Nissan GT-R will be priced from around $68,000

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We chuckled as we saw the official image that accompanied today's press release from Nissan about its upcoming GT-R. It's a high-res studio-looking shot of the GT-R wearing the same covering we've seen so many times in spy shots. In fact, the GT-R has already been spotted on the Nurburgring wearing no covering at all (http://www.autoblog.com/2007/09/25/but-wait-theres-more-nissan-gt-r-at-the-ring-gunning-for-th/), just unpainted panels that poorly hide its front clip.

Regardless, Nissan also released new information about the GT-R, including its base price, which will be around 7.8 million yen, or $68,000 USD. Now conversions from other currencies can hardly be trusted, but we think the Corvette start worrying now.

We've also learned officially something we already knew, which is that the word "Skyline" has officially been dropped from the GT-R's name in every market in which it will be sold. Surprisingly, this includes Japan, where the Skyline name has a lot of history.

Finally, Nissan revealed that it's setting up 160 Nissan High Performance Centers in Japan that will provide sales and support for the GT-R.

According to the downloadable countdown clock on the GT-R's official website (http://www.gtrnissan.com/), only 27.5 more days to go until the car's officially unveiled at the Tokyo Motor Show in Japan.

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[azndoc]

Wow $68,000.

Awesome

If it was $70,000 I couldn't be able to afford it.


*sarcasm*

[drift freaq]

lol^^^^^ Jack^^^^^ ya but at that price its still a relative bargain though it should make the Z car market pretty interesting.

[GoldenLeg]

I wonder what prompted them to drop the "Skyline" name tag:wtf:

[drift freaq]

I wonder what prompted them to drop the "Skyline" name tag:wtf:

Well this was actually a publicized fact that came out about 2-3 years ago when Nissan actually announced they were going to be another GTR. Basically they wanted to make it a world car. In that sense, The Skyline moniker while true was a Japan and certain parts of the United kingdom and a few places in Asia car to begin with. On top of that the Skyline originally and always were a luxury sports vehicle and not a full bore super car. The GTR was first conceived to take the Skyline racing in the 70's. In the 80's the GTR moniker pretty much went bye bye. It was brought back in the 90's with the advent of the R32.R33 and R34. It was then that the GTR really rose up to Super Car Status because the R32 ones were the first of the AWD GTR's.

Now Nissan has decided that being a Super Car it deserved its own designation seperate from the Skyline itself. Hence the decision to just call it the GTR. Everyone that really knows about the older cars i.e. the people who would even want the new one or could afford to purchase it, already know what the GTR is . There is almost no need for Nissan to have to explain it anyone.

Plus when it comes out and romps ass on cars cost close to three times it well it won't really matter. It will be another legendary Nissan. Time will tell, time will tell.

[GoldenLeg]

Well this was actually a publicized fact that came out about 2-3 years ago when Nissan actually announced they were going to be another GTR. Basically they wanted to make it a world car. In that sense, The Skyline moniker while true was a Japan and certain parts of the United kingdom and a few places in Asia car to begin with. On top of that the Skyline originally and always were a luxury sports vehicle and not a full bore super car. The GTR was first conceived to take the Skyline racing in the 70's. In the 80's the GTR moniker pretty much went bye bye. It was brought back in the 90's with the advent of the R32.R33 and R34. It was then that the GTR really rose up to Super Car Status because the R32 ones were the first of the AWD GTR's.

Now Nissan has decided that being a Super Car it deserved its own designation seperate from the Skyline itself. Hence the decision to just call it the GTR. Everyone that really knows about the older cars i.e. the people who would even want the new one or could afford to purchase it, already know what the GTR is . There is almost no need for Nissan to have to explain it anyone.

Plus when it comes out and romps ass on cars cost close to three times it well it won't really matter. It will be another legendary Nissan. Time will tell, time will tell.

Wow. Thanks for the explanation. Now I feel as if that was a dumb question:o . You learn something new everyday I guess.

[mayco_86]

Good explanation drift freaq.

[0100]

Overpriced...

[drift freaq]

Overpriced...

your on drugs

[jeeper_x]

Overpriced...

nahhhhh, i don't think it's overpriced....do u know wat is overpriced?....a friggin' $80k NSX!

[silviatunersr20]

I dont know if this is true or not but I went to the nissan dealership in asheboro NC and ask if they had any info on the GT-R and as soon as I asked that the guy in parts face lit up like a little kid at a fair. He slung the computer moniter around and showed me a butt load of pics but I dont know if that was nissan stuff of spy shots he got off the net but the one thing he said that stood out to me was that there was only gonna be 1250 give or take for sale on the u.s market and there is something like 1500 nissan dealerships in the u.s. But like I said thats just what he said and I dont have any hard proof that what he said was real. Oh and he said the price would be around 75k depending on the model and a fully loaded top of the line would be in the low 80's???

[GoldenLeg]

but the one thing he said that stood out to me was that there was only gonna be 1250 give or take for sale on the u.s market and there is something like 1500 nissan dealerships in the u.s.

Cali will probally get about 800 of them:mad: :p

[nassin31spr]

Ill be getting a used one in about 5 years. Just think what the next generation is gonna be able to do with those.

[0100]

your on drugs

yeah so... :bigok:

10k evo IX roller + 58K in mods > overpriced gt-r

You buying a gt-r? If so, when you do pick it up, how about we do a autox, drag, road course battle? Best 2 out of 3 wins. Then we will see who is on drugs.

[drift freaq]

yeah so... :bigok:

10k evo IX roller + 58K in mods > overpriced gt-r

You buying a gt-r? If so, when you do pick it up, how about we do a autox, drag, road course battle? Best 2 out of 3 wins. Then we will see who is on drugs.

I hate to say it but your 10k evo is going to be a pile of shit in comparision in to a GTR. Naw actually I don't hate to say it.
Mitsushitty. Never have liked Mitsu's and they have always been pieces of crap that fall apart its no different with the EVO.

And you admit your on drugs, which means you fail even more.

[0100]

So is this a bet? No I don't do drugs that was a lame joke, but my bet is not.

[ranisron]

Perhaps I can trade in with everything I have to date and get a GTR... hehe...

that is with my SAAB 92x and SAAB 9-5 Aero + the two nissans...

[Gnnr]

The more expensive, the better! I don't want to see one on every street corner like I do Corvettes. :rolleyes:

[0100]

^I will agree with that.

[reflexdb]

0100: You can have your EVO and the 3 hot guys you can pack in back. For 68k, the GTR is a force to be reckoned with, and on a level that a Mitsubishi will never be.

[Wykydtron]

I would like to drive the new GT-R in the 08 Cannonball Run...

[drift freaq]

So is this a bet? No I don't do drugs that was a lame joke, but my bet is not.

I don't bet clueless people. Its not fair to them.

[kouki_s14]

yeah so... :bigok:

10k evo IX roller + 58K in mods > overpriced gt-r

You buying a gt-r? If so, when you do pick it up, how about we do a autox, drag, road course battle? Best 2 out of 3 wins. Then we will see who is on drugs.

Considering the millions Nissan probably put into the car for R&D, you have to be pretty naive to call it an evo 4 with mods, let alone thinking you can beat it on the track. :loco:

[0100]

0100: You can have your EVO and the 3 hot guys you can pack in back. For 68k, the GTR is a force to be reckoned with, and on a level that a Mitsubishi will never be.

Nah you can have the 3 guys, since you seem to be into that. lol who the hell calls guys hot. I guess I will feel that much better when I beat a "force to be reckoned with".

Considering the millions Nissan probably put into the car for R&D, you have to be pretty naive to call it an evo 4 with mods, let alone thinking you can beat it on the track. :loco:

Wow considering I am building this car myself on my own dollar I am going to feel pretty good when I do beat this monster! :keke:

I don't bet clueless people. Its not fair to them.

I am not that clueless. Maybe I am I don't know. :D I have raced formula cars and closed wheel cars in the SCCA for along time and I know what works and what doesn't.

Don't back out of the bet now.

Wow just crazy I call the car overpriced, which it is, and people go mad. I don't think any of you have built a race car before, is the problem. $68k for that pig with that hp is a joke. I know first hand what can be built in that price range. I am not saying I don't love the car because I do, and in 5 years when it's not overpriced I will buy one. I don't buy overpriced cars and that is every new car. All I said was that the car is overpriced, and that for the same (less) money a car can be built to destroy it.

[drift freaq]

Nah you can have the 3 guys, since you seem to be into that. lol who the hell calls guys hot. I guess I will feel that much better when I beat a "force to be reckoned with".



Wow considering I am building this car myself on my own dollar I am going to feel pretty good when I do beat this monster! :keke:



I am not that clueless. Maybe I am I don't know. :D I have raced formula cars and closed wheel cars in the SCCA for along time and I know what works and what doesn't.

Don't back out of the bet now.

Wow just crazy I call the car overpriced, which it is, and people go mad. I don't think any of you have built a race car before, is the problem. $68k for that pig with that hp is a joke. I know first hand what can be built in that price range. I am not saying I don't love the car because I do, and in 5 years when it's not overpriced I will buy one. I don't buy overpriced cars and that is every new car. All I said was that the car is overpriced, and that for the same (less) money a car can be built to destroy it.

You know what, I never bet you in the first place and you really need to check your attitude and yourself here. You don't even know if I was going to buy a GTR anyways. I was commenting on the car and friends were joking about buying it.
For someone who claims to have so much experience you fail in life experience and being able to read jokes and sarcasm.
You also fail in researching the shit your talking about. Your losing here and going down fast. give it up. Unless you want to look like a complete idiot.

[Wykydtron]

I don't bet clueless people. Its not fair to them.

Whats wrong with you? I'll bet against him, someone throw a wet towel at his face to confuse him!

[smellslikecurry]

how are you comparing modded cars with bone stock cars

look at my civic with a 30k dollar jet engine

itll pwn your gtrrrrrrrr muahhhaha


toolbag

[Wykydtron]

how are you comparing modded cars with bone stock cars

look at my civic with a 30k dollar jet engine

itll pwn your gtrrrrrrrr muahhhaha


toolbag

You haven't been watching Best of Motoring, repent your sins! AWD + Torque > Pansy Understeering Straight Line Rice Rockets!

[silviatunersr20]

Im waiting on the Z06 vs GT-R when they get released cause thats gonna be fun. Whats the stats on a GT-R cause the Z06 is 11.5 in the 1/4, 0-60 in 3.7 and weighs 3132 with a top speed of 198 stock. I figured this will be a huge battle over here cause they have about the same price tag. I hate to say it but the new vettes are nice, I test drove one the other day but it was the auto ls2 400hp. The bad is you just cant see crap out the back and the windshield is so narrow. I had to come home and buy a fidanza flywheel for my 240 cause I felt like I cheated on her.

[0100]

You know what, I never bet you in the first place and you really need to check your attitude and yourself here. You don't even know if I was going to buy a GTR anyways. I was commenting on the car and friends were joking about buying it.
For someone who claims to have so much experience you fail in life experience and being able to read jokes and sarcasm.
You also fail in researching the shit your talking about. Your losing here and going down fast. give it up. Unless you want to look like a complete idiot.

I don't know man start from the top and read what I wrote and what you wrote. I didn't have an attitude, if anything I think you did. I didn't say overpriced for no reason. I said it because I ment it. You called me out by saying I was on drugs. So I wrote a reply proving that it is overpriced aka an evo IX can be built to outperform it for less money. Now the only way we can prove this is to have a 2 out of 3 battle like I suggested. It would have been fun not for money or anything. Just for fun. I didn't know you weren't actually buying a gt-r. Why didn't you post that after I asked if you wanted to do the 2 out of 3 battle?

What did I fail in researching? I wrote two things that the gt-r is overpriced and that a roller IX could be built for the same (less) and outperform the gt-r. Both are fact. Any new (econo or super) car is overpriced. The minute you roll it off the lot you loose thousands. That is why I never have and never will buy a new car. You get so much more for your money used and even more if you buy a roller and build. So how do we prove that fact that a roller IX can outperform a new gt-r? Going to have to wait till it comes out I guess, but trust me the gt-r will be 1 sec slower in the 1/4 and even further behind on the road course.

Again don't get me wrong I love this new gt-r just wish it wasn't so heavy. In 4-5 years I hope I find a roller.

[homegaragespl]

i can sense the tension here lol.
im not even going to say anything.

[drift freaq]

I don't know man start from the top and read what I wrote and what you wrote. I didn't have an attitude, if anything I think you did. I didn't say overpriced for no reason. I said it because I ment it. You called me out by saying I was on drugs. So I wrote a reply proving that it is overpriced aka an evo IX can be built to outperform it for less money. Now the only way we can prove this is to have a 2 out of 3 battle like I suggested. It would have been fun not for money or anything. Just for fun. I didn't know you weren't actually buying a gt-r. Why didn't you post that after I asked if you wanted to do the 2 out of 3 battle?

What did I fail in researching? I wrote two things that the gt-r is overpriced and that a roller IX could be built for the same (less) and outperform the gt-r. Both are fact. Any new (econo or super) car is overpriced. The minute you roll it off the lot you loose thousands. That is why I never have and never will buy a new car. You get so much more for your money used and even more if you buy a roller and build. So how do we prove that fact that a roller IX can outperform a new gt-r? Going to have to wait till it comes out I guess, but trust me the gt-r will be 1 sec slower in the 1/4 and even further behind on the road course.

Again don't get me wrong I love this new gt-r just wish it wasn't so heavy. In 4-5 years I hope I find a roller.

1. You popped attitude from the get go. Read your own posts carefully. I made ovbservations about the car. Now when your losing the debate you resort to trying to play the old saw of accusing the opponent of the vary thing you yourself are doing.

2. There is no way you can compare a used10k glorified econobox coming from a company that builds crap and is in very bad financial trouble. To a 68k Super Car that smokes Super cars that cost 3-4 times its asking price.
If you had done your research or bothered to do it and quote you would already know the GTR bested the Porsche GT2 at the ring by a whole second around it. Thats no small feat and there is no way a piece of shit EVO IX is going to touch that. I don't think you did any research.

Your reply had no facts in it and did not prove anything except you had an opinion. If your reply had had actual facts backing up its claim people would not have ripped on you.
Saying you are on drugs is not calling you out. You were acting like you were on drugs so its just a stated opinion. If thats all it takes to call you out you have serious issues.

As far as your bet goes that was in your head not mine. I also replied that I was not interested in the bet as well read my replies again.

I may or may not buy a GTR when it comes out. Though I can gurantee due to the limited production run its not going to drop in value. Until Nissan starts mass producing it it just won't happen. Look no further than the NSX for a classic example it dropped in the first two years but then rocketed in value. Because Honda did not do high production run numbers on the car.
There are other cars in this catagory of not losing value as well and all are limited production vehicles.

You are entitled to your opinion as we all are. Though you don't go state your opinion as a fact with out using real facts to back it up and instead spit random numbers you came up with yourself. If you had said IMO everyone would have dismissed your comments as without knowledge but you tried to tell us all that you were right. You had the attitude not us.

All I did was call bullshit on your bullshit. Sorry, if you think thats attitude or it offends or calls you out.

[trsilvias13]

why dont drift freaq get a roller r32 gtr + however it cost to equal a new evo, and you get a new evo and see who would will 2 out of 3.... same arguement..

An old car + lots of cash will almost always take on new car stock performance.

[exitspeed]

yeah so... :bigok:

10k evo IX roller + 58K in mods > overpriced gt-r

You buying a gt-r? If so, when you do pick it up, how about we do a autox, drag, road course battle? Best 2 out of 3 wins. Then we will see who is on drugs.

I hate this argument. It's so pointless.

[aznpoopy]

I wrote two things that the gt-r is overpriced and that a roller IX could be built for the same (less) and outperform the gt-r. Both are fact. Any new (econo or super) car is overpriced. The minute you roll it off the lot you loose thousands. That is why I never have and never will buy a new car.

this is a 240sx forum. therefore, everyone on the forum knows this already

read between the very large lines and look at the GTR for what it is. compare it to cars that are the same i.e. not modded cars.

[0100]

1. You popped attitude from the get go. Read your own posts carefully. I made ovbservations about the car. Now when your losing the debate you resort to trying to play the old saw of accusing the opponent of the vary thing you yourself are doing.

2. There is no way you can compare a used10k glorified econobox coming from a company that builds crap and is in very bad financial trouble. To a 68k Super Car that smokes Super cars that cost 3-4 times its asking price.
If you had done your research or bothered to do it and quote you would already know the GTR bested the Porsche GT2 at the ring by a whole second around it. Thats no small feat and there is no way a piece of shit EVO IX is going to touch that. I don't think you did any research.

Your reply had no facts in it and did not prove anything except you had an opinion. If your reply had had actual facts backing up its claim people would not have ripped on you.
Saying you are on drugs is not calling you out. You were acting like you were on drugs so its just a stated opinion. If thats all it takes to call you out you have serious issues.

As far as your bet goes that was in your head not mine. I also replied that I was not interested in the bet as well read my replies again.

I may or may not buy a GTR when it comes out. Though I can gurantee due to the limited production run its not going to drop in value. Until Nissan starts mass producing it it just won't happen. Look no further than the NSX for a classic example it dropped in the first two years but then rocketed in value. Because Honda did not do high production run numbers on the car.
There are other cars in this catagory of not losing value as well and all are limited production vehicles.

You are entitled to your opinion as we all are. Though you don't go state your opinion as a fact with out using real facts to back it up and instead spit random numbers you came up with yourself. If you had said IMO everyone would have dismissed your comments as without knowledge but you tried to tell us all that you were right. You had the attitude not us.

All I did was call bullshit on your bullshit. Sorry, if you think thats attitude or it offends or calls you out.

Point out when I popped an attitude. Seriously I don't see it. I also can't even believe you are playing this "attitude" card on zilvia. This is fucking zilvia. Man the fuck up! It's a discussion, so counter the argument with something relevant, not I don't want to play anymore this guys has an attitude. Don't confuse someone having a different opinion with attitude.

Now when your losing the debate you resort to trying to play the old saw of accusing the opponent of the vary thing you yourself are doing.

What? I want you to quote me where I am doing this. You are starting to fabricate shit now.

You are entitled to your opinion as we all are. Though you don't go state your opinion as a fact with out using real facts to back it up and instead spit random numbers you came up with yourself. If you had said IMO everyone would have dismissed your comments as without knowledge but you tried to tell us all that you were right. You had the attitude not us.

I wrote this.

So how do we prove that fact that a roller IX can outperform a new gt-r? Going to have to wait till it comes out I guess, but trust me the gt-r will be 1 sec slower in the 1/4 and even further behind on the road course.

I don't know man that looks pretty IMO to me. My car and the gt-r are both not on the street yet so of course we don't have cold hard data yet. All we can do is take an educational guess. I told you my guess which is off of similar built evo's and what they run at the strip and road course and what the zo6 and 997tt runs.

All I did was call bullshit on your bullshit. Sorry, if you think thats attitude or it offends or calls you out.
Dude I love this car discussion stuff, don't be sorry, that is what a debate is. If we both had the same opinion it would be gay.

I may or may not buy a GTR when it comes out. Though I can gurantee due to the limited production run its not going to drop in value. Until Nissan starts mass producing it it just won't happen. Look no further than the NSX for a classic example it dropped in the first two years but then rocketed in value. Because Honda did not do high production run numbers on the car.
There are other cars in this catagory of not losing value as well and all are limited production vehicles.

Ok finally something... I agree with you, but I think that is also going to cause it to go for more than $68k at the stealerships. We will have to see, this car excites me a lot I hope it doesn't disappoint. All I know is Porsche is some pissed off germans right now. :keke:

why dont drift freaq get a roller r32 gtr + however it cost to equal a new evo, and you get a new evo and see who would will 2 out of 3.... same arguement..

An old car + lots of cash will almost always take on new car stock performance.

^Someone who agrees with my logic. :bigok:

The above r32 vs new evo goes against my logic though. The new evo in my mind is overpriced. My logic is a r32 roller + however much it cost to equal a new evo, gt-r, 997tt, lambo whatever will outperform it in every way.

I would have looked for an r34 to build but they don't come in lhd and I would suck ass at driving one.

Just as long as you start with a good chassis, skyline, evo, fd, 911, etc.

I hate this argument. It's so pointless.

Why is it pointless? Very confused... No I am serious tell me why it is pointless. A car is a car and money is money. We are talking about a car that can do x, y , and z better for the same (less) money. If you can make a faster, better handling car cheaper, then why go with a new car.

Don't just say pointless and not back it up. That's like me just saying overpriced. Except I backup my opinion and drift thanks I have an attitude. God forbid I want to settle this in the real world instead of behind a keyboard. Me I actually want to read your attitude, sorry I mean opinion.

Is it because we are talking about a 2006 tubo AWD that can hold a family vs a 2008 turbo AWD that is a 2 seater? Don't even try to tell me the gt-r can hold 4 people. It has a 911 backseat from what I read.

What about a used 996tt or c6 zo6? These can be had for 58k if you hunt. That gives you 10k extra to play with. To use in mods, travel or hookers. I don't know about you but I would take the 996 and hookers. Although I don't think you would have to pay for a slut with that car. :D

[SimpleS14]

I wouldn't compare a Z06 to the GT-R IMO....I <3 both cars, but I think the Z06 is in a different league vs. the GT-R (hp/chassis/drivetrain layout).

I can't wait to see the Corvette ZR1!!!

[Taniguchi_Is_#1]

ah.... the age old: why buy a new car when you can make a toaster run 3's for the same money. why? because we don't want toasters. that's why this argument is pointless. and off-topic, beyond that.

[0100]

fd toaster :(

[drift freaq]

Ok this is it 0100 you have been popping attitude with your very idea of making a 10k car with a bunch of upgrades beat a brand new almost 500hp supercar that pretty much kicks ass from all the reports on it. Now if you can't see that your lost.
Second off you started this shit not I. Your ego will not let you back down either. As far as manning up goes. I have never backed down and have been winning this debate with actual points and facts. You have done nothing but through pure speculation out based on what you think. No facts .
Do not put words in my mouth, No where in this debate did I back down and your comment about me not wanting to play anymore is pure bullshit on your part and pretty much par for the course with you.
I have not fabricated anything, just pointed out what your doing. Though the fact that you said I too was starting to fabricate shit, pretty much means you admit your full of shit and that your off base. You lose, game over.
Now instead of conceding you have lost the debate you start trying to throw other cars into the mix.
Fact is your ego for your car pretty much made you mouth off in this thread when we were discussing the GTR . Thats Attitude any way you look at it and you have lost.
End of discussion.

P.S. in wishing to keep this thread from going any more off topic I am done here. I proved my points I have nothing more to say on this subject.

[silviatunersr20]

Ok lets take an intermission and learn something...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OebtcCGSg1U

[0100]

^Already knew that gt-r info, but the new F1 I did not know about. Nice!


Ok this is it 0100 you have been popping attitude with your very idea of making a 10k car with a bunch of upgrades beat a brand new almost 500hp supercar that pretty much kicks ass from all the reports on it. Now if you can't see that your lost.

Still playing the attitude card, what is that the third time you posted this. lol why does that even matter? Let's make it easy. I have an attitude, now I don't have to read another gay post from you whining about my attitude.


Second off you started this shit not I. Your ego will not let you back down either. As far as manning up goes. I have never backed down and have been winning this debate with actual points and facts.

I started a debate on price, yeah and guess what the title of this thread is. Why am I going to back down, we are still debating. The man up was in reference to you bitching about someones "attitude" on zilvia. That is just laughable.


You have done nothing but through pure speculation out based on what you think. No facts .

I already said I was basing this on an educational guess. Both cars are not on the road yet. I can only go by my past track experiences, builds and similar built cars. What facts have you posted?


I have not fabricated anything, just pointed out what your doing. Though the fact that you said I too was starting to fabricate shit, pretty much means you admit your full of shit and that your off base. You lose, game over.

You stated this:

Now when your losing the debate you resort to trying to play the old saw of accusing the opponent of the vary thing you yourself are doing.

That my man is fabrication, and you have yet to quote me where I did this.


Now instead of conceding you have lost the debate you start trying to throw other cars into the mix.

Do you know how to read? Seriously, I am really starting to wonder. I was responding to trsilvias13 comment "An old car + lots of cash will almost always take on a new car stock performance." I agreed with this and posted any good chassis can be built into a great car aka skyline, evo, fd, 911, etc.

Then I brought up the 996tt and zo6 in regards to exitspeeds post. Also brought up the 996tt and zo6 as they are in similar performance and price to the new gt-r. Need to compare the car to something and not just the 997tt.


Fact is your ego for your car pretty much made you mouth off in this thread when we were discussing the GTR . Thats Attitude any way you look at it and you have lost.
End of discussion.

Yup I have an ego and a hard on for my car. Now please no more bitching about my ego. I know lot's of cars that will destroy my built evo, but a stock $68k gt-r I can guarantee will not be one of them.


P.S. in wishing to keep this thread from going any more off topic I am done here. I proved my points I have nothing more to say on this subject.

You have not proven shit. Will the gt-r do low 10's? BTW I am developing my car for the mountain and road course not the 1/4, so if the gt-r can't beat the evo in the 1/4 IMO :D I don't think it will have a chance in hell in any other battle.

[bamaboy]

I love how people all the time point out that they can take and old ass car and build it to beat a new car. No shit, but you are still left driving a shit box that isn't worth anything and the GTr owner would be driving something new, nice, with a warranty, and it would be worth something even though it has depreciated considerably. This argument can be said about any old ass car.

[trsilvias13]

FYI ..I agree more with drift freaq than 0100..

The GTR is what it is and it just a great car.. I want to see # and how it does in real life.

[iampachino]

GTR will probably only increase in value after five years or so. Any cant we all just get along:bigok:

[0100]

I love how people all the time point out that they can take and old ass car and build it to beat a new car. No shit, but you are still left driving a shit box that isn't worth anything and the GTr owner would be driving something new, nice, with a warranty, and it would be worth something even though it has depreciated considerably. This argument can be said about any old ass car.

I still can't believe you guys think a 911, evo, fd, skyline are "shit boxes", "glorified econoboxes", and "toasters". The CT9A (evo) chassis is amazing. Mitsubishi has been developing the evo since 92 to compete in the WRC. They have put a lot of r&d into it. Just because they and subaru came up with the bright idea to still make money on what would have been a low production chassis by sell it with crap parts as a lancer and impreza. Just like what nissan does with the skyline. You can't compare a lancer and evo not even close in any way. Have you ever taken an evo apart. The VIII/IX is amazing. All 10 suspension arms are forged aluminum. Not a fan of the brembo brakes but that is an easy 20min upgrade. The 4g63 can handle 500hp and built 1000hp.

I really don't get it... you call an 06 an "old ass car". So an 06 zo6 is an "old ass car".

Let's say a stock gt-r can run similar lap times as a "old ass" stock c6 z06. This is as close as I can get to real life numbers for the gt-r.

Stock c6 Zo6 does 1m 05 sec lap times at lime rock park
Semi built evo VIII does 57sec lap times at lime rock park <That is no mivec and less built then my proposal.

57sec evo video> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhD9ozlf9Xk

That was a GT3 cup car it went by...

I can post evo's doing 8's in the 1/4 but that is gay. I hate the 1/4.

GTR will probably only increase in value after five years or so. Any cant we all just get along:bigok:

I wouldn't count on it, but who knows. Do you know what a new zo6 went for when it came out and what you can get one for today? There is a reason why 99% of car collectors who are in it for investment don't own new cars. We are getting along I just have a very different opinion on the entire car market.

[Taniguchi_Is_#1]

what we're saying is that in 5 years when you can get an 2008 gt-r for 40K, you'll still be sitting here saying: blah. forget the 2013 gt-r. the old gt-r with a big turbo can make more power and go faster for less money.

it doesn't end. the argument, while valid, is like comparing a new apple to a half eaten and reconstructed apple. whatever floats your boat.

[0100]

what we're saying is that in 5 years when you can get an 2008 gt-r for 40K, you'll still be sitting here saying: blah. forget the 2013 gt-r. the old gt-r with a big turbo can make more power and go faster for less money.

it doesn't end. the argument, while valid, is like comparing a new apple to a half eaten and reconstructed apple. whatever floats your boat.

I agree, yes it will never end. Manufactures will continue to come out with new cars which will be driven in the real world. Unlike the car magazines who only compare it to same model years. I already can see the 08 997 vs 08 gt-r vs 08 zo6 on the cover of every car mag. Real life is a total different ball game. You have to deal with new, old, and fully built apples. Why just compare new apples? It's not real life. Especially when fully built apples are cheaper. What floats my boat is being honest with my dollar. Before I drop big money into a car I am going to make sure I am getting the best bang for the buck. I know before I decided to go the route I did, I was looking at used 996tt's, zo6's, 930's, built e36 with ls7, built fd with ls7, new gt-r, new m3, and built evo. I came to my decision after crunching cost numbers, time slips, lap times and looking at tons of articles on these used and future cars. In the real world I feel the new m3 and gt-r are overpriced performance wise in the current market. 996tt very expensive to fix so it got overpriced, but it's not too bad and looks like sex. A used zo6 I think is well priced but only a 2 seater so it was a no go for me. fd 2 seater so no go. I really kinda wish I went with building an e36 m3 with ls7, as I could have done it even cheaper and faster than the evo, but it's not awd. Never had an awd car before so went the evo route.

What cars would you compare the gt-r to if you had $68k to drop?

[fliprayzin240sx]

Jeez, why dont we just lock you two in a room and give each one of you a torque wrench for weapons? Who ever walks out wins...

[majuljo]

wow that was fun to read!!! i think this is just a battle of opinion. there is no right or wrong. IMO i can see both sides. it would be cool to build a used car up and romp on cars that i personally couldn't afford, but then how cool would it be to roll up in the new GT-R bone stock capable of 500hp and having the nice warranty and nice new interior and all that stuff. its all a matter of opinion and if this bet ever happens i would love to see it!!

[osiriskidd]

wow that was fun to read!!! i think this is just a battle of opinion. there is no right or wrong. IMO i can see both sides. it would be cool to build a used car up and romp on cars that i personally couldn't afford, but then how cool would it be to roll up in the new GT-R bone stock capable of 500hp and having the nice warranty and nice new interior and all that stuff. its all a matter of opinion and if this bet ever happens i would love to see it!!

different folks different strokes man. some like classic cars and will build one to run beautifully. some like beatiful new cars because they're fans of the car's legacy.

same reason i would buy a modded 240 instead of a beater 240 and building it. all the works done and i can just enjoy it.

however, i do agree that buying the car straight outta the dealership is a tad ovedoing it. cause they price will drop dramatically after a couple months.

[Yuri]

What cars would you compare the gt-r to if you had $68k to drop?

Probably nothing new, I bought a new Evo, and traded it in a 10-year old Jag.
There's a lot of cool stuff to be had on the market.
I wouldn't mind a new 135i when they come out, but then for the same price, you can get an E46 M3...
I could afford a new GTR when they drop, but the automatic turns me off.
Plus I wouldn't want to spend more than $50k on a new car.

But if I had $68k, here are my 3 alternative choices, found by a quick search on auto trader.

So, GTR.... or Ferrari F355? Guess which one will be the lady magnet?
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x158/DKapt/FerrariF355.jpg

GTR.... or Lotus Elise and E46 M3?
Because sometimes having just one badass car isn't enough.
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x158/DKapt/LotusElise.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x158/DKapt/BMWM3.jpg

And finally, my favorite, GTR... or fleet of semi exotics, including an S4 for getting the groceries, and $5k left over.
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x158/DKapt/Porsche944cabrio.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x158/DKapt/BMW840ci.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x158/DKapt/XK8.jpg
http://i180.photobucket.com/albums/x158/DKapt/AudiS4.jpg

A GTR is cool, and wickedly fast, but so was the Evo when it first came out.
In 5 years, you'll just have a used nissan, that's probably obsolete at that point, whereas Ferraris, Lotus, etc., are still cool, even used...

[tacotacotaco]

68k id buy a 240 fix it up a lil then travel the world. If you need a hot car to pick up a hot girl is just like playing with a different handicap .Of course easy cheap pookangkang you get with the help from a car just means you can runaway quicker when your done.

On another note if i was a highend tuning shop spitting one of these out in a full race trim would probably note you quick into the emerging market group which if your doin right would net profits in the future or just of the start noteriety. Thats the only way id buy one right off the bat.

[kouki_s14]

I still can't believe you guys think a 911, evo, fd, skyline are "shit boxes", "glorified econoboxes", and "toasters". The CT9A (evo) chassis is amazing. Mitsubishi has been developing the evo since 92 to compete in the WRC. They have put a lot of r&d into it. Just because they and subaru came up with the bright idea to still make money on what would have been a low production chassis by sell it with crap parts as a lancer and impreza. Just like what nissan does with the skyline. You can't compare a lancer and evo not even close in any way. Have you ever taken an evo apart. The VIII/IX is amazing. All 10 suspension arms are forged aluminum. Not a fan of the brembo brakes but that is an easy 20min upgrade. The 4g63 can handle 500hp and built 1000hp.

I really don't get it... you call an 06 an "old ass car". So an 06 zo6 is an "old ass car".

Let's say a stock gt-r can run similar lap times as a "old ass" stock c6 z06. This is as close as I can get to real life numbers for the gt-r.

Stock c6 Zo6 does 1m 05 sec lap times at lime rock park
Semi built evo VIII does 57sec lap times at lime rock park <That is no mivec and less built then my proposal.



Dam what is with you and the evos, isnt this a 240 forum?

Anyway, the point most people are making is that, do you really want to drive a fully caged car with spring rates reaching double digits, maybe no interior, an exhaust that will give you a headach, a clutch pedal that will make your left leg unproportional to your right, unbelievably loud road noise(considering interior is stripped with no sound deadening), a motor that runs so stupidly hot that you cant use your A/C(maybe some moderately warm days u can, but try a 110-120 degrees days), etc. The list goes on, not to mention all your mods are probably not street legal.

You pay the 68k for a car that can run on the track pretty dam well AND afterwards you can drive it home playing music with A/C on full blast LEGALLY. It wont break your back since the suspension isnt Zeal SuperFunctions. It's a daily driver, sure you can build an older car to beat it on that track, but why? I would be happy to drive a car to a track and drive it home, none of that towing crap. You're missing the whole point of the GTR, it's not meant to be a pure track beast. It has to have a balance of a street and track monster. That is what people will pay $68k for. IMO lol

[exitspeed]

I like Yuri's thought process. Whenever I day dream about winning the lottery I always think about what cars I'd buy. Yea I'd have a handful of exotics, but the majority of my cars would be cars that I just like, that are maybe rare or just a personal favorite car.

And for the record, I would take a new GTR over a 10 second Evo any day. And believe it or not the Evo has always been one of my favorite cars. Evo 6's are my fav.

[0100]

Dam what is with you and the evos, isnt this a 240 forum?

Anyway, the point most people are making is that, do you really want to drive a fully caged car with spring rates reaching double digits, maybe no interior, an exhaust that will give you a headach, a clutch pedal that will make your left leg unproportional to your right, unbelievably loud road noise(considering interior is stripped with no sound deadening), a motor that runs so stupidly hot that you cant use your A/C(maybe some moderately warm days u can, but try a 110-120 degrees days), etc. The list goes on, not to mention all your mods are probably not street legal.

You pay the 68k for a car that can run on the track pretty dam well AND afterwards you can drive it home playing music with A/C on full blast LEGALLY. It wont break your back since the suspension isnt Zeal SuperFunctions. It's a daily driver, sure you can build an older car to beat it on that track, but why? I would be happy to drive a car to a track and drive it home, none of that towing crap. You're missing the whole point of the GTR, it's not meant to be a pure track beast. It has to have a balance of a street and track monster. That is what people will pay $68k for. IMO lol

No it's a z and 240 forum both of which I currently own and are project cars. Why are we talking about a gtr then. lol I brought up the evo because like I said that is the car I choose over the others in that price and performance range. One being the gt-r. To be honest I think a built evo is probably the best car to compare the new gt-r to.

What other AWD car would you compare the gt-r to in this price range?

I never said anything about doing any of that. My car will be road legal, with full interior, abs, air bags, and no cage. It's been documented that you can still get the car down to 3000lbs. I will NOT be towing this to the track. I did that for years and that is why I went with a 4 door that can carry the entire family to the track. Can you do that in the gt-r???? I have driven in evo's with the ohlin flag coilovers and you can set them to ride like a bmw. I am not exagerating either. Expensive but worth every penny.

http://2009gtr.blogspot.com/2007/10/maintenance-costs-in-japan.html

* Schedule Point Check Maintenance: 5,000 JPY ($43 USD) - undertray multi point check
* Car Inspection: 200,000 JPY ($1727 USD)
* Oil Change: 25,000 JPY ($216 USD) - 100% synthetic oil
* Oil + Oil Element Change: 29,000 JPY ($250 USD) - include oil cooler service + undertray multi point check
* Transmission & Differential Oil Change: 100,000 JPY ($864 USD) - include undertray multi point check
* Brake Pad Change (all 4): 400,000 JPY ($3500 USD) - pad change + rotor service
* Tire Change (all 4): 460,000 JPY ($4000 USD) - specially developed 20" run flat tires

[kouki_s14]

No it's a z and 240 forum both of which I currently own and are project cars.

Dont get technical, the majority of members own 240s, same thing. But thats irrelevant

Why are we talking about a gtr then. lol

It's in the Nissan news section and it's in the title.

I brought up the evo because like I said that is the car I choose over the others in that price and performance range. One being the gt-r. To be honest I think a built evo is probably the best car to compare the new gt-r to.

Remember it's a Nissan 240sx and Z forum(apparently), so praising a Evo is getting you no where. I like Evos too, dont get me wrong, but i see the GTR in a whole other league. So comparing them makes no sense to me.



What other AWD car would you compare the gt-r to in this price range?


Who said it had to be compared to an AWD in its price range? I think if people are comparing it to something like the 911, then that shows something about the car regardless of price.


I never said anything about doing any of that. My car will be road legal, with full interior, abs, air bags, and no cage. It's been documented that you can still get the car down to 3000lbs.

You can go ahead and do that, then show us how comfortable/luxurious it will be compared to the GTR.


I will NOT be towing this to the track. I did that for years and that is why I went with a 4 door that can carry the entire family to the track. Can you do that in the gt-r????

Who said any of us needed to bring a family to the track? You're getting off topic here.

I have driven in evo's with the ohlin flag coilovers and you can set them to ride like a bmw. I am not exagerating either. Expensive but worth every penny.

Other suspension components also contribute to ride quality and $4000 coilovers isnt going to be enough to keep up.



http://2009gtr.blogspot.com/2007/10/maintenance-costs-in-japan.html

* Schedule Point Check Maintenance: 5,000 JPY ($43 USD) - undertray multi point check
* Car Inspection: 200,000 JPY ($1727 USD)
* Oil Change: 25,000 JPY ($216 USD) - 100% synthetic oil
* Oil + Oil Element Change: 29,000 JPY ($250 USD) - include oil cooler service + undertray multi point check
* Transmission & Differential Oil Change: 100,000 JPY ($864 USD) - include undertray multi point check
* Brake Pad Change (all 4): 400,000 JPY ($3500 USD) - pad change + rotor service
* Tire Change (all 4): 460,000 JPY ($4000 USD) - specially developed 20" run flat tires


Um who here is really going to take their car to the dealership to get serviced?


You didnt address my point on the power of the evo. I know power doesnt matter much on the track, but im pretty sure stock trim is not going to cut it against a GTR(negating difference in driver skill/experience). Is it really going to be able to take the extra heat with the upgraded components? Can you really still use the AC with the extra heat? How reliable is the car going to be with all the upgrades? Can it last 100,000+ miles without shooting a piston out the side of the block?
I doubt a stock Evo can even finish a lap on the Nur without burning through its clutch, but that's probably Mitsubishi's fault. That still tells a bit of the engineering that has gone into the car.....

Again my point is, the car should be balanced and can you truly achieve that balance that the GTR has with an Evo? Nissan spent years and millions trying to do it and IMO, they got pretty dam close, so IMO it is worth $68,000. Now thinking you can take a rolling Evo shell with 60k and replicate what Nissan did, then you're a little overly optimistic dont you think?

[phreze]

:ghey: http://2009gtr.blogspot.com/2007/10/maintenance-costs-in-japan.html

* Schedule Point Check Maintenance: 5,000 JPY ($43 USD) - undertray multi point check
* Car Inspection: 200,000 JPY ($1727 USD)
* Oil Change: 25,000 JPY ($216 USD) - 100% synthetic oil
* Oil + Oil Element Change: 29,000 JPY ($250 USD) - include oil cooler service + undertray multi point check
* Transmission & Differential Oil Change: 100,000 JPY ($864 USD) - include undertray multi point check
* Brake Pad Change (all 4): 400,000 JPY ($3500 USD) - pad change + rotor service
* Tire Change (all 4): 460,000 JPY ($4000 USD) - specially developed 20" run flat tires

:ghey: This is the states not Japan. We don't pay $100 for mangos and $25 for a peice of chocolate. Who the hell is going to buy stock tires for $4,000 or $216 for an oil change.

[Slam]

Many of you guys have probably seen this already, but here is an article about the GT-R going head to head vs. the 911 Turbo.
911 turbo performance for about half the price?


http://www.autoblog.com/2007/09/22/round-1-gt-r-vs-911-turbo-at-the-ring-advantage-gt-r/

http://www.blogsmithmedia.com/www.autoblog.com/media/2007/09/gtr.911.nr1.kgp.ed.jpg

[0100]

Dont get technical, the majority of members own 240s, same thing. But thats irrelevant

Haha sorry had to bust your balls on that. What do like two people on here own 240z's. lol

Remember it's a Nissan 240sx and Z forum(apparently), so praising a Evo is getting you no where. I like Evos too, dont get me wrong, but i see the GTR in a whole other league. So comparing them makes no sense to me.

I brought the evo up in a 240 forum, sub nissan news forum, because I was comparing the evo to the gt-r. That is like me saying why are you bringing up the 911. The car needs to be compared against something other than a nissan, I just happen to think a built evo compares very well to the gt-r. Obviously many don't.

Who said it had to be compared to an AWD in its price range? I think if people are comparing it to something like the 911, then that shows something about the car regardless of price.

The car needs to be compared to other cars we all know this and we all have different opinions on what to compare it to. I already listed the cars I would compare it to. I think price and AWD should be on the top of the list. I would not unlike a lot of others (magazines included) compare it to the 997tt. Performance is similar but the price is way too different. IMO not the best car to compare. I was in the market for a gt-r but no way in hell was I in the market for a 997tt.

You can go ahead and do that, then show us how comfortable/luxurious it will be compared to the GTR.

Well it's going to be a stock interior evo. I think it's comfortable not luxurious. I will still be way under the 68k price so I could have custom leather, nav, stereo blah blah but that is not me. Why would you even want a gt-r lux? One of the reasons why it's 800 lbs heavier than a evo. It went lux which I really wish it didn't, but is a pro for some.

Who said any of us needed to bring a family to the track? You're getting off topic here.

Just pointing out one of the pro's of the evo build vs gt-r just as you pointed out the lux pro with the gt-r. You have to list all the pros and cons when comparing, and no back seat is a huge con for me. Not everyone has a family or even wants a back seat. So a backseat may be a con for someone else. Going to VIR that is 10+hr drive in one car is a huge pro for me.

Other suspension components also contribute to ride quality and $4000 coilovers isnt going to be enough to keep up.

No I am not kidding these aren't like jdm coilovers, with the double adjustability you can get the car to ride very nice. Way way nicer than a stock evo.

Keep up where... on the mountain and track? The entire suspension is being done over bushings, swaybars, adjustable front and rear arms. 305/30 18 on all 4 courners. That is a total of 48" of rubber. What is the width of the gt-r tires? I haven't seen any info on that. I am really curious. I will be running close to the same size rotors and calipers as the gt-r. 3000 vs 3800 with same brakes means I can brake way later and deeper. Also tires, pads, and brake fluid will start to fade faster at the track/mountain with a heavier car.

Um who here is really going to take their car to the dealership to get serviced?

No but the price for replacement parts are going to be on par with other super cars. That pad rotor service scares the hell out of me. I wonder how much is labor. That should be a 1/2 hr job tops.

You didnt address my point on the power of the evo. I know power doesnt matter much on the track, but im pretty sure stock trim is not going to cut it against a GTR(negating difference in driver skill/experience). Is it really going to be able to take the extra heat with the upgraded components? Can you really still use the AC with the extra heat? How reliable is the car going to be with all the upgrades? Can it last 100,000+ miles without shooting a piston out the side of the block?
I doubt a stock Evo can even finish a lap on the Nur without burning through its clutch, but that's probably Mitsubishi's fault. That still tells a bit of the engineering that has gone into the car.....

I don't want to release info on my engine or hp figures yet, but trust me when I say built evo I mean it in every sense of the word. I am not fucking around with this car. Engine builder is charging me 8k and that is built to the max. Basically he can't charge me any more because there is nothing left to upgrade. lol That is for a IX long block that is rated for 1100hp for drag and 800hp endurance road racing. I won't be running 800hp but I will say it's going to be more than the evo gt-r.

Again my point is, the car should be balanced and can you truly achieve that balance that the GTR has with an Evo? Nissan spent years and millions trying to do it and IMO, they got pretty dam close, so IMO it is worth $68,000. Now thinking you can take a rolling Evo shell with 60k and replicate what Nissan did, then you're a little overly optimistic dont you think?

I might be optimistic, I guess we will find out in 08. I will be sure to post incar track laps and time slips. For me it so much fun doing the research and work on your own car and have it perform well. I know if I am passing a gt-r at the track I will be on cloud nine because of all the work I did. A driver in a gt-r passing me in my toaster evo wont even have a second thought.

I didn't call my project, hippiekiller for nothing. I am preparing for war and I hope the 08 cars rolling of the stealership lots are also.

:ghey:

:ghey: This is the states not Japan. We don't pay $100 for mangos and $25 for a peice of chocolate. Who the hell is going to buy stock tires for $4,000 or $216 for an oil change.

Just posting what I found take it for what it is, but looks like rotors are going to be $$$. With 20 and 21 wheels, tires are not going to be cheap and race rubber is going to be insane. Going to see guys running 19" wheels for the track just to get good rubber.

Many of you guys have probably seen this already, but here is an article about the GT-R going head to head vs. the 911 Turbo.
911 turbo performance for about half the price?


Did you see my article. EVO with gt-r performance for half the price. Sorry that was a bad joke. I know porsche must be so pissed about the gt-r.

[silviatunersr20]

I cant wait for the next car battle lol! Like the 09 C6 Z07 (ZR1) 700hp or 2010 base model C7 LS7 which is the Z06 now. Whatever it may be I still love my car battles!

[kouki_s14]

Haha sorry had to bust your balls on that. What do like two people on here own 240z's. lol

exactly why i called it a 240 forum, you're the one that wanted to get technical

I brought the evo up in a 240 forum, sub nissan news forum, because I was comparing the evo to the gt-r. That is like me saying why are you bringing up the 911. The car needs to be compared against something other than a nissan, I just happen to think a built evo compares very well to the gt-r. Obviously many don't

I brought up 911 because it's been tested against a 911. You dont see Nissan taking the GTR around the world with an Evo in its tracks. If Nissan wanted to build a car to beat the Evo, i doubt they would have to try very hard.

The car needs to be compared to other cars we all know this and we all have different opinions on what to compare it to. I already listed the cars I would compare it to. I think price and AWD should be on the top of the list. I would not unlike a lot of others (magazines included) compare it to the 997tt. Performance is similar but the price is way too different. IMO not the best car to compare. I was in the market for a gt-r but no way in hell was I in the market for a 997tt.

It's being compared to something twice its price to show that it can do what the 911 can do, but luckily you dont have to pay for a 911. Why cant you compare similiar performing cars? Seems like a good platform to me. It's the best way to see which is the best bang for your buck kind of thing.



Well it's going to be a stock interior evo. I think it's comfortable not luxurious. I will still be way under the 68k price so I could have custom leather, nav, stereo blah blah but that is not me. Why would you even want a gt-r lux? One of the reasons why it's 800 lbs heavier than a evo. It went lux which I really wish it didn't, but is a pro for some.

Why would i want a GTR to be luxurious? Why wouldnt i want a car to be luxurious? I dont care if the navi, stereo, seats are heavy. If it performs while being heavy and keeps me comfortable then thats a big plus.
If i didnt want a luxurious car then i would build a car myself and make it fast, but i cant build a luxury car.


Just pointing out one of the pro's of the evo build vs gt-r just as you pointed out the lux pro with the gt-r. You have to list all the pros and cons when comparing, and no back seat is a huge con for me. Not everyone has a family or even wants a back seat. So a backseat may be a con for someone else. Going to VIR that is 10+hr drive in one car is a huge pro for me.

Then you're obviously in the market for something else, Nissan isnt pricing it for you. Nissan is making this car for the people who want a luxury performance car and that dont need to haul a family around. If you got the money for this car then you can probably afford to get a SUV for other duties.



No I am not kidding these aren't like jdm coilovers, with the double adjustability you can get the car to ride very nice. Way way nicer than a stock evo.

But you still have to adjust it manually at the track to get it to perform the way you want. Eh some people are just lazy.

Keep up where... on the mountain and track? The entire suspension is being done over bushings, swaybars, adjustable front and rear arms. 305/30 18 on all 4 courners. That is a total of 48" of rubber. What is the width of the gt-r tires? I haven't seen any info on that. I am really curious. I will be running close to the same size rotors and calipers as the gt-r. 3000 vs 3800 with same brakes means I can brake way later and deeper. Also tires, pads, and brake fluid will start to fade faster at the track/mountain with a heavier car.

Tire size doesnt mean anything unless you can get heat into them, most drivers cant ever use the full potential of 305 tires all around. You better be running some high hp numbers for that heat and to keep it at temp, so that means high boost, which then plays into the reliability factor. You're not going to weigh 3000lbs with thick comfortable leather seats, navi, etc(remember from my point of view it's supposed to be as luxurious as a GTR).

No but the price for replacement parts are going to be on par with other super cars. That pad rotor service scares the hell out of me. I wonder how much is labor. That should be a 1/2 hr job tops.

wth? are you still considering buying parts from the dealer? come on....
endless, pbr, project mu, etc will have replacement parts within months if not sooner. Not to mention it may perform better or just as well for low costs. Just stop looking at those dealer prices already...it's a pointless fact



I don't want to release info on my engine or hp figures yet, but trust me when I say built evo I mean it in every sense of the word. I am not fucking around with this car. Engine builder is charging me 8k and that is built to the max. Basically he can't charge me any more because there is nothing left to upgrade. lol That is for a IX long block that is rated for 1100hp for drag and 800hp endurance road racing. I won't be running 800hp but I will say it's going to be more than the evo gt-r.

So how is this car going to have AC? Again remember your "built evo" has gotta have AC. I love my AC. So you will have a fully built 4 cylinder running 500+hp? Little less? Little more? That motor is going to run HOT, which means you need a thick radiator and FAT FMIC, which means it'll block the AC, which mean......no AC. To me, that is no longer a car that can be daily driven.

I might be optimistic, I guess we will find out in 08. I will be sure to post incar track laps and time slips. For me it so much fun doing the research and work on your own car and have it perform well. I know if I am passing a gt-r at the track I will be on cloud nine because of all the work I did. A driver in a gt-r passing me in my toaster evo wont even have a second thought.

You cant really say that youre working on your own car since you're paying $8000 to someone to build your engine. You will probably pass a GTR on a track sooner or later, but that driver was obviously not putting it to its full potential. You will need to strip even more amenities, sacrific more reliability, comfort, etc on your Evo to compete with a driver that can take the GTR to its limits.

I didn't call my project, hippiekiller for nothing. I am preparing for war and I hope the 08 cars rolling of the stealership lots are also.

you have one hell of an uphill battle against the GTR.

If i had the money i could probably build an Evo to compete with a GTR too. but there is no way in hell i would want to drive it everyday. You cannot take $68,000 and build an Evo with the same characteristics as the GTR, period. Is anything i'm saying getting through?

[Slam]

Did you see my article. EVO with gt-r performance for half the price. Sorry that was a bad joke. I know porsche must be so pissed about the gt-r.

I recall seeing your quote, but I probably forgot since I had to just skim much of the content in this thread.

I can see Porsche being a little bent that their flagship 911 is getting out gunned by a Japanese sports car. But, I don't think they really care that much. Most Porsche customers that can afford a 911 turbo don't really care about these nitty gritty details such as Nurburgring times, 1/4 mile ET's, which car one the last time attack etc..

Most of these guys are too busy with their lives making money and don't hesitate dropping the dough on expensive vehicles such as the 911 turbo. They want the Porsche for the prestige. Most (not all) of Porsche's customers for the Turbo don't really care about cars that cost less that are just as fast or faster.

When I was at the Porsche dealer a few months ago, most of the guys I saw there were just more concerned with: what color to get, tiptronic or manual, should they opt for the sport seats or not.

I was chatting with the sales guy about the GT3 RS on the lot and how low the fascia was to the ground for a production car. He said that most (not all) of the guys that buy the car don't even know how to really drive them and they don't really care to leave the driveway at an angle!

An example is the 350Z compared to the Boxster S. Performance is close, price gap is significant. It's just a different customer. I don't think Porsche is that concerned with the Z car.

I think the car's that will be impacted most are performance cars such as the Z06, M3, Cayman. All Performance oriented vehicles with close price points with less overall performance vs. the GTR.

[StaticX27]

Why are we even comparing modified cars to stock cars? That's on par with masturbation.

Sure, I can build a 240 to keep up with a Ferrari, and probably for significantly less than the Ferrari's value. Comparing an Evo anything to the GT-R is like comparing chocolate and shit.

[0100]

I brought up 911 because it's been tested against a 911. You dont see Nissan taking the GTR around the world with an Evo in its tracks. If Nissan wanted to build a car to beat the Evo, i doubt they would have to try very hard.


It's being compared to something twice its price to show that it can do what the 911 can do, but luckily you dont have to pay for a 911. Why cant you compare similiar performing cars? Seems like a good platform to me. It's the best way to see which is the best bang for your buck kind of thing.


Yeah and that is why I am comparing a built evo to a gt-r because it's the best way to see which is the best bang for the buck.



Why would i want a GTR to be luxurious? Why wouldnt i want a car to be luxurious? I dont care if the navi, stereo, seats are heavy. If it performs while being heavy and keeps me comfortable then thats a big plus.
If i didnt want a luxurious car then i would build a car myself and make it fast, but i cant build a luxury car.


Like I said that is on your pro list as back seat is on my pro list. I can't believe lux and gt-r are in the same sentence... :-/


Then you're obviously in the market for something else, Nissan isnt pricing it for you. Nissan is making this car for the people who want a luxury performance car and that dont need to haul a family around. If you got the money for this car then you can probably afford to get a SUV for other duties.


I know they aren't marketing it to me, probably the reason I didn't buy it. If the price was 10k lower and the weight was 500 less I probably would have looked over no back seat and bought one.

This is a very tough car to compare something to because of it's awd, price and performance. I said earlier I don't think the 997tt is a good car to compare the gt-r to, not because of performance but price, and Slam brings up a great point on why it really shouldn't be compared to the 997tt.

New car it's the z06 and m3. I think it will beat the m3 but not the z06.



But you still have to adjust it manually at the track to get it to perform the way you want. Eh some people are just lazy.


Takes 2 seconds, but like most porsche owners I can see them thinking it's a hassle to pop the hood and turn a dial. Most would have no clue what to do. This is why I don't agree with phreze. Most of the people who buy this are just going to drop it off and have a $216 oil change.



Tire size doesnt mean anything unless you can get heat into them, most drivers cant ever use the full potential of 305 tires all around. You better be running some high hp numbers for that heat and to keep it at temp, so that means high boost, which then plays into the reliability factor. You're not going to weigh 3000lbs with thick comfortable leather seats, navi, etc(remember from my point of view it's supposed to be as luxurious as a GTR).


It will have more than 500hp less than 800hp to the wheels which will be plenty to get heat into the tires. Yes I am running a bigger more efficient yet lighter radiator and oil cooler. Bigger intercooler that weights little heavier than stock. Bigger intercooler piping which are lighter than stock. Everything swain BBE coated for heat removal. Will have no heat issues running hard on the track or road.

Ok if you want all that lux crap add 500 so 3500 vs 3800.

wth? are you still considering buying parts from the dealer? come on....
endless, pbr, project mu, etc will have replacement parts within months if not sooner. Not to mention it may perform better or just as well for low costs. Just stop looking at those dealer prices already...it's a pointless fact


Ok it's pointless for you and me but not for everyone buying or looking to buy this car. Not everything will be able to be bought aftermarket. Wonder how much hubs are going to cost when they need replacement? How much are 21" tires going to cost?



So how is this car going to have AC? Again remember your "built evo" has gotta have AC. I love my AC. So you will have a fully built 4 cylinder running 500+hp? Little less? Little more? That motor is going to run HOT, which means you need a thick radiator and FAT FMIC, which means it'll block the AC, which mean......no AC. To me, that is no longer a car that can be daily driven.


It will have a more efficient radiator, and the intercooler is a lot thicker but not a lot wider. So it doesn't really block that much more air flow. I see no problem running ac at all. That said I never use ac and looking at the weight I may remove it. Maybe it's because I am up north but I never use it. I like the windows down, but I know some can't live without it. Running around town with the ac on or down the highway would be no problem. You are not even really on boost in those situations. Don't even see a problem in spirited driving with the bigger radiator and oilcooler. If you are at the track or mountain running hard no one is going to be running ac not even the gt-r and if they are they are insane.



You cant really say that youre working on your own car since you're paying $8000 to someone to build your engine. You will probably pass a GTR on a track sooner or later, but that driver was obviously not putting it to its full potential.


You know what I mean by "working on my own car", even top race team have an engine builder. Like I said I am not fucking around and went to the best 4g63 builder in the world. Lot's say better than jun or cosworth. Yes I could do it for myself but I wouldn't save that much more and it wouldn't be as close to as good.

You will need to strip even more amenities, sacrific more reliability, comfort, etc on your Evo to compete with a driver that can take the GTR to its limits.
you have one hell of an uphill battle against the GTR.


I love uphill battles, it just makes the victory that more sweet. I promise it will be full interior, heat, radio, carpet, no cage, abs, airbags when I post time slips and in car track video.

If i had the money i could probably build an Evo to compete with a GTR too. but there is no way in hell i would want to drive it everyday. You cannot take $68,000 and build an Evo with the same characteristics as the GTR, period. Is anything i'm saying getting through?

Performance characteristic I think you can match(exceed) that of the gt-r and that is what I am trying to prove with my build. I think your view of this car is a little slewed. I mean you are comparing it to a stock 997tt which if you have ever been to a pca event is no way even close to the fastest car on the track. I know you guys think I am insane but I didn't just come up with built evo > than $68k gt-r out of thin air, and to top it off I won't even be close to $68k or even $58K with no tax. :bigok: Plus ball up a built evo much easier to re-coop your total cost selling off parts vs gt-r. I bend the evo chassis it's junk so I am out 10k. Bend a gt-r chassis it's going to be a lot more than 10k. Yes you can part out both but you won't re-coop as much of your total investment with a new car. Just rolling it off the lot you are in the hole.

Nothing else really to say, will just have to wait and see in 08. :hsdance:

[bardabe]

damn so buying the new gtr is probably cheaper than what some paid for an R32 GTR. hm yeah I wanna see this car in person. LA Auto Show Anyone?

[xpl2007]

Who cares. ZO6 will spank it all day long and for the same price. There using the wrong car to compare it to... Im not a corvette fan but the new corvette coming out smokes the old even sicker. Nothing like the old school cars sorry,,,,, Supra,,,,Silvias,,,,Skylines,,,Hondas,,,,Volkswago ns,,, Mazdas,,, pick any one of those from Japan 1992 and you win... $70,000 for the new GTR? Crazy price. I have seen the new GTR on the track. Not impressed. I will take a RHD one though. I would take the 350z with swapped out skyline motor any day over the new GTR. Thats all they had to do in my book. Of course im bias on touge a drift cars...lol

[kouki_s14]

Yeah and that is why I am comparing a built evo to a gt-r because it's the best way to see which is the best bang for the buck.

You're only proveing the performance aspect of the whole matter. That can easily be done with countless cars, but again that was never my point. Like i said before it wont have the qualities the GTR has to offer.




Like I said that is on your pro list as back seat is on my pro list. I can't believe lux and gt-r are in the same sentence... :-/

If you dont want the luxury items and you want a pure track GTR, strip the thing and there you go. But for the market Nissan wants to sell the car to, it has to have luxuries and i sure as hell am not going to complain. Again i emphasize the car being well rounded, not lop-sided like your Evo.


I know they aren't marketing it to me, probably the reason I didn't buy it. If the price was 10k lower and the weight was 500 less I probably would have looked over no back seat and bought one.

Nissan doesnt want everyone and their mom to have one, so they added comforts to the car. Unfortunately those comforts add weight and cost, which Nissan didnt mind since it helps makes it a bit more exclusive. It puts it in a difference class.

This is a very tough car to compare something to because of it's awd, price and performance. I said earlier I don't think the 997tt is a good car to compare the gt-r to, not because of performance but price, and Slam brings up a great point on why it really shouldn't be compared to the 997tt.

New car it's the z06 and m3. I think it will beat the m3 but not the z06.

Slam's reason to not compare the 997 can be applied to you comparing it to an Evo as well. People will buy the GTR for its name, maybe not like a Porsche but in another sense. The GTR is a prestigious name, so prices can be inflated to reflect that. IMO the evo has no where near the same presitige as a GTR.



Takes 2 seconds, but like most porsche owners I can see them thinking it's a hassle to pop the hood and turn a dial. Most would have no clue what to do. This is why I don't agree with phreze. Most of the people who buy this are just going to drop it off and have a $216 oil change.


Then that's their fault for being incompetent, still your pricing doesnt apply to us. Thinking that any of us would pay that is condescending.



It will have more than 500hp less than 800hp to the wheels which will be plenty to get heat into the tires. Yes I am running a bigger more efficient yet lighter radiator and oil cooler. Bigger intercooler that weights little heavier than stock. Bigger intercooler piping which are lighter than stock. Everything swain BBE coated for heat removal. Will have no heat issues running hard on the track or road.

Since you're not even done building it, you really have no idea how it will perform. 500-800hp? You really think that 4 cylinder Mitsubishi block can last as long as an average car? ie 100,000+ miles? You will have to do some expensive overhauling. 500-800hp on 1000cc injectors(according to your page), you're already going to foul plugs every thousand miles or so.

Ok if you want all that lux crap add 500 so 3500 vs 3800.

And now, can your suspension, brakes, etc handle that extra weigh properly on the track? You cant just throw weight in there and not factor in details (as Nissan has already done for you in the GTR)



Ok it's pointless for you and me but not for everyone buying or looking to buy this car. Not everything will be able to be bought aftermarket. Wonder how much hubs are going to cost when they need replacement? How much are 21" tires going to cost?

How often do Nissan hubs really need replacement? This car is not a Mitsubishi. I'm at 150k on my car, no major hub problems here. 150k is way longer than your 500+hp motor will last.

285/30/21 inch tires wont cost much more than your 305/30/18 series tires. 18 and 19 inch tires with low profile used to be expensive too, but once the sizes hit mainstream prices dropped. The industry is already regularally seeing 19/20s. Not to mention the base model has 20's iirc.


It will have a more efficient radiator, and the intercooler is a lot thicker but not a lot wider. So it doesn't really block that much more air flow. I see no problem running ac at all. That said I never use ac and looking at the weight I may remove it. Maybe it's because I am up north but I never use it. I like the windows down, but I know some can't live without it. Running around town with the ac on or down the highway would be no problem. You are not even really on boost in those situations. Don't even see a problem in spirited driving with the bigger radiator and oilcooler. If you are at the track or mountain running hard no one is going to be running ac not even the gt-r and if they are they are insane.

intercoolers that are thick cool your intake air more, which means the air that passes through them gets hotter(more distant through the IC results in more heat taken out with it into the rest of the cooling systems, width wasnt my point), which in turn blows warmer air at your radiator, but wait! if you turn on your AC the air gets even warmer before hitting your radiator. That's even if your AC is still working properly with the lack of airflow.

If you remove your AC then again i cannot consider the car drivable on a daily basis.

You know what I mean by "working on my own car", even top race team have an engine builder. Like I said I am not fucking around and went to the best 4g63 builder in the world. Lot's say better than jun or cosworth. Yes I could do it for myself but I wouldn't save that much more and it wouldn't be as close to as good.

Dam are you getting mad? Cussing already. Anyways I'm sure if Jun or Cosworth focused ONLY on the 4G63, they would beat the pants off your builder, but they have bigger and better things to worry about.


I love uphill battles, it just makes the victory that more sweet. I promise it will be full interior, heat, radio, carpet, no cage, abs, airbags when I post time slips and in car track video.

It can be faster, more fun, but still lacks being well rounded. It still wont be as comfortable, quiet, smooth, etc. Basically it still wont be a GTR.

Performance characteristic I think you can match(exceed) that of the gt-r and that is what I am trying to prove with my build.

You can do that, but you sacrific the luxuries. Again the Evo will NEVER have the same characteristics of a GTR.

I think your view of this car is a little slewed. I mean you are comparing it to a stock 997tt which if you have ever been to a pca event is no way even close to the fastest car on the track.

Most people who take that car to the track cant drive it, you should know that. If you've driven one then you know how smooth it is around the track, it's even hard to tell when the back end is going to give out.

I know you guys think I am insane but I didn't just come up with built evo > than $68k gt-r out of thin air, and to top it off I won't even be close to $68k or even $58K with no tax. :bigok:

Just a bit insane, because i stress the fact, it will never have the same qualities as a GTR EVER.

Plus ball up a built evo much easier to re-coop your total cost selling off parts vs gt-r. I bend the evo chassis it's junk so I am out 10k. Bend a gt-r chassis it's going to be a lot more than 10k. Yes you can part out both but you won't re-coop as much of your total investment with a new car. Just rolling it off the lot you are in the hole.

I dont think anyone plans on crashing the thing and of course it's going to cost more to fix, it's a new car and it's worth more. What was that supposed to prove? I think all that really said was the Mitsubishi's arent worth much.

Nothing else really to say, will just have to wait and see in 08. :hsdance:


i cant wait.

[SimpleS14]

edit: all I can say is this thread is an interesting read haha

[bamaboy]

i'm tired of reading the multi quoting.....you guys should just call each other.....good debate though.

[bardabe]

i'm tired of reading the multi quoting.....you guys should just call each other.....good debate though.

u made me laugh just had to get it out tere lol:bigok:

[SimpleS14]

Also tires, pads, and brake fluid will start to fade faster at the track/mountain with a heavier car.

I instantly thought about Initial D and Nitekids when I read this lol

[WILDACEX187]

my eyes hurt. GOOO gt-r!!!

[90KAcoupe]

ok im going to go ahead and say i havent read the whole thread basically cause im lazy and tired right now.

With that being stated.... I think the GT-R is a complete waist of money for nissan to bring this back. Yea its a sweet car.... Yea its a GT-R.... but who all on here is gonna jump out and buy one.... Many of the nissan fans wont get to own one...and only a select few will even get to ride in one.

To me coming from a more market-able standpoint. They need to offer a cheap 4 cylinder RWD platform. Kind of like the 240's were. A econ rwd car. (with plenty of potential) I think something along these lines would be a great investment for any motor company. When i say cheap rwd platform. I'm not referring to the solsitce or sky. In which both cars are completely over priced. If Nissan offered a low priced RWD 2 door sporty economical car. I personally think it would sell like crazy. If they designed it so it could be possible to offer a let say "GT-R" or "V-Spec" package that might come either 4cylinder turbo or v6. It would give nissan more of an oppritunity to grow on this line of vehicle.

just my $0.02 but why does it matter im a stupid 16yr old kid....

[StaticX27]

Hey kouki_s14, just one question. Will his evo ever have the same qualities as a GT-R? Wasn't quite sure from your responses :P j/k

To 0100. If you really want to compare the same thing, maybe you should be planning at the brand new price of an Evo instead of the price of a used car. That might lend a little more credibility to your stance on the issue. Otherwise you're not even talking the same thing :P

[0100]

i cant wait.

Don't feel like doing quoting everything. Sorry getting lazy.


If you think the suspension on the gt-r is going to ride like a caddy and perform like a porsche you are insane. It's not possible to have both, you have to compromise something in the valving especially if it isn't adjustable. It's probably somewhere in the middle of a caddy and race car(more to the race car end I am sure). With double adjustable shocks I bet you can get the evo to ride as nice(ok pretty close) on the street as the gt-r and even better on the track. If we can find a gt-r owner this can be tested also.

I don't know why you think the ac will be that big of a deal. Especially with the bigger radiator and oil cooler. I see no problem running ac, many built evo's have with no problem. We will never find out on my car because I don't use ac, so it is wasted weight and hp sitting there for maybe two times I would really say "damn I need to put the ac on". This isn't an e-battle car I am talking about. I am talking about an actual car I am building so it's pointless for me to argue the ac and try to prove it. The car I am building is obviously a car that you wouldn't be in the market for, just like the gt-r isn't for me(after they gayed it up). Doesn't mean I can't compare it to the gt-r(price and performance wise).

I am the guy who would order the gt3 with ac delete. That is just badass, I mean new car with no ac, sick. If you and I were looking at the gt3 or 997tt you would probably go 997tt for the lux and I would go gt3 for the rawness. Different strokes that is all.

Again for me to try to point out that the evo could be made lux is stupid because the actual car I am going to test against a gt-r will not be lux so I can't prove it. You could always go mr leather interior in the evo with nav and sick stereo. Plenty of money left over use the cash to fly penske out to design a specific suspension for the car's weight yes this is completely asinine and just making a stupid point. Trying to build a car like that is stupid. My proposal is for the guy who likes the raw gt3 type cars. I mean a stock evo interior is the nicest car interior I have ever owned. Still would love to gut it and throw a race seat in it but my wife would have my balls and my son would have no where to sit. I also personally think the gt-r seats look horrible.

I wasn't trying to sound all great that I am having my engine built by the top 4g63 engine builder. It definitely came off that way though, my bad. I am trying to say 68k is a TON of cash and you can go best of the best and still be less than the gt-r. You can have a full long block from cosworth, 10k triple penskies, blah, blah. Yeah if you are putting it on a civic your are stupid, but a quality chassis and you have a nice car. Any 911 chassis going back to 73, evo, skyline, etc.


Replace fucking with messing and you will see it was in no way directed at you.

I wasn't being condescending look at what I wrote I said you or I wouldn't pay those prices. You will have to buy replacement parts at some point, this isn't made from the gods to run forever. Just pointing out it looks like it's not going to be like zo6 replacement parts.

This is all crap what it comes down to is power to weight ratio. I don't care what kind of wizardry you think nissan is going to put in the car it all comes down to P/W.

I raced tin tops and formula cars for a long time. 3 years in a formula car. FC formula cars are so primitive you would be amazed. Simple bike cable for throttle, rear wheel drive no abs or traction control. How can they run so fast... down force and power to weight is all that matters. The real wizard is behind the wheel and a good one doesn't need tricks. Just for reference this 30k formula car that I built ran 0:50 at lrp and I suck at driving.

I know for you personally the evo is not what you would be in the market for but let's just get down to brass tacts for shits and giggles.

Both cars have similar brake setups and pads, even allow the gt-r to run similar tire compound, and lets say the gt-r stock suspension is so amazing that it is on par with double adjustable ohlins, and both cars are abs and awd with an advantage to the gt-r. It comes down to p/w.

gt-r 3800 500hp to the wheels
evo 3000 500hp to the wheels

You honestly think the gt-r will beat the evo with the same driver...

i'm tired of reading the multi quoting.....you guys should just call each other.....good debate though.

Haha... Seriously I wish we were all sitting at a tavern or something talking about this. It would be so much easier and I know some of the things I type come off wrong, in real life it would sound different. It's hard to convey your point over the internets. I know drift took me the wrong way in real life I am sure we would have been laughing at eachother. I get in heated debates with my buddies and we say all kinds of fucked up shit and call each other everything you can think of. It's just funner that way.

Also this week long thread would have been less than 1 hr in real life. lol

I instantly thought about Initial D and Nitekids when I read this lol

You have no idea how hard I was laughing at this. It's fucking true and I didn't even realize I did it. I need to pop initial d in and try to find this, I haven't watched inital d in years. It's probably a perfect quote. lol It sounds like something the dude in the yellow fd would say, can't remember his name.



To 0100. If you really want to compare the same thing, maybe you should be planning at the brand new price of an Evo instead of the price of a used car. That might lend a little more credibility to your stance on the issue. Otherwise you're not even talking the same thing :P

Kinda confused on what you mean, sorry. Not hard to do.

Edit I think I see what you are saying, my build cap would be whatever the new evo X sells for at the stealership. That is a good idea. Will have to crunch numbers still have a long way to go but I think I will be over. Will have to see though. Very good idea.

[kouki_s14]

If you think the suspension on the gt-r is going to ride like a caddy and perform like a porsche you are insane. It's not possible to have both, you have to compromise something in the valving especially if it isn't adjustable. It's probably somewhere in the middle of a caddy and race car(more to the race car end I am sure). With double adjustable shocks I bet you can get the evo to ride as nice(ok pretty close) on the street as the gt-r and even better on the track. If we can find a gt-r owner this can be tested also.

I never said it was going to ride like a caddy, but i wouldnt be surprised if the suspension was adjustable with a button inside the cabin. Either way i'd still prefer the smooth powerband versus a 4 cylinder that wont hit boost until 4000+rpm.

I don't know why you think the ac will be that big of a deal. Especially with the bigger radiator and oil cooler. I see no problem running ac, many built evo's have with no problem. We will never find out on my car because I don't use ac, so it is wasted weight and hp sitting there for maybe two times I would really say "damn I need to put the ac on". This isn't an e-battle car I am talking about. I am talking about an actual car I am building so it's pointless for me to argue the ac and try to prove it.

How many 500+hp evos have AC? Well i guess it doesnt matter since youre not using it, which already means it shouldnt be compared to the GTR.

The car I am building is obviously a car that you wouldn't be in the market for, just like the gt-r isn't for me(after they gayed it up). Doesn't mean I can't compare it to the gt-r(price and performance wise).

You're right the GTR is obviously not for you. It does mean u cant compare it to the GTR. Why? Because you seem to think that the Evo can be better or equal than the GTR in every aspect, when in reality the Evo can only match bits and pieces.

I am the guy who would order the gt3 with ac delete. That is just badass, I mean new car with no ac, sick. If you and I were looking at the gt3 or 997tt you would probably go 997tt for the lux and I would go gt3 for the rawness. Different strokes that is all.

Different strokes, exactly, but that still doesnt mean you can compare the Evo to a GTR.

Again for me to try to point out that the evo could be made lux is stupid because the actual car I am going to test against a gt-r will not be lux so I can't prove it.

My point exactly. Even if you tried to make it luxurious, it wouldnt be up to par.

You could always go mr leather interior in the evo with nav and sick stereo. Plenty of money left over use the cash to fly penske out to design a specific suspension for the car's weight yes this is completely asinine and just making a stupid point. Trying to build a car like that is stupid.

Exactly.

My proposal is for the guy who likes the raw gt3 type cars.

I have a raw car as well, but this is an entirely different matter.

I mean a stock evo interior is the nicest car interior I have ever owned.

Trust me, it gets A LOT better than an Evo.

Still would love to gut it and throw a race seat in it but my wife would have my balls and my son would have no where to sit. I also personally think the gt-r seats look horrible.

I dont think the looks of a seat have much to do with comfort.

I wasn't trying to sound all great that I am having my engine built by the top 4g63 engine builder. It definitely came off that way though, my bad. I am trying to say 68k is a TON of cash and you can go best of the best and still be less than the gt-r. You can have a full long block from cosworth, 10k triple penskies, blah, blah. Yeah if you are putting it on a civic your are stupid, but a quality chassis and you have a nice car. Any 911 chassis going back to 73, evo, skyline, etc.

My point exactly again. The way we see it, GTR vs Evo, is the way you see a Civic vs Evo comparison. Okay maybe not a fwd, but for example a 1998 Subaru Impreza L AWD. To me a GTR vs Evo comparison is as ridiculous as a impreze L vs evo comparison.


I wasn't being condescending look at what I wrote I said you or I wouldn't pay those prices. You will have to buy replacement parts at some point, this isn't made from the gods to run forever. Just pointing out it looks like it's not going to be like zo6 replacement parts.

Your Evo isnt made to run forever too, but im sure a GTR will last way longer than your 500+hp engine. I want to see that motor run 100,000 miles without a hole in the block from a shooting rod.

This is all crap what it comes down to is power to weight ratio. I don't care what kind of wizardry you think nissan is going to put in the car it all comes down to P/W.

You forget, my argument is that you need all that extra weight from the amenities. You estimated 3500 vs 3800 so your Evo has a 300lb advantage that is just about what the 911 has on the GTR. If that is the case then your Evo will be compared to a Porsche? come on....(keep in mind the weight added)

Eh P/W ratio for this perspective is thrown out the window since this is never going to happen, it's irrelevant.

I raced tin tops and formula cars for a long time. 3 years in a formula car. FC formula cars are so primitive you would be amazed. Simple bike cable for throttle, rear wheel drive no abs or traction control. How can they run so fast... down force and power to weight is all that matters. The real wizard is behind the wheel and a good one doesn't need tricks. Just for reference this 30k formula car that I built ran 0:50 at lrp and I suck at driving.

What does any of this have to do with my argument?

I know for you personally the evo is not what you would be in the market for but let's just get down to brass tacts for shits and giggles.

Both cars have similar brake setups and pads, even allow the gt-r to run similar tire compound, and lets say the gt-r stock suspension is so amazing that it is on par with double adjustable ohlins, and both cars are abs and awd with an advantage to the gt-r. It comes down to p/w.

gt-r 3800 500hp to the wheels
evo 3000 500hp to the wheels

You honestly think the gt-r will beat the evo with the same driver...

When did it get back down to 3000lbs? Add all that things you need to for the Evo to START comparing to the GTR and like you said maybe it'll weigh 3500lbs. That's what a 911 weighs and even with the 300lbs the GTR still clocked better track times. That's out the window then isnt it?

Haha... Seriously I wish we were all sitting at a tavern or something talking about this. It would be so much easier and I know some of the things I type come off wrong, in real life it would sound different. It's hard to convey your point over the internets. I know drift took me the wrong way in real life I am sure we would have been laughing at eachother. I get in heated debates with my buddies and we say all kinds of fucked up shit and call each other everything you can think of. It's just funner that way.

Also this week long thread would have been less than 1 hr in real life. lol

I've been trying to watch what i say, not sure if ive been successful, but i dont mean to offend anyone. It would be a million times easier to do this in person, but that wont happen so the forums will have to do i guess. It's been enjoyable so far.

It's hard to explain my points over the internet, but i can see what you're trying to say. I think i understand you, but logically in my head it doesnt make sense because the two cars are in completely different classes. I wouldnt compare a GTR to a Ferrari F430, even though it has about the same power, it's pointless. The two names just dont deserve to get compared.

[0100]

Brought up the formula car just to show p/w is really all that it comes down to when you are talking performance. That was all.

I did 3000 vs 3800 because that is what my evo will weight. I know you don't think it can be compared to the gt-r, but it will be whether you or I like it. For the simple fact at some point it will be at the same track, strip and road as a gt-r.

Well I think we pretty much exhausted this topic. lol

I can't wait to see some dyno sheets of the gt-r, I bet the tq and hp curve will be very nice.

[SimpleS14]

This is extremely off-topic...but since its a Nissan and its currently a heavy car...

I'd like to see what Nissan does with the next Z (possibly 370Z).


The guy with the yellow FD from Initial D is Keisuke. :)

[Kn1ves]

So I'm going to build this go-kart and it'll be faster than any EVO ever. Think mid-engined twin turbo LS7. It's only going to cost $10k. It'll weigh 1000lbs. Lets race best 2 out of 3!

/throws fuel into the fire

PS. Oh and I drive for SCCA and Open wheel racing and formula 1. just thought you kids would like to know.

/+1 to my ego

God I hate being late to the party.

[0100]

So I'm going to build this go-kart and it'll be faster than any EVO ever. Think mid-engined twin turbo LS7. It's only going to cost $10k. It'll weigh 1000lbs. Lets race best 2 out of 3!

/throws fuel into the fire

PS. Oh and I drive for SCCA and Open wheel racing and formula 1. just thought you kids would like to know.

/+1 to my ego

God I hate being late to the party.
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I know lot's of cars that will destroy my built evo.

Yup I have an ego. Now please no more bitching about my ego.

[Kn1ves]

God I hate being late to the party.

:bigok: .

[StaticX27]

Actually no, what I meant was the fact that you're building your car with the base price of a used evo. As you've said, just driving the vehicle off the lot will depreciate it's value significantly. Thats what I mean, you're using used car pricing, and then applying your thousands of dollars in mods and after that, comparing it to a new car's price tag. Of course it'll be cheaper, Why don't you apply your thousands of dollars of mods to an Evo based on it's original new car pricing?

[drift freaq]

Well he finally admits he has an ego which was pretty much what was fueling this whole debate.

I stepped out of it because I had made my points. I had called him on his mistakes and accusations. True that, in public it would not have gone on,because everyone would have been rolling, when I proved his points were baseless without true facts.

0100 I will say this nicely as other people have said to you as well. You cannot take a car built mostly as a track machine only and then base it against a production vehicle, any production vehicle! Its not a rational scientific comparison.

Now putting aside everything like I,Static,S14_kouki and several others pointed out as well, comparing a different class used vehicle to a new vehicle is not a logical or reasonable comparison as well.
Ok lets sum this up:

You think the GTR is overpriced

You think its a great car

You think your EVO is the absolute tits to the world

You think your tits to the world EVO with insane amounts of cash can beat the GTR.

The only two valid points to the whole thread are your thinking the GTR is overpriced and you thinking its still a nice car. Unless of course your lieing in one of your previous statements about how you respect it.

Everything else has been speculation on your part which I had proved and others had proved several times. Instead of just saying ya I don't have figures but I think I can do it, you insisted it was a fact. Yet you submitted no proof. (speculative HP build numbers are flimsy proof)

When proven with facts by others and I, you started throwing other cars into the mix to avoid admitting you had been exposed on the speculation front. That is a Ego manauver which you finally admitted you had and exposed that for it.

Had you only sucked it up originally and said you know what guys I will go out and get the figures to show this would not have gone on for as long as it did.
Honestly, if you think you can do it and go out and do it, I would prop you. I won't prop or respect anyone that makes wild assumptions like you have without doing the footwork.

As it stands the points that should end this discussion right now are:

the GTR has lapped the ring 1 second faster than GT2

You do not have any ring lap figures for the EVO compared to the GT2( let alone your EVO)

You feel the GTR is overpriced . A valid point from your point of view

Some of us feel its a a lot of car for the money. A valid point from our point of view.

The latter two points will not be proven wrong or right until the car is released and real world tests against other cars besides the GT2 prove points and value and reliability show it was worth the asking price.

In final to do your comparison right . We would have to take a new EVO and bolt on parts to bring it up to the cost of the GTR and then start the testing.

In the end though most people would still cry foul. Though they are both AWD, they are two completely different classes of cars. That will never fall into the same catagory and were built with two different purposes in mind.

Now maybe you could build a EVO to beat it. It would never be the kinda of car the GTR is going to be.
That pretty much renders the basis of your arguement irrelevant to reality.
Its been fun but once again its pointless.

[FRpilot]

To me coming from a more market-able standpoint. They need to offer a cheap 4 cylinder RWD platform. Kind of like the 240's were. A econ rwd car. (with plenty of potential) I think something along these lines would be a great investment for any motor company. When i say cheap rwd platform. I'm not referring to the solsitce or sky. In which both cars are completely over priced. If Nissan offered a low priced RWD 2 door sporty economical car. I personally think it would sell like crazy. If they designed it so it could be possible to offer a let say "GT-R" or "V-Spec" package that might come either 4cylinder turbo or v6. It would give nissan more of an oppritunity to grow on this line of vehicle.

just my $0.02 but why does it matter im a stupid 16yr old kid....

i dont know what you expect for a cheap rwd econo car.. but whatever company takes this on will probably market it around 20,000+. it will not be too cheap to many by then. when the s14 was available in the US market, it was going for 22000+ and at the time many people felt that it was overpriced and spent their 22k on an integra GS-R instead. that's why the s-chasis faded out in the US.

production cost of a rwd car is more than fwd layout due to driveshafts, differential, and other parts. part of the reason why most econo cars out today are fwd layout.

the rwd cars available today are upwards of 20K+. to produce and market a car comparable to jdm s13-s15 silvia for today's society, motor corps would have to sell the car for around 22-25k to be profitable. at that point, most people in the market for a new car would probably spend an extra 5-8k and buy an evo/sti, 350z, s2000, etc compared to an ECONO rwd car. i mean, what did the mazdaspeed turbo miata go for when it was available, like 24k (since i recall every generation brand new miata msrp is always around around 18-20k)? even the mazdaspeed turbo mazda 3 and mazda 6 are starting at 22k.

although i admit i would like some kind of silvia revival and it sounds like a good idea, i have come senses that no motor corp will likely take it on.. above are my reasonsings. no turbo rwd car will be available that cheap. and the ones out on the market today are ugly.

[VTECommie]

I dont honestly even feel like getting into this "argument" because it is a waste of time. Not to mention that this isnt even an argument. Arguing against 0100 is just stupid. There is no way around it. For the money you CAN have a faster car, faster around a track, and faster in a straight line. For the same money you can have a faster car that has leather seats and an in dash TV.(if that is your idea of luxury, to me its just a waste, cloth feels way nicer. Not to mention who in the name of all things holy buys a GTR for luxury? Has any skyline out there been for luxury? ever? My ass you buy a GTR for luxury) For the money of a new GTR I could have civic faster in the 1/4 mile and a fucking VW Golf faster around the track. Arguing over money and numbers is bullshit. I could build an evo faster then a GTR it wouldnt be hard.(I dont really see how spending 9G's so someone else can put together your motor is "building" but that is beside the point. Would I take a 10 second Evo that laps the Nurburging in 7:30 and has 3 in dash TV's with Panda Coat interior over a new GTR? Are you out of your fucking mind?? Of course not.

Now, lets be realistic here Peter Pan. Noone looking at GTR's wants a race car. They arent looking simply at numbers or number of features. They are looking at the car as a whole. Is your definition of a great car really lap times? Is your definition of luxury really leather seats?

Im sure you have all heard of BMW's saying "The ultimate driving machine". This is a name for a spec list. This list encompasses everything, from the thickness of the steering wheel, to the steering ratio to the stiffness of the accelerator. All great engineering companies(IMO BMW, Honda, Nissan, Ferrari, Mazda) have spec lists such as these. No shitty, break down all the time, designed by hot wheels, cheaply built Mitsubishi has anything like this. I have driven Evo's, STi's, Euro's, ricers, everything. Nothing, to me, beats the feeling of sitting in a well built car. You feel one with the maching sitting in an M3, or an S2000, or a Syline, or even a Miata. These cars are well designed cars, and by well designed I dont mean that they look good, which they do.(some cars dont have to hide themselves with giant wings, ugly bumpers and fucking spikes on the roof). Im talking about the stuff that doesnt transfer into numbers. Im talking about the stuff that makes you smile each time you sit down, the stuff that makes you feel one with the car. You dont buy cars to be fast, you dont buy cars for the leather, or for the monstrosity of the spoiler. In short, I feel that your argument is that of a prepubescent boy obsessed with Fast and the Furious. Yea, your evo is faster, at the end of the day im driving home in a GTR and your chasing after your crank (nothing like crankwalk) with a faster time slip.

Oh and about your Evo being faster, more reliable, and more luxurious(I dont by the whole star trek coilover BS). Im ready for the timeslip...

Ps: I didnt mean to be this personal, but Im really sick of people saying Ferrari's are overrated because they could build a supra twice as fast with half the money. The exhaust note of Ferrari's alone is enough to purchase one.

Cliffs: There are too many un-proven claims from both sides of the argument, not to mention that this argument is pointless. If we all worked with 0100's mentality, we would be driving turbo'd miatas.

[Kn1ves]

i dont know what you expect for a cheap rwd econo car.. but whatever company takes this on will probably market it around 20,000+. it will not be too cheap to many by then. when the s14 was available in the US market, it was going for 22000+ and at the time many people felt that it was overpriced and spent their 22k on an integra GS-R instead. that's why the s-chasis faded out in the US.

production cost of a rwd car is more than fwd layout due to driveshafts, differential, and other parts. part of the reason why most econo cars out today are fwd layout.

the rwd cars available today are upwards of 20K+. to produce and market a car comparable to jdm s13-s15 silvia for today's society, motor corps would have to sell the car for around 22-25k to be profitable. at that point, most people in the market for a new car would probably spend an extra 5-8k and buy an evo/sti, 350z, s2000, etc compared to an ECONO rwd car. i mean, what did the mazdaspeed turbo miata go for when it was available, like 24k (since i recall every generation brand new miata msrp is always around around 18-20k)? even the mazdaspeed turbo mazda 3 and mazda 6 are starting at 22k.

although i admit i would like some kind of silvia revival and it sounds like a good idea, i have come senses that no motor corp will likely take it on.. above are my reasonsings. no turbo rwd car will be available that cheap. and the ones out on the market today are ugly.

Trueno (http://www.autoblog.com/2007/08/10/report-toyota-fuji-heavy-looking-to-team-on-ae86-revival-ta/)

/Shoots down whole argument with one word. minus the turbo.

[0100]

Well he finally admits he has an ego which was pretty much what was fueling this whole debate.

I stepped out of it because I had made my points. I had called him on his mistakes and accusations. True that, in public it would not have gone on,because everyone would have been rolling, when I proved his points were baseless without true facts.

You should be a politician. What mistakes did you call me out on? How the hell can I give you facts on a car that isn't finished yet. Just like you can't provide facts on the gt-r because it isn't out yet. You need to read this again. #/f/showpost.php?p=1568205&postcount=36

Looks pretty IMO to me. I feel like I am on a merry-go-round with you.


You cannot take a car built mostly as a track machine only and then base it against a production vehicle, any production vehicle! Its not a rational scientific comparison.

How is my car built mostly as a track machine only? It will have full stock interior, airbags, carpet. No difference in my evo then any other evo running the street. What is it because I have coilovers? Tons of street cars are running coilovers. The ohlins run smoother than a stock evo suspension. That is a fact, ask anyone who runs the ohlins. If you think my evo is a built track machine... then man you need some help.


You think the GTR is overpriced

Yup and I think my built evo is also overpriced, but I wanted awd and 5 seats so I had to pay the premium to get it. Could have went with a bunch of other cars and gotten the same performance for cheaper. A single seater formula car will run circles around the evo and be cheaper but it's only a 1 seater with no boot, and not road legal. So had to pay the premium if I want that crap. If you want the allure of the gt-r badge, supercar looks you are going to have to pay a premium.

You think its a great car

I was really hoping it was going to be great, but the weight and dubs(more so then the price) have turned me off.

You think your EVO is the absolute tits to the world

Nope, and for the record I think the evo is the one of the stupidest looking cars on earth, but you don't see it when you are in the drivers seat. Function over form.

You think your tits to the world EVO with insane amounts of cash can beat the GTR.

:D So what does that make the $68k price tag of the gt-r then. Pretty fucking insane, and I won't even be close to $48k never mind $68k.

The only two valid points to the whole thread are your thinking the GTR is overpriced and you thinking its still a nice car. Unless of course your lieing in one of your previous statements about how you respect it.

The engine, suspension, and awd I am sure I will respect. The bloated chassis, interior and dubs I will not.

Everything else has been speculation on your part which I had proved and others had proved several times. Instead of just saying ya I don't have figures but I think I can do it, you insisted it was a fact. Yet you submitted no proof. (speculative HP build numbers are flimsy proof)

I never said I had figures. Please quote me. I said all we can do is wait for both cars to come out. I posted track time and video of a similar built evo and what a stock zo6(gt-r should be close) dose at the same track(lrp) and said that was the best I can do for now. I never insisted it was fact. This is like the second time you keep trying to say I am posting shit as facts. Learn how to read. Do you really think a 3000lb evo making 500 awhp(my projected weight and hp) is that hard to do. I am not saying something crazy like 2500lb 800hp.

When proven with facts by others and I, you started throwing other cars into the mix to avoid admitting you had been exposed on the speculation front. That is a Ego manauver which you finally admitted you had and exposed that for it.

How the hell can you prove something with facts when the god damn car isn't even out yet. We are both speculating, well at least I am, you I guess have all the facts. The ring times aren't even official yet you moron.

Had you only sucked it up originally and said you know what guys I will go out and get the figures to show this would not have gone on for as long as it did.
Honestly, if you think you can do it and go out and do it, I would prop you. I won't prop or respect anyone that makes wild assumptions like you have without doing the footwork.

What figures do you need? It's 500awhp on a built 4g63. You think that is a wild assumption? wow...

As it stands the points that should end this discussion right now are:

the GTR has lapped the ring 1 second faster than GT2

I haven't seen any official times, and it better not be the "evo" $$$ version. I really doubt it is the base $68k gt-r on stock tires, but if they get that boat around the ring that fast that is pretty amazing. Waiting on official $68k gt-r times.


In final to do your comparison right . We would have to take a new EVO and bolt on parts to bring it up to the cost of the GTR and then start the testing.

Ok I will sell my evo roller and buy an X because that will be a fair comparison. wtf We aren't talking about a made up car. I am building an actual car that I intent to compare to a gt-r and every other car that is on the street, 1/4 and track. Guess what when a turbo miata runs circles around me, I am going to say I lost. Not some excuse "well it's not the same class", "well it will never be the kind of car the evo is".


In the end though most people would still cry foul. Though they are both AWD, they are two completely different classes of cars. That will never fall into the same catagory and were built with two different purposes in mind.

No such thing as a catagory on the street or track days. Calling foul is an excuse bitch move. If I lost, I lost, I don't care if it was an enzo that raped me, I still lost. I can't stand people who use excuses in life "I can't go to the gym today I'm tired." Fagot ass excuse.

Now maybe you could build a EVO to beat it. It would never be the kinda of car the GTR is going to be.

Trust me I don't want my evo to weight 3800lbs or roll on twenty ones.

That pretty much renders the basis of your arguement irrelevant to reality.
Its been fun but once again its pointless.



It's funny because it's your argument that is irrelevant in reality. There are no catagories or classes on the street or track and that brother is reality.

Yes I know there are classes for race cars but 1)we are talking about street cars and 2)that is to keep power to weight ratio the same and allow the sport to be a more driver oriented. So please don't go the race car route with your rebuttal. If we are talking full out race cars the IX cyber evo beat the gtr's, just a little fyi. Man someone should tell them the ct9a chassis will never be the kind of car the gtr is.

[0100]

I dont honestly even feel like getting into this "argument" because it is a waste of time. Not to mention that this isnt even an argument. Arguing against 0100 is just stupid. There is no way around it. For the money you CAN have a faster car, faster around a track, and faster in a straight line. For the same money you can have a faster car that has leather seats and an in dash TV.(if that is your idea of luxury, to me its just a waste, cloth feels way nicer. Not to mention who in the name of all things holy buys a GTR for luxury? Has any skyline out there been for luxury? ever? My ass you buy a GTR for luxury) For the money of a new GTR I could have civic faster in the 1/4 mile and a fucking VW Golf faster around the track. Arguing over money and numbers is bullshit. I could build an evo faster then a GTR it wouldnt be hard.(I dont really see how spending 9G's so someone else can put together your motor is "building" but that is beside the point. Would I take a 10 second Evo that laps the Nurburging in 7:30 and has 3 in dash TV's with Panda Coat interior over a new GTR? Are you out of your fucking mind?? Of course not.

I hope your rambling about leather interior, luxury, and tv's wasn't directed to me. Everything I have written has been anti leather and lux. The crappy stock cloth interior I have in the evo (which I said was the nicest I have ever owned) is too nice for me. If it wasn't for my wife and son it would be gone with a single race bucket in it's place.

Now, lets be realistic here Peter Pan. Noone looking at GTR's wants a race car. They arent looking simply at numbers or number of features. They are looking at the car as a whole.

I never said anything about a race car, but we are talking about performance cars so yes numbers do matter and because looks, exhaust note, interior is all subjective they should be left out of the debate when comparing performance cars.

Is your definition of a great car really lap times?

Actually I do when we are talking performance cars. When I bought my truck no.



Im sure you have all heard of BMW's saying "The ultimate driving machine". This is a name for a spec list. This list encompasses everything, from the thickness of the steering wheel, to the steering ratio to the stiffness of the accelerator. All great engineering companies(IMO BMW, Honda, Nissan, Ferrari, Mazda) have spec lists such as these. No shitty, break down all the time, designed by hot wheels, cheaply built Mitsubishi has anything like this. I have driven Evo's, STi's, Euro's, ricers, everything. Nothing, to me, beats the feeling of sitting in a well built car. You feel one with the maching sitting in an M3, or an S2000, or a Syline, or even a Miata. These cars are well designed cars, and by well designed I dont mean that they look good, which they do.(some cars dont have to hide themselves with giant wings, ugly bumpers and fucking spikes on the roof). Im talking about the stuff that doesnt transfer into numbers. Im talking about the stuff that makes you smile each time you sit down, the stuff that makes you feel one with the car.

:bowrofl: "ultimate driving machine"

That was a bunch of subjective rambling. That was as bad as me saying I drive a formula car in the scca.

You dont buy cars to be fast, you dont buy cars for the leather, or for the monstrosity of the spoiler. In short, I feel that your argument is that of a prepubescent boy obsessed with Fast and the Furious. Yea, your evo is faster, at the end of the day im driving home in a GTR and your chasing after your crank (nothing like crankwalk) with a faster time slip.

I thought we are talking about performance cars, I would hope you buy them to be fast. I know I do.

What evo IX has ever had crankwalk issues. Better get your facts straight bro.

At the end of the day you are driving home in a GTR. :bowrofl: You say the mighty GTR gets beat by another car cheaper no less, yet you still say it so proud... "but at the end of the day im driving home in a GTR". Classic fan boy at it's best.

Oh and about your Evo being faster, more reliable, and more luxurious(I dont by the whole star trek coilover BS). Im ready for the timeslip...

When the hell did I ever say it was more luxurious? Two identical cars with the only difference being one has well designed coilovers. You don't think well designed and setup coilovers are worth time on a road course?

Ps: I didnt mean to be this personal, but Im really sick of people saying Ferrari's are overrated because they could build a supra twice as fast with half the money. The exhaust note of Ferrari's alone is enough to purchase one.

I am not saying they are overrated just overpriced. If you can have a car that can perform the same for cheaper, then the ferrari is overpriced. Now if you want the looks and exhaust note of the ferrari then you are going to have to pay the premium to get it.





What it comes down to is drift freaq and VTECommie, you both basically feel an evo VIII/IX (or a turbo miata for that matter :D) can't be compared to a gt-r. For whatever reason(age of car, car type, drivetrain setup, etc) other cars can't be compared to the mighty gt-r. So you guys live in fantasy forum/magazine world where everyone on the street, track and strip has a new car... and that new car will only be compared to the car(s) it was compared to in the car mags. The gt-r can only rightfully be compared to a 997tt, right? I have news for you when you get on the street or at a track day your world comes crashing down and reality sets in. You see everything from monster 911's to stock honda civics. I know my weapon isn't going to be a bag full of excuses.

You can't throw up a magazine or claim "not in the same class" in the real world.

That is just excuses and bitch loser talk. I will post 1/4 mile times and road course lap times in spring of next year. If the gt-r or any car for that matter is faster(and there will be plenty cars faster I am sure), I will say I lost. I am not going to say well that twin turbo zo6 cost more, or only has two seats, or I get better gas milage so I didn't really lose.

3000/500 vs 3800/500 :rofl:

[kouki_s14]

You can't throw up a magazine or claim "not in the same class" in the real world.

That is just excuses and bitch loser talk. I will post 1/4 mile times and road course lap times in spring of next year. If the gt-r or any car for that matter is faster(and there will be plenty cars faster I am sure), I will say I lost. I am not going to say well that twin turbo zo6 cost more, or only has two seats, or I get better gas milage so I didn't really lose.

3000/500 vs 3800/500 :rofl:


It is NOT in the same class. Period. It is the real world, yet you seem to be the only person comparing a Evo to a GTR. They are worlds apart. It is not bitch loser excuses. You're just being hard-headed and wont accept the fact that the two cars cant be compared the way you're doing it.

You want to be a bit more fair on this debate then compare new vs new. Everything in the car has to be brand spanking new, none of this 10,000 rolling chassis crap. There are no used GTR or rolling chassis GTRs to building a Evo against, so forget that. Both cars will have that dam new car smell, okay?

So 68,000 minus 30,000 for your Evo so you get 38,000 to work with. You paid 8k for your motor builder, you got 30. Next your coilovers alone was 4 so you're already down to 26. So to start competing with a GTR performance wise you still need:

Rest of suspension components ~$3,000
- All links, bars, bushings, control arms, etc
(based aprox. off of all spl stuff for a 240)
Chassis stiffening(without cage) ~$1,000
- Foam, strut bars, misc bars
Power upgrades ~ $7,000
- Turbo, pistons, rods, rings, cams, valves, crank, springs etc
(for 500+ hp in a Mitsu 4 cylinder, you better have some good shit)
- Thick ass IC core + piping, intake, exhaust
Cooling upgrades ~ $1,000
- Radiator, hose, thermo, fans
Drivetrain upgrades ~ $5,000
- Twin/triple plate clutch, flywheel, half shafts, drives shafts, and again more halfs shafts
- Not to mention there are 3 differentials
Fuel upgrades ~ $2,000
- Injectors, rail, fpr, AN lines, pump(s), etc
Wheels + tires ~ $4,000
- TE37s can get pricey if you want 10.5 widths for the 305 tires
Bodywork/Aero - $1500
- carbon fiber crap to lighten whatever you want to
- Fender flares for your 305 tires with custom work

Thats $24,500, soooo you have $1,500 left to buy the dvd navi and get penske to rebalance your suspension. Good luck.

Okay so i went low and high on some of the components, you can then take into account LABOR. Why labor you ask? You're doing it yourself?

NO, that is not an option, the GTR was built for you by someone else, so your Evo should be built for you by someone else. Has to be fair right? Shit if i could buy the GTR in pieces, it would be way cheaper and i could put it together myself. But dammit i cant, so, once again, TO BE FAIR, the Evo should be pieced together for you as well. No lego builders allowed.

I cant believe you cant understand what EVERYONE is trying to tell you, get over it, no one cares or likes what you Evo will be against a GTR. Sorry im starting to have an attitude, but you called me out by saying we were making bitch loser talk excuses.

Just get it through your thick head that none of us are going to compare it to an Evo, built or not. We dont care, it's a different class of car and comparing it is idiotic. An Evo will never become a GTR, stop trying to make it one.

[ThatGuy]

How did a Thread, started by a "Bot" about Nissan's asking price for their new vehicle, turn into a stupid debate like this?

This is waaaaaaay Off Topic and counter-productive.

I'm closing this up.

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