Gun Violence: The Solution

[OptionZero]

Well, tomorrow I'm starting a job at nonprofit group that does research into gun control laws. In preparation for my new line of work I've been thinkin about the problem of gun violence and I have come up with a radical solution.

Instead of banning guns or making it hard to buy them, I think we should take a positive approach.

I would advocate the use of alternative weaponry. Bows and arrows, swords, crossbows to start out with.

We could start the campaign in the media like how cigarette companies do it. Lots of Superbowl/high-profile ads glamourizing those weapons and dissing guns.

Economically, we offer massive discounts on arrows and swords, like free lifetime blade sharpening and arroy warranties for failure to penetrate car doors. Those that trade guns in get better interest rates on their new shit.

After we get society to buy into bows and arrows and swords over guns, the next step is to get people onto knives.

Then? Blunt instruments

Eventually I want to work to nunchakus and brass knuckles.

In time I expect we'll progress to the point where we actually have to use our hands to to beat someone down...

...and c'mon, let's face it. When you gotta kill someone with your own hands, that's just plain work.

[Kn1ves]

i think the real solution to gun violence is robots

the kind from terminator

that liquifies

[OptionZero]

Someone pointed out a drawback to my plan:

poison

It's easy, it's doable, it's classic, and it never goes out of style.

Darn.

[wootwoot]

I still think Chris Rock wins. Make guns as cheap and easy to get as you want, but make bullets REALLY fucking expensive. Like a grand each. People wont wanna shoot at anything unless they really want it fucked up

[OptionZero]

That won't work. Bullets are fired through guns and my sole objective is to stop firearms related death.

A step-down plan to fists seems more appealing.

I'll pitch both ideas tomorrow, see what sticks.

[DRavenS13]

That won't work. Bullets are fired through guns and my sole objective is to stop firearms related death.

A step-down plan to fists seems more appealing.

I'll pitch both ideas tomorrow, see what sticks.

Yea, but think of how many poor ass people own guns now, and how much they're not gonna want to shoot bullets that cost $1000? Teen violence would definitely drop. The only problem with that is if people would actually be desperate enough to try to make their own bullets. That would actually be funny.

[azndoc]

Guns don't kill people

Husbands who come home early kill people.

[hayaimoto]

If someone really wants to kill another person, it doesn't take a gun to do that...but it is in most cases easier for the killer to use one.

Japan has a no-firearm act to civilians, you know how a lot of them die? Suicide and Stabbings.

Guns were design for one thing, KILLING. This is just the truth. I have guns for protection of my family and property I care about. However I would not use it towards hate.

[eastcoastS14]

hahaha I seriously doubt that plan would work....i think its even been tried before


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyBu4OFPmug


:keke:

[ayuaddict]

or give everybody guns and bullets, throw a couple racial slurs and some classic "your momma lines" into the mix, and eventually there will be nobody to operate the guns.

[mrmephistopheles]

hahaha I seriously doubt that plan would work....i think its even been tried before


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MyBu4OFPmug


:keke:

and HAN SHOT FIRST!

[tacotacotaco]

Mcgyver never needed a fuckin gun. Mcgyver probably couldve stopped the titanic from sinking

[Matej]

Take the right to bear arms out of the Constitution, then people won't be able to use that "It's my constitutional right!" excuse. I can't believe how seriously people take the Constitution, it's an outdated document that was written over 200 years ago when the society's values were completely different.


Haha.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/128834/family_guy_right_to_bear_arms/

[S14DB]

Yeah Gun Control has stopped violence in country's that have banned them...

http://www.gunsandcrime.org/auresult.html
http://www.gunsandcrime.org/crvsgraf.html

Not..

[exitspeed]

What about Japan. Aren't guns banned there...and isn't the crime rate in Japan like nothing?

[max2damax]

so you are saying we could stop global warming if we all start riding horses to work again!, kool.

I'll say, expensive bullets wont work cause you can make your own in your garage.

Here is my solution, ..... better fukcing parenting, we should have a couple of semesters in highschool (mandatory) of parenting ed. Cut the production of lethal guns in half, and keep doing so until there is very few out there. Lethal guns should only be used by law enforsment, non leathal weapons will be for the rest of us, even for haunting, (dont give me that bull that hunting is a real sport cuase it is not, just a bunch of rednecks with nothing better to do).
There problem solved. First better ed for the new generation of daddies and momies, second when demand for lethal guns goes down due to the lack of stupid kids out there you cut the production and replace it with no lethal weapons. besides its more fun to see someone suffer for a little while. :)
DOne and Done.

[Matej]

Banning something makes underground markets prosper, just like people found a way to get their sizzurp during the prohibition. You can never make something go completely away, people all over the world have guns, yet they don't shoot each other nowhere near as much as Americans do, I blame 50 Cent and Jeff Foxworthy.

[ayuaddict]

What about Japan. Aren't guns banned there...and isn't the crime rate in Japan like nothing?

i remember being a kid and getting my new years money, biking down to the local electronics store, where they sold airsoft guns (i lived in a rural ass area). and shooting the shit out of my cousins and vice versa...

but i have never seen an actual gun in japan now that i think of it.

[illvialuver]

peopel that steal shit dont care how much it costs. so they could steal the expensive bullets. i think if everyone had a gun gun control would go down, i mean i know that sounds stupid by would do all the thugs and idiots have guns?
if regular people had guns and carried them and new how to use them what do you think would happen? its liek how many assholes do you see tryign to steal a cops car or break into a cops houses? only the super rare incidents cause why? cops have guns? i honestly think guns are for pussies.
the only reason i would carry a gun is to protect myself from the pussies with them.
and as far as brass knuckles, they can do alot of damage, esp cause you dont expect it and its like BAM one hit wonder.
I just think america needs to stop dumming down the public and people need to respect other peoples rights, esp the right to live.

[HalveBlue]

Gun violence is a larger issue than the actual equipment involved. There are many places where guns are technically illegal and yet they have huge crime rates. Then there are countries that are armed to the teeth that have tremendously low crime rates; definitely lower than the US.

Basically, as someone already mentioned, it's much more of societal/psychological issue.

[ixfxi]

http://youtube.com/watch?v=ET9PJJEYByA

I still think Chris Rock wins. Make guns as cheap and easy to get as you want, but make bullets REALLY fucking expensive. Like a grand each. People wont wanna shoot at anything unless they really want it fucked up

haha i was just gonna post that

WE NEED SOME BULLET CONTROL!

[unwed_transient]

hey option, just make sure rappers replace the word gun or any derivation thereof with "katana" and/or "claymore".

we need more old-school gang confrontations, like the ones in fruity musicals and dry european history.

[wootwoot]

ooo fuck going down to fist fights. i wanna see it esculate to dance offs. Way fuckin sweet

[Jung918]

Take the right to bear arms out of the Constitution, then people won't be able to use that "It's my constitutional right!" excuse. I can't believe how seriously people take the Constitution, it's an outdated document that was written over 200 years ago when the society's values were completely different.


Haha.
http://www.metacafe.com/watch/128834/family_guy_right_to_bear_arms/

I agree it is outdated. We should also take out the freedom of speech part and illegal search and seizure stuff. It is all outdated.

I got this from another forum

"An armed man is a citizen. An unarmed man is a subject.
If guns cause crime, then pencils cause misspelled words.
Free men do not ask permission to bear arms.
If you don't know your rights, you don't have any.
Those who trade liberty for security have neither.
Guns only have two enemies; rust and politicians.
Know guns, know peace, know safety. No guns, no peace, no safety.
You don't shoot to kill; you shoot to stay alive.
Assault is a behavior, not a device.
Criminals love gun control; it makes their jobs safer.
If guns cause crime, then matches cause arson.
Only a government that is afraid of its citizens tries to control them.
You have only the rights you are willing to fight for.
Enforce the gun control laws we ALREADY have; don't make more.
When you remove the people's right to bear arms, you create slaves.
Calling an illegal alien an "undocumented immigrant" is like calling a drug dealer an unlicensed pharmacist."

[illvialuver]

first of han solo/ indy would kick the crap outta mcguyver ( and i used to watch mcguyver)

and hunting is a sport? um i dont think its sport when guys hide in a tree in camo with tree branches coming out there ass, and have deer pussy wipped on them so that way a male deer smells the tree and the guy shoots him when he is 10 feet bellow him, if they want it to be a sport, let him kill the thing with a rambo knife or his bare hands. Cause that stuff they show on espn or oln or whatever is week as hell and if thats a sport than wii bowling should be a sport.

[bamaboy]

fuck any of you who think we should giveup our right to bear arms. I don't own a gun, but if I decide I want 1 who the hell are you to tell me I can't have 1. Criminals will always have guns, and the way it's going they will be the only ones with guns.

[wootwoot]

Reguarding the constitution, Jefferson and Franklin expected it even hoping it that it be re written every generation or two. I mean I think we should be allowed to have guns....kinda

[Jung918]

I was being sarcastic with my statement. If you want to take my guns, then you better dodge my bullets.

[ThatGuy]

I will say that the civilian population does NOT need fully automatic weapons or armor piercing rounds.

That's pretty much my take on Gun Control. Everything else is cool.

[Dirty Habit]

I will say that the civilian population does NOT need fully automatic weapons or armor piercing rounds.

That's pretty much my take on Gun Control. Everything else is cool.

Then how will we lead the revolution to overtake our government should the need arise?!!?!?

/Sarcasm.

[wootwoot]

I dont see why we need anything bigger then a .22

[S14DB]

What about Japan. Aren't guns banned there...and isn't the crime rate in Japan like nothing?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Crime_in_Japan


More culture than Guns. They still violently stab each other and themselves.

[2ilvia]

this is the governments plan;
1. take guns from civilians
2. "give" them to criminals
3. say, whoa guns are causing crime and
4. create a police state and remove criminals
5. keep the country in a state of police and lie to the people saying, "if we remove this police state the criminals will just began to kill again blah blah blah"
6. police state = civilians completely controlled like slaves

so never give up your guns folks, yes even your automatic and armor piercing guns, in fact go buy some right now

[OptionZero]

ooo fuck going down to fist fights. i wanna see it esculate to dance offs. Way fuckin sweet

Fuck your dance off. Pull a page out of Zoolander's book...WALK OFF!!!

In all seriousness

I started this as a joke, but really, I'd like to clarify a few things:

1. Yes, guns do not kill people- people kill people. I will never concede that point because it is true.

2. Yes, we need better parenting, but we also need a better society in general. Big picture is that many factors lead to violent crime, not just the tools used therein.

3. Guns aren't going to prevent the government from establishing a police state. It's the converse of points 1 and 2. People want to oppose gun control because guns aren't responsible for crime- you must equally admit, then, more factors go into a fascist state than simply the tools one uses in a hypothetical fight against such an entity. Ignorance, voter apathy, lack of education, and much else plays a part.

4. There are some freaks who don't want any guns at all because they're homosexual. Yeah, that's right I said it.

5. There are some freaks who want guns because it somehow makes them feel smarter/better/more American/wutever. Brokeback hicks.

6. Here's the truth: the gun control shouldn't be about the extremes in points 4 and 5- it's about the real people that lie between.

There is, frankly, no reason for have an automatic weapon in your house/school/place of work (not counting the military, who should have the best fucking laser weapons we can make).

The place were I'm working at doesn't have any problem with *people* owning guns- but we do have a problem with retards/felons/domestic violence offenders/child rapists/restraining ordered/kids having funs.

I doubt we (and really i've only been here a day) would never propose a blanket, all-encompassing gun ban, and if we did, I'd probably kit. But it makes too much sense not to put time and effort into making sure guns don't present an *opportunity* for an accident or tragedy to happen, and I hope all or most of you can agree with that much at the very least.

I applaud the people who would freely admit that bad parenting is the problem when they leave an Ak47 lying on the couch and their kid blows his head off, but that applause might be a little hollow in light of the population control that just took place.

And on a lighter note, I have a solution for those that fear the government taking over after they ban guns:

Mandatory UFC-training for all school children, beginning in kindergarten. The Man might take our guns, but try oppressing a population of Jet Li's (Once Upon a Time in China version).

[Andrew Bohan]

should make it mandatory to carry a gun at all times, and mandatory classes and tests and stuff.

then who the fuck would rob anybody?

[HalveBlue]

I'm all for gun control.

I'm all against a gun ban.

I think it's ridiculous that it's harder to get a driver's license in this country than it is to get a firearm.

[mrmephistopheles]

I will say that the civilian population does NOT need fully automatic weapons or armor piercing rounds.

That's pretty much my take on Gun Control. Everything else is cool.

I actually disagree with you on this. My feeling is that civilians should be permitted to possess any firearm they like, provided they have a clean criminal history, are willing to show proficiency in safe firearms handling and the completion of training for the same, as well as provide secure storage for said weaponry.

Criminals won't be interested in doing all that - they don't go for the legal guns anyway. Fully automatic weapons are all but useless for 98% of criminals, and the 2% that would want to use them are batshit crazy enough to do whatever it takes to get them - laws won't help there.

Then how will we lead the revolution to overtake our government should the need arise?!!?!?

/Sarcasm.

Joke all you want, but I believe that the day a government works against it's people instead of for them is the day that government needs to be replaced.

I dont see why we need anything bigger then a .22

It's not a matter of caliber sizing. All firearms are equally dangerous. Tons of mob hitmen prefer the .22 because it has a softer report and a tendency to bounce around within a body/skull. If you hunt deer, a .22 will be all but useless unless you can somehow Splinter Cell your way up to the deer and hit it point blank in the dome.

so never give up your guns folks, yes even your automatic and armor piercing guns, in fact go buy some right now

...and never give up your rights, either.

should make it mandatory to carry a gun at all times, and mandatory classes and tests and stuff.

then who the fuck would rob anybody?

There's an article somewhere out on the interwebs comparing two towns, one in middle america and one in Failorida. Town A passed a law that required all heads of household to own one firearm - a handgun if memory serves right. Town B passed a law banning all handguns. This was all done ~20 years ago.

Anyhow, nowadays, Town A has an extremely low crime rate and is booming, while Town B is smaller now than it was before the law passed, and the crime rate is twice the national average.

Not a scientific test for sure, but food for thought.

I'm all for gun control.

I'm all against a gun ban.

I think it's ridiculous that it's harder to get a driver's license in this country than it is to get a firearm.


The crux of the matter is that a firearm is a deadly weapon, and that our right to bear arms isn't based on our capability to do so responsibly. You can ban all the guns from the world, and people will find other ways of killing each other.

Guns have only been around a few hundred years - look at the wholesale slaughter mankind has taken part in in the past. Having guns isn't a necessity to committing atrocity and genocide.
You can keep building more and more dangerous weapons and simply lock them away, and it's the same net effect.
Guns don't equal crime.
Crime happens regardless of whether or not a weapon is present.
Look at Enron - those fuckers looted the joint and didn't so much as brandish a switchblade.
Guns don't equal murder.
People have been killing each other since Grok came back to the cave and saw Ahk boinking Stur. Guns are just another possible means to an end.

[supad0rk]

New commercials advertising air tasers. Fun for you, fun for me, fun for everyone! Has the feel of a gun, stabs like a.... needle on a wire... and sends a few thousand volts through someone! And thats how differences and miscommunication will be handled, last person not puking or shitting themselves is the winnaaar!

CA has the ban on full autos and it isn't doing much, once the internet had a "How to build your own sub-machine gun" I think everything started going downhill

[max2damax]

I'm all for gun control.

I'm all against a gun ban.

I think it's ridiculous that it's harder to get a driver's license in this country than it is to get a firearm.


I dont know about that,... there a whole lot of idiot drivers out there.:2f2f:

[HalveBlue]

I dont know about that,... there a whole lot of idiot drivers out there.:2f2f:

Yeah. So now imagine how much worse it would be if nobody was mandated to pass any sort of driving test.

[VROOOM]

there would be less gun violence if you actually served hard time for killing someone, not 7 years and your done. i think if you kill someone you should be locked up for at least 30 years, no parole.

[steve shadows]

I will say that the civilian population does NOT need fully automatic weapons or armor piercing rounds.

That's pretty much my take on Gun Control. Everything else is cool.

I disagree:)


awww were starting to learn in this thread

there would be less gun violence if you actually served hard time for killing someone, not 7 years and your done. i think if you kill someone you should be locked up for at least 30 years, no parole.


but drug dealers on average can get more time than people who commit volentary manslaughter...or even murder...

Our prison's are overflowing with drug addicts or dealers.

I think the answer is to leave gun control right where it is.

A LOT of the crime and murders committed in this country and logged as crime statistics , especially in the south west are from accross the border gangs and drug lords that run over into local community, often these guns were sold in peru, make russia and used in LA.

It has very little to do with johnny taking daddies gun out of unlocked safe and blowing salley's brains out on accident.

Research statistics then quit the non-profit group because they FAIL at the constitution, makes me worry abotu what I will be doing after law school...

Fighting for Rapist's rights! naw who knows

[OptionZero]

you could sit in an office and write contracts all day while collecting $160k base salary + bonuses + perks + afternoon blowjobs

[jdm538]

i didnt read what people posted but my view is people should be able to bare arms.

the next time a cool guy decides to pull out a nine and rob me, he will think twice because i might have a .45... everyone with a good record should be allowed to carry a firearm, it would be badass if it didnt have to be concealed. cuz having a pepper spray belt clip isnt as intimidating as having a shiny gun.

[steve shadows]

you could sit in an office and write contracts all day while collecting $160k base salary + bonuses + perks + afternoon blowjobs

I see your offer sir and raise you life!

...sounds good im there

[ThatGuy]

I disagree:)


awww were starting to learn in this thread


Properly trained individuals can fire a semi-automatic weapon almost as fast as some full auto weapons and typically more accurately as well. That is Gun "Control". Look at the US Military. They went away from the inaccurate M16-A1 with it's full auto capabilities, to the more accurate M16-A2 that only has 3 round burst. Sure, we still have plenty of full auto options, but the most common weapons found on todays battlefields are semi-automatic. That says something.

I'm not talking about "violating rights". I'm talking about making people who own guns learn to use the properly.

Learning is fun. :D

[mrmephistopheles]

i didnt read what people posted but my view is people should be able to bare arms.
everyone with a good record should be allowed to carry a firearm, it would be badass if it didnt have to be concealed.


That's the whole point of the right to bear arms.

You should be allowed to walk around in public places while visibly armed without repercussion. Obviously, walking into a private place (business/residence/bank, etc) while armed isn't kosher, but that's not what the law's protecting.

I'm not sure about the rest of the country, but Texas is actually good about this point - you can walk around with two 6-guns on your hips and people will barely bat an eye about it. Try THAT in Los Angeles and see how fast you get shot by a cop.

[backroadtouge]

i think we have good gun control laws todate, its just people dont follow them as they should.
i went and looked at a lever action shotgun yesterday, it was so rad!
i am a believer of a gun holders liscense for handguns. besides, no way in hell i could get meat off a deer with a automatic rifle i shot off 10rounds in a second with

but yeah, i always take the view towards killings and over tight gun control;
outlaw guns people will use knives, outlaw knives people will use bow&arrows, out aw bow&arrows people will throw pointy sticks, outlaw sticks they grab rocks, outlaw rocks, then theyd just give up and use at hand whatever they can.

[2ilvia]

there would be less gun violence if you actually served hard time for killing someone, not 7 years and your done. i think if you kill someone you should be locked up for at least 30 years, no parole.

i dont remember exactly where but some city in Uhmerica there was a mayoral election not long ago . the city had a high gun crime rate. one of the candidates promised he would bring gun violence down to almost zero if he was elected, well he WAS elected and within several days there was almost no gun violence to speak of because those criminals who were too dumb to read the newspaper were the examples of the mayors new law; KILL SOMEONE WITH A GUN AND ITS THE ELECTRIC CHAIR. an eye for an eye

[steve shadows]

haha true, I shot M16A1 when i was like 15 in Civil Air Patrol Encampment.

We got to do full auto, some kids who never shot guns looked like they were going to cry and wre complaining about their shoulder...

Im like its only .223.

or 5.56 its not like its recoil king pussy

[BOROSUN]

shit, im a ninja and i need a gun.

how else im i going to stop zombies.

[KA24DESOneThree]

From my cold, dead hands.

I would die to keep my guns, and you can go fuck yourself if you think I'm going to give them up. I'm not going to become prey just because some senator with a little jump in his or her step can misread statistics and overlook the truth while searching for votes.

Who stopped the school shooting in Pearl, Mississippi? A vice-principal with a 1911. Who stopped the school shooting at Appalachian Law School in Grundy, Virginia? Two students with guns. Who stopped the school shooting in Edinboro, Pennsylvania? A restaurant owner with a shotgun.

I have a 10-round fixed-mag AR-15 because of California's assault weapons ban. I am currently working towards both a Remington 870 and a SIG P229, as well as a nice little S&W 642 to keep next to the bed. I also need a decent rifle chambered in at least .308 just in case we have a "Red Dawn" situation; we have a 22-250 but it's a target gun. All of those would be my solution to gun violence against my family and against myself.

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