History Lesson

[RJF]

A little history lesson: If you don't know the answer make your best guess. Answer all the questions before looking at the answers. Who said it?

1) "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."

A. Karl Marx
B. Adolph Hitler
C. Joseph Stalin
D. None of the above

2) "It's time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the few, by the few, and for the few...and to replace it with shared responsibility for shared prosperity."

A. Lenin
B. Mussolini
C. Idi Amin
D. None of the Above

3) "(We)...can't just let business as usual go on, and that means something has to be taken away from some people."

A. Nikita Khrushev
B. Josef Goebbels
C. Boris Yeltsin
D. None of the above

4) "We have to build a political consensus and that requires people to give up a little bit of their own...in order to create this common ground."

A. Mao Tse Dung
B. Hugo Chavez
C. Kim Jong Il
D. None of the above

5) "I certainly think the free-market has failed."

A. Karl Marx
B. Lenin
C. Molotov
D. None of the above

6) "I think it's time to send a clear message to what has become the most profitable sector in (the) entire economy that they are being watched."

A. Pinochet
B. Milosevic
C. Saddam Hussein
D. None of the above

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Answers:

(1) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/29/2004
(2) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 5/29/2007
(3) D. None of the above. Statem ent was made by Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
(4) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
(5) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 6/4/2007
(6) D. None of the above. Statement was made by Hillary Clinton 9/2/2005

Be afraid. Be very, very afraid

[steve shadows]

god bless you

[BustedS13]

doh! doesn't matter, John Edwards is going to be the next president :D

[S14DB]

ReHash of a Rehash of a Rehash...

[RJF]

ReHash of a Rehash of a Rehash...

Yeah, but people seem to keep forgetting...otherwise she wouldn't 45% in the polls.

[steve shadows]

Yeah, but people seem to keep forgetting...otherwise she wouldn't 45% in the polls.

thats politcs

painting yourself as the every-person

so that everyone identifies you as a person

then once in office, fuck over everyone, and I mean everyone.

even bush fucked up big time.

can't wait for Persia to become the most powerful empire in the middle east and our economy collapse thanks to the Euro and drop massive rise in gold prices and inflation

oh well at least he tried.

[ThatGuy]

She only wants to be President so she can have her chance to get a BJ in the Oval Office. :keke:

[BustedS13]

Persia

....persia?

msglength :)

[ramblux]

Any chance of getting some more context for those quotes? I'm just asking because:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/marxist.asp

[mRclARK1]

No way would I ever consider voting for Clinton... that lady actually scares me, and that's not easy.

[Phlip]

She only wants to be President because she wants to ruin the world, because women are evil

There, fixed that for you

[ramblux]

If anyone would bother to read what I posted above.... I've bolded important parts of the first example, and you can read the rest if you actually care to:



Origins: Most collections of political quotes are difficult to rate as strictly "true" or "false" — although they generally include statements that were indeed uttered by the persons to whom they're attributed, they also create misleading impressions about the nature of those statements by eliding portions of them and stripping them of all explanatory context.

This collection of purported "Marxist" quotes by Senator Hillary Clinton is no exception, so as usual we've attempted to clarify it by identifying the source of each statement and providing additional context:

* "We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."

This is an accurate quote, but also a misleading one in that it completely omits the context. Senator Clinton was not addressing the general public, but rather a group of relatively well-to-do Democrats attending a June 2004 fundraiser for California senator Barbara Boxer. And her statement specifically referred to a desire to repeal tax cuts that had recently been enacted by the Bush administration, cuts which Democrats had criticized as favoring the wealthy:
Headlining an appearance with other Democratic women senators on behalf of Sen. Barbara Boxer, who is up for re-election this year, Hillary Clinton told several hundred supporters — some of whom had ponied up as much as $10,000 to attend — to expect to lose some of the tax cuts passed by President Bush if Democrats win the White House and control of Congress.

"Many of you are well enough off that ... the tax cuts may have helped you," Sen. Clinton said. "We're saying that for America to get back on track, we're probably going to cut that short and not give it to you. We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good."

* "It's time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the few, by the few, and for the few ... And to replace it with shared responsibility for shared prosperity."

This is a pieced-together passage from a 29 May 2007 economic policy speech given by Senator Clinton on the subject of "Modern Progressive Vision: Shared Prosperity." The supposedly "socialist" nature of this statement is somewhat undercut when the sentences that immediately followed it are included for context:
It's time for a new beginning, for an end to government of the few, by the few and for the few, time to reject the idea of an "on your own" society and to replace it with shared responsibility for shared prosperity. I prefer a "we're all in it together" society.

Now, there is no greater force for economic growth than free markets, but markets work best with rules that promote our values, protect our workers and give all people a chance to succeed.

When we get our priorities in order and make the smart investments we need, the markets work well.

* "(We) ... can't just let business as usual go on, and that means something has to be taken away from some people."

"We have to build a political consensus and that requires people to give up a little bit of their own turf in order to create this common ground."

"I certainly think the free-market has failed."

The above three statements are all out-of-context passages taken from a 4 June 2007 CNN "Presidential Forum" conducted with three Democratic presidential hopefuls, senators John Edwards, Barack Obama, and Hillary Clinton. The second statement was part of a straightforward expression of the need to reach a political consensus on how to proceed in order to tackle an issue such as universal health insurance. The first statement is another pieced-together quote that omits the contextual references to health care, dependence on foreign oil, and global warming:
We can set the vision. We can even work to articulate the goal. But the pathway is extraordinarily complicated because of how we live today and
how we think of ourselves in relation to our fellow citizens.

Take health care. I think we could get almost unanimous agreement that having more than 45 million uninsured people, nine million of whom are children, is a moral wrong in America. And I think we could reach that agreement, and then we would have to start doing the hard work of deciding what we were going to do to make sure that they were not uninsured, because an uninsured person who goes to the hospital is more likely to die than an insured person. I mean, that is a fact.

So, what do we do? We have to build a political consensus. And that requires people giving up a little bit of their own turf, in order to create this common ground.

The same with energy — you know, we can't keep talking about our dependence on foreign oil, and the need to deal with global warming, and the challenge that it poses to our climate and to God's creation, and just let business as usual go on.

And that means something has to be taken away from some people.
The third statement was part of a passage in which Senator Clinton listed a number of societal aspects (including the free market) which she felt had failed in helping young people to make responsible decisions (particularly in reference to abortion):
Q: Could you see yourself, with millions of voters in a pro-life camp, creating a common ground, with the goal ultimately in mind of reducing the decisions for abortion to zero?

A: Yes. Yes.

And that is what I have tried to both talk about and reach out about over the last many years, going back, really, at least 15 years, in talking about abortion being safe, legal, and rare. And, by rare, I mean rare.

And it's been a challenge, because the pro-life and the pro-choice communities have not really been willing to find much common ground. And I think that is a great failing on all of our parts, because, for me there are many opportunities to assist young people to make responsible decisions.

There is a tremendous educational and public outreach that could be done through churches, through schools, through so much else. But I think it has to be done with an understanding of reaching people where they are today.

We have so many young people who are tremendously influenced by the media culture and by the celebrity culture, and who have a very difficult time trying to sort out the right decisions to make.

And I personally believe that the adult society has failed those people. I mean, I think that we have failed them in our churches, our schools, our government. And I certainly think the, you know, free market has failed. We have all failed.

We have left too many children to sort of fend for themselves morally.

* "I think it's time to send a clear message to what has become the most profitable sector in (the) entire economy that they are being watched."

This passage was taken from a 2 September 2005 appearance by Senator Clinton in front of constituents in Elmira Heights, New York, where (in the aftermath of Hurricane Katrina) she expressed her opinion about the need for federal regulatory oversight of the oil industry in order to curb high gasoline prices and U.S. dependence on foreign oil:
The anxiety and anger felt by motorists was evident at nearly every turn in her travels throughout the Finger Lakes region of Upstate New York. She made clear she shared the concern.

"I think it's time to send a clear message to what has become the most profitable sector in our entire economy that they're being watched," she said in explaining her call for an inquiry by the Federal Trade Commission. "I think human nature left to itself is going to push the limit as far as possible, and that's what you need a government regulatory system for: to keep an eye on people to make the rules of the game fair, to make a level playing field and not give anybody some kind of undue advantage."

Clinton criticized the new energy bill, which she opposed, as inadequate to solve the country's long-term energy problem. She said the United States has regressed over the past three decades, since the first oil shocks of the early 1970s. "We've had 30 years to do some things we haven't done," she said. "In fact we've gotten, we've gone backwards in many respects.

"I am tired of being at the mercy of people in the Middle East and elsewhere, and I'm tired frankly of being at the mercy of these large oil companies," Clinton said.
Last updated: 7 September 2007

The URL for this page is http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/marxist.asp

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by Barbara and David P. Mikkelson
This material may not be reproduced without permission.
Sources Sources:

Balz, Dan. "Oil Firms Turn Katrina Into Profits, Clinton Says."
The Washington Post. 3 September 2005 (p. A10).

Fouhy, Beth. "San Francisco Rolls Out the Red Carpet for the Clintons."
Associated Press. 29 June 2004.

CNN. "The Situation Room: Sojourners Presidential Forum."
4 June 2007.



I find it very irresponsible to pass off things of this nature as "fact" without giving the full story. I'm not a Hillary supporter, but then I haven't made up my mind about my vote yet either. Muck like this doesn't help anyone make an informed decision, especially younger voters who base their political views on things they read on forums (i.e., Zilvia.net).

[ManoNegra]

Any chance of getting some more context for those quotes? I'm just asking because:

http://www.snopes.com/politics/clintons/marxist.asp

Exactly, context is everything.

[RJF]

Any chance of getting some more context for those quotes? I'm just asking because:



So, I take it you are a Hillary supporter?

Well, if she is elected or any Democrat...we are all going to end up paying....higher taxes...less security....and who knows what else

[ramblux]

If anyone would bother to read what I posted above.... I've bolded important parts of the first example, and you can read the rest if you actually care to:





I find it very irresponsible to pass off things of this nature as "fact" without giving the full story. I'm not a Hillary supporter, but then I haven't made up my mind about my vote yet either. Muck like this doesn't help anyone make an informed decision, especially younger voters who base their political views on things they read on forums (i.e., Zilvia.net).


The Canadian dollar is now worth 97% of a US dollar, which last happened when? We're in trouble, and something needs to change. Republicans are changing parties like never before, so it's not like even they are in denial about the status quo. So like I said, I'm not a Hillary supporter (I sure as hell WAS a Bill supporter), but I'm not ruling her out until I've exhausted all resources reading about their proposed policies.

[S14DB]

So, I take it you are a Hillary supporter?

Well, if she is elected or any Democrat...we are all going to end up paying....higher taxes...less security....and who knows what else

Cause FOXNEWS says so?

[BustedS13]

So, I take it you are a Hillary supporter?

Well, if she is elected or any Democrat...we are all going to end up paying....higher taxes...less security....and who knows what else

yeah, it'd be 9/11 times a hundred!!!

:cj::cj::cj::cj::cj::cj::cj::cj::cj:

[Farzam]

Fuck people who take things out of context/lying to people to get what they want.

Fuck the maker of this "history lesson"

[Andrew Bohan]

fuck arguing about politics

completely pointless

[Baka Sama]

She's got a smile that it seems to me
Reminds me of childhood... memories
Where everything was as fresh as the bright blue sky
Now and then when I see her face
She takes me away to that... special place
And if I'd stare too long
I'd probably break down and cry~

whoaa oh oh OHHHHH!

[unwed_transient]

The Canadian dollar is now worth 97% of a US dollar, which last happened when? We're in trouble, and something needs to change. Republicans are changing parties like never before, so it's not like even they are in denial about the status quo. So like I said, I'm not a Hillary supporter (I sure as hell WAS a Bill supporter), but I'm not ruling her out until I've exhausted all resources reading about their proposed policies.

wow, i forgot the canadian dollar compared to ours was the standard economic barometer.

will everyone calm down for a moment. it's not like she has a snowball's chance anyway.

[Baka Sama]

Farzam I think its time you shaved that 5:00

[Farzam]

I'm squeaky fresh right now...

I had an honest abe all week just to see if people would notice...

My facial hair grows like crayzeeeee.

[Baka Sama]

http://img68.imageshack.us/img68/9383/g216by.jpg

The only way to go. :bigok:

[DRavenS13]

http://i16.photobucket.com/albums/b11/DarkRaven106/lawnmower.gif

What I recommend for those really coarse-haired dudes. That shit hurts.

[Baka Sama]

The only good place for hair is on top of your head. Your girl will thank you.

[ramblux]

wow, i forgot the canadian dollar compared to ours was the standard economic barometer.

will everyone calm down for a moment. it's not like she has a snowball's chance anyway.

It was one example, but I get the feeling that you knew that and you just wanted to throw a couple of pennies into the jar.

[HalveBlue]

fuck arguing about politics

completely pointless

Yes, and let's repeal the 1st ammendment while we're at it. It's pointless anyway.

:rolleyes:

[HalveBlue]

wow, i forgot the canadian dollar compared to ours was the standard economic barometer.

will everyone calm down for a moment. it's not like she has a snowball's chance anyway.

The Canadian dollar is just one example. The dollar has been losing strength versus almost every major currency in the world.

And I do think Hillary has a chance. She doesn't need to be the best candidate, just the least bad one.

I don't like her and I don't agree with some of her stances, but right now I think she has as much of a chance as anyone.

[Andrew Bohan]

Yes, and let's repeal the 1st ammendment while we're at it. It's pointless anyway.

:rolleyes:

what the hell does that have to do with anything?

[HalveBlue]

Because the whole purpose of the First Ammendment is o allow people to argue about politics.

If you find no worth in political debate than you might as well abolish the First Ammendment.

[SimpleSexy180]

any of you like ron paul?

[S14DB]

The transvestite?

[Andrew Bohan]

Because the whole purpose of the First Ammendment is o allow people to argue about politics.

If you find no worth in political debate than you might as well abolish the First Ammendment.

that doesn't follow at all

i find political bickering worthless. just like trying to convince drifters that drifting is gay. totally pointless. does that mean it should be illegal? fuck no. bicker all you want. have fun not changing die hard believers' minds.

[HalveBlue]

That's fine.

You're entitled to your opinion.

I'll stick to mine.

I believe that the freedom of speech allows us to express our opinion and address grievances against the government.

Political discourse is important.

Perhaps it may seem futile to you, but I for one believe that it allows us to gain a better understanding of others' political opinions.

This thread is a perfect example. The initial post proclaimed to present political statements made by Hillary Clinton. Viewed in isolation, without proper contexts, these statements conveyed a different attitude than when viewed in proper context.

It's not bickering, it's trying to find an underlying truth.

But, like I stated earlier, you are entitled to your own opinion.

[eastcoastS14]

hahah wow way to take things that were said out of context....should I post quotes by jerry fallwell and pat robertson now or later? I can post things said by right wing conservatives all day that would make you think we live in nazi germany.....I guess thats the game tho, and especially one the republicans love to play...pull out on part of one speech or interview and spin it off to be something 10x worse...since the average american doesnt watch the news or read the news paper anyway they rely on those 10second sound blurbs of some republican bashing some democrat and calling them unpatriotic etc and take it to be true....

[SimpleSexy180]

weve been living in nazi germany. whats new?

[fliprayzin240sx]

Wanna hear the most fucked up shiet ive heard in a while? Our national debt, just tripled itself!!! Tripled...who gives a shiet right?!?! Well thank dub-yah, he did this shiet in 6 years.

[Andrew Bohan]

when he took office, we had a surplus

[Farzam]

I DIDN'T VOTE FOR BUSH

In fact I voted for nobody.

[EchoOfSilence]

i actually voted for nader. cali was gonna be a blue state anyway, and I just wanted to show that i didnt support either kerry or bush

anyway. painting hillary as a communist and comparing what she said to the likes of people like hussein and pinochet is the same kind of fucking fear-mongering that was so heavily fostered during the Cold War. Same fucking fear-mongering that fucked up Guatemala (yes. that was us.)

damn right some priviledged people need to be taxed to give some more to those that have less. do that shit.