Heads up: Quicker Steering Ratio

[Rennen]

I stumbled across this while looking for rally tires:

http://column.landefabrication.com/

Looks like they attach a small gear box on the bottom of the steering column to quicken the ratio.

I don't know of anyone who rallys these, but I'm sure the drift crowd ought to reap the benefits of 2 turns lock to lock.

I'm not affiliated in anyway, just spreading the word. Have fun! :2f2f:

-Matt

[Kouki]

Old news. Those steering quickner boxes have been around for ever in dirt track racing. There are even a couple different ratios 1.5-1 and 2-1. With just a little time and a welder you can put one on anything you want.

[Andrew Bohan]

oh yeah those are getting more common

rhys millen uses em on his drift cars. some local guy has one in his corolla too

[Symyn240]

I run this setup, Eric used mine to prototype for the s13!!! I LOVE IT!!

[yokotas13]

500 bucks
fuck that

[Jung918]

There was a company in canada that made them for subaru a while back. Don't know if they still do it but I do remember that they used to go for a thousand dollars.

[Kouki]

DIY and save tons of money. Click this link: Right Here! (http://www.speedwaymotors.com/p/2030,177_Small-Body-21-Steering-Quickener.html)

And buy this
http://www.speedwaymotors.com/eccStoreFront/product_images/900-949%202ND/910-32231_R.jpg

and save your self about $300+ by doing it your self.

[smelly240]

u can use the 2:1 and a HICAS front rack and have it be like 1/2 turn lock to lock :P (exagerration)

[614duece40]

seems like these would be hard to use on the streets, seems more fit for a full out race car. but nice concept though.

[driftenthusiast]

u can use the 2:1 and a HICAS front rack and have it be like 1/2 turn lock to lock :P (exagerration)
Any more info about the HICAS rack? I haven't heard about that before.

[blu808]

the jasper supra had one when i was the head mechanic. Conrad and tyler really swore by it. I would fo it only for a track car though.

[sideview_180sx]

so you would rather have the steering wheel turn like a go-kart then?? Wouldn't it work better to have the suspension and chassis fully done up to take better advantage of this. Seems like you want to make small quick moves of the hands while driving. Rather than smooth and controlled(looking) steering inputs. I'd think you PS pump would really want to hate you and burn out quickly from how rapid the rack would move. Personally a car w/o PS would benefit best.

BTW Hicas cars have a different ratio. Apparently the wheels are able to have more angle (greater ackerman)

[KA24DESOneThree]

I don't understand why a quicker steering column ratio would have any effect on your steering inputs. It'd just make it so you require less lock to correct slides.

Already with all the spherical bearings I can sneeze and change lanes. This combined with wider tires would be a recipe for fatigue on the street.

On a threadjacking note, why does my S13's steering feel so damn numb? My overweight BMW has more positive feel.

[drift freaq]

Any more info about the HICAS rack? I haven't heard about that before.
Hicas Rack's hehehehehe here I go again. I hope no one accuses me of spilling the beans again on these things. Hicas front steering racks have a quicker steering ratio stock. I happen to love them. A lot of drifters in Japan love them and use them. The only drawback to a Hicas rack is finding one. Hehehehe I may have a line on rebuilt ones that I am checking on this week.
The stock ratio is roughly 1.7:1 the hicas ratio is like 1:3:1. Some people like dousan prefer the loose stock ratios i.e. the wheels do not respond immediately to your input. While people like me love the fact that my input gets transmitted to the wheels response time much quicker with a hicas rack. I know about hicas rack because I keep on winding up with hicas cars. lol. Got one for sale right now. Not the rack! The whole car. lol

[O3DigitalBath]

^the racks are pretty easily had even though normal parts stores like Advanced auto and autozone...its just they are in the $400 plus range for a damn remain.

[upSLIDEdown]

Yep, got a HICAS rack just sitting waiting to go in... I need to get off my ass. LOL And NO, I"M NOT SELLIN IT. ;-)

[Wiisass]

BTW Hicas cars have a different ratio. Apparently the wheels are able to have more angle (greater ackerman)

The HICAS rack doesn't give you more angle or change ackerman. It is just a slightly quicker ratio. It's nice to have if you're going to upgrade, but the difference isn't that great. I think it only changes lock to lock steering wheel rotation by about half a turn, so instead of 3.5 it's 3. Or something like that, I know it's not a drastic change and it does help a little.

[Gavster]

Man....Im wayyyy ahead of you guys haha jk, but Ive had one for a while...was gonna keep it hush hush but why not....Im using the 2:1, very nice piece and is very effective...ive driving a friends s13 w/ one and loved it! Bought one the very next day haha!
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h103/gkurey/IMG_2751.jpg

[Jung918]

^ stop being a tease and give us a full review.

[Gavster]

I will when my car is done silly....a full review of my friends car...well its literally like a go-kart haha. You point and it goes, counter steering happens very quickly and its very easy to sense the position on your wheel, which for me, or anyone (maybe not haha) can be hard, being at full lock and letting the wheel snap back, but then it spins what seems like 500 times changing directions...with this, movements are short and easy to guage! Hows that? Oh, install is a bitch too unless you got the column outta the car!

[a_ahmed]

Man....Im wayyyy ahead of you guys haha jk, but Ive had one for a while...was gonna keep it hush hush but why not....Im using the 2:1, very nice piece and is very effective...ive driving a friends s13 w/ one and loved it! Bought one the very next day haha!
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h103/gkurey/IMG_2751.jpg

moooore review info

[slideways2004]

what would funny as hell if someone installed it backwards and they would have to turn the wheel like 6 times from lock to lock. lol

[Agamemnon]

For those of you looking for the HICAS rack, look no further. I have had good experience with thses folks for awhile.
http://www.steeringrack.com/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=4333

[drift freaq]

For those of you looking for the HICAS rack, look no further. I have had good experience with thses folks for awhile.
http://www.steeringrack.com/product_info.php?cPath=1&products_id=4333

they are back ordered on that one unless you provide a core.

[S14DB]

Where do you put it on the 240 without hitting the exhaust?

[smelly240]

just goto an auto parts store and when u get the rack trade in your non HICAS rack for the core...

sry about bringin up those racks btw (i thought this was covered like 80 bagillion times)

down right against the rack i guess... or inside the car?

[Jung918]

^ your chances of getting a reman Hicas is slim because of all the people that switched out their non hicas for the hicas model.

[smelly240]

i got mine from a junkyard - :P i know a guy that got his from the autoparts store -

[McRussellPants]

Gross.

Cut the spindles and get more angle and tighter steering out of the deal.

Its just gonna make imputs on the wheel more apparent while your driving. Twitchy front wheels is retarded to watch.

[articdragon192]

To further make MRPs post more imaginative:

Every see Hampton's old Camaro sideways? Remember seeing how often the wheels would "wooble" as he was sideways? Yeah, that. It looked retarded, lol.

[KA24DESOneThree]

Man, and for a second there I thought most of us were considering performance, not looks.

Thanks, Viceroy, for reminding us that drifting is all about looking pretty!

[articdragon192]

It's not about the look, it's about the feel. Twitchy sucks.

[AceInHole]

It's not about the look, it's about the feel. Twitchy sucks.

I wouldn't think it'd be twitchy due to the steering ratio.... rather, it sounds like it might be a massive amount of toe-out or loose ball-joints/ steering slop, simply compounded by adding more gear driven componentry to your steering.

I've driven cars with 90deg lock to lock and they seemed fine at speed, although they were probably set up properly.

[McRussellPants]

Thanks, Viceroy, for reminding us that drifting is all about looking pretty!

You know pretty much every drifting judge on the planet will pull points if you're all over the steering wheel?


so yeah... it is about looking pretty.


how much lock on a 90 degree lock to lock? of course it doesn't matter in cars with 10 degrees of angle either way, but on a 240 with rack spacers that can do upwards of 45 that would be retarded.

[AceInHole]

how much lock on a 90 degree lock to lock? of course it doesn't matter in cars with 10 degrees of angle either way, but on a 240 with rack spacers that can do upwards of 45 that would be retarded.

Oops.. I meant 90deg center to lock, so 180 lock to lock. This was in a formula car, though.

I guess a better example might be a shifter kart, which will hit over 120 on roadcourse events. You've got a short ass wheelbase and probably a 1:1 steering ratio, while pretty much constantly one-handing the wheel while jamming the shit out of the shifter. It's also pretty much impossible to handle if it's wobbly or twitchy (i.e. aligned incorrectly).