ls1 + gt47=badass

[civilized_drifter]

i got this off my local fourm i just thought i would share it with the 240 crowd
http://www.tennesspeed.net/forums/showthread.php?t=40218


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[Ninjabread]

Does it drift?











Haha, on a serious note, that is some SERIOUS work right there.

[240sx_LE]

that is one gigantic turbo...

[BBSilvia]

damn that thing is badass

[ms!3]

thats pretty badass.

[YoungRookie]

Total sickness that is a piece of art work right there. I would love to see some actions shots and/or a video of this beast doing its buisness

[ferris]

that looks sweet...

[coreansurfer]

my GOD, that is amazing.

[opponheimer]

My jaw is dropped..

[GoldenLeg]

Nice daily driver:bigok: ...lol





:drool:

[eastcoastS14]

http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w166/maxlopes/big-blackcopy.jpg

[ixfxi]

that car is SO domestic


why

is all i can say

americans.

[realslow]

i am guessing they are trying to take this to the streets, kinda interested in 3 things, i really dont feel like joining another forum to look at the rest cause i am pleased as is. if anyone one on that forum knows more about my questions post it up or pm me

1. more pics of where the down pipe goes
2. why they decided to keep the stock dash,
3. how much to convert my rear-end..............joke

[koukimonster139]

its nice work and nice parts.... just so not my style



why not have all the mechanicals the same and make it.. oh i dunno, look good?

[WILDACEX187]

its nice work and nice parts.... just so not my style



why not have all the mechanicals the same and make it.. oh i dunno, look good?

form over function maybe and im pretty sure that car will be able to perform.

on a side note is having a live axle at rear better for drag? more traction?

[Tearlessj]

Wow that thing is a beast. Im guessing they are shooting for the 9's. Hats off to the builder on this one.

[?coupe240¿]

http://i107.photobucket.com/albums/m300/shanemullarkey/verynice.gif.

[drift freaq]

The live axle at the rear smacks of a southern U.S. hotrodder. While the work looks clean I have to join ixfxi in his feelings. Such a waste of a good Japanese car just to be Amurican 1 duh!! I am sure its real fast in the quarter mile but ya you might as well just do that with an American car to begin with. Should have kept the multilink suspension.

[xblack240x]

Gotta agree with drift freaq as well as ixfxi that thats a lot of hard work... But just not something I prefer with a japanese car... Well to each their own... Lets get a vid or time slip for the 1/4 mile with this monster of a car...

[mr_240sx]

not ym style but great craftmansship!

[wootwoot]

on a side note is having a live axle at rear better for drag? more traction?

no camber or toe arc to worry about, tires planted firm. That thing is going to whip some serious ass in the street class....haha!

[KA-T_240]

Wow that thing is a beast. Im guessing they are shooting for the 9's. Hats off to the builder on this one.

I would think faster the 9s. Ivan is in the extremely low 9's the last i looked and he has OEM style rear suspension.

That thing is BA!


On a side note, I saw at gt47 in person last night and DAMN they are big. It made the 3 gt42s on cars next to it look tiny

[aznpoopy]

thats some nice work... wow

looks like he has the same cheapo jack as me though. lol

[S14DB]

that car is SO domestic


why

is all i can say

americans.

Swap a whole chevy drivetrain and suspension into a 240 just doesn't make sense to me ether...

[Anto]

FUCK.

that's work.


r33 headlights too?

[mothon]

Not really my style either but i like it.....Good work.

[projekt_s13]

Nice work but its too domestic, probably would have been cheaper and faster if it was done on a domestic car. They wouldnt have spent so much on custom parts to convert the rear end.

[ayuaddict]

needs to be lower.

har. har. har.

[3-240's-N-aMule]

Guys get real. The 240sx is a usdm car and is made for the american market. It comes with a ka, not an sr. So why cant he give his car some american flare seeing how it was changed to suite, huh, wha? The american market... Maybe they shoulda stuck a body kit on it with equips and be like every other 240... with a "jdm tyte yo" theme to it.

[atom]

Well what's the point of using a 240? Seems like a lot of work when domestics are a dime a dozen. If they had started with a F-Body or whatever they could have saved themselves a lot of time and money? It's not like 240's are some wonder chassis.

Judging from the pics they obviously know what they're doing as functionality goes so them using a 240 chassis makes even less sense, unless they like had a shell laying around the shop or something.

[PoorMans180SX]

+1 for nice work, wrong chassis.

[420sx]

ugh what a waste. but whatever

[3-240's-N-aMule]

Well what's the point of using a 240? Seems like a lot of work when domestics are a dime a dozen. If they had started with a F-Body or whatever they could have saved themselves a lot of time and money? It's not like 240's are some wonder chassis.

Judging from the pics they obviously know what they're doing as functionality goes so them using a 240 chassis makes even less sense, unless they like had a shell laying around the shop or something.

They get -1 since this already been done before including a full vette drive train swap into a civic hatch so its not original.
Do you have any idea how much a f body weighs? Its like driving a brick on wheels and even with that big factory engine you still feel every pound its fat ass is carrying. So its makes sense why someone would pick a s14 to build a all out drag car, cheap cheap, rwd, simple platform, easy to find cheap.
Civics and 240s take the cake when it comes to finding one a dime a dozen. especially when compared to a domestic, but who would put a ls1 with a gt47 in a fwd civic?
Headlights are disgusting though.

[EJ253]

so sick! i dont see a lot of drag cars that i think are cool

R33 headlights?

[dirtdiggler666]

meah not my cup of tea but everyone saying why waste a good jap car i kinda say the same, but im sure the chevy guys are say why waste a good ls1, as far as the 4 link ford 9'' in the rear that shit is gay i hate tubbed cars if your comes irs keep it irs. their are cars going 7's in the 1/4 so i say if it was still irs and looked stock it would be kinda cool:-/

[nassin31spr]

I like the fabrication but I just don't get wasting that much money on a project like that.

[ixfxi]

Gotta agree with drift freaq as well as ixfxi that thats a lot of hard work... But just not something I prefer with a japanese car... Well to each their own... Lets get a vid or time slip for the 1/4 mile with this monster of a car...

yeah.. i thought everyone would misunderstand my negativity and talk shit, but im proud.. you guys actually understood my point.

i dont care for the car because its the wrong platform for a drag car.

but hey, who am i to say? the owner has the balls, money and choice to do whatever he wants (ide say she, but no woman fabricates like that... let alone fabricates).

to the owner, nice job on the actual fab work, because needless to say.. its fantastic looking, great attention to detail. personally, i just dont like drag cars.. hence the reason i cant even appreciate this.

i mean i *can* appreciate it, but i just wont.. because i dont care for many domestic cars, let alone a 240SX converted domestic car.

cheers
old_s13

[S14DB]

no camber or toe arc to worry about, tires planted firm. That thing is going to whip some serious ass in the street class....haha!

yeah, I remember when they were using that excuse to get rid of the Cobra's IRS. Rather than learn how to drive the car.

You can't dead hook a IRS you have to slingshot/preload it. A lot of people don't want to learn this skill so they make up excuses.

I'd rather go forward then go into a wheel stand.

[Tearlessj]

It would be pretty cool to see a 240 out run a liter bike. Wonder how much power its going to put down.

[Bad40r7]

pretty funny thats its no good just because it doesnt go sideways. Its an awesome build with alot of money, and alot of time into, id like to see any of you guys catch in any form of racing.

[614duece40]

i don't like 240's with V8 swaps, unless it's a nissan V8. but you have to respect the amount of work that went into this project.

[steve shadows]

I dont like 240sx;swit v8 swaps either.


but this car is better than a lot of fan boy fag drifting cars.

attention to detal and guts swapping will make a it a decnet platform for drag.

I mean jebeus christ there are Scions with ford 9 inch rear ends as front ends driving 30 inch slicks at all import events.

Imaginary fwd 7 second cars that are worthless for gauging anything for manuflacturers or other crap

so I say cheers, if not for anything other than having an excuse to spool a gt47 fast.

...but why the MT et streets????

You should be running slicks on this car all the time.

[pinkarrowsnow]

Nice work I like it.

[SiI40sx]

Damn you guys are some serious broke ass loser who dont appreciate shit. Thats why your on this loser broke member (most members not all) infested site. That car is fuckin badass and all the custom works makes it even more badass. And wtf is this "omg that jdm car is so not jdm anymore because it has a v8" that is the most prejudice shit I have ever heard. Thats like saying a beautiful white girl should marry a rich white man, not a black guy because thats not american. But its cool, Ive made my place in zilvia and know who and who not to assocaite with. / rant

[S14DB]

I love how people defending this as a JDM vs domestic BS.

The engine and the GT47 are nice and probably going to be a powerful setup. The problem lies with why he replaced the superior IRS system with a live axle setup.

[SiI40sx]

I love how people defending this as a JDM vs domestic BS.

The engine and the GT47 are nice and probably going to be a powerful setup. The problem lies with why he replaced the superior IRS system with a live axle setup.

yea because the car was obviously built for one thing, the 1/4..... but your right S14DB not only that amazing fabrication should never be talked down on, seriously whats up with that

[ixfxi]

Damn you guys are some serious broke ass loser who dont appreciate shit. Thats why your on this loser broke member (most members not all) infested site. That car is fuckin badass and all the custom works makes it even more badass. And wtf is this "omg that jdm car is so not jdm anymore because it has a v8" that is the most prejudice shit I have ever heard. Thats like saying a beautiful white girl should marry a rich white man, not a black guy because thats not american. But its cool, Ive made my place in zilvia and know who and who not to assocaite with. / rant

please.

stop talking.

[FrankeBonez]

ummm, yeah thats pretty bad ass.......any video?

[dirtdiggler666]

oh god here we go round one ding ding

[SiI40sx]

please.

stop talking.

your one of those people i don't associate with

[articdragon192]

You should reconsider that, lol.

[SiI40sx]

nah i dont get along with everyone you kno edgar, honestly i dont like everyone within the "zilvia click" only a handful..... but yea leave it at that, itll get this thread closed quickly

[mayco_86]

That car is pretty sick man. But I had rather dropped a nissan motor in it just to keep it JDM. LOL

[steve shadows]

The engine and the GT47 are nice and probably going to be a powerful setup. The problem lies with why he replaced the superior IRS system with a live axle setup.

um its a drag car


IRS is not the best for drag.

its actually horrible

[aTx_S14]

ummm, yeah thats pretty bad ass.......any video?


I want to see it run!

[minime]

Looks slow....

[adictd2b00st]

lots of jdm fan boy haters in this thread , geez

theres a ton of work into that car, everything looks pretty top notch!

[ilovecoupes]

lol @ people wondering why the IRS is gone.. ITs not a little freakin drift car. if you knew anything about drag racing you would know live axle > IRS.

this build is obviously not for the JDM mad tyte drifter enthusiast. its about speed. you have to learn to open up your 1 track minds to new things. boo hoo it has american drivetrain. everything they put in there is an unbelievable upgrade from stock. who cares who made it. its what WORKS

[S14DB]

um its a drag car


IRS is not the best for drag.

its actually horrible

1999 called, they want your misinformation back.

http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/113_0502_1963_1979_corvette_irs_buildup/index.html

[str4g63]

It's perfect for going straight, It's lighter than a domestic, It's rwd key word there and Then throw in what you know about going straight.. This is the outcome and there is no doubt this thing is going to be fast.. You guys should all know this already Light plus big power is winning... The biggest advantage Honda uses.. Street and drag racer's know what im talking about.. This place is to express opinions not fight about them. I say good job, now post some ass kicking video's.

[dirtdiggler666]

ya irs sucks lets just chop up the car and stick a ford 9 in their, or we could do are homework and make it work and it will work, some people just dont understand, its bad allready that he put that engine and to make it worse he cut up the car, the engine i can understand i guess:-/ maby he just loves the looks of the s14 but when he cut the rear of the car out to me its not a s14 anymore should have just got a pinto.

damn irs sucks, this is why i love zilvia drifters think they know drag:love:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=q7QeykXmNHU

[RUTH'LESSDET]

ya irs sucks lets just chop up the car and stick a ford 9 in their, or we could do are homework and make it work and it will work, some people just dont understand, its bad allready that he put that engine and to make it worse he cut up the car, the engine i can understand i guess:-/ maby he just loves the looks of the s14 but when he cut the rear of the car out to me its not a s14 anymore should have just got a pinto.

damn irs sucks, this is why i love zilvia drifters think they know drag:love:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=q7QeykXmNHU


Wow that video is SICK!!!!!!
I hate american cars....but I respect great craftsmanship and 2002-present corvettes....oh and I love ls1 in 240's:loco: (stock!!!) but when you start swapping rear ends, tubbing and all that other shit, huge turbos it becomes wack. Thats over kill.....Be sure to post a video because im curious as to how it will run.

[cloudstrife930]

I can appreciate it, probably fast as hell, I like the 240' s ability to go sideways tho, but good drag car clean work, nice car!

[ryan hagen]

the key to that is not Irs vs LIve axle, straight axle etc. thats a built ford nine inch from the looks, its probally less ford and more aftermarket summit racing parts. nissan's R200 is nice but if that car throws down torque like i think it does the unsuported pinion on a r200 is going to be little bits on floor.
most of us are turbo 4's or 6's that LS# engine alone probally puts out more torque than any of our cars put out then add a turbo. Id have to say its alot more about need than look what i can do. That Ivan uses a ford trans, ruins the whole car doesnt it. i d also agree they used the 240 because its light, next closest is the Fox body but those rat beaters arent anything special in drag racing. who cares, its bad ass, id love to own it.

[kay_arsen]

r33 headlights sick yo

[drift freaq]

lol @ people wondering why the IRS is gone.. ITs not a little freakin drift car. if you knew anything about drag racing you would know live axle > IRS.

this build is obviously not for the JDM mad tyte drifter enthusiast. its about speed. you have to learn to open up your 1 track minds to new things. boo hoo it has american drivetrain. everything they put in there is an unbelievable upgrade from stock. who cares who made it. its what WORKS

Ok schools in. First off we are not wondering why the IRS is gone. We are wondering why do all that he did with that chassis? I.E. waste of time and money to be different.

Second: if you think 240's are only good for drift and that IRS spells drift, you need to go to road racing school. IRS is dope for all kinds of driving and 95 240's are pretty amazing sports coupes.
Third: most of us do not have one track minds in this area. If you think we do you need to shut the fuck up and start reading the forums more, like maybe the motorsports section?

Fourth: we don't have a problem with the american drivetrain. The problem we have is with the amount of hacking up he has done to the car, to install a live axle rear end in the car, at least thats the issue I have.

Fifth: Unbelievable upgrade from stock? Ya and totally useless unless used for one thing and one thing only. That is the main reason so many have issues with it. Taking something that can autocross , road race,drift and even drag if you want and turning it into a single purpose entity, is in my eyes and a lot of other forum members eyes a waste.
Now all you drag racing fanatics have all had your say the funny thing is the minute any one criticizes it you guys bring out the drifting JDM saw. Get over yourselves and you talk about us not being open minded?

P.S. some of us own classic American cars as well. So before you go making blind accusations maybe you should think.

[EDacIouSX]

why do people do that. choice in parts is highly questionable, especially the engine. I dont' question the engine, i just question the decision to put THAT engine into THAT car. As well as the rear axel and whatever crazy idea went into the construction of that car.

Ok schools in. First off we are not wondering why the IRS is gone. We are wondering why do it all that he did with that chassis i.e. waste of time and money to be different.

Second: if you think 240's are only good for drift and that IRS spells drift you need to go to road racing school. IRS is dope for all kinds of driving and 95 240's are pretty amazing sports coupes.
Third: most of us do not have one track minds in this area. If you think we do you need to shut the fuck up and start reading the forums more, like maybe the motorsports section?

Fourth: we don't have a problem with the american drivetrain. The problem we have is with the amount of hacking up he has done to the car, to install a live axle rear end in the car, at least thats the issue I have.

Fifth: Unbelievable upgrade from stock? Ya and totally useless unless used for one thing and one thing only. That is the main reason so many have issues with it. Taking something that can autocross , road race,drift and even drag if you want and turning it into a single purpose entity, is in my eyes and a lot of other forum members eyes a waste.
Now all you drag racing fanatics have all had your say the funny thing is the minute any one criticizes it you guys bring out the drifting JDM saw. Get over yourselves and you talk about us not being open minded?

P.S. some of us own classic American cars as well. So before you go making blind accusations maybe you should think.
I tatally agree with what you said.


this build is obviously not for the JDM mad tyte drifter enthusiast. its about speed.

Last time I checked, there's more ways to be fast than only in a straight line. I feel like slapping you too for labeling silvia cars as JDM mad tyte drifter cars.

Ever heard of japans Super GT series? Let me show you something:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Super_GT
scroll down, you are looking for:

Championship winners
1997 GT300
Manabu Orido
Hideo Fukuyama

RS-R Racing Team with Bandoh Nissan Silvia S14

And

2001 GT300
Nobuyuki Oyagi
Takayuki Aoki
Team Daishin Nissan Silvia S15


BTW this isn't D1 or similar to it.

[dirtdiggler666]

here is more salt
http://youtube.com/watch?v=jpra_GIn7gQ&mode=related&search=

[ixfxi]

here is more salt

thats a nice body kit, doesnt even look like an S14 anymore!

ps: nice sig.

[civilized_drifter]

i found their myspace, and they just added me
http://viewmorepics.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewPicture&friendID=186985813&albumId=749317

[carnagexxxx]

My take on this crazy build is just that... IT IS A CRAZY BUILD! You must admire the craftsmanship involved in the project.

I think people who flame something simply because they think it is a waste of time or money surely should not have motorsports as a hobby. Many of us spend more money on cars, car parts, gas, and oil than then do for housing and food.

As for the people who wonder why anyone would do something like that... Many of us live in America. This is the same country that created monster trucks that eat other monster trucks, the old 96er, and hell we even carved 4 dead guys on the side of a mountain.

So if you have to ask yourself "Why would anyone do that?" you must not be an american because in my opinion ingenuity, creativity, and the power to stomp a mud-hole into most cars on the road in something rediculous IS the American way.

[Sean1978]

Why would anyone cut a car up like this??? oh and it has a solid axle, what stupidity!! OMG!!!
The wheels are sooooo sunken in what a shitty offset.
http://images.turbomagazine.com/events/0209tur_02z+nissan_180sx_hks+right_front_view.jpg
http://images.turbomagazine.com/events/0209tur_16z+mazda_rx7_fc3s+right_front_view.jpg

[h23]

Well what's the point of using a 240? Seems like a lot of work when domestics are a dime a dozen.

I think you just answered your question right there..

Seriously I can't believe how narrow minded the majority of the people are in this thread. That car is insane, and so what if he used an american engine and rear end? Someone built an amazing s14 not built for dorifto like omg!!1! I'd like to see how many of you would say that the car is gay after you rode in it, or even just standing in front of it by the owner. How about some respect for a huge build and a fast car, or are we still all in middle school and just go on the interweb to start fights and pretend our dicks are big?

[h23]

My take on this crazy build is just that... IT IS A CRAZY BUILD! You must admire the craftsmanship involved in the project.

I think people who flame something simply because they think it is a waste of time or money surely should not have motorsports as a hobby. Many of us spend more money on cars, car parts, gas, and oil than then do for housing and food.

As for the people who wonder why anyone would do something like that... Many of us live in America. This is the same country that created monster trucks that eat other monster trucks, the old 96er, and hell we even carved 4 dead guys on the side of a mountain.

So if you have to ask yourself "Why would anyone do that?" you must not be an american because in my opinion ingenuity, creativity, and the power to stomp a mud-hole into most cars on the road in something rediculous IS the American way.

AMEN brother..

rep for truth

[icantdrift]

1999 called, they want your misinformation back.

http://www.hotrod.com/techarticles/113_0502_1963_1979_corvette_irs_buildup/index.html


now let's take the IRS on the nissan and make it make sense as to why it's no good for dragracing.

-under squat, the nissan suspension gains camber, and camber = diminished contact patch. the only fix for this would be a full on custom IRS setup with equal length upper and lower control arms and a custom subframe to mount them to.
-next problem would be finding axle shafts that could hold even close to that kind of power. live axles don't need a pair of u-joints connecting them together, or wimpy factory output flanges that would easily lose all their splines during a launch with this kind of power.
-last big problem would be the R200 itself. let's assume he'd find a spool setup to replace the diff with, you still don't have the nice option of super beefy ring and pinion sets that are actually designed to handle that kind of torque application. this car launching on a trans-brake would easily destroy the best parts you can find for the factory IRS, that's if the tires stayed on the ground enough to not spin uncontrollably at launch.

[drift freaq]

My take on this crazy build is just that... IT IS A CRAZY BUILD! You must admire the craftsmanship involved in the project.

I think people who flame something simply because they think it is a waste of time or money surely should not have motorsports as a hobby. Many of us spend more money on cars, car parts, gas, and oil than then do for housing and food.

As for the people who wonder why anyone would do something like that... Many of us live in America. This is the same country that created monster trucks that eat other monster trucks, the old 96er, and hell we even carved 4 dead guys on the side of a mountain.

So if you have to ask yourself "Why would anyone do that?" you must not be an american because in my opinion ingenuity, creativity, and the power to stomp a mud-hole into most cars on the road in something rediculous IS the American way.

so I guess reserving the right to do stupid things is the American way eh? I bet you voted for George Bush too.

God you guys just don't get it. Lots of us praised the quality of the build but not the concept of it with that chassis. Now you can all go off about creativity and whatnot. Well guess what this is America which means we have a right to a opinion as much as you do and the right to voice it. Telling us we are not American just because we don't agree with your opinion sounds like the kind of right wing bullshit that the current administration preaches.

P.S. the American way is not acting like a stupid fool, its about championing rights and freedom( not trying to force shit down countries throats that did not want). Unfortunately you described acting like a stupid fool as the American way in your statement above

[carnagexxxx]

so I guess reserving the right to do stupid things is the American way eh? I bet you voted for George Bush too.

God you guys just don't get it. Lots of us praised the quality of the build but not the concept of it with that chassis. Now you can all go off about creativity and whatnot. Well guess what this is America which means we have a right to a opinion as much as you do and the right to voice it. Telling us we are not American just because we don't agree with your opinion sounds like the kind of right wing bullshit that the current administration preaches.

P.S. the American way is not acting like a stupid fool, its about championing rights and freedom( not trying to force shit down countries throats that did not want). Unfortunately you described acting like a stupid fool as the American way in your statement above

This thread, and the post that I submitted was not meant to debate the meaning of "The American Way". This thread was intended to show what outside the box thinking coupled with excellent mechanical prowess can put onto the pavement. My main objective behind my post was to explain to people from other countries a possible "why" behind a build such as this. I wanted to open people up to the idea that true Americans, by nature, are rebels. We like to go against the grain, we like to build big dumb cars, we like to eat big fat steaks, we like to spend tons of cash for immortality. Is this right? Maybe, maybe not.

Whenever I make a statement I always realize that not everyone can accept my opinion. I also hope that rational people will at least give me, or anyone else, the opportunity to fully explain a statement. Blasting someone right away and calling them names is beyond what I view as being intelligent and reasonable.

I'm not entirely sure why people feel the need to express their political beliefs/opinions in a car forum but to each his own. My intent was not to offend any person's allegience to America or the American way of life. So let us not debate current political situations or beliefs and let us debate the topic at hand.

I would like to apologize to anyone who feels that I have gone off on a diatribe or if I have offended you.

P.S. I am from Pennsylvania. We cast our vote for Kerry in the previous presidential election.

[drift freaq]

This thread, and the post that I submitted was not meant to debate the meaning of "The American Way". This thread was intended to show what outside the box thinking coupled with excellent mechanical prowess can put onto the pavement. My main objective behind my post was to explain to people from other countries a possible "why" behind a build such as this. I wanted to open people up to the idea that true Americans, by nature, are rebels. We like to go against the grain, we like to build big dumb cars, we like to eat big fat steaks, we like to spend tons of cash for immortality. Is this right? Maybe, maybe not.

Whenever I make a statement I always realize that not everyone can accept my opinion. I also hope that rational people will at least give me, or anyone else, the opportunity to fully explain a statement. Blasting someone right away and calling them names is beyond what I view as being intelligent and reasonable.

I'm not entirely sure why people feel the need to express their political beliefs/opinions in a car forum but to each his own. My intent was not to offend any person's allegience to America or the American way of life. So let us not debate current political situations or beliefs and let us debate the topic at hand.

I would like to apologize to anyone who feels that I have gone off on a diatribe or if I have offended you.

P.S. I am from Pennsylvania. We cast our vote for Kerry in the previous presidential election.

lol , you really don't get the gist of your own words do you? Building big dumb cars eating big fat steaks and spending way to much cash on immortality falls into the catagory of dumb.
True Americans may be rebels, but saying its there way to "build big dumb car and eat big fat steaks", is a broad generalization and is catagorizing a lot of people into a dumb catagory.

Your close mindedness in your first post was blinding. You openly stated if people did not do that(the quoted statements above) it was unamerican. Wow your slinging some arrows there buddy. I suggest you reread your words carefully and realize exactly what you might have said without even realizing it.
Accusing me of not being open minded when you clearly stated your own close mindedness is pretty much you acting out in denial. On top of that your backpedaling on your second post reeks of falsehood.

You speak about not wanting political beliefs in this thread but it was you who first espoused political beliefs in the context of the thread. Hmmm American Way is building big dumb cars and eating big fat steaks. Wow that sure sounds like a political belief to me.

I did not call you names per se , I did call your concepts stupid. You seem to have misconstrued my words. Or you lack the reading comprehension needed to understand they were not pointed at you but your concepts. If you feel they were directed at you maybe you need to look at yourself?
Did I blast you? Thats up to the eye of the beholder. Did I call bullshit on your opinions? Yes! Do I call bullshit on your followup post ? Oh ya. Did I insult you directly? No. Was I the first person to start spouting political shit? No, you win that prize.

Did I go off a little , ya I did, I tend to do that when people espouse concepts that are lame in a very generalized way.

Now this thread has been debated up and down a tree for several pages and its pretty much rehashing shit over and over. I stated that earlier but you had to jump in and try and stir the pot more.

So at this point I say mods close this thread its useless at this point IMHO.

[Ninjabread]

haha wow, i felt like I just read an encyclopedia...

[axiomatik]

blah blah blah

nice work on the car. not my style, but I can appreciate the craftsmanship.

[steve shadows]

now let's take the IRS on the nissan and make it make sense as to why it's no good for dragracing.

-under squat, the nissan suspension gains camber, and camber = diminished contact patch. the only fix for this would be a full on custom IRS setup with equal length upper and lower control arms and a custom subframe to mount them to.
-next problem would be finding axle shafts that could hold even close to that kind of power. live axles don't need a pair of u-joints connecting them together, or wimpy factory output flanges that would easily lose all their splines during a launch with this kind of power.
-last big problem would be the R200 itself. let's assume he'd find a spool setup to replace the diff with, you still don't have the nice option of super beefy ring and pinion sets that are actually designed to handle that kind of torque application. this car launching on a trans-brake would easily destroy the best parts you can find for the factory IRS, that's if the tires stayed on the ground enough to not spin uncontrollably at launch.


....this is what i was trying to get at before the berrage of " STOCK IRS IS THE SHIT"

[a_ahmed]

ya irs sucks lets just chop up the car and stick a ford 9 in their, or we could do are homework and make it work and it will work, some people just dont understand, its bad allready that he put that engine and to make it worse he cut up the car, the engine i can understand i guess:-/ maby he just loves the looks of the s14 but when he cut the rear of the car out to me its not a s14 anymore should have just got a pinto.

damn irs sucks, this is why i love zilvia drifters think they know drag:love:
http://youtube.com/watch?v=q7QeykXmNHU


holy shit thats fast wow...

:eek2:

[daryl337]

Ok schools in. First off we are not wondering why the IRS is gone. We are wondering why do all that he did with that chassis? I.E. waste of time and money to be different.

Second: if you think 240's are only good for drift and that IRS spells drift, you need to go to road racing school. IRS is dope for all kinds of driving and 95 240's are pretty amazing sports coupes.
Third: most of us do not have one track minds in this area. If you think we do you need to shut the fuck up and start reading the forums more, like maybe the motorsports section?

Fourth: we don't have a problem with the american drivetrain. The problem we have is with the amount of hacking up he has done to the car, to install a live axle rear end in the car, at least thats the issue I have.

Fifth: Unbelievable upgrade from stock? Ya and totally useless unless used for one thing and one thing only. That is the main reason so many have issues with it. Taking something that can autocross , road race,drift and even drag if you want and turning it into a single purpose entity, is in my eyes and a lot of other forum members eyes a waste.
Now all you drag racing fanatics have all had your say the funny thing is the minute any one criticizes it you guys bring out the drifting JDM saw. Get over yourselves and you talk about us not being open minded?

P.S. some of us own classic American cars as well. So before you go making blind accusations maybe you should think.



The thing about it is, if you are trying to be competative in a certain field of automotive racing you will never accomplish it by diversifyng your car for different needs.

How many Top Fuel drag cars do you see running in the LeMans circut?

They obviously used the 240 for its drivetrain layout, hood space, and weight advantage. As a drag platform, the 240 is actually a good platform to begin with, however it is true that the suspension set up is less than ideal, which required heavy modification.

Cost effective? Probably not. For the money used, they probably could have picked up a junker A-body chevy and poured money into it. Cool? I absolutely think so.

[daryl337]

lol , you really don't get the gist of your own words do you? Building big dumb cars eating big fat steaks and spending way to much cash on immortality falls into the catagory of dumb.
True Americans may be rebels, but saying its there way to "build big dumb car and eat big fat steaks", is a broad generalization and is catagorizing a lot of people into a dumb catagory.


I happen to love big steaks, I hope you arent some seed muching hippie! :D

Building cars to do things they werent originally built to do is the definition of the tuner industry. Sure they oculd have gone alternate routes, but their choice of a platform is their own decision.

In all reality... 240sx's were not "designed" to be drift cars and are not the 'ultimate' platform to use because there are in fact lighter cars with better weight distribution that can be modified to create enough power to drift easily, but they are a handy platform to begin with due to their ease to modify. The 240sx in america was actually a largely unsuccessful attempt at a sports car in the early 90's, and without their japanese counter parts, they might never have been successful. With a surplus of aftermarket parts due to the 180sx and silvias in Japan, and of course the infamous Nissan parts bin that basically makes most nissans of similar platform interchangable with parts, the nissan enthusiast has a wide market to choose from to modify his car. This has held true since the 80's when people were modifying l28's. THAT is what makes me a nissan nut.

Since I personally might not want just a drag car, I may not do the extend of modifications that these guys have done, but I commend them on their work and since they started with a less than ideal platform, I believe they made the right decisions as far as necessary upgrades to the vehicle. This car is not meant for the road, it is not meant to drive around the twisties, it is meant to spank your butt all the way down the 1/4 mile and I respect that.

:D

[drift freaq]

I happen to love big steaks, I hope you arent some seed muching hippie! :D

Building cars to do things they werent originally built to do is the definition of the tuner industry. Sure they oculd have gone alternate routes, but their choice of a platform is their own decision.

In all reality... 240sx's were not "designed" to be drift cars and are not the 'ultimate' platform to use because there are in fact lighter cars with better weight distribution that can be modified to create enough power to drift easily, but they are a handy platform to begin with due to their ease to modify. The 240sx in america was actually a largely unsuccessful attempt at a sports car in the early 90's, and without their japanese counter parts, they might never have been successful. With a surplus of aftermarket parts due to the 180sx and silvias in Japan, and of course the infamous Nissan parts bin that basically makes most nissans of similar platform interchangable with parts, the nissan enthusiast has a wide market to choose from to modify his car. This has held true since the 80's when people were modifying l28's. THAT is what makes me a nissan nut.

Since I personally might not want just a drag car, I may not do the extend of modifications that these guys have done, but I commend them on their work and since they started with a less than ideal platform, I believe they made the right decisions as far as necessary upgrades to the vehicle. This car is not meant for the road, it is not meant to drive around the twisties, it is meant to spank your butt all the way down the 1/4 mile and I respect that.

:D

ok folks schools in again, casting off some often voiced misconceptions about the 240sx aka S13 in particular.
In reality 240sx's/180sx's/Silvia's were not designed to be drift cars because at the time Nissan had no idea about drifting.
(I drifted 510's and 240z's before the term in relation to competition was even in existance).
The 180sx aka 1989-1993 Fastback was indeed designed as a entry level sports car. The 240sx i.e. the American version was a failed effort not because the car could not deliver but because Nissan did not market it out of fear of effecting 300zx sales. Which the 180sx actually did do in Japan, it wiped the floor with NA Fairladys.

It actually embodied the whole spirit and concept of the 240z better than the 300zx did. It came in at 2750 pounds same weight as a 73 240z. In the dual cam version it had the same HP as the 73 Z . In the single cam version it 5 hp less. It came with a sophisticated multilink IRS that was and still is world class. It ran rings around a a 240z in the handling department right off the showroom floor. I know I drove a setup 72 240z up to the dealer in 1989 and got into a 89 SE and test drove it.
In fact it was actually successful sales wise in the first two years it was on our shores. 60,000 units per year. Thats nearly equal to 240z numbers for the first two years. Considering that the 240z was groundbreaking with its price per performance, entry level, never been seen situation.

The sales numbers for the first two years of the 240sx here, are pretty damn good considering the Z was all by itself when it came out. The 240sx had lots of competition in the publics eyes(failed marketing on Nissans part). Now that aside Nissan in the 80's sucked ass. Except for the late 80's when they designed the R32,180sx and the engines that would power them. As did and do L28's.

Go back to the 70's for the heyday that really put Nissan on the map here and in Japan. GC22 Skyline, S30 Fairlady,Fairlady roadster,Bluebird/510. S20 engine,SSS L series engines. Oh ya one more thing happened in the 80's worth mentioning and that was the FJ Nissans first DOHC 4 cylinder, but overall the 80's was not good for Nissan in performance areas.

510's and 240z's made Datsun aka Nissan huge here in the states in the 70"S! oh wait you weren't born yet. lol.

Getting back on track though after that brief history lesson, the counterparts in Japan did not help 240sx stuff till the early part of this century. It was nearly impossible to get a lot of the dope stuff in the late 90's. Fact is it did not help the success of the car one bit.
By the time any of that stuff really became available here the car was out of production. The S14 was technically not a sports car but a sports coupe. It was also dumbed down for the market here and in Japan.

S13 Silvias while appreciated were considered to have a harsh ride as was the 240sx here. Nissans response to this was to stiffen the chassis but soften the suspension. Funny thing is sales of the S14 here and in Japan were not that good.

Even funnier is the fact that they pretty much did the same thing with the R33 and people in Japan reacted the same way.
Hence the both the R34 and the S15 were smaller and more hard edged performance oriented than there predecessors. Problem was S15's were to expensive to build for the price they needed to be sold at.
Nissan at that point had big time parts cost issues and management issues.

As far as the 240sx being a good drift platform your grossly mistaken in your assumptions.
Drift cars do not need to be the lightest chassis's in the world. They do need to have good weight balance , which I might add the 240sx has in its near 50/50 balance. Good center of gravity, again the 240sx has this as well. A high skid pad rating stock .89 just two points below a C6 Corvette( Le Mans winner) and even though its not needed a low drag coefficent. This makes for a car that will drift well and be extremely forgiving. It also makes a decent autocross and road race platform if you do a little weight lightening. Its not grossly overweight either.

Ok all that aside lets get down to few brass tacks. 1: I did grow up on the tail end of the hippie era but no I am not a hippie nor do I eat grass or seeds. I have been influenced by some of the better ideals but as I get older I get more conservative. It will happen to you. It just does. lol
2: I did not criticize the quality of their build ever in this thread. I did criticize the fact that to me it was a waste of a chassis and time and effort.

You drag racing boys really want to argue this shit?

Motherfuckers go out and find a Maverick, Pinto, Vega, drop a Corvette engine with a turbo in it and take that to the track and run 6-7 second runs all fucking day long. Those chassis's are cheap and can be had for nothing!
With a lot less work involved and money spent.

Fuck this shit about the 240 being great as a drag platform to be setup the way those guys did! WASTE OF FUCKING TIME AND MONEY!

now mods please go and close this thread before this Idiocy goes on any farther.