Took the S13 to Buttonwillow again... PICS!

[Nikeboy355]

I took the S13 out to Buttonwillow Raceway again last friday with Speed Ventures...

http://www.speedventures.com/

This was my second time here with my best time from last event being 2:22 ... Configuration of the course for both events was 13 Clockwise which is the time attack config...

Mods on the car are:

Stock Rebuilt KA24DE (OEM rebuild)
eBay intake
Buddy Club 80mm Spec 2 exhaust
KTS coilovers
17x9 +20 5Zigen FN01RC all around
245-40-17 Bridgestone RE01-R tires all around
Energy Suspension master bushing set
SPL solid subframe bushings
Hawk Blue brake pads
VLSD

Alignment settings are:

-2.5* camber front and rear
0 toe front
1/8" toe in rear
stock caster
damping set at 6 front, 5 rear... from soft... 15 way adjustable...

Weight of the car came out to 2420 lb. with 3/4 tank of gas...
I haven't dyno'd the car yet with this engine but I'd guess about 140WHP...

http://nitinj.com/Images/240SX2/Buttonwillow%20092807/2DSC01374.JPG

http://photos.freshalloy.com/gallery/d/29593-1/2IMG_6218.jpg

Impressions:

The S13 ran great... The driver needs more seat time...
I only ended up running 1 complete session and 2 incomplete ones...
The first one I ran I pulled off because I got spooked after watching an accident... The last session that was incomplete was because the flywheel bolts backed out again...

But during the second session, I ran a 2:18, which is an improvement of 4 seconds over last time... And I wasn't pushing the car at all, just looking for the best lines... Here are some notes from the laps:

1. The car doesn't feel underpowered at all... Only one car (E46 M3) did I have to let pass me but everyone else (majority of who had 100 more HP than me) was not a problem...
2. I still haven't found the limit of stock brakes with race pads... I keep pushing them harder and harder and they take the abuse... It's pretty impressive and scary at the same time... I hope they don't fail me!...
3. 95% of the course is in 3rd and 4th gear
4. The stock S13 seat sucks at the track... I keep having to fight to hold myself up...
5. I could feel the car understeering during the downhill turns which I want to see if I can get rid of...

Here is a turn by turn on the course:

http://www.buttonwillowraceway.com/images/race_13_config.gif

1. Enter "Sunrise" in 3rd gear...
2. Go tight up "Off ramp" on the right and full throttle in 2nd gear very early... No one could catch me here...
3. Enter "Cotton Corners" at the bottom of 3rd... I still need to find the best line here... Exiting "Cotton Corners" I have to stay as far left as possible because I feel oversteer as I go downhill to the right...
4. Let off at "Club Corner" and then full throttle, end up in 4th gear... I need to stop letting off at "Club Corner" and see if I can get away with just a tap...
5. Stay right going into "Bus Stop" and then cut left without hitting the berm... This is taken in 3rd gear... I want to try not going so far right and hitting the berm all in 4th gear... I saw my S2000 friends do it...
6. "Truck Stop" to "Riverside" as fast as possible... 4th gear cruising... I just need to keep getting faster here...
7. Up "Lost Hill" on the left and brake hard where the white/red lines start... Aim for the cone at the top of "Lost Hill" and power out at the top in 3rd gear... I've seen others go full throttle through this area...
8. Full throttle through "Drag Strip"
9. Enter the "Sweeper" in the middle and slowly drift to the outside... Then cut in at the end to enter the "Esses" more straight...
10. Exit the "Esses" in 4th gear and full throttle out...
11. Take "Sunset" wide while downshifting to 2nd... This is another place where I should be able to just tap the brakes and give it gas...

There are definitely some areas that I know I can improve and I just need to spend more time in the car at the track... My current best time is 2:18 but I view the times for this config like this:

2:30 - Decent beginner or stock car (I consider stock car as a $30K new-ish sports car... ex. S2000, 350Z, RX8, used M3)
2:20 - Stock or mildly modified car with a more practiced driver
2:15 - Good driver with a stock car
2:10 - Getting into modified car territory now and the limit of street tires
2:05 - Pretty fast and you probably have a dozen events that you have gone to... The car probably has R comp tires and some significant mods
2:00 - About as fast as it gets for street cars on non-corporate budgets
Under 2:00 - Congrats!
1:48 - Record held by JIC S15

My goal was to hit 2:15 but I just didn't have enough track time...

Here are my friends cars... Their mods... and what they ran...

Daryl's S2000

- KW Variant 3 suspension
- Nitto NT01 255-40-17 R Comp tires all around
- Custom exhaust
- Stock engine
- Voltex wing

2:08 (car ran 1:59 with Rob driving it... Daryl's best time is 2:06 last event)

http://nitinj.com/Images/240SX2/Buttonwillow%20092807/2DSC01397.JPG

Mike's S2000

- KW Variant 3 suspension
- Bridgestone RE01-R 245-40-17 tires all around
- Stock engine and exhaust

2:13

http://nitinj.com/Images/240SX2/Buttonwillow%20092807/2DSC01391.JPG

Ken's S2000

- KW Variant 3 suspension
- R Comp tires
- Intake and exhaust
- Voltex wing

2:10

http://nitinj.com/Images/240SX2/Buttonwillow%20092807/2DSC01381.JPG

Ken's friend's 350Z

2:30

http://nitinj.com/Images/240SX2/Buttonwillow%20092807/2DSC01405.JPG

Nasif's Civic Si

- Tein suspension
- Advan A048 R Comp tires

2:15

http://nitinj.com/Images/240SX2/Buttonwillow%20092807/2DSC01378.JPG

But he ended up getting into an accident with a Miata that tried to pass on a turn... Sucks but the car is at the bodyshop getting repaired right now...

http://nitinj.com/Images/240SX2/Buttonwillow%20092807/2DSC01409.JPG

Tim's S2000

- Tein SRC suspension
- R Comp tires
- Voltex wing

1:58 (that's fast!)

http://nitinj.com/Images/240SX2/Buttonwillow%20092807/2DSC01403.JPG

Evasive EVO IX

- Too much to list... Just pick up the new Super Street...

Mike (the owner) was just having fun with it but it's ran 1:55

http://nitinj.com/Images/240SX2/Buttonwillow%20092807/2DSC01383.JPG

http://nitinj.com/Images/240SX2/Buttonwillow%20092807/2DSC01385.JPG

http://nitinj.com/Images/240SX2/Buttonwillow%20092807/2DSC01388.JPG

Nick's S2000

- Tein springs
- eBay wing
- NSX wheels with bald Nitto Invo tires

2:08 (he's a good driver)

http://nitinj.com/Images/240SX2/Buttonwillow%20092807/2DSC01407.JPG

Kel's S2000

- Moton Clubsports suspension
- R Comp tires
- Voltex wing

2:01

http://nitinj.com/Images/240SX2/Buttonwillow%20092807/2DSC01401.JPG

So as you can see these S2000 guys are pretty quick... Outside of our area were people running in the 2:20-2:30 range... There were no S13s or S14s there other than me...

Here are a couple more pics...

Lined up and waiting to go...

http://nitinj.com/Images/240SX2/Buttonwillow%20092807/2DSC01429.JPG

My little area...

http://nitinj.com/Images/240SX2/Buttonwillow%20092807/2DSC01421.JPG

http://nitinj.com/Images/240SX2/Buttonwillow%20092807/2DSC01412.JPG

UHaul trailers are the best... seriously...

Low ramps so no need for blocks and straps are attached to the trailer and easy to strap up... Literally only takes 2 minutes to load the car...

Cost was $54 for 24 hours

http://nitinj.com/Images/240SX2/Buttonwillow%20092807/2DSC01422.JPG

And there was a group of Radicals there... Those things defy physics out there...

http://nitinj.com/Images/240SX2/Buttonwillow%20092807/2DSC01424.JPG

I've got some videos that I'll link up here soon...

And if you haven't taken your car to the track yet, do it!... It's a lot of fun!...

[kandyflip445]

OMG. I was crying I was laughing so hard. Why did you have to post the pictures to where all the nice cars that are expensive are in garages first and the cheaper s13 is outside all alone kinda like no one cares about it. LOL

[deucen]

Oh man I love this track. My fastest time in that configuration was a 2:13 with a relatively stock STI (245/40/17 RE01-R and race pads). I want to see what my 240 can do now.

I also saw that Tim finally broke into the 1:5X times. Congrats to him.

[all stock]

hey, i was out there on sunday, when they had the radical race. only the viper comp coupe was playing out there with them in advanced group.

any plans to cage it and perhaps w2w compete?

[steve shadows]

OMG. I was crying I was laughing so hard. Why did you have to post the pictures to where all the nice cars that are expensive are in garages first and the cheaper s13 is outside all alone kinda like no one cares about it. LOL

its funny but the cheap stock engine s13 is as fast as those crappy s2000s' god I hate s2000s, I think EK9s are faster in principle haha

maybe its the stock motors, maybe after 10k into the k24 its awesome.

I drove a stock one and it felt like a KA with no torque and a higher redline.

im like "wheres the power?"

are you fucking kidding.

If the 350Z power plant was in an s2000, I would own one.

[ilovecoupes]

awesome!!!!!!! damn only 54 for the whole day thats amazing. i WISH i could do that somewhere around here. someone tell me where to do this around NJ and PA...


2:22 doesnt sound too bad looking at all the other times, but we all know you can do better

[Nikeboy355]

I randomly found a video of Daryl being chased and passed by a Radical...
His car is the first car that comes up... Black S2000....

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hOC3armvoV8

And for those who haven't been to the track... This is how fast it feels... and is!...

[Nikeboy355]

any plans to cage it and perhaps w2w compete?
Definitely going to cage it up as soon as possible...

And yeah I'd like to try w2w but probably with another chassis... This chassis is just going to be an experiment in track car building and then I'd like to dedicate and build a chassis for a class...

I would like to try time attack next year... I'm thinking it will take about a year to learn the car and become a decent driver...

[Tops*]

Daryl's S2000

- KW Variant 3 suspension
- Nitto NT01 255-40-17 R Comp tires all around
- Custom exhaust
- Stock engine
- Voltex wing

2:08 (car ran 1:59 with Rob driving it... Daryl's best time is 2:06 last event)


So Rob shaved off 7 seconds in the same S2000? That's pretty ridiculous.

I can't wait to take my car to the track next year. I know, next year, sucks.

AWESOME!

[JohnJohn86]

NICE!
I saw that Civic on Arcadia before!
I am going to the HTM next weekend with Speedventures, are u going to be there?

[kandyflip445]

its funny but the cheap stock engine s13 is as fast as those crappy s2000s' god I hate s2000s, I think EK9s are faster in principle haha

maybe its the stock motors, maybe after 10k into the k24 its awesome.

I drove a stock one and it felt like a KA with no torque and a higher redline.

im like "wheres the power?"

are you fucking kidding.

If the 350Z power plant was in an s2000, I would own one.

It was more funny cause of the little area he had. lol :Ownedd:

[steve shadows]

http://nitinj.com/Images/240SX2/Buttonwillow%20092807/2DSC01421.JPG

oh this when all the hondas had bays haha

reminds me of the american history x scene where edward norton says "see waht this means, it means your not welcome here"

[Nikeboy355]

Garages cost $150 to rent and really not that necessary unless you need power or a level ground to work on...

A couple of the S2000s are running G2X GPS software and were analyzing their data between runs...

My little area was initially for taking a nap but that is impossible right next to a straightaway!...

[kandyflip445]

Garages cost $150 to rent and really not that necessary unless you need power or a level ground to work on...

A couple of the S2000s are running G2X GPS software and were analyzing their data between runs...

My little area was initially for taking a nap but that is impossible right next to a straightaway!...

HAHA. That makes it even better!!!! I pictured you in like an anime and the pictures go from garage to garage and then your area, then it pans to you and you that that like omg look on your face with the one big bead of sweat coming out and little squigly lines behind your head. HAHAHA. :keke:

[LongGrain]

its funny but the cheap stock engine s13 is as fast as those crappy s2000s' god I hate s2000s, I think EK9s are faster in principle haha

maybe its the stock motors, maybe after 10k into the k24 its awesome.

I drove a stock one and it felt like a KA with no torque and a higher redline.

im like "wheres the power?"

are you fucking kidding.

If the 350Z power plant was in an s2000, I would own one.

s2000's dont have k series motors...

i hope that guy with the civic that crashed didnt fuck up his front end, he's gonna have a hard time finding another jdm conversion.

great pics. looks like everone had a good time :bigok:

[D1GP]

makes me want to get variant 3s even more lol. goddamn richass s2k owners.

[Antihero983]

man i wish i lived near there....

.....oh well! autoX at Devens this weekend, last race of the season and its time to start buying up mods while the car sits all winter.......

any other vids?

[kandyflip445]

s2000's dont have k series motors...

i hope that guy with the civic that crashed didnt fuck up his front end, he's gonna have a hard time finding another jdm conversion.

great pics. looks like everone had a good time :bigok:

Probably sarcasm..... lol

[hybrid_eg]

Nikeboy, tks for sharing the alignment specs.. i'm runnig a very similar set up to your and about to get my alignment finally done after ripping it all out of complete ES master kit i'm sure you went through the same thing, lol.. you know chang? we go waaaay back in the day.. i havent had time to stop by the shop in like forever but i'll try sometime this month, but yes that EVO is pretty nasty :-)

[steve shadows]

s2000's dont have k series motors...

:

shows you how much I care

[jeeper_x]

s2000's dont have k series motors...


:tweak: ....yeap, f20c or f22c1?

[Daryl]

So Rob shaved off 7 seconds in the same S2000? That's pretty ridiculous.

I can't wait to take my car to the track next year. I know, next year, sucks.

AWESOME!
Yeahh, I suck LOL! Tim actually ran 1:58.9 and Evasive's Evo IX ran 1:55.6. Rob did 1:59.4 in his personal car and 1:59.8 in my car. I was actually quicker with my non-staggered setup (2:06.3). I believe all the times above had passengers in them too.
Nov. 4th should be on par as I finally got the suspension "more" dialed in but my suspension is really limiting me to what I could do with consistancy. One mess up and loose a lot of time. I'm not much in a rush to upgrade my suspension as my driving needs practice as well.

[Nikeboy355]

Here is a video of the takeoff and you can here me just about everywhere on the course... Video isn't the best but I was working with an amateur crew...

Right Click and Save - 122MB

Car takes off at :45
On the back portion of the track at 2:00-2:30
Straightaway at 3:20 (cover your ears)

http://nitinj.com/Images/240SX2/Buttonwillow%20Takeoff.MPG

and this is what it looks like at the track... Just a spin around where we were pitted...

Right Click and Save - 10MB

http://nitinj.com/Images/240SX2/Buttonwillow%20spin.MPG

[all stock]

91 integra H4 Honda Challenge car runs a 2 flat CW. 2550lb, 140whp, just to give you some ideas of car/driver potential.

[Nikeboy355]

2 minutes is very fast... That's my goal for next year...

Right now I just want to hit 2:10...

I think it was JRho who said that racing is 60% driver, 30% tires, and 10% car... And there are a handful of guys who run amazing times with basic mods that prove it...

[stinky_180]

hey just curious, what did you remove exactly in order to achieve a 2450lb (thats without driver right?)?

[nevaland9]

nice, keep up the good work. practice makes up for power

[steve shadows]

hey just curious, what did you remove exactly in order to achieve a 2450lb (thats without driver right?)?

his lower torso.

[steve shadows]

I think it was JRho who said that racing is 60% driver, 30% tires, and 10% car... And there are a handful of guys who run amazing times with basic mods that prove it...


whats the next date?

Im a bad driver and have shitty tires but my car is fast ;)

I was thinking NOV10? are you guys goin up?


or was I mis lead

[Nikeboy355]

hey just curious, what did you remove exactly in order to achieve a 2450lb (thats without driver right?)?
2420 lbs. without driver and with 3/4 tank of gas...

I pulled out the entire interior except wiring, stock front seatbelts, dashboard, center console, door panels, and the driver seat...
Other than that the car doesn't have A/C but everything else is just stock...

I'm going to pull off all the sound deadoning, change to bucket seats with harnesses in the near future and let you guys know what it comes out to...

In the next couple of months the car will get a cage and I'd like to reduce some of the weight on the front of the car with some carbon fiber body panels...

2340 lbs. is the weight of the car minus the gas right now... Assuming 10 gallons and that a gallon weighs 8 lbs. ...

[Nikeboy355]

whats the next date?

Im a bad driver and have shitty tires but my car is fast ;)

I was thinking NOV10? are you guys goin up?


or was I mis lead
Next event is Sunday, 11/4, with SpeedVentures...

My deal with Buttonwillow is that I only want to go to 13 Clockwise configuration events since that is what is used in Time Attack competition... There are only a handful (5ish) of events a year that are in that config so I want to get as much practice as possible...

Next year I'd like to compete in the street car class (street tires, stock fenders, unlimited engine) and need to shave 15 seconds off my current time... Here are the results from the last Redline Time Attack at Buttonwillow:

1. Tim - S2000 - 2:02 (running the identical tire setup I am)
2. Salah - 300ZX - 2:05
3. Manly - Elise - 2:06

The modified class is running about 10 seconds faster than street...

Cost of the event is $190 + $20 for timing... Don't go without timing...
I go the night before (2.5 hour drive from LA/OC area) and spend the night at a motel... Cost is between $30 and $60 and we split it up amongst us so it comes out cheap...
The next morning we have breakfast at 7AM and we at the track after that...

11/4 is the day... Let me know if you want to drive up together...

http://www.speedventures.com/events/eventdetail.aspx?id=152

Total cost of the event:

$190 - Event (lunch included)
$20 - Timing
$30 - Motel room
$50-100 - Gas to get there and back...
$30 - Gas while on the track (there is a gas station and tire changing shop at the track)
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$320-$370 - Total... plus food ofcourse...

[steve shadows]

Ill try to come man looks like fun!!!

can't guarentee, I might trade it off for Willow instead.

I need to check what they have going on up there.

[stinky_180]

2420 lbs. without driver and with 3/4 tank of gas...

I pulled out the entire interior except wiring, stock front seatbelts, dashboard, center console, door panels, and the driver seat...
Other than that the car doesn't have A/C but everything else is just stock...


thats quite interesting, being that the stock weight is close to around 2700lbs. did you remove the a/c stuff that is under the dash? what about the engine bay a/c stuff, is that removed?

[uhtjoogoorih]

tim's actually running the tein SRC's instead of the KW variants.

[Nikeboy355]

Oops... Yeah, you are right...

It was just too easy to cut and paste "KW" a bunch of times...

[Nikeboy355]

thats quite interesting, being that the stock weight is close to around 2700lbs. did you remove the a/c stuff that is under the dash? what about the engine bay a/c stuff, is that removed?
All of the stuff under the dash was taken out...

[Nikeboy355]

I posted in "Motorsports" about the next event I'm going to...

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=161623

and then after that I'll be going to Streets of Willow Springs on December 9th...

If you've got an S-chassis... Bring it out!...