Gt35r And Gt3076r Guys Post Here

[Z U L8R]

i'm gonna step up my turbo and i wanted to see the dyno graph comparisons of a 35r and a 3076r. please post your dyno and list your mods, such as cams or no cams, stroked or non, nitrous or without, octane, etc. so far my gt30/71r has tapped out at 22psi with 441rwhp/381rwtq , stock cams, 100octane. here's my graph

Blue = 20psi 93 octane with 3.54 rear end
Red = 14psi 93 octane with 3.54 rear end
Pink = 20psi 93 octane (old tune) with 4.11 rear end

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc313/Z_U_L8R/dyno.jpg

[Z U L8R]

you can see on low boost (14psi the red run) my torque carries all the way to red line. but on hi boost (pump gas 20psi) after 6k my turbo runs out of steam and the torque falls off a little. i'm rb25det on basically a stock motor with bolt ons. stock compression is 9:1, i have wiseco 8.5:1 compression pistons but they're 20 over so that kind of evens itself out. other than that stock rods, arp head studs, commetic 1.2mm HG, stock head, stock cam. pistons and bolt ons basically.

basically i'd like 600rwhp or close to it, but i hear the 35r is a laggy summabich. so i was talking with Precision and the gt30/76r is the next step up from my 3071, and after that would be the 35r. Precision makes a gt30/76r with a 60mm inducer. to give you an idea, my 30/71 has a 53mm inducer and a 35r has a 61mm inducer. so it sounds like it'd kick ass. i just wanna compare some graphs and see when these different turbo's kick in and how much they actually make to the wheels before i shell out the big bucks lol. thx
Dave =]

[KA-T_240]

if you want over 500whp. just go with the gt35r. The 3076R maybe is going ot get you there, but you willl need other mods to in IMO get that high.

On your rb25, that gt35r shouldnt be that laggy. I am going to soon be upgrading to a non ball bearing gt35. turbo has mad 633whp at 33psi on stock head KA

[Ghostdrifter]

How much HP were you putting down at FD Atl, cause that shit was crazy. The GT35R IS a laggy SOB, my friend put one on a D16YZ(idiot). If you want 600rwhp w/ a single turbo though you don't have much of a choice. A GT3076 is gonna quite get you there.

[Z U L8R]

yeah, they're saying it'd probably get me 520-540rwhp maxing out the 30/76r with the gangsta inducer.....then i was thinking some kelford 264's with 8.5mm lift for another 20-30, and depending on the final numbers after that maybe i'll put some spray in it muwhahahhahhaha.

all in all though i'm sure there's somebody with a 35r on an rb25 and i just wanna see how laggy that bastard is lol. it might not be as bad as i'm thinking.

fyi. the xs power top mount rb25 manifolds are pretty damn good. they look good on the outside, inside could definately be a little cleaner but all in all you can't beat it for the money. they come with 38mm external wastegate flanges (that's what i'm running with a tial 38mm), but in all honesty if you have a good turbo, 38mm is just a tad too small for a 25, i'm going 44mm. i might just swap flanges or i might cut the whole runner off and put a bigger diameter pipe and then the 44mm flange and gate on there. it'll go 20 then mid way through kiss 21psi. which ain't too bad and you can tune around that but low boost is a little more creep since the wastegates open full tilt but just can't release enough pressure. just thought i'd recommend that. it doesn't really matter, since your tune is for [email protected]/21psi and then u just turn the boost down to 14psi, for low boost. it's not gonna hurt your motor is what i'm saying. but since i'm going with a bigger turbo though it's more important now that i don't creep so that's why i'm upgrading the w/g. just thought a little helpful info would be useful.

*update*.....there are bigger displacement motors, with bigger turbos running 38mm w/g without any creep....the problem may just be i need to move the little tabs on the back of the profec that the instructions say "if boost creeps, set the tabs like this -_-_ we'll see how that goes.

i'm still searching for the perfect turbo. keep the info coming. i still haven't seen any other dyno graphs lol, thx again
Dave =]

[mayco_86]

i'm gonna step up my turbo and i wanted to see the dyno graph comparisons of a 35r and a 3076r. please post your dyno and list your mods, such as cams or no cams, stroked or non, nitrous or without, octane, etc. so far my gt30/71r has tapped out at 22psi with 441rwhp/381rwtq , stock cams, 100octane. here's my graph

Blue = 20psi 93 octane with 3.54 rear end
Red = 14psi 93 octane with 3.54 rear end
Pink = 20psi 93 octane (old tune) with 4.11 rear end

http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc313/Z_U_L8R/dyno.jpg


Thats a nice set up you have there. Do you have a 1/4 mile time.

[steve shadows]

This is funny to me because Ive tuned an SR to 430 whp at 22 psi on a stock bottom end with no extra fabrication or crazy parts and the .63 3071R. Just 264 cams valve springs metal hg and greddy IM.

What is up with your tune? This is on an RB too...haha.

Well.

It really depends on your EMS and who Tunes it and what dyno they use for the mid range exploitation and manipulation of load based timing adjustments.

But if we are talking just at throwing turbos at the problem.

The gt35R will spool up fast on the RB25, IE like a gt3071R does on a properly setup SR.

Maybe faster

Its highly efficent and in your case the gt30 turbine might actually be stifling to flow at higher CFM ranges than the gt35 turbine.

The gt35R is 600whp capable (on DJ readout) for a 6 cylinder in that dis range. I would go .82 housing also.

I have a gt3076R with a 60mm inducer on an SR20DET with stock compression ratio and pistons/rods and same mods i listed above for the 3071r setup.

This turbo spools up at 4500 on an SR. It will be just a slightly loss in spool compared to the 3071R on your 6 cyl.

If I were you I would man up and go gt35R, put some longer duration cams and get a good standalone (unless you already have an EMS)>

A gt35r is only laggy on small engines (engines smaller than 2.2) I mean it depends on what you call laggy.

Laggy to me is less than 2000 rpms of power band. Laggy to some on this board who want magic v8 turb numbers from these japanese cars is less than 4000 rpms of power band.

35R signed sealed and delivered. .63 or .78 housing.

[DJButton]

Just some food for thought, on other forums guys have seen great spooling with the GT35 on RB25's. The GT3076 is a better matched turbo on an RB20 even with the 60mm inducer, in my opinion.

[sr20boostn20]

^^^^ IMO a gt35r does not belong on a single cam honda, does not move nearly enough air to get it to spool quick. that car probably had a crazy top end

for my man with the z tho i remember your other thread was about drag racing, if you already have a nice t3 manifold then go with a gt35r, BUT if you dont have a manifold already then im sayin you get a nice t4 manifold and run a gt4088r with the .95 maby the 1.06 housing i think you'll have your self a nice drag set up.

[Z U L8R]

Thats a nice set up you have there. Do you have a 1/4 mile time.

thx mayco
here's the vid of the 1/4 mile pass
http://youtube.com/watch?v=X9JAj3DY6E8
with a fantastic 2.1 60 foot on pep boys s-rated 245/60/14 bfg all terrains with one wheel peel 4.11 open diff lol >_<

This is funny to me because Ive tuned an SR to 430 whp at 22 psi on a stock bottom end with no extra fabrication or crazy parts and the .63 3071R. Just 264 cams valve springs metal hg and greddy IM.

What is up with your tune? This is on an RB too...haha.

that's a weird comparison though. like what did that same sr20 make without cams/springs? my 22psi was on stock cams, stock head, stock springs and stock bottom end. if i had cams too that would add another 20 or so, plus with springs it'd rev even more and make more power since the motor doesn't quit. this was tuned for 93 [email protected], i just put in the 100octane and ran 2 more psi that's why around 5200 it wigs out a little with that dip. this was a 12.0 a/f ratio across the board. this dyno was with stock bottom end and stock top end, 1.2mm hg, arp's, and greddy intake. on another pass it made 440/381 but this is the run we printed out with the 3.54 to compare it with the old tune with the 4.11 at 100octane 22psi to see how much sooner the power kicked in with the gearing giving the turbo more load. oh and i finally got him to update it to say rb25 instead of rb20 lol. here's the 22psi 3.54 dyno http://i214.photobucket.com/albums/cc313/Z_U_L8R/441dyno22psi100octane.jpg

don't get me wrong though, 430 on an sr20 is frickin great:rawk: good job :) i'm using power fc. at that time we were just using the commander which is tedious cell by cell, pull after pull. lately another friend's been letting me borrow his datalogit and labtop which saves time. if i could do it all over again though i'd get the aem ems. 2 step, map sensor etc etc aem ems for teh win in my opinion.

listening to you guys, and talking with a couple more people and also with my tuner. he's got a turbo he's putting together that he wants to try and we'll see how that goes. but i finally got to talk with my friend who's got an rb25 with a gt35r. he said at 19psi on pump he was 500rwhp/420rwtq with stock head/cams/and even stock intake manifold. then he put in pon cams (256 8.5mm lift) and a greddy intake mani and 24psi on race gas he was 560rwhp. he said it'd make 20psi around 4k so all in all if my tuner's turbo doesn't do what we're looking for, i'll man up and get me that 35r :P .63 a/r exhaust though :P haha but aftetr talking with him i'm surprised. 35r ain't laggy at all =] (less than 2.5k rpm of powerband is laggy to me)

keep the info coming
and lemme see some damn dyno's plz =]
thx again fellas,
Dave

[Z U L8R]

sr20boostn20 : i agree with everything u said. and i know i drag my car....but i don't want an all out drag car...if you know what i mean. honestly i just want a 10 second pass, and then own some more domestics with nitrous around my part of town and i'm good LOL

i broke my "new" (been in for 2 weeks) rb20 tranny on the way home from work today rolling into third gear. soon as it hit 20 psi my tranny said "gdflkdjfggkjhiurggjigjfijfg" i don't know why i did but i was on the side of the interstate and i called my tuner....he picked me up and my car on his trailer. on the way home he tells me to open up this box, and in it is his frankenstein turbo to try out.

i see the exhaust side first.....
hmmmm .63 a/r ok....it's temp coated....sweet, i turn it over, daaaaaaaayuuum!! dats a big ass compressor housing!...on the label was written in sharpie....gt4082r 68 trim...i think it's a .72 a/r compressor housing. i have no clue how that joker's gonna fit but by golley we're gonna pop that big summabich on there and GIT R DUNN! lol

i'll let yall know how it goes.......on a side note.....anyone know someone who's put an s13 rear subframe in an s30 (280z chassis)??? and can i put my rb20 front bellhousing on a z32 tranny and have myself an "rb25 tranny?" of course once i redo my driveshaft that i just got back and installed before leaving work today with some nice REMOVEABLE ford u-joints and a thicker / balanced shaft AHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH. *sigh

screw the r200 i'm going ford 9inch roflmeowz

i love you guys lol
Dave =]

[steve shadows]

yeah man id help you out with dynos but I only have sr's

and DD at that which arent as cool to look at because they are usually 15% lower readout than what your guy probably uses (dynojet).

haha

35R trust me you will be happy. That turbo can make a car fast just by sitting in the passener seat.

If i ever build another drag garbage project Ill be going 35R.

I used the T61- which is the same comp wheel, but that 35R turbine wheel is where the real R and D is.

Oh and stick to ball bearing, if your tuner is putting together somethig that isnt ball bearing and you have already had a taste of BB your going to hate your life.

I know I do most of the time, more so on turbos bigger than gt30, its a must.

Glad to see another Drag racer on here.

cheers

Im going to the drag strip next weekend. looking for 11s on drs on 91 octane

god i hate 91 octane

[rps13drift]

Listen to mr shadows! he knows his shit! I actualy went for a ride in 2 cars running a similar turbo to the gt35r (sc61)this month! A galant vr4 and a mark3 supra. On the galant you you had to wait for the boost but once it hit holy shit! the speedo went ape shit! on the supra It make full boost right around 4000rpms and also pulls like a ma fucker! The kid with the supra just dynoed at 416 whp with just injectors and a safc at 16psi! pretty impressive. I realy dont think you will be sad with a gt35r. I havent met 1 person who was

[Z U L8R]

steve: i'm definately with you on the once you go BB , journal sux. we'll see what happens with his turbo, and if we don't like it, then i probably will end up 35r and if i get a wild hair i may go 40r ftw. thx again bro, good luck at the track, and pm me some vids if you get any footage =]
take care guys
Dave =]

[mayco_86]

That was a nice run for not having slicks. Am sure you will end up getting into the 10sec range if you upgrade to a gt35r and a set of good slicks.

[nevaland9]

sweet car, i <3 Datsuns
hahaha for the depressing pinks song.

[burnsauto]

+1 for steve shadows.

if you're worried about lag so much, and if you've got the money... A twin scroll setup would really help out spool and def. get you at that 10 second mark.

but...i realize thats a good amount of money, and 99% of all the people on here are working on a budget. good luck though, love the vid!

[rps13drift]

Fuck twin scroll!!!!!!!! there i said it!!! IMO twinscroll is so hyped up. I havent seen one dyno that actualy proves anything. Every one just says it just feels faster.

[daryl337]

I also would opt for the 3582R... I think you will find that it is pleasantly versatile if you can move enough air for it (which your 2.5 should have no problem doing)...


Yes, the turbo should be able to get you into the 10's...

[steve shadows]

there are good applications and purposes for twin scroll.

but if your building a drag car especially its really not worth the money by itself imo.

For any other racing as more and more buy and express comparisons Im starting to belive its not just all hype.

I will be trying one out next year early if everything works out hopefully.

[rps13drift]

there are good applications and purposes for twin scroll.

but if your building a drag car especially its really not worth the money by itself imo.

For any other racing as more and more buy and express comparisons Im starting to belive its not just all hype.

I will be trying one out next year early if everything works out hopefully.

Get out of here! mr antitwinscroll himself! Whats with the sudden change of heart? Now i will have nobody to fuck twinscroll its all hype with:confused:

[bigOdom1]

steve how long did the sr last with the setup of cams/springs/greddy im/ stock bottom end? i want to use this turbo but im not ready for a rebuild but i could do cams intake mani turbo bigger injectors and new tune

[rps13drift]

steve how long did the sr last with the setup of cams/springs/greddy im/ stock bottom end? i want to use this turbo but im not ready for a rebuild but i could do cams intake mani turbo bigger injectors and new tune
It will last plenty as long as youre tune is good! and use the proper octane fuel when youre boost is up. Im personaly running a gt3076r on my stock bottom end sr20.

[steve shadows]

im still beating the shit out of it everyday

im around 420-440whp on pump gas

cali pump gas right now

(its been about shrugs* a year straight?)

Im planning on having it last another full year before I finish building the other block I have as a 2.1 litre with 9:1.

[sr20boostn20]

^^^ im with you fuck a twin scroll, and on those full race manifolds where the divided manis have dual 44mm wastegates, is just a sweet lookin way to spend 800 dollars on wastegates. and shave of a couple rpms of spool time.

yea i kno dual wastegates boost creep issues, bla bla whatever,


but back to the Z man, I defiantly know what your sayin about the all out drag car. im running a turbonetics gtk550 on my redtop its gets me full boost at like 52-5300, and i drive the car almost everyday. the car is good on gas and gets me to where i gotta go but unless your on the highway the power is pretty much not there, your rockin a 6 cyl though so i feel like you could kinda push the lag limit with a bigger turbo, if you do go with the 35r you gotta get at least the .82 turbine and maby the 1.06. there is no in between on that one, like the .95 like on the 4088. the 4088 is a popular turbo thats been getting hondas into the high 9s, and netting 6-700 hp on a honda motor.

again im just giving you some options, but either way you'll see 10s no doubt,

good luck post the vid when u hit it, im going to the track sunday looking for mid 11s on 93 octane for the fact that i have no cage yet,

[steve shadows]

Get out of here! mr antitwinscroll himself! Whats with the sudden change of heart? Now i will have nobody to fuck twinscroll its all hype with:confused:

No, I just want to do a totally sterile head to head comparison.

because everyone is so in love with Geoff's wiener there seems to be no real frank understanding or expalnation of the goal vs money.

So Ill probably have one custom made (because its cheaper) and run a single WG (because my engine actually runs properly because im not a total dip shit and dont need duals) and compare it to my single peak boost.

[sr20boostn20]

because everyone is so in love with Geoff's wiener there seems to be no real frank understanding or expalnation of the goal vs money.




that dude is like mr hype, there was a full race booth at evo sti day at englishtown nj a few weeks ago, and geoff was there. everyone i know cam back and was all omg i met geoff raice from full race he is like the coolest dude, like they were in middle school with a man crush on the man,

[Z U L8R]

i see now we're getting somewhere =]

the debate now is how much different would spool be on a 35r with the .63 compared to the .82 and how much power difference is there really to be lost or gained, realistically on the 25. shake the magic 8 ball lol
preciate all the info fellas.

fyi, i'm a broke ass mofo like the rest of us rofl. i rattle canned that primer cause i got tired of looking at half yellow, half primer, and a bunch of rust spots rofl my pockets ain't fat just yet :P

thx again,
Dave =]

[steve shadows]

the .82 vs. .63 is even less of a probem with a 6 cyl at your disp.

It just depends on what you want. If its drag only I would go .82.

.82 t3 GT35R

or GT4088R .84


the 35r will still outspool and IMO is a better choice because it will still be responsive enough on the street to pick up and go in a pinch

[daryl337]

A .82's flow characteristics will help you so much more on the high end... As far as spool characteristics... I have never owned both on the same motor so it is hard to me to tell...

[rps13drift]

i see now we're getting somewhere =]

the debate now is how much different would spool be on a 35r with the .63 compared to the .82 and how much power difference is there really to be lost or gained, realistically on the 25. shake the magic 8 ball lol
preciate all the info fellas.

fyi, i'm a broke ass mofo like the rest of us rofl. i rattle canned that primer cause i got tired of looking at half yellow, half primer, and a bunch of rust spots rofl my pockets ain't fat just yet :P

thx again,
Dave =]

Well i know from a dyno comparison from hybrid dynamics the gt35r .63 spooled about 800rpms sooner than the .82 but it lacked about 50whp up top that the .82 had. And this was on an sr20 . so you have half a liter more displacement. My educated guess would be you would make full boost it the mid 4000 rpm area with a .82 housing and not sacrafice any top end power! do it up!

[ripnbst]

Go with the .82 on the 35R, but before we get all 35R crazy did you try out your tuners hybrid turbo? How'd that work out?

[Z U L8R]

i'm too ADD to read the whole turbo map 101,102,103 hahahah. i read some of it though.

anyways, thx again everybody. i'll definately keep you posted. i usually post my 1/4 mile and street ownage vids in the general chat section. here's one u might like if u haven't seen it yet.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ctxV2CbYNg0

ps. i sold my rb25 tranny for 900bucks about 8 months ago. but since my rb20 trannies keep doing jihads i was shopping for one today....$650 sounds like a deal, i could pick it up tomorrow and i have a spare 25 shifter jic

[Z U L8R]

ok. i got a z32 tranny for $300 ftmfw, we're gonna make an adapter to bolt it to right up to my 25 =]

z32 tranny for teh win, i think i'll break my r200 before i break this tranny =]

[steve shadows]

ok. i got a z32 tranny for $300 ftmfw, we're gonna make an adapter to bolt it to right up to my 25 =]

z32 tranny for teh win, i think i'll break my r200 before i break this tranny =]


I think youll die of cacer before you break an R200

[Z U L8R]

i think i'll die of cancer anyways rofl =]

[WizardBlack]

Twin scroll is for squeezing the umpteenth millisecond of spool out of it and not much else.
Get a 35R and better cams. 2.5L shouldn't be making only 360 wtq with what you have. You have more in store with those two bits. Just because it (might possibly) take a few hundred rpm more time to spool doesn't mean it ever makes less torque than your current turbo.
Nice car, BTW. Doing the holset thing as the first go-around on my L28E before deciding between RB26 and RB25 (or maybe VH45DETT).

[Z U L8R]

thx man =]

putting the z32 tranny in there atm, then we'll do 1 more dyno with the 30r. then we'll try out the frankenstein turbo to compare =] i'll post the dyno's up

[sr20boostn20]

i just got back to the track i went 11.47 @ 123 with the gtk 550, .85 exhaust housing on a 26" tire

[mayco_86]

i'm too ADD to read the whole turbo map 101,102,103 hahahah. i read some of it though.

anyways, thx again everybody. i'll definately keep you posted. i usually post my 1/4 mile and street ownage vids in the general chat section. here's one u might like if u haven't seen it yet.
http://youtube.com/watch?v=ctxV2CbYNg0

ps. i sold my rb25 tranny for 900bucks about 8 months ago. but since my rb20 trannies keep doing jihads i was shopping for one today....$650 sounds like a deal, i could pick it up tomorrow and i have a spare 25 shifter jic

Nice video man. Keep us posted with them. Your car is awsome man.

[CKAMC]

Ever consider a GT3040? a twin scroll @ .78 A/R sounds like the perfect blend of decent low to mid without loosing all the top end.

Only problem I see is finding some dyno's on a 2.5L straight six to back up the theory :(

[Z U L8R]

sounds interesting.

11.47 nice frickin pass, what was your 60foot? i wanna see video if you got some =] those 26" are slicks? dr's?

[sr20boostn20]

sounds interesting.

11.47 nice frickin pass, what was your 60foot? i wanna see video if you got some =] those 26" are slicks? dr's?

im waitin on the vids they're on my friends camera,

on the 11.52 i cut a 1.577 60ft and on the 11.47 i cut a 1.717 60ft

26" M/T drags

[Z U L8R]

sweet ass =]
i'm too scurred to put slicks on right now.

you weigh in your car? you're sr20 @ 20psi on ______ 30r? what kind of numbers? congrats on some nice times man can't wait to see the vids. u were movin =]

[CKAMC]

Jackpot

I have an R33 GTS25t with 135,000kms on the original motor- still completely stock internals. It has a Internally Gated Garrett GT3076R (.82a/r turbine housing) with GTS Link ECU, Nismo 555cc Injectors, Walbro 500hp fuel pump and stainless low mount exhaust manifold on mine. The car is currently tuned at ~15psi, I need an electronic boost controller to get it to hold a steady 15 or 16psi to get me some decent midrange and gain a bit in peak power. The internal gate isn't providing a very steady boost curve at this stage - peak power is hit at 14.2psi, so easy power so far.

http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q95/mrlith/LITHGT30R.jpg

I can imagine how much better this would look with twin scroll, cams, external wastegate, and top mount..... :drool:

http://www.gtr.co.uk/forum/upload/72108-rb25det-skyline-gts-gtt-owners-post-your-engine-pics-spec-power-4.html#post769145

[sr20boostn20]

im weighing in at 2550 w/o driver 2750 with me in it, thats with a half a tank of gas, full leather interior minus the spare and the trunk interior.

the motor is 93 octane runing 18lbs of boost, on a turbonetics gtk 550 t3 inlet and turbonetics says its a 88mm turbine wheel and a 61mm compressor wheel i feel like the compressor wheel is bigger though i havent measured it my self yet.

on stock 1989 nissan supension, im in the process of doing the suspension now i think im going with hks hipermax drags,

[Z U L8R]

ya i asked what turbo , then i read your previous post before was like oh duh gtk550. that's the baller turbo +1 lol

hopefully we can finish getting this tranny up so we can make one more dyno with the 30r, then it's time to blow my motor wit da frankenstein lol custom Turbo Dave 68 trim 40r lol.

[slow40]

GREAT FUCKING THREAD!!

sweet datsun Z U L8R. rb ftw

i got a Neo6 from an R34 i've got torn down (adding some 9.5:1 CP's), was debating on the 3076r or 35, needless to say when the time comes i'll be getting the 35.



keep it up mang

[Z U L8R]

=] that high of compression you better AT LEAST go 35r if not 40r for teh win ^^ hahah. keep me posted on that build.

sr20boostin20, i'm surprised your tranny's holding up man, my first rb20 tranny lasted 7 months...this second one...2 weeks, i opened it up today. third gear has no teeth left muwhahahha N.O.M.D'S Nissan's of mass destruction.

right now i'm cruising in a friend's sr20 s13 hatch. he wanted me to fix some stuff for him while he's out of town. put in a lightweight flywheel i had from my old sr, safc2, exhaust and get it tuned...the timing couldn't have been more perfect since my car is down atm. should be back on the road some time this weekend. i can't wait....i miss ole betsy >_< , 9psi is a cock tease, the sound of a turbo at 20+psi is like a choir of naked cheerleaders climaxing at the same time.....*moment for a mental picture*...ahhhh, puts a smile on ur face =]

thx for that [email protected], u rock man =]

[CKAMC]

It took me a while to find that dyno, its a shame too because you would think it would be easy to find GT35 or GT30 dyno's with all the six shooters out there.

I hope it serves well for those wondering what to upgrade to, whether it be that turbo or something larger, end result it helps people calibrate(aka visualize)

[burnsauto]

the sound of a turbo at 20+psi is like a choir of naked cheerleaders climaxing at the same time.....*moment for a mental picture*...ahhhh, puts a smile on ur face =]

thx for that [email protected], u rock man =]

hahahaha, thats awesome.

[ross.cottrill]

oh well here it goes...you dont like twin scroll because you havent driven a vehicle with a properly setup twin scroll kit.thats all carry on (commence the bashing!!LOL)