choice.

If you have a saftey 21 or cusco the front bar comes out. then you dont have to worry about it

[tokes¹]

Autopower should fit perfectly as they only make the rollbar after you placed your order. You have to specify which model you have, year, does it have a sunroof, headlamp location and other misc questions that will ensure a perfect fit. Those guys that are selling their APcages prolly bought them used off someone else.

Here is a link of a 4pt autopower rollbar that I helped install on my friends S13.
click here (http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=77192)

[B Love]

The year shouldnt matter and even if its used a s13 coupe with no sunroof is a s13 coupe with no sunroof it should still fit the same

[frankist]

fuck all this bolt in cage is dangerous talk,

this is what happens w/o cage,

http://i5.photobucket.com/albums/y167/drftwerks/myrollaroll.jpg

and thats why i ordered the saftey 21 for my FC


what corner at buttonwillow here? and what happened? sorry for your lost.
=(

[drftwerks]

sunset going clockwise

[frankist]

sunset going clockwise

glad you didnt get hurt, amazing how that exhaust bent up there.

[esmeuskees]

if u are want to drive in scca, and u are not an experienced fabricator.. then your gonna have to pay someone who is. fab a quality cage and shut up!

quality! quality! quality! i cant say that enough, i cant believe some of the stuff ive seen around.. do it right!

if u cage a street car and are afraid of hitting your head.. do a 4point cage or wear a helmet. and then shut up again. i hate you all. aaaaaaaaaaaaahhh! ....haha ok.

and if u dont have a cage then dont rollover! .. lol jk i hope u were alright !