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exitspeed

10-16-2007, 07:35 AM

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2008 Nissan GT-R unveiled on cover of Motor Trend

Posted Oct 16th 2007 9:12AM by Alex Nunez
Filed under: Coupes, Sports/GTs, Japan, Tokyo Motor Show, Nissan
Motor trend December 2008Today is October 16, but Motor Authority reports that the December issue of Motor Trend has begun arriving in some subscribers' mailboxes. What those readers will find on the cover is the first unmasked photo of the 2008 Nissan GT-R. According to MT's headline, the GT-R boasts a 0-60 of 3.5 seconds, an 11.7-second quarter mile, a 192 mph top speed, and a sub-$80K price. Motor Authority had no additional info, but we expect to see that explode onto the web in the immediate future as other outlets sitting on long-lead info react to the Motor Trend release. As for the car, it looks good to us. It essentially retains the GT-R Proto's appearance minus the Alice Cooper makeup under the headlamps. We'll wait for the information/photo avalanche to comment further, as we'd like to hear the final engine specs, too. Stay tuned for more. As you know already, we'll be in Japan next week to see the big reveal in person.

We're curious to know if any readers have actually received their copy of the December issue of Motor Trend, as Motor Authority doesn't make it clear if it actually has a copy in hand. The cover you see to the right is not a scan, but appears to be an image made from an actual PDF that Motor Trend staff would use to proof read the issue. In the enlarged version you can still see the cut markers where the page would be trimmed by the printer. We're not sure where Motor Authority got the image, but have already emailed Angus MacKenzie at MT to find out what's up.

RJF

10-16-2007, 08:44 AM

The Bot needs to sleep sometime :)

exitspeed

10-16-2007, 08:46 AM

The Bot needs to sleep sometime :)

Ok, well tell, him ;) he can nap on this one. I got it. :bigok:

Tearlessj

10-16-2007, 08:56 AM

Hi-res cover.

http://www.motorauthority.com/images/Odds/2007/10/Motor_Trend/motor_trend_cover_dec.jpg

exitspeed

10-16-2007, 09:10 AM

Hi-res cover.

IMAGE REMOVED DUE TO LEGAL REQUEST - RJF

Thanks.

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SimpleS14

10-16-2007, 09:55 AM

Pretty much was expecting it to look like that (even though that is not an official pic). I want to see specs and other bits once it makes its official debut.

Antihero983

10-16-2007, 09:58 AM

nice celica headlights.....:barf:

well the front end used to look decent till this crap.

hopefully they didnt butcher the rest of the car....

0100

10-16-2007, 10:01 AM

Nice find exitspeed. Can't wait to get this issue in the mail. Did the front bumper get designed by the same guy who did the X front bumper?

steve shadows

10-16-2007, 10:04 AM

nice celica headlights.....:barf:

well the front end used to look decent till this crap.

hopefully they didnt butcher the rest of the car....

z and g both look like that too

If i had 80 i would have put my order in already

nice car

drift freaq

10-16-2007, 10:06 AM

I don't care what anyone says The Hi res pics look pretty dope. I am sure its going to look even nicer in person. Those 0-60 specs put it right league with a Turbo Carrera as well and thats a pretty phenomenal 1/4 mile. I think the car is going beyond some peoples expectations and living up to others.

I do concur with Steve if I had a spare 80 right now my order would be in.

0100

10-16-2007, 10:08 AM

I wonder who leaked the cover. Maybe someone at the printer or maybe even inside MT. Huge trouble if the person(s) get caught, but who cares we get to see it early.

TheSquidd

10-16-2007, 10:13 AM

It's like a Celica and a Mitsubishi had gay sex and then the aborted fetus came out and was called GT-R.

Still... 3.5 seconds.... fuck.... I'd drive that any day. Corvette Killer? That's a Ferrari Fucker.

FaLKoN240

10-16-2007, 10:13 AM

http://www.japanesesportcars.com/images/wallpapers/celica10247.jpg

Yeah, I can see it.

drift freaq

10-16-2007, 10:16 AM

Scott your just hating because you secretly want one and don't have the cash. :D

steve shadows

10-16-2007, 10:20 AM

Still... 3.5 seconds.... fuck.... I'd drive that any day. Corvette Killer? That's a Ferrari Fucker.

my car does that on drs ;)

exitspeed

10-16-2007, 10:21 AM

First thing I thought about when I saw this was:

I want to masturbate now. But I'm at work. Darn.

Celica never popped into me head at all.

0100

10-16-2007, 10:21 AM

What worries me is why doesn't it say under $70k? No I am not trying to start another war. :D Just really curious because I thought it was going to be around $68k...

drift freaq

10-16-2007, 10:23 AM

First thing I thought about when I saw this was:

I want to masturbate now. But I'm at work. Darn.

Celica never popped into me head at all.

Nor mine, I see Aston Martin front end and Jag Front end combined with 350z. Only people who can't afford expensive cars see Celica LOL

exitspeed

10-16-2007, 10:24 AM

What worries me is why doesn't it say under $70k? No I am not trying to start another war. :D Just really curious because I thought it was going to be around $68k...

A, it says under $80k. :ugh:

B, guess you were wrong.

But no seriously, maybe they are referring to the 3.5 second one being that price. Maybe the lower performing GTR's are in the $68 k range.

Also, you have to remember, up until now, everything was nothing more then speculation.

0100

10-16-2007, 10:31 AM

A, it says under $80k. :ugh:

B, guess you were wrong.

But no seriously, maybe they are referring to the 3.5 second one being that price. Maybe the lower performing GTR's are in the $68 k range.

Also, you have to remember, up until now, everything was nothing more then speculation.

I know it says under $80k, I was wondering why it didn't say under $70k, which would mean it's going to sell for the speculated $68k price. Which it obviously is not.

Now if this is the evo version and it is going for less than $80k that would be nice.

jrmiller84

10-16-2007, 10:38 AM

I have to get rich before this thing comes out... hmmm....

0100

10-16-2007, 10:39 AM

^Robbing a bank works if you don't get caught. lol

Maybe the base is $78k with those times and the evo has even better times now that would be sick.

exitspeed

10-16-2007, 10:42 AM

^Robbing a bank works if you don't get caught. lol

Maybe the base is $78k with those times and the evo has even better times now that would be sick.

We'll have all of these answers in just 10 short days.

Oh and now that this pic has been leaked I give it til the end of the week for Official Shots from Nissan.

IIIXziuR

10-16-2007, 10:43 AM

I happened to like the Alice Cooper make up under the headlamps. Billion Dollar Babies

jackjack

10-16-2007, 11:00 AM

i'm sure the motor/tech is kick ass. imo the body looks like crap.

SiI40sx

10-16-2007, 11:07 AM

sigh.... even if i had FIFTY thousand I'd STILL have a hard time affording it..... come on lotto!!

Tearlessj

10-16-2007, 11:27 AM

sigh.... even if i had FIFTY thousand I'd STILL have a hard time affording it..... come on lotto!!
Actually 50g's as a down payment and payments shouldnt be too bad. Its a badass mutherfcuker I dont care what anyone says. Although Im not to happy about the exterior, I can see this car being one of the better looking cars in a few years. I cant wait to see this car in person.

I bet its ganna have dealer markup like a mofo.

axiomatik

10-16-2007, 11:28 AM

I happened to like the Alice Cooper make up under the headlamps. Billion Dollar Babies

I agree, I liked the "alice cooper" styling. the surfacing under the headlights just looks awkward. but oh well, i'm sure a whole bunch of them won't stay stock for long.

Kn1ves

10-16-2007, 11:34 AM

sigh. i need to get rich before they release a V-Spec Z-tuned version with . that should give me 5~ years

Farzam

10-16-2007, 11:46 AM

That's pretty amazing if it's true.

NiZzAn PoWaZ y0!

exitspeed

10-16-2007, 12:40 PM

Annnnd here comes the flood of more images!

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/10/nissangtr_fs1.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/10/nissangtr_fs10.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/10/nissangtr_fs2.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/10/nissangtr_fs3.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/10/nissangtr_fs6.jpg
http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/10/nissangtr_fs8.jpg

kyoru

10-16-2007, 01:13 PM

oh my god finally a new car that is sexy...so good

exitspeed

10-16-2007, 01:24 PM

This HAS to be like the first new sports car that the engine is completely covered up with plastic crap.

I <3 Nissan.

mayco_86

10-16-2007, 01:24 PM

Wow exitspeed you really hve some nice pictures on the new gtr now are those blow off valves i see on the top V8 twin turbo or v6 twin? oh by the way good job on your search.

exitspeed

10-16-2007, 01:28 PM

It's a TT V6. Pics are coutesy of Autoblog.

SinisterSntra91

10-16-2007, 01:32 PM

Chyeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

exitspeed

10-16-2007, 01:37 PM

First person to run those wheels on a 240 gets unlimited rep from me for a month!

Matej

10-16-2007, 01:39 PM

First person to run those wheels on a 240 gets unlimited rep from me for a month!
Word, I was going to say that I want to see those wheels on a 240.

Bushido

10-16-2007, 02:08 PM

kinda underwhelming in the looks dept. should have just rolled out the proto as the production model. i guess i should wait to judge it till i see it in person...

I'm just not really digging on Nissan not honoring their past in their designs lately. this car dosnt share a single design element with the R34 other than the quad round tails... I prefer evolution of design to revolution.

exitspeed

10-16-2007, 02:17 PM

I beg to differ. This is a complete evolution. Same coupe layout, AWD, TT, 6 cylinder, but now it's it's OWN car. And now it's evolved into a REAL supercar to compete with the worlds best. If it would have been more of the same of the R34, then it would have just been an update, and it wouldn't be able to compete with the worlds super cars like this new GTR can.

People here in America only swoon over the GTR's of the past because we never go it here. Yea it's a tunable moster, but this thing is bone stock and will blow the doors off of most tuned GTR's. Imagine what the aftermarket has in store for it!?

SimpleS14

10-16-2007, 02:18 PM

always think about the Nismo 380RS (aka Autech Z) when I see that front bumper

Bushido

10-16-2007, 02:21 PM

exitspeed

10-16-2007, 02:30 PM

SimpleSexy180

10-16-2007, 02:50 PM

its ok. aftermarket? i dont even know what kind of aftermarket there is for the gtr.

SimpleS14

10-16-2007, 02:55 PM

I don't see how this doesn't fit the bill?

He probably was expecting more squared off styling.

To date...the only car I can think of that has a distinct shape that everyone knows and has evolved nicely is the Porsche 911.

exitspeed

10-16-2007, 03:03 PM

He probably was expecting more squared of styling.

To date...the only car I can think of that has a distinct shape that everyone knows and has evolved nicely is the Porsche 911.

IC.

And yea, the Porsche is about the only car that has stayed try to it's OG shape and proportions.

Neejay

10-16-2007, 03:45 PM

Nice thing about it, is it will be beating a shitload of cars already out, STOCK.

I love the way it looks. I prefer this front end over the concept/proto "crying" style.

SiI40sx

10-16-2007, 03:47 PM

Im so hitting up my friend who works at Nissan to go for a drive in one..... you will all hate me :p

steve shadows

10-16-2007, 03:52 PM

Annnnd here comes the flood of more images!

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/10/nissangtr_fs1.jpg
[

http://i206.photobucket.com/albums/bb129/shadowerks/SU-27_319.jpg

reminds me of the su-27 flanker

first thing im buying when im out of law school in 4 years

I love the under the hood pic

looks like they built it at a high end tuning shop

not an OEM plastic mess

exitspeed

10-16-2007, 03:58 PM

I love the under the hood pic

looks like they built it at a high end tuning shop

not an OEM plastic mess

It's that refreshing? Seriously.

steve shadows

10-16-2007, 03:59 PM

It's that refreshing? Seriously.

Its sierra mist refreshing

trust187

10-16-2007, 04:11 PM

needs bigger more aggressive wing

Anto

10-16-2007, 04:12 PM

I'm eager to see how much power the VR internals can handle.

If it's anything like the RB, haaaughh.

ZOMG_S14

10-16-2007, 04:17 PM

omg i neeeeed to have one.
the engine bay is the sexiest oem under hood bay in the history of ever.

steve shadows

10-16-2007, 04:24 PM

I'm eager to see how much power the VR internals can handle.

If it's anything like the RB, haaaughh.

im sure it will match the rb

DreamN

10-16-2007, 05:04 PM

^ ditto.

Love the engine bay pic and OHH EMM GEEZZ look at all the pretty buttons on the steering wheel. :D Any chance of sourcing a really nice interior shot? Test drive is a must for one of these, even if it's only a base model.

Neejay

10-16-2007, 05:10 PM

SiI40sx

10-16-2007, 05:17 PM

man this car is making me feel like a school girl / 15 year old fan boy / gay guy who would suck dick to own one........ its so beautiful......

speedstar01

10-16-2007, 05:46 PM

Neejay

10-16-2007, 05:49 PM

speedstar01

10-16-2007, 06:11 PM

Maybe its estimated since it's a December issue? lol

ahhhh could be....could be...or maybe its just the work of terrorists!

Antihero983

10-16-2007, 06:26 PM

i predict some company making aftermarket replica wings of the one on the new GTR.......

ONYX S-13

10-16-2007, 06:28 PM

Imagine what the aftermarket has in store for it!?

*faints just thinking of the possibilities*

I'm not feeling the front.. It's to round (soft) looking. It seems to lack the "get out of my way!" look. If I saw that in my rear view mirror I wouldn't be awe struck... Of course that would change after it passed and me seeing those four missle silo's for exhaust tips roaring by.

Of course most of the new cars on the market are getting rounder/softer fronts for some reason so its something that I guess I have to get used to *shrugs*.

OptionZero

10-16-2007, 07:07 PM

looks like they smoothed out the front a little bit

i like it, pending shots from other angles

the only part i dont like are the front fender arches

lets see i graduate law school in '09
pass bar in '10
pay off debt by '15

perfect, just in time for the R36, which will do 0-60 in 2.5 secs and 10.7 quarter

dope

fromxtor

10-16-2007, 07:28 PM

I think it will look kick ass in bayside blue or black, I dont even like silver that much on the R34.

BustedS13

10-16-2007, 07:33 PM

this MT cover cant be fo real!! it says $4.99 Can. $5.99 US. arent our currencies supposed to be equal?

but still 3.5 sec to 60 is pretty friggin rad!!!!! i honestly cant wait until im blessed with the pressence of a 2008 GT-R

you got that backwards. and if you've never picked up a magazine before, i guess you wouldn't know that they always cost more in canada. and i guess if you've been in a box for your whole life, you wouldn't know that canada JUST became equal like a month ago or less.

not to mention it's a magazine printed in america, not canada. shipping.

.....anyway, that beast teabags everybody, can't wait to see them running around

drift freaq

10-16-2007, 08:50 PM

im not saying just bring out a facelifted R34. Im saying that the design lacks "GTR DNA" just like the 350Z lacks "Z DNA"

there are no design elements that make this car uniquely GTR, apart from the quad round tails.

It may be an evolution in it's layout, but it sure isnt an evolution of design.

Bushido you show your age. All you have to do is go back in GTR history to the last GTR of the 70's to see the styling cues. aka the Ken Mary Skyline GTR.
Plus if you think the 350z lacks 240z DNA you would have gotten a F in design school. Both of these cars show hints of their heritage all over the cars. If you don't have eyes to see that then you should not be judging the looks of cars period. You cry because they just don't look like the last generation or the first. You have to realize the designer needs to incorporate those links but at the same time come up with something very fresh and modern . In both the GTR and the 350 Nissan has done this . Maybe you need to see a eye doctor? Maybe you need to study the designs of previous generations closer or maybe you need to look at these cars closer to see the styling cues that hark right back in heritage. For instance the rear of the GTR has GTR rear written all over it while still being modern. The roof line takes cues from the Ken Mary. The front has a GTR style bold front grill area like the R34.
Do you want me to take the 350 apart and show its cues as well?
Get an eye or give up on your critiques.

oldschoolsilvia

10-16-2007, 08:58 PM

I'll take one in black.... :yum: :drool:

SimpleS14

10-16-2007, 10:14 PM

More pics....

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/news/2007/1016/08.nissan.skyline.act.prf.500.jpghttp://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/news/2007/1016/08.nissan.skyline.act.f34.500.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/news/2007/1016/08.nissan.skyline.crg.500.jpghttp://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/news/2007/1016/08.nissan.skyline.rint.500.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/news/2007/1016/08.nissan.skyline.int.1.500.jpghttp://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/news/2007/1016/08.nissan.skyline.int.2.500.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/news/2007/1016/08.nissan.skyline.int.det.500.jpghttp://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/news/2007/1016/08.nissan.skyline.ip.500.jpg
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/news/2007/1016/08.nissan.skyline.r34.500.jpghttp://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/news/2007/1016/08.nissan.skyline.whl.500.jpg

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=123047?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..2 .*

I really like this car....I hope to have one some day.

Neejay

10-16-2007, 10:17 PM

I wonder why didn't they make that center monitor more angled towards the driver...

Also, I see the digital gauges on it. I actually like that interior more than a lot of the "new/future" oriented interior designs.

kyoru

10-16-2007, 10:21 PM

wow interior looks like complete ass besides the driver seat and the door panels.

DreamN

10-16-2007, 10:33 PM

^ the only thing I'm seeing that really fucks it up is the center console. buttons and everything look blah, but I'm still liking it.

Z33dori

10-17-2007, 12:21 AM

GTR FTW

man 473hp twin turbo v6....omg its gonna be killa

Neejay

10-17-2007, 12:24 AM

Only thing Im not fond of is the paddle shifters.

BustedS13

10-17-2007, 12:32 AM

wait, does it only come with paddles? if so, at least the z06 comes in a real manual.

vanish1

10-17-2007, 06:39 AM

rear bumper is massive!!!

DOOK

10-17-2007, 06:43 AM

your amount of negative rep is massive

axiomatik

10-17-2007, 07:33 AM

^ the only thing I'm seeing that really fucks it up is the center console. buttons and everything look blah, but I'm still liking it.

yeah, the heater/a/c controls look really cheap. overall, the dash is kinda lumpy and thrown together-looking to me. doesn't look like a cohesive design. I like the steering wheel and the IP, though.

statik

10-17-2007, 07:45 AM

wait, does it only come with paddles? if so, at least the z06 comes in a real manual.

"The only transmission will be a GR6 dual-clutch six-speed automatic", no manual option currently

exitspeed

10-17-2007, 07:48 AM

You know what the dash says to me, "No Frills". Like, "I'm a supercar and I'm not hear to give you a back rub. I'm hear to tear up the track."

I just noticed the rear side marker. It goes vertically up the rear fender. I bet that will look cool blinkin away.

vanish1

10-17-2007, 08:32 AM

your amount of negative rep is massive

cool, hook me up with some more.

TheWolf

10-17-2007, 08:35 AM

0100

10-17-2007, 09:17 AM

I will have to agree with a lot of what wolf wrote.

You know what the dash says to me, "No Frills". Like, "I'm a supercar and I'm not hear to give you a back rub. I'm hear to tear up the track."

That would be nice in a zo6 type no frills car, which I really think nissan should have done, but the gt-r is gunning for the 997tt. It is suppose to be, from what I am told, a luxurious super car. With a 3800 lb weight, it better give me a back rub while I tear up the track. :bigok: I just don't see people who can afford a 997tt going with a gt-r. I think they went for the wrong target, I guess we will see...

jackjack

10-17-2007, 09:30 AM

just looking at the new pictures............ :wackit:

exitspeed

10-17-2007, 09:45 AM

That would be nice in a zo6 type no frills car, which I really think nissan should have done, but the gt-r is gunning for the 997tt. It is suppose to be, from what I am told, a luxurious super car. With a 3800 lb weight, it better give me a back rub while I tear up the track. :bigok: I just don't see people who can afford a 997tt going with a gt-r. I think they went for the wrong target, I guess we will see...

I don't think they were going for luxury. Nissan is not about luxury. It's about sport. They were going for performance. Keep in mind, they are going to have an Infinity version too (not been confirmed but you can quote me on it), and THAT will be the luxury version.

They used the 997tt as a benchmark for performance, not to compare interiors and luxury. There will be no matching luggage for the GTR, etc, etc.

s13poop

10-17-2007, 10:32 AM

goddamn you mel

always being on top of them releases :keke:

i wish i had a gtr :wtc:

0100

10-17-2007, 10:39 AM

I don't think they were going for luxury. Nissan is not about luxury. It's about sport. They were going for performance. Keep in mind, they are going to have an Infinity version too (not been confirmed but you can quote me on it), and THAT will be the luxury version.

They used the 997tt as a benchmark for performance, not to compare interiors and luxury. There will be no matching luggage for the GTR, etc, etc.

It puzzles me how it became so heavy then. I wonder how big the back seat is?

BustedS13

10-17-2007, 10:48 AM

I don't think they were going for luxury. Nissan is not about luxury. It's about sport. They were going for performance. Keep in mind, they are going to have an Infinity version too (not been confirmed but you can quote me on it), and THAT will be the luxury version.

They used the 997tt as a benchmark for performance, not to compare interiors and luxury. There will be no matching luggage for the GTR, etc, etc.

will the infiniti have a goddamn manual? i just had a serious change of heart about these things. not that nissan will notice, but still. america finally gets a skyline and it's got a tiptronic like a fucking pt cruiser.

exitspeed

10-17-2007, 10:49 AM

It puzzles me how it became so heavy then. I wonder how big the back seat is?

AWD is always heavy. Add in all the elctronics, sound deadening, etc etc, and it's a beast. But what does weight matter with those kind of performance numbers? I mean if it was heavy, and the numbers reflected that, then it would be an issue. Obviously that's not the case. The numbers are better then people expected.

will the infiniti have a goddamn manual? i just had a serious change of heart about these things. not that nissan will notice, but still.

No clue yet, but I'd imagine they are going to have a traditional gear box as 2009.5 or 2010 model.

drift freaq

10-17-2007, 10:50 AM

It puzzles me how it became so heavy then. I wonder how big the back seat is?

it puzzles you? Look at the weight of the old GTR's . Look at the current chassis's that Nissan is designing the structure of them is a heavier design though structurally its a lot more rigid. The ATTESA adds a lot of weight to any car.
You and Wolf....... lol Looks like a tuned up Z car. Damn both you guys would fail in design school and Art judgement. Hey wait your an EVO lover. You would not know good taste in design if it hit you over the head! LOL sorry 0100 you left yourself open for that comment. You both need to get a set of new eyes.
Wolf the average enthusiast is not the average buyer of a car of this caliber thats being sold in limited quantities . In fact the segment its going for already knows all about it.
Glad to know you play golf does that make you special?

P.S. don't you two whine about starting something you posted your opinions and this is my retort.

Tearlessj

10-17-2007, 10:51 AM

Auto weeks first drive:

http://2009gtr.blogspot.com/2007/10/autoweek-first-drive-2009-gt-r.html

exitspeed

10-17-2007, 11:00 AM

Auto weeks first drive:

http://2009gtr.blogspot.com/2007/10/autoweek-first-drive-2009-gt-r.html

That is a shinning review:

Yes, it lives up to all the hype!

The coming Nissan GT-R is a world-class supercar: Top speed of 193 mph, 0-60 in 3.5 seconds, a 473 hp, 433 lb ft twin-turbo V6 mounted in the front and driving all four wheels through a rear-mounted transaxle. Take a breath. Okay, continue. And a dual-clutch six-speed automatic you can operate via paddles on the steering wheel.

After a full day driving it on the Nurburgring, the Autobahn and up and over numerous little German country roads we can easily say this is one car that was not over hyped. It is truly a world-class supercar on par with, if not just ahead of, the iconic Porsche Turbo. (They had a Porsche Turbo on hand, too, and we thought the GT-R felt better tied down.)

But it's one thing to put a license plate on a race car and call it streetable. Chief engineer Kazutoshi Mizuno said the new GT-R was designed and engineered as an all-around, all-season, all-weather car that is comfortable to drive every day, even at normal speeds on a normal day.

During the few minutes we drove at what could be called a "normal pace" that day we'd have to say we agree with him. But given only a few hours at the wheel of this, the most highly anticipated supercar in years, we were only in "normal" mode for very brief spurts. The rest of the time we were at some level between "pushing it" and "hammering on the mutha'."

Our first time behind the wheel was on the A48 autobahn in Germany somewhere out around Koblenz or Koln or some other K-town where the German socialist government had not yet succeeded in adding those awful 120-km-hr speed limits. It was like Bonneville with elevation changes and guardrails. The only limitation out here was aerodynamic. Hence, we were obliged to go all-out whompin' fast the whole time.

Rolling right out of the autobahn rest stop where we rendezvoused with the Japanese engineering support crew, we nailed the throttle to the floor and man did the throttle respond. The 3.8-liter VR38 V6 is "an evolution" of the award-winning VQ engine family. It sits up front, with two of its six cylinders forward of the front axle and four aft. Two bagel-sized IHI turbos sit right at the exhaust manifold for quick response. The 433 lb ft of torque rails across the tach from 3200 to 5200 rpm. Peak 473 hp comes at 6400 revs.

A carbon fiber prop shaft ("Good damping and stiffness") runs back to the transaxle, incorporating the clutch, transmission and transaxle altogether. The shifting is done via a direct, twin-clutch system. One clutch handles the odd gears and another clutch handles the even ones. Shifts take 0.2 seconds. There are BorgWarner triple-cone synchronizers for all gears. Another shaft runs forward from that transaxle to send power to the front wheels. Below 25 mph the torque split is 50/50, above that, under normal driving, the split is 40/60. But it can split up to 2/98 under hard acceleration, which was what we were giving it.

Our car rode on 20-inch wheels wrapped by Bridgestone Potenza RE070s, 255/40 in front and 285/35 rears. Front suspension was upper and lower A-arms and the rear was a five-link.

It's always fun to go from zero to warp factor in a right hand-drive car using a jet-lagged left hand-drive brain, trying not to turn on the windshield wipers when you think you're hitting the turn signal.

The GT-R lists quarter-mile time at 11.7 seconds and entering the Autobahn we had no reason to doubt that. The turbo boost was, as promised, very progressive, with little or no discernable lag, just smooth, even power delivery.

Despite the late-morning hour and the mid-week day, there were still a few cars in the way. When we eased onto the 15.2-inch ventilated cross-drilled Brembo brakes from well into triple-digit speeds the car slowed without drama. But then traffic would clear out and the GT-R resumed its high velocity chase with ease.

There are three settings for the Bilstein Damptronic shocks: R, Sports and Comfort. We went out in Sports.

Top speed is listed at 193 mph but with traffic the best we could do was 176. You wouldn't try that in any country but Germany, where you can usually assume everyone else is paying attention. There was a Japanese engineer riding shotgun over on the left whom we dubbed "Bushido engineer-o" or brave engineer. He thought that was pretty funny.

While the coefficient of drag is an impressive 0.27, more than almost any production car, the GT-R also produces downforce at each axle, something very few production cars can claim.

"Cd is more important than downforce on a G35," said chief designer Hiroshi Hasegawa. "But in the case of the GT-R we have to make downforce."

At 193 mph you might appreciate that philosophy.

The first time we went out, the right front wheel felt just a little out of balance, so we came back in and they changed all four wheels. They're efficient, these guys. After that the car was smooth as well as stable and safe, due in equal parts to the German roadway and the Japanese engineering.

The whole car sits on the new PM platform, PM meaning Prime Midship. It's an evolution of the ubiquitous FM platform that sits underneath everything from 350Zs to crossover SUVs. The PM incorporates what Mizuno-san called a "hybrid superstructure body." There is carbon-injected material in the front end and carbon composite material underneath for aerodynamic downforce. There's even some polypropylene in the body, too. In any case, it's not just another FM variant.

We truly enjoyed the Autobahn experience. This is the perfect car for such a top-speed run-it gives such a sense of control at those speeds that you feel like you could do anything.

Next on our agenda of "anything" were some miles of country road. We were able to drive the GT-R back-to-back with a Porsche Turbo.

"Okay now, please enjoy," said the Nissan technician as we exited the company compound down the street from the Nurburgring.

After "much spirited driving," we can say the Turbo had a good deal more lag and more dive and squat than the GT-R. But once the Porsche got spooled up, achtung, baby. It felt lighter and the steering felt quicker, too. The biggest difference between the two was that the Turbo demanded more of its driver while the GT-R was easier to handle, flatter and more stable. We'd be happy with either one, if you're considering a birthday present or anything.

Next up on this Disneyland of a day was Der Nurburgring. This is what all those teenagers whose parents have not taken away their Playstation access really want to do: drive an actual GT-R around the actual Nurburgring as fast as grip, guts and gasoline allow.

Man-oh-flippin'-man. The real deal is about 100 times more thrilling than any computer simulation, even those with the little plastic steering wheel and feet pedals attached.

This was the new Nurburgring, too. Nissan wasn't foolish enough to turn this small squadron of car writer hacks loose on the narrow, blind, crazy-dangerous Nordschliefe. At the time of our drive there were only three prototype GT-Rs extant in the world, and all the apologizing on Earth wouldn't bring one back if you crunched it.

The new Nurburgring is faster, with wide, sweeping turns bordered by runoff areas so huge that even the most no-talent buffoon could likely stay on the pavement. So we did.

All the Japanese engineers and executives had been telling everyone that there was a 35-mph speed limit in the pits, but in all the excitement we kind of forgot about it and nailed the throttle right out of the parking spot right there in pit lane. The wide, low, squealing run-flat tires laid down long patches of black rubber as we launched past the closed garages, pulling back on the right paddle to shift the rear-mounted dual-clutch six-speed transaxle every time the engine got close to its 7000-rpm redline.

In no time at all we were roaring onto pit-out near the end of the straight and directly into the low, evening sun. By the time we got fully out on the front straight and were shifting up from four to five or so, the sun was directly in front of the GT-R and streaming into the windshield; we were trying to remember if that first right-hander came at this rise or just past it. It was just past it, but we'd already started braking and downshifting, the GR6's "synchro-rev control," which perfectly matched each downshift with a throttle blip much better than we'd ever have been able to match it.

Tiptoeing through the first couple turns to avoid the infamy of the run-off gravel, the car felt perfectly safe and willing. So we hammered it up through the gears down the hill and to the far 180-degree turn and started to feel more confident. By the end of the first lap we were flat out on the front straight, roaring up through all six gears for all it was worth.

Nissan lists lateral g's at 0.99, and we certainly bumped up against that in many a Nurburgring corner.

We only got three full laps and no one was timing us, so you'll just have to assume we set the lap record. Earlier, Mizuno-san had offered some lap times from the Nordschliefe for various cars driven by the German magazine SportAuto. Those times are driver-dependent, track-knowledge-dependent, weather-, traffic- and bunny-crossing-the-track dependent. But Mizuno suggested the GT-R could get anywhere from 7:44 on up, with most laps coming in between 7:55 and 7:58. So he suggested the GT-R's strong suit was that it offered "the best cost per lap time." For whatever that's worth.

The GT-R will be worth somewhere in the low-$70,000 range, which does make it perhaps the best cost per lap. We'll know for sure when it enters U.S. showrooms in May or June. Japan will get first crack at it, we get second and the Europeans, who did such a great job of getting out of our way during our Autobahn drive, will have to get it third.

SPECS: 2009 Nissan GT-R
On Sale: May/June

Base Price: Low 70s

Drivetrain: 3.8-liter, 473-hp, 433-lb-ft twin turbocharged V6; awd, six-speed automatic

Curb Weight: 3792 pounds

0-60: 3.5 seconds

Fuel Economy (EPA Combined): 21 mpg (mfg. target)

soon2bs13

10-17-2007, 11:11 AM

wow. i am very impressed!!

jackjack

10-17-2007, 11:23 AM

time to rob a bank

20 til 3

10-17-2007, 11:30 AM

time to rob a bank

we could just rile up 3 240's , all black with green neons and jack the trucks they come in... noone will ever know

0100

10-17-2007, 11:53 AM

it puzzles you? Look at the weight of the old GTR's . Look at the current chassis's that Nissan is designing the structure of them is a heavier design though structurally its a lot more rigid. The ATTESA adds a lot of weight to any car.
You and Wolf....... lol Looks like a tuned up Z car. Damn both you guys would fail in design school and Art judgement. Hey wait your an EVO lover. You would not know good taste in design if it hit you over the head! LOL sorry 0100 you left yourself open for that comment. You both need to get a set of new eyes.
Wolf the average enthusiast is not the average buyer of a car of this caliber thats being sold in limited quantities . In fact the segment its going for already knows all about it.
Glad to know you play golf does that make you special?

P.S. don't you two whine about starting something you posted your opinions and this is my retort.

Haha I hate the looks of the evo. I also said I agree with a lot of what wolf wrote, not everything.

I will say I love the rear, I think they nailed it. Just not feeling the front and profile photos, but like I said before I don't care what performance cars look like it's all about performance. You can't see if it's ugly or nice looking when you are behind the wheel.

Can't wait for official ring times. :bigok:

exitspeed

10-17-2007, 11:56 AM

Can't wait for official ring times. :bigok:

Last I heard it was running times quite a bit faster then the 911 turbo. But they were "unofficial" times even though numerous people clocked it in faster.

WOW:

"While the coefficient of drag is an impressive 0.27, more than almost any production car, the GT-R also produces downforce at each axle, something very few production cars can claim."

0100

10-17-2007, 12:01 PM

^yeah that is very cool!

Last I heard it was running times quite a bit faster then the 911 turbo. But they were "unofficial" times even though numerous people clocked it in faster.

I know but the question is what version that was.

exitspeed

10-17-2007, 12:07 PM

^yeah that is very cool!

I know but the question is what version that was.

I'd assume they are talking about the top model. They wouldn't use the lower models at this point. They want to display THE best numbers they can right now.

The review also said the car pulls .99 g's.

0100

10-17-2007, 12:13 PM

# 7.32 - Porsche 997 GT2 2008 (Motor Authority, Autobild, driven by Walter Röhrl, complaining after the lap that he had to pass eleven other cars "Ich musste elf Autos ueberholen")
# 7.32 - Gemballa Porsche GTR 600 PS/1380 kg (Gemballa)
# 7:33 - Pagani Zonda F, 602 PS/1230 kg (sport auto 05/06)
# 7:34 - Koenigsegg CCR, 806 PS/1140 kg, Horst von Saurma (sport auto), Oct 17-18 2005
# 7:40 - Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren, 626PS/1768 kg Klaus Ludwig (AutoBild 07/04)
# 7:40 - Porsche 997 Turbo 480PS/1565 kg Walter Röhrl
# 7:40 - Bugatti Veyron 16/4, 1001PS/1888 kg (Wheels magazine Australia, 12/05)
# 7:41 - Manthey Porsche GT3 M410, 413 PS/1320 kg (160.868 km/h), Lucas Luhr (Autobild 07/04)
# 7.42 - Corvette Z06 (Jan Magnussen)[2]

Some lap times from the ring website.

So it looks like(from article) the GTR base will be the same or slightly slower(around the ring) than a Z06 and around the same price.

The evo version will be faster(around the ring) than a 997tt and big money but still much cheaper than a 997tt.

hmm...

Gnnr

10-17-2007, 12:20 PM

There will be no matching luggage for the GTR, etc, etc.

Actually, don't be so sure. :) Pic from autoblog article (http://www.autoblog.com/photos/nissan-gt-r/442726/).

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/10/08.nissan.skyline.crg.500.jpg

s13poop

10-17-2007, 03:00 PM

^ finally a place to put my man purse :keke:

exitspeed

10-17-2007, 03:04 PM

Actually, don't be so sure. :) Pic from autoblog article (http://www.autoblog.com/photos/nissan-gt-r/442726/).

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/10/08.nissan.skyline.crg.500.jpg

Fuck that. I refuse to think they are making matching luggage. That's just so they can give you an idea of size. :squint:

Matej

10-17-2007, 03:20 PM

The GT-R lapped Nurburgring at 7:35 and they're still there attempting to get a better time.

exitspeed

10-17-2007, 03:22 PM

^
Proof, article? More info please.

Matej

10-17-2007, 03:28 PM

^
Proof, article? More info please.
-edit-
Sorry, wrong link, I'm trying to find it, I believe it was reported by Motor Trend. I hope it's real, because if it can do that stock, imagine what it could do tuned.

steve shadows

10-17-2007, 03:31 PM

Curb Weight: 3792 pounds

so only slightly lighter than a chevy tahoe, nice

exitspeed

10-17-2007, 03:32 PM

steve shadows

10-17-2007, 03:39 PM

The GT-R lapped Nurburgring at 7:35 and they're still there attempting to get a better time.

Wow, that is amazing! This just keeps getting better and better. What this also means is that "car is too heavy" nay-sayers will be silenced because OBVIOUSLY it's not effecting the performance.

or it would just bend time and space if it were 600 lbs lighter...

and do the ring in like 10 seconds faster

but thats gay :-/

Matej

10-17-2007, 03:40 PM

Here's the Motor Trend link.
http://www.motortrend.com/future/spied_vehicles/112_0712_2008_nissan_gt_r

exitspeed

10-17-2007, 03:43 PM

or it would just bend time and space if it were 600 lbs lighter...

and do the ring in like 10 seconds faster

but thats gay :-/

Could you imagine? Nissan making a GTR that fast. That would make it like the best bang for your buck in the entire automotive world, period.

It couldn't be done. Your right, the world would be coming to an end shortly after. Like the DAY the GTR's are shipped.

markyboi

10-17-2007, 06:22 PM

so motor trend states that the base model does 7:35 at the ring..

wonder how the higher models would do.

SimpleS14

10-17-2007, 08:27 PM

Even more pics...

http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/2007/W42/10172007164540.jpg

http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/2007/W42/101720071441410655.jpg http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/2007/W42/101720071441419966.jpg

http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/2007/W42/101720071441411871.jpg http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/2007/W42/101720071441418618.jpg

http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/2007/W42/101720071441413229.jpg http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/2007/W42/101720071441416904.jpg

http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/2007/W42/101720071441423235.jpg http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/2007/W42/101720071441425363.jpg

http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/2007/W42/101720071441425537.jpg http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/2007/W42/101720071441420991.jpg

ixfxi

10-17-2007, 08:29 PM

While it's designed to compete with the porsche buyers.. I don't think they did enough to seperate it from the regular line.. going from a 30k z to a 80k GTR is a big step and someone who's got 80k to spend probably won't do it for what looks like a tunned up Z car thats a bit on the heavy side. I think it will flop. Might have worked at 60k but 80's a different ball park. A porsche looks refined and has brand image. This just doesn't look enough apart from a z/g35. I don't think the avg "non enthusiast" will know either. We all may know what a skyline is but no one I play golf with at work does and they are the prospective buyers. That interior won't win any awards. Looks like it was designed by chrysler and made out of the same cooler material most trucks are. Some silver painted plastic and two giant air vents pointed right at your hands (10 and 2) just the whole thing isn't polished. It's fast and I'm sure it handles good and does everything is says it does.. I think my wife summed it up best "It looks like a transformers car"

Out of all the posts I've read tonight, the one above seems to hit the nail on the head.

I spent a lot of time looking through the pictures and reading what people/articles said about the car, but I have to agree with Wolf - I cant say I like what I see at the moment.

I liked the GTR Proto which was unveiled in Tokyo, with the carbon airducts beneath the headlamps. The new design however, is indeed very celica/350z-ish and to me, looks cheap. The headlamps... look... CHEAP. I thought there would be more magic in the taillamps, but from what I can say - they made them more generic, again with the spaced apart LED treatment.

The motor has to be one of the few things I can say I like about the car, mostly because I think the engine bay looks pretty - like how a modern car SHOULD look. I hate how engine bays are covered nowadays. However, I am sure the car is drive by wire and very complicated with lots of computer technology - all of which I have no interest in. I like grass-roots cars, cars that have distinct characters. I've given up on today's cars because they are all standardized to have a generic feel.

The interior also looks very disappointing because it looks like it has been designed for fat americans.

I am sure the car will sell, NISSAN has practically branded the name "Skyline" into making it sound like an enigma, so I am sure a lot of younger cats will go into debt buying a car like this.

Well, on the brighter side.. I am sure a lot of new R35 owners will need better headlamps and taillamps. The ones on the car just look too damn plain.

SimpleS14

10-17-2007, 08:30 PM

http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/2007/W42/101720071441428266.jpg http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/2007/W42/101720071441424308.jpg

http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/2007/W42/101720071441429459.jpg http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/2007/W42/101720071441423815.jpg

http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/2007/W42/101720071441420909.jpg http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/2007/W42/101720071441429792.jpg

http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/2007/W42/101720071441422356.jpg http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/2007/W42/101720071441429559.jpg

http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/2007/W42/101720071441423661.jpg http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/2007/W42/101720071441424173.jpg

SimpleS14

10-17-2007, 08:35 PM

http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/2007/W42/101720071441417450.jpg http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/2007/W42/101720071441414001.jpg

http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/2007/W42/101720071441417330.jpg http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/2007/W42/101720071441419213.jpg

http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/2007/W42/101720071441416815.jpg http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/2007/W42/101720071441415213.jpg

http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/2007/W42/101720071441424634.jpg http://www.roadandtrack.com/assets/image/2007/W42/101720071441427234.jpg

SimpleS14

10-17-2007, 08:37 PM

MORE haha...

http://www.photodump.org/stored18/25.jpg

http://www.photodump.org/stored18/24.jpg

http://www.photodump.org/stored18/26.jpg

http://www.photodump.org/stored18/27.jpg

http://www.photodump.org/stored18/23.jpg

TurDz

10-17-2007, 08:42 PM

Well, on the brighter side.. I am sure a lot of new R35 owners will need better headlamps and taillamps. The ones on the car just look too damn plain.

haha..nice.

Yeah, I don't really like the headlights looking at them alone. I wish they would have kept the size of the headlights the way it looked when it had its black mask on.

I do like what they've done to the front end. They modified it the way I had hoped. They removed the black from underneath the headlights, and made a bit more mainstream. At the same time, the design is sooo fresh and modern it definately will not get old any time soon. Lots of sharp lines (except the vents on the hood) and looks super aggressive.

Nissan/Infiniti as a brand is pretty shitty in terms of interior build quality and materials. So I'm not surprised by the bland/boring and cheap looking center controls.

The car is super functional though and I can't believe they achieved a 0.27 Cd, but had downforce-producing axles. Just awesome. Those vents in the lower front mask are probably brake cooling ducts. And my favorite part of the car is the design of the front fender vents. I'll probably scream like a school girl when I see this thing in person.

jskateborders

10-17-2007, 09:11 PM

SimpleS14

10-17-2007, 09:20 PM

Yet again....more pics :)

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/features/general/09.nissan.gtr/08.nissan.skyline.cc.1.500.jpg

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/features/general/09.nissan.gtr/08.nissan.skyline.cc.2.500.jpg

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/features/general/09.nissan.gtr/08.nissan.skyline.cc.3.500.jpg

http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/il/features/general/09.nissan.gtr/08.nissan.skyline.int.det.1.500.jpg

I doubt that using triptronic or whatever its called will yeild an 11.7. talk about shift lag.

Are you serious?

jskateborders

10-17-2007, 09:40 PM

yes I am, unless their version is vastly superior to all the2007 cars with tiptronic that I have experienced. From my experience, Driving in regular drive always shifts better than tiptronic. The european dsg on the other hand, If anyone has experienced those, is a completely different story. Very fast shifts.

BOROSUN

10-17-2007, 09:43 PM

So called "dual-clutch automatic" transmissions also eliminate the torque converter and replace hydraulic clutches with synchronizers but they go further to provide gear shift quality which is superior to the automated manual transmission and similar to the conventional automatic transmission, which makes them quite attractive. However, most known dual-clutch automatic transmissions include a lay shaft or countershaft gear arrangement, and have not been widely applied in vehicles because of their complexity, size and cost. For example, a dual clutch lay shaft transmission could require eight sets of gears, two input/shift clutches and seven synchronizers/dog clutches to provide six forward speed ratios and a reverse speed ratio. An example of a dual-clutch automatic transmission is described in U.S. Pat. No. 5,385,064, which is hereby incorporated by reference. http://www.patentstorm.us/patents/6746357-description.html

http://auto.howstuffworks.com/dual-clutch-transmission.htm

ixfxi

10-17-2007, 10:13 PM

And after seeing the navi/main display, it reminds me that SHIT LIKE THAT just shouldnt be in a real sportscar.

A real sportscar needs gauges, real life GAUGES. I am tired of multi-purpose screens. I dont want to look at a screen, I am not sitting at a computer - I am in a car. There's a fucking difference, and the difference should be apparent.

Maybe I just love old cars way too much. The feeling of being inside of a metal chassis with a motor - and thats it. I could give a fuck about power steering, an LCD display. The 240Z had 3 gauges plus the main gauge cluster. It had no PS.

Some will call the features found on newer cars "advancements" - i call them extra weight. Anyway, its obvious that the new R35 is designed for the modern-day executive kid: late 20s but under 50. The person who could buy a G35, but wants something more aggressive..... MINUS the expense of a porsche. I can see the same buyer wanting an Audi R8.

Makes sense....

SimpleSexy180

10-17-2007, 10:29 PM

Maybe I just love old cars way too much. The feeling of being inside of a metal chassis with a motor - and thats it. I could give a fuck about power steering, an LCD display. The 240Z had 3 gauges plus the main gauge cluster. It had no PS.

haha seriously. but hey, with all those fancy gadgets in the cars n shit, i guess you could call it the PUSSIFICATION OF THE WESTERN MALE.

Neejay

10-17-2007, 11:26 PM

A real sportscar needs gauges, real life GAUGES. I am tired of multi-purpose screens. I dont want to look at a screen, I am not sitting at a computer - I am in a car. There's a fucking difference, and the difference should be apparent.I can agree to that...

Gnnr

10-18-2007, 02:37 AM

Fuck that. I refuse to think they are making matching luggage. That's just so they can give you an idea of size. :squint:

Yeah I know, haha.

BOROSUN

10-18-2007, 02:39 AM

damn, these technologies. instead of looking left, right, up, down at my different gauges. they make us look at one monitor, bastards!

0100

10-18-2007, 05:50 AM

Wow I have to say these new pictures are starting to make the gtr grow on me, but I still wish they went with the concept front.

http://www.rsportscars.com/foto/05/gtrr35concept_01.jpg

These ring times are getting very interesting. Love this shit!

0100

10-18-2007, 06:18 AM

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Features/articleId=123066?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..1 .*

exitspeed

10-18-2007, 07:48 AM

haha seriously. but hey, with all those fancy gadgets in the cars n shit, i guess you could call it the PUSSIFICATION OF THE WESTERN MALE.

I'll drive this car all day every day. You and ixfxi can call me a pussy all you want. :keke:

Kn1ves

10-18-2007, 09:32 AM

7:38 not 7:35.

The record lap would be set by Nissan's top shoe, Suzuki-san, who ultimately turned in a lap in 7 minutes, 38 seconds on a partially wet circuit.

exitspeed

10-18-2007, 10:08 AM

0100

10-18-2007, 01:01 PM

What is so crazy is the track is almost 13 miles long. 3-5 sec difference is like nothing on such a long course. Such a small difference could be track conditions, driver, traffic, etc. Anything within 5 sec of eachother at the ring I would consider competitive.

If the base gtr is really throwing down 38's and priced the same as a z06 I can tell you right now I may be liquidating my autos.

I know I sound like I am doing a complete 180 from when I was bashing the gtr in the other thread. It's just that I have been very skeptical, critical, and depressed when I heard 3800. I have been watching this car since 2002 waiting to buy this beast. Me in 02. LOL > http://forums2.freshalloy.com/showthread.php?t=37430

When you wait for something so long and you expect it to be something and then it's not you freak.

I really, really, REALLY hope the 7:38 is real.

kyoru

10-18-2007, 02:47 PM

473 hp....sweet... automatic. WTF. like people are getting to lazy to drive stick? Most of the fun of having a fast car is pushing in the clutch and down shifting in my opinion. Sure handling and acceleration are cool, but I like to be able to feel my driving, and control every aspect.
I mean they could at least take the dsg out of the newer gti's. If youve ever driven one of those its decent. I doubt that using triptronic or whatever its called will yeild an 11.7. talk about shift lag. I still want a clutch though.

if i'm correct it said the gtr has a dual clutch transmission like the gti, so it should be similar. and not everyone likes manual, last thing i wanna do after a tired night of work is shift gears in traffic. and i gotta agree i love the transmission in the gti.

ONYX S-13

10-18-2007, 03:06 PM

It couldn't be done. Your right, the world would be coming to an end shortly after. Like the DAY the GTR's are shipped.

Or all the super/exotic auto manufacturers will rent subs and sink each and every boat coming out of the japanese harbors.. Heh.

last thing i wanna do after a tired night of work is shift gears in traffic.

With that much torque, who's shifting? You can probably start out in 4th with very little problems. Even the review that was posted said the turbo's have much better response then the turbo on the porsche Porsche.

Matej

10-18-2007, 03:16 PM

Buy a GT-R, throw out the interior, and be the Lord of the Ring!

steve shadows

10-18-2007, 03:51 PM

Faster then an SLR McLaren but slower then a Koenigsegg CCR. For $80 I don't think there is anything to argue.

holy shit 80 bucks? for a gtr? omfg

the world has turned into Zilvia FS section :mephfawk:

Kn1ves

10-18-2007, 05:33 PM

So.. uhm.. Safe to say it doesn't have HICAS? I haven't seen it mentioned once.

SimpleSexy180

10-18-2007, 05:42 PM

I'll drive this car all day every day. You and ixfxi can call me a pussy all you want. :keke:

lol! but hey, imagine the POON you could get driving one.

onehundredoctane

10-18-2007, 05:48 PM

only thing that I've read that I don't like is that the "only transmission avaliable will be an auto"

I know paddle shifting is cool and all, but come one, make it a full manual tans.

if it'll do 0-60 in 3.8 seconds stock, just think about the aftermarket goodies that will make it faster.

(drool just F'd up the keyboard)

pwhitersxs

10-19-2007, 11:42 AM

It is not really an automatic transmission. It is a dsg style transmission. That is not the same as an regular automatic. Should I repeat this again, just like a few other people have alread stated!?

The reason the manual transmission is not released yet is due to emissions problems. Nissan apparently has one, but will not release it until they can meet standards.

Ninjabread

10-19-2007, 12:00 PM

I cant wait for Jeremy Clarkson to get his hands on this one... it'll be an interesting week for Top Gear.

exitspeed

10-19-2007, 12:24 PM

lol! but hey, imagine the POON you could get driving one.

I could care less about that. That would be the last reason I'd buy a car like that. I'm married though, so it might be different for you single guys.

Seriously though, I wouldn't buy any that performs like that because it would get me attention. I wanna drive the piss outta it.

20 til 3

10-19-2007, 12:34 PM

lol

everone hates the tranny setup i guess lol... but i would love it durring DD driving.. or at the drag strip, or on a road race track... sooo much easier

but yeah.. vette people are making fun of it already... for some reason they think the base model is the best(the 480hp) although there is better... comparison

GTR_____Z06(what GM says they run)
11.7_____11.8
3.5______3.8
192______196
57k______65k

we should figure that Nissan is "cutting times" i'm sure someone will run mid 11's factory or better

SimpleS14

10-19-2007, 01:07 PM

I cant wait for Jeremy Clarkson to get his hands on this one... it'll be an interesting week for Top Gear.

I can't wait for Keiichi Tsuchiya to get his hands on one for Best Motoring. :naughtyd:

ixfxi

10-20-2007, 01:16 AM

I can't wait for Keiichi Tsuchiya to get his hands on one for Best Motoring. :naughtyd:

THANK GOD...

someone mentioned a REAL driver, not some fat fucking british sack of shit. I really think Jeremy Clarkson is a tool, and if he ever stumbles upon this thread - I want him to know Mike of ClearCorners.Com is writing this. His reviews are always over-hyped and glamorized: over-edited with unreal music in the background on some damn airbase. Put down the ink pen & stop writing poetry -- put a real driver behind the car and DRIVE the fucking thing.

All I want to say is that Best Motoring videos are REAL car videos designed for the REAL car enthusiast. Although I really like Tiff Needell and thought the show was much more enjoyable, or atleast tolerable when he was on the show. But, no video comes CLOSE to Best Motoring. Tsuchiya FTW.

---

That aside, I stumbled across this image again today.. and cant help but say how much it reminds me of the NA2 NSX.

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/10/nissangtr_450il1.jpg
http://clearcorners.com/products/acura/nsx1/imgs/featcarF01.jpg

It reminds me of the NSX, but NOT in a good way. I mean the NSX looks like sex, while the GTR does not. You know how some cars look similar, but one just looks more ugly. Here are a few examples which I am sure you are all familiar with:
Nice: NISSAN S13 240SX
Cheap Replica: Ford Probe

Nice: Aston Martin DB
Cheap Replica: Jaguar XK

Nice: NISSAN Z33 350Z
Cheap Replica: Mitsushitty 4g Eclipse

Nice: NISSAN Z32 300ZX
Cheap Replica: Mitsushitty 3000GT <ie: oversized paperweight>

Anyway, we'll see how the final product looks when its on the streets. At this point, NISSAN keeping costs down makes me lose a bit of my interest. I dont care about performance figures as much as I care about quality. If I cared only about numbers, I'de love cars like the EVO or STI. Cars should look sexy as well as perform, and theres a reason why the 360 Modena or Porsche appeal - its because they LOOK like women, they have curves and as men -- you want to fuck them. (in a driving-sort of way, you sick bastards)

wootwoot

10-20-2007, 01:35 AM

I wanna know about launch control on this badboy.

Curious to see a z tune type car as well. Anyone have a Nordeschlife time for the r34 z tune?

BOROSUN

10-20-2007, 03:32 AM

its probably going to be a allstar cast battle at either tsukuba for cornering or fuji for high speed. i would love to see gansan drive the porsche.

Ninjabread

10-20-2007, 06:59 AM

someone mentioned a REAL driver, not some fat fucking british sack of shit. I really think Jeremy Clarkson is a tool, and if he ever stumbles upon this thread

Haha, but comon Mike, you have to agree that he's funny.

vanish1

10-20-2007, 07:43 AM

yea...the GT-R and NSX look nothing alike, but ok.

ixfxi

10-20-2007, 12:14 PM

Haha, but comon Mike, you have to agree that he's funny.

nope. i think hes fucking annoying to watch and listen to.

i didnt like his review of the 350z, he tried to tear it apart and later said that he didnt want to drive it fast because on that very same road, the driver from def leppard crashed his car and now plays drums with one arm. WHOOP_DEE_DOO. shuttup and drive the fucking Z, quit complaining.

he then praised the RX8 as being a better car and a better bang for the buck, apparently mazda's spreading the wealth in order to attain a better review of a car that is underpowered and was advertised with more power than it really had, hence the reason they extended warranties or had buy-backs. Mazda sucks.

His made jokes about the older 280ZX and Z31, saying that the cars are out of style even when they were made in the `80s. i guess he forgot about the datsun commercials, or all commercials from that era as to how cheesy they are - just like his out-dated haircut. but thats besides the point.

clarkson is a DOUCHEBAG. Tsuchiya or Needell are much more enjoyable and knowledgeable to watch.

BPMKA24DE

10-20-2007, 12:53 PM

well the specs are final...

@ $70K you get...
HiTech 4WD "AWD"
473hp
433trq
3.5 0-60
1/4 mile 11.7
Laped Nurburgring @ 7min:44sec

i wonder how it would do on Tsukuba track, no way under 1 min, its to0 heavy...latest and fastest its the CT230R HKS Evo 43.556! stupid speed the 03 ARTA GT NSX laped it @ 51.500 driven by Dorikin himself...
for sport factory chasey its a sOnic bOOm!

they were coming with the 2nd engine option, it a V8 N/A 500Bhp @9OOORmp, engine from the latest Nismo JGTC Machine Development.

i think the RB26DETT its a timless engine...
smoky(TopSecret) got 1200Hp out of the RB26, 0-200mph in 23 secs...

cant beat the RB, i think they shouldve make a special "R35" with the RB28GTTX...

Kn1ves

10-20-2007, 01:06 PM

SimpleS14

10-21-2007, 02:30 PM

Edmunds Inside Line had a chance to drive the GT-R

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=123099?tid=edmunds.il.home.photopanel..1 .*#9

I like this angle shot...
http://a332.g.akamai.net/f/332/936/12h/www.edmunds.com//media/roadtests/firstdrive/2009/nissan.gtr/08.nissan.skyline.gtr.r34.500.jpg

drift freaq

10-21-2007, 02:52 PM

Kn1ves

10-21-2007, 03:13 PM

^^ what he said

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EcthmQTianw

Z33dori

10-21-2007, 04:38 PM

yea there are about a total of 3-4 Drag Vq power'd Z running 1100+hp

the most out of a street Vq so far is 855whp.....

the vq is a beast, we can expect even greater performance from the VR

0100

10-22-2007, 08:13 AM

lol

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7i68e-ciWcY

Kn1ves

10-22-2007, 01:07 PM

he reminds me of mr. bean

http://www.gamingblog.org/images/mr-bean_52.jpg

B18C5MK1

10-23-2007, 08:02 PM

yea...the GT-R and NSX look nothing alike, but ok.

hey they're both silver (in those pics):keke:

95altyindaatl

10-23-2007, 08:06 PM

http://www.zilvia.net/f/images/editor/separator.gifWELL... Just to let everyone Know... XBOX LIVE for 360 has just released the new neeed for speed... and you are allowed to race with the new GTR as it will look when it releases in america...

Daniel.

10-23-2007, 10:15 PM

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/3994/gtrredxn0.jpg
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/935/gtrred2dh5.jpg

ixfxi

10-23-2007, 10:56 PM

anyone else watching the live feed?

http://www.gtrnissan.com/index.html

Kn1ves

10-23-2007, 10:58 PM

anyone else watching the live feed?

http://www.gtrnissan.com/index.html

thanks thanks

ixfxi

10-23-2007, 11:05 PM

that pivo2 makes me want to puke. i can already see myself getting pissed off and ripping the "pivo-kun" head off and throwing it out the window. yes, i have anger problems. and yes, i hate these over-computerized vehicles.

Kn1ves

10-24-2007, 02:10 AM

http://www.nissan.co.jp/MS/TOKYO2007/E/index.html

VIDEO OF THE 3800lbs monster going down nurburgring in 7:38.5

Go to GT-R Detail>Movie and enjoy

powersteeringless180sx

10-24-2007, 02:16 AM

i'm sure it's gonna be good but i still can't get to liking the body.

Kn1ves

10-24-2007, 03:00 AM

http://www.nissan.co.jp/MS/TOKYO2007/E/index.html

VIDEO OF THE 3800lbs monster going down nurburgring in 7:38.5

Go to GT-R Detail>Movie and enjoy

Lets make it easier

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uGe_fyhQazg

Gnnr

10-24-2007, 04:18 AM

Finally some high res goodness

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/10/tokyo_nissan_gt_r_live_shots_015a.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/10/tokyo_nissan_gt_r_live_shots_005.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/10/tokyo_nissan_gt_r_live_shots_010.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/10/nissan_gtr_07.highres.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/10/nissan_gtr_06.highres.jpg

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/10/nissan_gtr_10.highres.jpg

More at Autoblog (http://www.autoblog.com/photos/nissan-gt-r/)

exitspeed

10-24-2007, 08:11 AM

I rather like the interior.

02BRB20

10-24-2007, 08:35 AM

biggest rear bumper of all time

Kuzumi

10-24-2007, 11:09 AM

what's the red button for? :naughty:

Ninjabread

10-24-2007, 11:17 AM

Ingin Stato!

SimpleS14

10-24-2007, 11:29 AM

http://www.autoincar.com/wp-content/uploads/2007/10/nissangtr_20.jpg

exitspeed

10-24-2007, 11:32 AM

^
Skeet...and...skeet.

White's my favorite car color. Gorgeous.

0100

10-24-2007, 11:41 AM

Yeah white looks sick. Just an inch or two lower with black wheels would look nice.

02BRB20

10-24-2007, 12:49 PM

lowered with 20x10 white optimises all around or massive eqiups

exitspeed

10-24-2007, 12:59 PM

Someone photoshop now please.

wootwoot

10-24-2007, 01:08 PM

Now all we need it Nissan to race in GT1 for LeMans

exitspeed

10-24-2007, 01:10 PM

Now all we need it Nissan to race in GT1 for LeMans

That would make sense. God it's gonna be hot.

I can't believe that there isn't 'chops of it as a full blown race car yet.

wootwoot

10-24-2007, 01:27 PM

SimpleS14

10-24-2007, 06:52 PM

and whats the launch control on this dang thing?!'

http://www.autoweek.com/apps/pbcs.dll/article?AID=/20071022/FREE/71019001/1065

Porsches "F you" to the GTR? I wanna see the GTR be in a class where the 911 is .

That is the Porsche 911 GT2...which shouldn't be compared with the GT-R since its on another level. The GT-R is comparable to the 911 Turbo, and I'm going to take a gamble and say that Porsche will adapt the DSG technology VW/Audi uses. I only say this because Porsche has a larger stake of ownership in VW and might possibly take full ownership in the future.

drift freaq

10-24-2007, 07:34 PM

That is the Porsche 911 GT2...which shouldn't be compared with the GT-R since its on another level. The GT-R is comparable to the 911 Turbo, and I'm going to take a gamble and say that Porsche will adapt the DSG technology VW/Audi uses. I only say this because Porsche has a larger stake of ownership in VW and might possibly take full ownership in the future.

Actually the previous version of the GT2 is exactly what the GTR tromped at the ring. Fact is the cost of the next gen GT2 is 205k the cost of a decked out GTR is 90k and its 2-5 tenths of second slower than next gen GT2. Hmmm that sounds like an awful lot of bang for the buck in comparision. I also bet you could take a base GTR 68k do a few things and get the top of the line model speeds out of it. Just like all the C6 Vette guys that buy the base instead of Z06 spend 5k on a Supercharger kit and wind up with more HP than a Z06 for close to 20k less.
Nothing more need be said on this particular subject.

Gnnr

10-24-2007, 09:18 PM

Very high res pics here

http://press.nissan-global.com/NISSANGTR/EN/photographs3.html

badboy6686

10-24-2007, 09:25 PM

Very high res pics here

http://press.nissan-global.com/NISSANGTR/EN/photographs3.html

looks like turbo upgrades are going to include manifolds...

wootwoot

10-24-2007, 10:36 PM

Regarding the GT2 I was basically saying "F you Nissan try and take down our top notch we'll just out do you all the way"

Which then will hopefully have Nissan going "well we havent made the z tune yet.....so lets do this"

Where does it say in reports that the GTR's laptimes are similar to the GT2??? It should really be no comparison at all...The GT2 should stomp the GTR. It weighs near 600 pounds less has 500ftlb of tq and equal HP. Has a smaller frontal area and overall better aerodynamics. If the times are similar then iam just straight up confused

wootwoot

10-24-2007, 10:37 PM

looks like turbo upgrades are going to include manifolds...

and who cares if it requires manifolds! the stockers dont look to hot on the HP anyway. I wanna see long tubers on that bia, right there I wonder how much extra power.

Unholy S14

10-24-2007, 10:42 PM

7:38:54
Partial wet conditions

In-car camera video here:
http://www.nissan.co.jp/MS/TOKYO2007/E/index.html

List of Official Nurbugring Record Times:

# 7:38 - Nissan GT-R
# 7:40 - Mercedes-Benz SLR McLaren
# 7:40 - Porsche 997 Turbo
# 7:40 - Bugatti Veyron
# 7:41 - Manthey Porsche GT3 M410
# 7.42 - Corvette Z06
# 7:42 - Porsche 997 GT3
# 7:42 - Ford GT, 550
# 7:43 - Lamborghini Murcielago
# 7:44 - Pagani Zonda S
# 7:46 - Porsche 996 GT2
# 7:46 - Jaguar XJ220
# 7:47 - Porsche 996 GT3 RS
# 7:47 - Ferrari 599 GTB Fiorano
# 7:47 - Lamborghini Murcielago LP640
# 7:48 - Porsche 997 GT3
# 7:49 - Helmut Dähne, Honda VFR750R
# 7:50 - Lamborghini Murcielago, (sport auto 06/02)
# 7:50 - BMW X5 E53 LM, BMW Lemans V-12 engine
# 7:50 - BMW M3 E46 CSL, 360 PS/1421 kg (sport auto 08/03)

YOUTUBE link

http://youtube.com/watch?v=uGe_fyhQazg

whats amazing is that nissans driver isnt even that good and it was wet condition, plus this isnt the top of the line model.

bravo nissan

badboy6686

10-24-2007, 10:54 PM

I wanna see long tubers on that bia, right there I wonder how much extra power.

haha are we shopping for headers for the ol' nova :cj:

wootwoot

10-24-2007, 10:59 PM

I'll throw some glasspacks on that ricer burner too.

Neejay

10-24-2007, 11:00 PM

Im interested to see what the USDM specs are...

WilloW

10-24-2007, 11:22 PM

Thanks for sharing, repped.

ONYX S-13

10-24-2007, 11:49 PM

^ Indeed.. + rep for joo.

What I've always wondered is why don't car companies just have the Ring taxi driver do all the time attacks since she's had the most track time there then anyone? She should be able to get the best times on the track within like 5 laps of getting used to the car. *shrugs*

Also why is the Porsche GT3 listed twice?

# 7:42 - Porsche 997 GT3

# 7:48 - Porsche 997 GT3

?!?!?!

xcusememisswyn

10-25-2007, 12:07 AM

Unholy S14

10-25-2007, 12:08 AM

Porsche had 2 different drivers

slider2828

10-25-2007, 12:21 AM

Wholly Christ, the Nissan Driver is unbelieveable. If you look closely, the guys braking distance or timing is right on the dot. Plus the corner that has a beveled dip on the left hand corner, he dropped in perfectly and accelerated out like crazy. Its wet conditions so added driver inputs were to test traction not to scrub off speed or being nervous. That guys is good... hands down, car is good too of course

TurDz

10-25-2007, 12:27 AM

Very high res pics here

http://press.nissan-global.com/NISSANGTR/EN/photographs3.html

Thank you thank you!!

ONYX S-13

10-25-2007, 12:38 AM

While the ring taxi driver has a lot of track time, she didnt build the cars.

I dont know who drove here, but Porsche especially has the builder of the car drive it around the track at times. Learning and getting a feel for the track can be a lot easier than understanding and pushing the exact limits of a car, which the builder can probably do best.

Makes sense.. Thanks for clarifying.. Seeing how a lot of companies use the NUrburgring as a testing ground the drivers from the manufacturers will have a decent amount of track time there as well to pull off pretty good times as well.

Kn1ves

10-25-2007, 02:48 AM

whack this is a repost (http://www.zilvia.net/f/showpost.php?p=1606242&postcount=168). but its cool you can have it

BOROSUN

10-25-2007, 03:37 AM

i forgot how long this track is...i couldnt even keep my eyes open.

time to sleep.

Kn1ves

10-25-2007, 03:45 AM

i forgot how long this track is...i couldnt even keep my eyes open.

time to sleep.

15 miles long ~

0100

10-25-2007, 07:49 AM

2999 lb GTR (http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/jdm_kumiko/imgs/7/2/724e0858.jpg)

2999 lb GTR (http://image.blog.livedoor.jp/jdm_kumiko/imgs/f/f/ff67c588.jpg)

exitspeed

10-25-2007, 07:55 AM

Im interested to see what the USDM specs are...

The GTR is a global car this time. It's going to be the same everywhere it's sold.

Now there's in car video proving the GTR is running 2 second faster times then the 911 turbo.

Here. (http://www.autoblog.com/2007/10/25/video-nissan-gt-r-laps-the-nurburgring-in-7-38/)

implayaz9

10-25-2007, 07:55 AM

da.. nice pics!

exitspeed

10-25-2007, 08:39 AM

Since we're talking about GTR's, what do you think the release of the new GTR will do to the value of R32,33, and 34 GTRs here in the states? I mea if you can get a brand new GTR that performs like this for $68k, who's gonna buy a used R34 for more then $40k? R32's should only be going for $10k at that point.

ManoNegra

10-25-2007, 10:14 AM

who's gonna buy a used R34 for more then $40k? R32's should only be going for $10k at that point.

Collectors would be my guess.

First Official Look (http://www.broadcaster.com/clip/29515)
Sorry if repost and lack of audio.

Neejay

10-25-2007, 11:35 AM

The GTR is a global car this time. It's going to be the same everywhere it's sold.

Now there's in car video proving the GTR is running 2 second faster times then the 911 turbo.

Here. (http://www.autoblog.com/2007/10/25/video-nissan-gt-r-laps-the-nurburgring-in-7-38/)

I knew that the name would be global, but I wasn't sure that the specs would be. Mainly due to emissions/safety standards.

exitspeed

10-25-2007, 11:57 AM

I knew that the name would be global, but I wasn't sure that the specs would be. Mainly due to emissions/safety standards.

The whole car is going to be global. They made it to be the same everywhere. I'm sure Japan and Europe will get some SE ones we don't get, but HP wise and the over-all car are the same.

Neejay

10-25-2007, 12:00 PM

The whole car is going to be global. They made it to be the same everywhere. I'm sure Japan and Europe will get some SE ones we don't get, but HP wise and the over-all car are the same.

Wow. Finally, about damn time. That is good news.

EDIT: Think that contributes to the price? (more money spent on testing + finding specs that would be universal, globally?)

wootwoot

10-25-2007, 12:23 PM

Technically that should make the price lower

exitspeed

10-25-2007, 01:34 PM

Wow. Finally, about damn time. That is good news.

EDIT: Think that contributes to the price? (more money spent on testing + finding specs that would be universal, globally?)

Technically that should make the price lower

Correct. The more continents they can spread the car across the better. This all was factored in with this new GTR.

xcusememisswyn

10-25-2007, 01:38 PM

Technically that should make the price lower

No it would be higher, because making it qualify for every country's safety and emissions laws while still making that power would involve a lot of research and technology.

ThePenIsMightier

10-25-2007, 01:50 PM

But not if they engineered it to meet the strictest laws from the beginning, like a smart company would do.

exitspeed

10-25-2007, 01:53 PM

No it would be higher, because making it qualify for every country's safety and emissions laws while still making that power would involve a lot of research and technology.

But not if they engineered it to meet the strictest laws from the beginning, like a smart company would do.

Exactly^. This car was designed from the START to be a global car. One of the reasons why it's built on a modified 350z/G35 chassis.

S14DB

10-25-2007, 01:58 PM

But not if they engineered it to meet the strictest laws from the beginning, like a smart company would do.
Everyone has different specs to what is safe and clean. Cars that pass in Japan won't pass here and some of the American cars wouldn't pass there. SR for example will pass a sniffer, but has no EGR so it fails here.

xcusememisswyn

10-25-2007, 01:59 PM

Exactly^. This car was designed from the START to be a global car. One of the reasons why it's built on a modified 350z/G35 chassis.

But not if they engineered it to meet the strictest laws from the beginning, like a smart company would do.

The point is, even if they did it from the beginning, building the car to meet every country's regulations would cost more than building a basic car, and making small adjustment for every country, sacrificing power here, and safety there, etc.

It takes more technology and research to please every country, its not a matter of just clearing the strictest country's rules, because there are still standards that the less strict countries need met individually as well. To take one car, and make it pass EVERY law, safety, and emissions test in EVERY country it will be sold costs a lot more than building a car and dumbing it down where needed. Technology and research to pass all these laws at once means more cost.

If this were not true then every car would be universal, because it would be the cheaper route, but its not, and the cost gets passed on to the MSRP and the consumer.

exitspeed

10-25-2007, 02:14 PM

The point is, even if they did it from the beginning, building the car to meet every country's regulations would cost more than building a basic car, and making small adjustment for every country, sacrificing power here, and safety there, etc.

It takes more technology and research to please every country, its not a matter of just clearing the strictest country's rules, because there are still standards that the less strict countries need met individually as well. To take one car, and make it pass EVERY law, safety, and emissions test in EVERY country it will be sold costs a lot more than building a car and dumbing it down where needed.

If this were not true then every car would be universal, because it would be the cheaper route, but its not, and the cost gets passed on to the MSRP and the consumer.

Again, since it was made on the same platform as two cars sold here in America,a nd not on a platform that needed to be modified to meet American standards, the cost isn't as bad. Now, if it was made a platform of say the R34, then they would have to put much more money into making it meet American's standards.

But I do see what you are saying.

xcusememisswyn

10-25-2007, 02:20 PM

Again, since it was made on the same platform as two cars sold here in America,a nd not on a platform that needed to be modified to meet American standards, the cost isn't as bad. Now, if it was made a platform of say the R34, then they would have to put much more money into making it meet American's standards.

But I do see what you are saying.

But thats just the platform, this isnt just a juiced up G/Z. The engine, the tuning, the body, the frame, the exhaust, the safety systems and so much more are all new. When Nissan developed all of this they had to have spent more money to make sure it meets the standards of any country the car may sell in. Theres probably very little benefits of using the G/Z platform when meeting these standards, because the platform itself doesnt meet standards, its what you put on and in the platform.

Its like the SR and KA, Nissan could have put in the extra time and money to make the SR legal in America, but instead they took the cheaper route and dropped the already legal and dumbed down KA in. In order to not have to just drop a VQ in the GT-R, they had to put in a lot more research to make sure it qualifies for both Japanese and American laws, as well as anywhere else that it will be sold.

Starting from the base up, building a universal car, the cost has to be quite a bit more than building a basic platform and making small changes and sacrifices from here to there.

exitspeed

10-25-2007, 02:56 PM

But thats just the platform, this isnt just a juiced up G/Z. The engine, the tuning, the body, the frame, the exhaust, the safety systems and so much more are all new. When Nissan developed all of this they had to have spent more money to make sure it meets the standards of any country the car may sell in. Theres probably very little benefits of using the G/Z platform when meeting these standards, because the platform itself doesnt meet standards, its what you put on and in the platform.

Its like the SR and KA, Nissan could have put in the extra time and money to make the SR legal in America, but instead they took the cheaper route and dropped the already legal and dumbed down KA in. In order to not have to just drop a VQ in the GT-R, they had to put in a lot more research to make sure it qualifies for both Japanese and American laws, as well as anywhere else that it will be sold.

Starting from the base up, building a universal car, the cost has to be quite a bit more than building a basic platform and making small changes and sacrifices from here to there.

I understand what you are saying. Of course it DID cost a lot of money to develop. But there WERE savings in doing it the way they did. That's what I'm getting at. I'm not implying they got a free GTR from building the G/Z. The costs offset each other I'm sure. Plus you have to remember Nissan is the KING of using parts from it's parts-bin. ;)

xcusememisswyn

10-25-2007, 03:08 PM

I understand what you are saying. Of course it DID cost a lot of money to develop. But there WERE savings in doing it the way they did. That's what I'm getting at. I'm not implying they got a free GTR from building the G/Z. The costs offset each other I'm sure. Plus you have to remember Nissan is the KING of using parts from it's parts-bin. ;)

I know what you mean, it saves money to Nissan, rather than building a monster for Japan, then another monster for the U.S. separately. But it doesnt save money compared to what Nissan usually does, which is build for Japan, then dumb down for the rest.

My basic point is that building a global car costs more. Both to Nissan and the consumer. It saves money compared to building two seperate cars (which would be stupid), but it doesn't save money compared to what Nissan normally does.

And while Nissan does pull from its own parts bin, almost everything here is new and revolutionary, both to Nissan and the entire automotive world. That means a lot of the cost goes into the research of all the new technology put into this car.

0100

10-25-2007, 03:10 PM

I hope this isn't true. Quoted from another forum I am on. I think the US GTR allotment is 200/month which may make it hard to get at mrsp without a markup. I really hope not. Especially when z06 can be had close to invoice never mind mrsp.

There's lots of talk about how fast the GTR might run the 'Ring and how "inexpensive" the car is in relationship to a 911 etc... But this may not really matter to those of us who are interested in buying the GTR at the so called "inexpensive price".

Anyone paid attention to the "fine print" as far as how many GTR's are being made? Nissan says there are just 12 engineers who will build the GTR engine, bottlenecking production and resulting in a limit of about 2x Audi R8 production (1000/mo vs. 500 mo) for worldwide consumption. If the R8 is any indication (700 units/year for the U.S.), we could be looking at 1300-1500 GTR's a year for the U.S.

Also like the R8, Nissan will only supply GTR's to certain of its dealerships who step up to pay $50k (in the R8's case: ~$100k) to be outfitted to service the GTR.

So if a Nissan dealer has to pay $50k just to be able to sell the GTR, and they are only going to get a limited number of GTR's a year (the dealers I've spoken to think they'll get 2-3/year)... Where do you think that $50k is going to go to? According to one dealer I spoke with, right into the dealer mark-up over MSRP on the GTR, for the consumer to pay.

It's amazing how quick an $80k car can suddenly become a $100k car.

Once you're into 6-figures and 1-2 year waiting lists.. Suddenly a whole lot more cars become more interesting

If I'm missing something, please let me know!

exitspeed

10-25-2007, 03:12 PM

I know what you mean, it saves money to Nissan, rather than building a monster for Japan, then another monster for the U.S. separately. But it doesnt save money compared to what Nissan usually does, which is build for Japan, then dumb down for the rest.

My basic point is that building a global car costs more. Both to Nissan and the consumer. It saves money compared to building two seperate cars (which would be stupid), but it doesn't save money compared to what Nissan normally does.

And while Nissan does pull from its own parts bin, almost everything here is new and revolutionary, both to Nissan and the entire automotive world. That means a lot of the cost goes into the research of all the new technology put into this car.

Fair enough.

I hope this isn't true. Quoted from another forum I am on. I think the US GTR allotment is 200/month which may make it hard to get at mrsp without a markup. I really hope not. Especially when z06 can be had close to invoice never mind mrsp.

You HAVE to expect some dealer mark-up in the beginning. It's inevitable. Unfortunate, but inevitable.

exitspeed

10-25-2007, 03:27 PM

From Autoblog! Someone just asked about this.

If you haven't had the opportunity to check out the Japanese Grand Touring Car Championship (JGTC), or as it's now referred to, the Super GT series, you're missing out. Supras battle NSXs, Zs and Imprezas. Lamborghinis take on Ferraris, Porsches and GT-Rs.

There are two classes GT300, for vehicles producing 300 HP, and GT500 for vehicles that are making, you guessed it, 500 HP. Both groups attack the same course at the same time, which makes for some of the greatest wheel-to-wheel touring car action in the world. Back in December of 2004, GTLIVE convinced the organizers of the JGTC to head east for an exhibition run at California Speedway in order to gauge interest in the sport Stateside. It was one Hell of a show, but at the end of the day, the sanctioning body of the JGTC didn't feel it was worth the effort to come back the following year.

Follow the jump, for more on the V8-powerd NISMO 350Z, a pic of the engine and the full press release.

We're really disappointed, now that we know that NISMO, Nissan's motorsports arm and one of the dominant teams in the JGTC Super GT series, has equipped their Z33 (Fairlady Z/350Z) with a 4.5-liter V8. The old turbo'd 3.5-liter mill was nixed to gain an advantage over a field of competitors that have made significant improvements over the past three years (the NISMO team has set the bar, winning two championships in three years).

There isn't too much information about the car, as the team has to keep much of their data under wraps, but judging by the sinister look of the new Z, they've come a long way in both aerodynamic enhancements and weight reduction. Five of these worked over Zs will compete in this year's series (starting in just over a month) and will be campaigned by HASEMI Motor Sport, Team Impul and Kondo Racing, with the remaining two being used by the NISMO team itself. However, all the teams will benefit from factory backing.

PRESS RELEASE

February 9, 2007

Nissan Motor Co., Ltd.
Nissan Motorsports International Co., LTD

Nissan challenges SUPER GT Championship with new V8 engined Z
- 2007 Global motorsport programs announced -

Nissan Motor Co., Ltd. and Nissan Motorsports International Co., LTD (hereafter NISMO)today announced their global motorsports activities for the 2007 season.

Nissan's factory Fairlady Zs (350Z) will now be powered by a stronger 4.5 L V8 engine aiming at victory in this years SUPER GT championship in Japan. Complimented by changes to the chassis and other key components, the competitiveness of the machines that won championships twice in the past three years has now been significantly improved.

The main focus of the factory-backed team this year will be their entry in the GT 500 Class of the SUPER GT Series, the premium racing championship in Japan. Further, support of national and international privateer teams will be provided as Nissan maintains its longstanding commitment to grassroots racing activities.

1. SUPER GT

Entry in SUPER GT with the Z33 type Fairlady Z. Continuing from last year, Mr. Kunihiko Kakimoto will lead as General Manager of all the Nissan teams, while Mr. Yoshitaka Iijima continues as Team Manager of NISMO.

NISMO will technically support and develop cars for teams entering SUPER GT with the Fairlady Z. A total of five Fairlady Zs from HASEMI MOTOR SPORT, TEAM IMPUL and KONDO RACING as well as NISMO will enter the GT 500 class.

The 2007 model Fairlady Z has been developed with a focus on the following areas:

1. Countermeasures to regulations changes (recovery of lower downforce and higher center of gravity)
2. Taking maximum advantage of the normally-aspirated V8 engine

A) Reduction of drag
B) Improvement of body stiffness
C) Weight-reduction

Teams
Car# Entrant Manager Driver Car Name
22 NISMO Yoshitaka Iijima Michael Krumm / Tsugio Matsuda MOTUL AUTECH Z
23 Satoshi Motoyama / Richard Lyons XANAVI NISMO Z
3 HASEMI MOTOR SPORT Masahiro Hasemi Sebastien Philippe / Masataka Yanagida YellowHat YMS Moba HO! TOMICA Z
12 TEAM IMPUL Kazuyoshi Hoshino Benoit Treluyer / Kazuki Hoshino CALSONIC IMPUL Z
24 KONDO RACING Masahiko Kondo Joao Paulo de Oliveira / Seiji Ara TBA

2. Privateer Support

A variety of motorsport programs will be supported by Nissan, allowing our customers to get the most out of their racing investments.

1) March Cup Race /Nissan Racing School:

Although set as an "entry class" category, the March Cup Race allows entrants to enjoy a real racing experience. Using the on-board data-logger lets entrants improve their driving skills while experiencing the excitement of driving a real racing car. A dedicated 'Racing School' using the March Cup cars will be held at each circuit prior to every race, and will feature instruction on proper racing etiquette and maintenance of the car. There will be one additional class added to the Racing School this season in order to provide the authentic environment for anyone who has never before driven a race car, giving them the opportunity to join the series. A GPS system which automatically records the driving patterns will be mounted on the rental cars of the Racing School, giving better guidance for the drivers.

2) Support to Privateers in National Series:

[SUPER GT GT300 class] :
Technical support will be provided to privateer teams. This year, three Fairlady Zs from two teams plan to make an entry to the series.

[Super Taikyu Series] :
Technical support will be provided to privateer teams. Endless Sports plans to have one car entered, and C-WEST will enter one Fairlady Z Version NISMO Type 380 RS-Competition in ST class 1. Furthermore, six Fairlady Z cars are planned for ST class 3.

[Formula Challenge Japan (FCJ) ] :
Formula Challenge Japan started last year with its objective of raising young Japanese drivers to become capable of making outstanding performances internationally. Nissan has taken part in promoting this category since its inaugural season. Also, an engine maintenance service will be provided by NISMO under the integrated management of the promoter. One Nissan Scholarship driver from last season will be promoted to the Formula Renault Series in Europe. This year, four drivers have been selected already as Nissan Scholarship drivers and will be provided support by the company.

3) Major Overseas Activities:

[China] :
China Circuit Championship (CCC) is the most popular motorsports category in China where Chinese drivers compete with touring cars which are developed off locally-built vehicle platforms. Last year, Nissan Tiida won the Championship in its debut year. Continuing from last season, entry to the CCC Touring Car 1600cc class will be made through the Dongfeng Nissan with the Chinese top team, Ghia Sports Team. Staying with the proven Tiida, the team aims to capture consecutive championship titles.

[USA] :
Nissan North America will support teams that enter Championship Off-Road Racing (CORR) with the Nissan Titan in the Pro 2 class and Nissan Frontier in the Pro Lite class. The aim is for another double championship title.

[South Africa] :
Nissan South Africa will make its entry in the South African Off-Road Championship with the Nissan Navara, in pursuit of its 7th consecutive Driver's Championship title. It will also enter the South Africa Production Car Championship Race Series with the 350Z after its victory in the championship last season.

0100

10-25-2007, 03:32 PM

You HAVE to expect some dealer mark-up in the beginning. It's inevitable. Unfortunate, but inevitable.

Yeah, I just hope the stealerships don't go insane. I wish you could just buy cars direct from the manufacturer, dealers are useless in everyway. It's not like they are even going to allow test drives on the GTR. They should do it like a lot of the race car manufacturers do it. You fly out to there test track and test drive their "mule car". Order it and have it shipped to you.

exitspeed

10-25-2007, 03:38 PM

Yeah, I just hope the stealerships don't go insane. I wish you could just buy cars direct from the manufacturer, dealers are useless in everyway. It's not like they are even going to allow test drives on the GTR. They should do it like a lot of the race car manufacturers do it. You fly out to there test track and test drive their "mule car". Order it and have it shipped to you.

Dealerships are a cancer to the Auto industry. I read a good article once about how to do away with them.

0100

10-25-2007, 03:43 PM

^YES YES I know the exact article.

exitspeed

10-25-2007, 03:45 PM

^YES YES I know the exact article.

Good read, huh.

0100

10-25-2007, 03:48 PM

Hell yes. If I had time I would find it because everyone on here should read it. Sorry guys lazy but just do a google search.

exitspeed

10-25-2007, 03:51 PM

Hell yes. If I had time I would find it because everyone on here should read it. Sorry guys lazy but just do a google search.

Yea, I'm not gonna try finding it either. Shit was like a year ago. I think.

02BRB20

10-25-2007, 03:58 PM

No it would be higher, because making it qualify for every country's safety and emissions laws while still making that power would involve a lot of research and technology.

you are missing the big point though.

$ made selling GTRs internationally > $ made selling it only in japan

Nissan takes will initially invest more bc it pays off wayyyyyyy more at the end, esp at the price the GTR is selling for, more units @ lower price= $$$$$$$

xcusememisswyn

10-25-2007, 04:38 PM

bunch of autoblog stuff

Cliffnotes please? Im not readin all that haha

You HAVE to expect some dealer mark-up in the beginning. It's inevitable. Unfortunate, but inevitable.

Its gonna be marked up at the beginning, because somebody is gonna pay the marked up price. If no one pays it, then they will drop the price, but odds are it will sell where ever they put it.

It sucks, ya, but its good business as well.

you are missing the big point though.

$ made selling GTRs internationally > $ made selling it only in japan

Nissan takes will initially invest more bc it pays off wayyyyyyy more at the end, esp at the price the GTR is selling for, more units @ lower price= $$$$$$$

Except your wrong. If it was an economy car, yes, but this is far from an economy car.

They pay more to develop the car that way, which means EVERYONE from EVERYWHERE pays more for the car. More production costs = more cost to the consumer. Simple economics. They dont sell their cars at such a high profit that they can afford to pay millions more in research and development, and still make money selling only a few thousand a year without raising the cost.

They arent producing enough of them that they could get away with not raising the price to match the cost of the research. You say if it was going to sell in high numbers, they would eventually overcome their production costs, but its not, so they wont.

But I really think its a halo car for Nissan anyway, they probably wont make any money off of its direct sales, but it will add to Nissan's reputation and increase sales elsewhere, as well as make money through racing. Kind of like the Viper does for Dodge.

But even then, its a circle, because unless we go ask Nissan ourselves, we cant really know.

02BRB20

10-25-2007, 06:14 PM

They arent producing enough of them that they could get away with not raising the price to match the cost of the research. You say if it was going to sell in high numbers, they would eventually overcome their production costs, but its not, so they wont.

producing enough yet. No one creates a car to lose money (save VW w/ the veyron). Nissan knows that the GTR can only be sold at this price range, bc no one wants to buy a $100K+ Nissan; not enough units would be sold and they would lose alot of money.

You take a supercar and make it super affordable and a budget buster and this should equal sells. Low price @ high volume = $$$$$$.

This is why Nissan spends alot of money initially to make it available to the whole world, bc they plan to overcome this debt by moving lots of units at a very very affordable price.

According to C&D Nissan plans to sell 1000 per month:
1000x 80,000 = $80,000,000 est.

12 months a year...GTR should be around for a couple of years...factor in the aftermarket and Nismo...

yea, Nissan made this car to make profit.

xcusememisswyn

10-25-2007, 07:42 PM

Do you know what it costs to build a GTR? Could very well be $79,000, could be $85,000, (plus millions and millions of dollars in research) there are cars that companies dont really make profits on, but are still produced for other reasons. Like I said, I think that this is one of those cars. And honestly, unless your name is Carlos Ghosn, then you dont know what Nissans purpose is anymore than me.

Its called a halo car. The company doesnt expect it to sell well, but it shows what Nissan can do. Its an engineering masterpiece that draws people into the showroom with hope that they will buy a less expensive, more reasonable car while there. I think Nissan did what they have with this car, and made it globally the same, because they wanted their new halo car to be the most badass thing to roam the streets of both Japan and the Americas. Same as the Viper, the Ford GT, the Z06, etc. Google it if you dont believe me.

And if they plan to make 12,000 cars a year, it should be interesting to see how they sell considering Chevy only makes around 6,000 Z06's a year, and too make twice that while charging more, and lacking a reputation as of right now. Just doesnt add up. No 40 year old man making high six figures wants to pull up to the country club in a Nissan, even if it is this one.

SimpleS14

10-25-2007, 07:55 PM

I think it would take quite awhile (maybe 4 years) before Nissan turns a profit on this car.....but of course this is just my opinion and speculation.

I know its off-topic....but I'm giddity to see what's in store for the next Z.

xcusememisswyn

10-25-2007, 08:09 PM

Dodge factories break even in production costs if they produce 12 Vipers per day, they average 11.

GM in 2006 lost $146 dollars per vehicle it sold in the U.S., Toyota averaged the most per-vehicle profit in the U.S. with a little under $2K. Nissan averaged the most per-vehicle-profit nationwide with about $2100. Selling a single car does not turn huge profits, thats why they need to produce high numbers, 12,000 is not high volume, nowhere near it, especially compared to the millions of cars that Nissan and Toyota sell in the average year.

There is no way that selling only a 1000 a month, Nissan expects huge profits from this car, if any. Even if they invoice it at double the average, say $4000, it would still take years to cover the cost of research and advertising that went into the car alone.

Edit: To put it in perspective, that 12000 cars would represent about 0.0013% of Nissan's production output, not even one percent. If they made $30,000 per vehicle, it would still only represent about 2 percent of their overall profits. The GT-R will not put even a speed bump in Nissans quarterly reports graphs. They ARE NOT producing this car to make profits off its sale.

02BRB20

10-25-2007, 09:09 PM

And if they plan to make 12,000 cars a year, it should be interesting to see how they sell considering Chevy only makes around 6,000 Z06's a year, and too make twice that while charging more, and lacking a reputation as of right now. Just doesnt add up. No 40 year old man making high six figures wants to pull up to the country club in a Nissan, even if it is this one.

I dont know so im asking, but can you even buy a ZO6 in Japan? or Europe? Thats sort of an advantage to the GTR if you cant.

I could imagine so many lil rich shit 20 year olds eating this up; $10 says Nick Hogan gets one, hahaha.

xcusemems. you're right though about the other stuff. I can completely see this car boosting other nissan car sales.

What im really anxious to see though is the horizontal integration of the GTR. Racecars, aftermarket, how it will live up to the iconic status.

Top Secret GTR, ahhhhh :hyper:

wootwoot

10-25-2007, 11:04 PM

What I was trying to get it at personally is the more you make of something the less it costs to produce each whatever. It gets cheaper to manufacture as you go no matter what which isnt necessarily a good thing.

SimpleS14

10-26-2007, 08:23 PM

A hotter version of the GT-R coming in 2010....

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=123174

Neejay

10-26-2007, 08:27 PM

A hotter version of the GT-R coming in 2010....

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=123174About damn time the USA is included and on par with the GT-R. That thing should be a beast.

Unholy S14

10-26-2007, 10:17 PM

you guys are welcome

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/video.php?illustration=259

Neejay

10-26-2007, 10:26 PM

you guys are welcome

http://www.carmagazine.co.uk/video.php?illustration=259Whoa, nice find. Thanks.

TurDz

10-26-2007, 11:05 PM

A hotter version of the GT-R coming in 2010....

http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/News/articleId=123174

Must've had a few typos saying "sedan."

Neejay

10-26-2007, 11:10 PM

Must've had a few typos saying "sedan."LOL I doubt it. Doesn't suprise me though. Since the R32, has each version had a 2 AND 4dr?

S14DB

10-26-2007, 11:39 PM

anyone got pics of the cut away GTR?

xcusememisswyn

10-26-2007, 11:51 PM

Assuming you mean this.
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e373/xcusememisswyn/724e0858.jpg
http://i43.photobucket.com/albums/e373/xcusememisswyn/ff67c588.jpg

SimpleS14

10-27-2007, 07:45 PM

^--- too cool

powersteeringless180sx

10-28-2007, 03:06 AM

wow awesome... nice oil cooler

Kn1ves

10-28-2007, 09:07 AM

http://www2.nissan.co.jp/GT-R/R35/0710/index.html

Official Japanese Site

Quick question, what does Takumi mean?
Its under 2 and I guess has something to do about how the car is built?
Does it mean precise handling or something?

LED Foglights look real nice
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v77/Kn1ves/led.jpg

drift freaq

10-28-2007, 11:32 AM

Takumi means artisan . Its also used as a Japanese name. If you were Japanese and your name was Takumi you might say your parents named you because they felt you would be artisan or artist. You could say Takumi Sato is a Artisan of driving because he is a F1 driver.
Its noun descriptive. Hence Takumi project or naming a resturant Takumi.

oops my bad its Takuma Sato lol. Though that name too has a meaning thats artisan related.

Taniguchi_Is_#1

10-28-2007, 02:50 PM

You could say Takumi Sato is a Artisan of driving because he is a F1 driver.

but his name is Takuma.