2way lsd??? (tomei, nismo, kaaz)

[driftn_silvia]

hey everyone, just went to my first track session at willow springs. well i went into the drift session with a vlsd. it did its work but every one was telling me if i go with a 2way it will be much better.

so now im in the market to buy a 2 way but theres a few? nismo, tomei, kaaz. and many others. i just want to know what kind of lsd you guys are using at the track or recommend

thanks guys for any feedback left.

[jackjack]

best bet would be to search. all those brands are good though. i personally have a kaaz and love it.

[KA24DESOneThree]

There haven't been any threads like this. You're the first person to ever have this question.

[Koopa Troopa]

Love my Kaaz

[Slidin240Wayz]

I Love Tomei

[azndoc]

I use a Tomei one. Love it.

Haven't ever used anything besides Tomei.

PM ThatGuy and ask him for a Unlimited Slip Diff. He'll hook you up. It's better than a 2 way.

[C2AUTOSPL]

You'll get alot of different feedbacks. I have customers switching from Kaaz to TOMEI. They love it..

[rps13drift]

ATS detforce ma fucker!!!

[ae13bravo]

I really like mt kazz.... but really never owned anything else. Have you thought of a welded diff?

[driftn_silvia]

I really like mt kazz.... but really never owned anything else. Have you thought of a welded diff?

yeah i have thought bout welded diff, but i rather go with a 2way, at the practice i talked to a few people and they were running nismo 2way lsd, but i guess there are two kind of nismo ones.

[MrChow]

Just to note you can't welded a vlsd.

I've heard that Nismo are the quietest of all of the 2-ways
ATS looks really nice but ain't cheap.
Tomei looks really good too.

I'm get a vlsd for now (since I'm getting it for free basically) and learning on that for awhile then looks into the 2-ways.

[cfrost]

i love my kaaz too!

[azndoc]

i love my cocks too!

There fixed it for ya Colin.

lolz

[driftn_silvia]

anyone with a cusco 2way???

[hayaimoto]

KAAZ HANDS DOWN GUYS!!!

I have been rocking nothing but the best. (Not to say that others are worst or better but I have my personal reasons)

Here are some reasons why:
1. I never had a problem with my unit since install about 2 years ago.

2. KAAZ is Stateside and offers proffesional services if you ever need installs or a rebuild, not waiting on parts from Japan BS.

3. I recently switched to the new SOLID type 2WAY with WPC coated plates that uses larger plates for less noise during opperation. WHICH DOESNT CHATTER! (no need to go with freakin expensive ATS carbon plates) *I LOVE IT

4. KAAZ makes Tomei's LSD.

5. They installed my personal unit for me =)

I hope this that helps. Although typically LSD's do perform the same, I always look a plus side of using a product.

[lmananT]

I have a tomei 2 way...up for grabs...lmk if your interested...

[driftn_silvia]

KAAZ HANDS DOWN GUYS!!!

I have been rocking nothing but the best. (Not to say that others are worst or better but I have my personal reasons)

Here are some reasons why:
1. I never had a problem with my unit since install about 2 years ago.

2. KAAZ is Stateside and offers proffesional services if you ever need installs or a rebuild, not waiting on parts from Japan BS.

3. I recently switched to the new SOLID type 2WAY with WPC coated plates that uses larger plates for less noise during opperation. WHICH DOESNT CHATTER! (no need to go with freakin expensive ATS carbon plates) *I LOVE IT

4. KAAZ makes Tomei's LSD.

5. They installed my personal unit for me =)

I hope this that helps. Although typically LSD's do perform the same, I always look a plus side of using a product.


thanks hayaimoto thats good info. now im leaning into a kaaz 2way.

[az_240]

I have a cusco 2 way.... its pretty nice. didnt chatter with the auto at all.

Swapped in a manual tranny with light weight flywheel and 6 puck clutch and it chatters and clunks

I think im gona go with the new Kaaz 2 way after this one.

[Irukandji]

I've heard that Nismo are the quietest of all of the 2-wayss.



It's all bullshit. I'm running a Nismo on my Z, and nissan advertises it as being "civilized" and quiet, but it clunks just as much as my Tomei. I don't give a shit though, it rocks

For the record, Kaaz and Tomei are pretty much the same diff. VERY small differences so just go with either one

[flytwa78]

I have a Nismo 2-way but I am thinking of some day getting a Kaaz.

[thatdrifterguy]

I have a Nismo 2-way but I am thinking of some day getting a Kaaz.
can i have your nismo then?:boink:

[tt99ol]

i did my first event with a vlsd then got a kaaz, world of difference, you dont have to try as hard

[Edcel]

Weld Locd v.3 ftw!!!
some people cant handle it.
cheapest, no need to service, and perfect for drifting if thats your goal.

[Dousan_PG]

lsd is an lsd
id go w/ kaaz just for the support alone
any lsd is worth the money
but the support is the added bonus w/ kaaz!

[azndoc]

With Tomei you can purchase extra plates that can be fitted on.

Don't know if the KAAZ ones do that.

Here's the page with the info.

http://www.tomei-p.co.jp/_2003web-catalogue/efr_set-from_top-menu/efr_index_t-trax-ad_rset_2.htm

Plus I run Tomei. Don't you want to be cool just like me?

[CKAMC]

I have a cusco 2 way.... its pretty nice. didnt chatter with the auto at all.

Swapped in a manual tranny with light weight flywheel and 6 puck clutch and it chatters and clunks

I think im gona go with the new Kaaz 2 way after this one.

Sounds like somethin else happened....

It's all bullshit. I'm running a Nismo on my Z, and nissan advertises it as being "civilized" and quiet, but it clunks just as much as my Tomei. I don't give a shit though, it rocks

For the record, Kaaz and Tomei are pretty much the same diff. VERY small differences so just go with either one

Depends on the model of the Nismo LSD, they have like 4 variations. The SS or maybe its a lower trim model LSD (I just remember its that ubber cheap one) is the one most people put quiet along with nismo.... but it also has the fewest plates out of any aftermarket LSD I know of.

[Silverbullet]

i dont think you'll get a real answer out of this thread basing on function. Everyone will say get X brand because they are bias of what they have. Also, I was under the impression that Tomei and Kaaz were made by the same manufacture.

if its a stright up drift car, go with ATS =)

If you daily it, get a Nismo. They are not as harsh.

[ripnbst]

get the new Kaaz Unit.

[Jung918]

I bought a brand new Kaaz but the older model. The older model has 8 clutch plates and the newer ones have 16. From what I hear, the newer ones feels like it slips. I talked to Ray (one of the owners of Kaaz USA) and he said it feels like it but it does not slip. I also talked to one of his former employees and he said it felt like it slipped because it does indeed slip. So I choose to go with the older one to be safe. However, the older ones are a pain. You need 2 left side viscous output shafts. Another option is to get 2 right side open output shafts and machine them down which cost me $80.

[az_240]

Sounds like somethin else happened....



uhh I installed a 6 puck clutch.... only clunks around certain corners and reverse. Doesnt bother me.... passengers like to bitch about it:jerkit:

[GSXRJJordan]

If you're just interested in drifting at the track, a welded diff will work fine for you. Driving a welded diff with a stiff race-type clutch on the street is no fun, though, so I run a Tomei - it works flawlessly (grabs when i want it to, doesn't grab when i don't), isn't that loud (barely noticeable), and I found it used in great condition with 5-bolt axles for $600.

Beat that. Now you won't need the axles, so you should be able to find a good used 2way in the pumpkin for about $500. Do it. Use the forums. Do it now. Do it.

[240love]

well i found my nismo 2 way for 400 bucks new but i dont know if that beats yours

[k's_silvia2.0]

I might be getting my Kazz soon.

[Irukandji]

If you're just interested in drifting at the track, a welded diff will work fine for you. Driving a welded diff with a stiff race-type clutch on the street is no fun, though, so I run a Tomei - it works flawlessly (grabs when i want it to, doesn't grab when i don't), isn't that loud (barely noticeable), and I found it used in great condition with 5-bolt axles for $600.

Beat that. Now you won't need the axles, so you should be able to find a good used 2way in the pumpkin for about $500. Do it. Use the forums. Do it now. Do it.



Easy, I got my Tomei 2 way for $370. Buddy hooked me up.

Let's not turn this into another "welded diff vs lsd thread" those thigns suck

[Flybert]

If I did it all over again, I'd go Kaaz for the support. I'm pretty sure kaaz can rebuild tomei diffs since kaaz manufactures tomei diffs but I'd rather support the stateside company. I personally have a tomei technichal trax and it's been working great for 4 years now.

[iROYAL]

I enjoy my welded diff

[Sonic Motor]

i got a tomei. Its fucking awesome. Totally recommend 2 way. I drifted my friend's kaaz, it feels kind of the same. But my tomei is a BIT more aggressive.

Btw, if you want tomei 2 way. Pm me, I might have a brand new one.

[AznDrftr.]

Im gettin a KAAZ. heard good things about it.

[hayaimoto]

Trust me guys, KAAZ is the way to go. You wont even need to rebuild your KAAZ LSD if you just using for mild competition and daily driving. But if you ever need to, they sell EVERY LITTLE PIECE to rebuild your LSD. And if you dont want to perform the work yourself, KAAZ USA can perform the overhaul for you!

FOR EVERYONE THAT IS SAYING THEIR TOMEI IS BETTER THEN KAAZ...HOW THE F#CK CAN THAT BE WHEN TOMEI LSD'S ARE MANUFACTURED BY KAAZ?????

Just tell the truth, it will set you free.

=)

[jackjack]

love kaaz. nice and quiet.

[k's_silvia2.0]

Trust me guys, KAAZ is the way to go. You wont even need to rebuild your KAAZ LSD if you just using for mild competition and daily driving. But if you ever need to, they sell EVERY LITTLE PIECE to rebuild your LSD. And if you dont want to perform the work yourself, KAAZ USA can perform the overhaul for you!

FOR EVERYONE THAT IS SAYING THEIR TOMEI IS BETTER THEN KAAZ...HOW THE F#CK CAN THAT BE WHEN TOMEI LSD'S ARE MANUFACTURED BY KAAZ?????

Just tell the truth, it will set you free.

=)

OHHHH SNAP!!!!!!!
Tell em yo.

[t . b o z]

I have the ATS Deftforce 2-way. I love it!!!

I've noticed that my diff is a lot less noisy in comparison to my friend's cars. A couple have the Kaaz, and some have the Nismo.

[fwuffy squirrel]

Hayaimoto everytime you post I picture this in my head...

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/3785/hayaimotosl6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

[drifting.8]

just a bit of info... if ur looking for a kazz its the way to go.. but u must understand that kazz makes the expensive 2 way cusco diff's for CUSCO..

[az_240]

^ahahahahahhahahahha I love it when people spread incorrect info.

[hayaimoto]

Hayaimoto everytime you post I picture this in my head...

http://img140.imageshack.us/img140/3785/hayaimotosl6.jpg (http://imageshack.us)


AHHAHAHA! That just made my day man! =)

[fwuffy squirrel]

lol thx I love when I make others happy :p

you know what would make me happy....is giving me whats on your sig :x:

[hijack3d]

yeah i have thought bout welded diff, but i rather go with a 2way, at the practice i talked to a few people and they were running nismo 2way lsd, but i guess there are two kind of nismo ones.

Yup. I'm actually researching this stuff too (I blew my VLSD during an event at Willow Springs), but am actually going w/ the 1.5way clutch type from the Z31 Turbo. I know that Nismo makes a diff that can be "converted" from a 1.5way to a 2way (maybe Kaaz also?), but I don't really have any idea how that plays out. Maybe someone has more info on that...

[az_240]

^thats how cusco's diffs are.....
http://www.cusco.co.jp/en/parts_product/products/lsd_typers_typemz.html

The cam is rotated to switch from 1~2 way

Or you could get the 1.5~2 way diff.... cant have all 3

[j20accord00]

i have a kaaz and my buddy has a nismo. the nismo is not as loud and my kaaz. The looks i get from people when i turn into a parking space is priceless..I love my kaaz. ALTHOUGH I am moving onto other things not right now (still keeping my SR 240) but selling things i dont "really" need. so my kaaz is up for sale. check out my thread. call my cell if you want it we can work something out.

-Evan

[drifting.8]

^ahahahahahhahahahha I love it when people spread incorrect info.

I was told by a friend of mine who works for kazz that says they make cusco diffs for cusco.. instead of being an ass please prove me wrong:D

[mnguyen1125]

i had the old kaaz diff and now i got the newer version kaaz diff and shit lock great and if u set a tomei diff and kaaz diff its the same exact shit and it is true that kaaz makes tomei and prolly couple diff out there but any 2way is the same lock up the same so just do your research very but but if u want my opnion i would go for kaaz

[overb0ost]

i got a nismo gt pro 2way. definetely NOT a QUIET LSD. its real quiet with nismo oil but anything else it clunks DAMN loud. locks good too.

lsd is an lsd. as long as it does the job and reliable, that is all you need.

[zomgdrft]

I run a kaaz I believe. I'm not sure, I bought it from one of the importers here in town. It came out of an S13 housing, and it had a kaaz sticker on the outside of the housing so I'm assuming it is ;) Just swapped the carrier into my s14 housing and was golden. Used 5 bolt shafts and axels. It's a man-beast of a thing, hah sometimes noisy around certain turns, but its awesome.

[articdragon192]

Kazz and Tomei are basically the same thing. I took my friend's Tomei one to be rebuilt at Kaaz by Ray. The only difference he notice, the cone spring was different between the two. That's it.

[driftjunky]

i had a Kaaz 2way and i loved it

[Slow Poke]

Kaaz may be the shit for the Nissan apps but there Honda difs BLOW (not that any of you care). They all break in the same spot with little power applied and all Kaaz says is "thats where they always break". It will be 370$ to repair/replace + shipping. This happened to me and countless other people on the forums. Although this is not a 2-way we are talking about.

I was only breaking the car in @ 370ish at the time when it left me stranded. Trashed that hunk of shit and went with a quaife. I never looked back, 782HP and over 20k on this LSD now with 0 problems. Not to mention there lifetime warranty.

Kaaz certainly never impressed me or any of the other Honda community with there service. Shit an OBX holds more power then there POS and thats been proven quite a few times.

For this sole reason I do not support Kaaz AT ALL.

[tt99ol]

so kaaz hates wrong wheel drive? neat

[CAPoweredS14]

I'm curious about a couple things. What do these diffs take for maintanece? How often do you change oil? I won't be abusing the diff so I don't need the best. I'm sure for my application a Kaaz/Tomei or Nismo will work fine but I'm curious as to how much babysitting I will need to do.

[chohdog]

For a daily driven car, change the fluid once every 8,000 or so miles and you should probably be fine. For a car that sees open track or drifting, change as often as you can.

As for the KAAZ diffs for Hondas breaking, I don't think they were designed for 782 hp. KAAZ diffs were designed for road racing, which usually has hondas in the viscinity of 250 and lower horsepower. I'd imagine you'd buy a kaaz for its effectiveness in road racing, where 782hp in a civic is the same a 5 horsepower.

[GSXRJJordan]

props on a big hp civic, because understeer is cool lol. j/k, seriously though, that's a shit-ton of beastlyness.

About he Kaaz brand/product, I just think that this is a nice lesson in "lets actually talk about what we're talking about", which is 2way LSDs in S-chassis cars. Kaaz rocks. By extension, my Tomei rocks too :)

About diff fluid - the rule is basically what chohdog said - change your diff fluid every few oil changes, or every other track day. You won't really notice the diff start to slip (because of dirty fluid) until you change it, and feel it lock hard again. It's cool :)

Fluid's expensive though :(

[Slow Poke]

so kaaz hates wrong wheel drive? neat

HAHA Yeah your funny...

As for the KAAZ diffs for Hondas breaking, I don't think they were designed for 782 hp. KAAZ diffs were designed for road racing, which usually has hondas in the viscinity of 250 and lower horsepower. I'd imagine you'd buy a kaaz for its effectiveness in road racing, where 782hp in a civic is the same a 5 horsepower.

I never ran the diff at that power, it was under 400 closer to 350. It was fine on the dyno, took it out on the track to test her out at that power and it took a shit on me (axle poped out and after further inspection, it was toast). The dam stock axles held more power then the dif did. Not that PLENTY of people haven't broken theres on less power.

I think if they built it specifically for road racing they would have made a 2 way app instead of just the 1.5 way. Although 2 way would totally suck on the streets in a FWD app. And that is a lame excuse anyway, they hold over 500 on a 240 and the 240 came with less power stock. Enplane that...

props on a big hp civic, because understeer is cool lol. j/k, seriously though, that's a shit-ton of beastlyness.


I didn't get much understeer with my setup when I used to RR. (Much smaller turbo ;) ) Just because a car is FWD does not mean it's going to understeer! In stock configuration most will for safety reasons but were are not talking stock here. Truth is FWD and AWD usually own AutoX and RR tracks given the cars were setup the same as far as power, weight, suspension and such.

The fact of the matter is that I as well as other people have received poor customer service from Kaaz. To each there own though.

[Sonic Motor]

About diff fluid - the rule is basically what chohdog said - change your diff fluid every few oil changes, or every other track day. You won't really notice the diff start to slip (because of dirty fluid) until you change it, and feel it lock hard again. It's cool :)

Fluid's expensive though :(

I havent changed my diff fluid for like 6 or 7 events, still locks up awesome on my tomei. And agreed that fluid is fucking expensive. :(

[chohdog]

Nobody makes a 2-way diff for front wheel drive because it induces lots of understeer. I think that perhaps you got a faulty unit, because KAAZ is among the best part manufacturers in the world.

Not changing your diff fluid won't effect how performs in the short term, but the particles that get trapped in the fluid greatly increase wear. Think about it, there's no filter to remove contaminates so the fluid then becomes like an abrasive on all the parts in the differential. While not enough to cause a catastrauphic failure, they do significantly shorten the life span of the clutches. Not only that, but depending on the grade of gear oil you use, you could be increase wear if you've overheated the oil.

Even though its recommended to use each manufacturer's fluid, any hypoid gear oil which is GL-4 approved is more than adequate. Its worth it to change every so often and spend $8 for two bottles, rather than have to overhaul a diff unit prematurely.

[bman]

Kaaz 2way no complaints. Drifts like a champ.

[EJ253]

if the car sees the track somewhat often, how soon will you need a rebuild?

im debating between a cusco 2way (for about $400) or welding the diff from my s13 shell and throwing it in my s14.

im just nervous about buying the cusco 2way and it needing a rebuild right away.

what do you guys think?




PS i didnt think i needed to make a new thread, so i just bumped this one up