My new Wideband (JAW) what ya guys think?

[MegasquirtCA]

So I found out about this low cost wideband controller. Controller with Display comes out to about $65 plus $42 for the Bosch LSU 4.2 O2 sensor, than $16 for harness supplies or use the supplied terminals. Anyways I bought the cases for about $5. The kit offers datalogging as well and input to any standalone.



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[johngriff]

Your DIY box looks alot better than i would have imagined!

Sweet!

[MegasquirtCA]

I went to radioshack and never knew they sold whats called "Project Enclosures" its cases made for PCB's and worked out perfectly for me.


Hopefully I'll be using it this week possibly thursday when I fix my downpipe.

[chuy]

MOre info please

[MegasquirtCA]

MOre info please


what would you like to know.

[efrain240sx]

I would like to know were I can get a this stuff

[MegasquirtCA]

http://www.14point7.com/JAW/JAW.htm


they sell unassembled and assembled, I can build them free of charge if people are interested.

[bardabe]

+1 for you, I'm going to try this sometime in a friend's car. ha ha

[MegasquirtCA]

Radioshack Part#

Display Case
Part# 270-1802
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062280&cp=&sr=1&origkw=project+enclosure&kw=project+enclosure&parentPage=search


Board Case
Part# 270-1805
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2062282&cp=&sr=1&origkw=project+enclosure&kw=project+enclosure&parentPage=search


40mm Fan
Part# 273-240
http://www.radioshack.com/product/index.jsp?productId=2102824&cp=&sr=1&origkw=fan&kw=fan&parentPage=search



I recommend going with a 50mm fan or 60mm at the most and nothing bigger than 20mm width.

Something like this is perfect.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835104007

[O3DigitalBath]

seems cool, the DIY case would be nicer if the plug/wire was on the opposite side as the display instead of same side.

[undesiredshoe]

http://www.14point7.com/JAW/JAW.htm


they sell unassembled and assembled, I can build them free of charge if people are interested.

So I would buy one and send it to you, you put it together, and ill pay you to send it to me?? What if it doesnt work?? Whats your email, I might be ordering one soon.

[MegasquirtCA]

So I would buy one and send it to you, you put it together, and ill pay you to send it to me?? What if it doesnt work?? Whats your email, I might be ordering one soon.


Well I'd only do it if we got 5 people. It would save money on shipping. I would be testing them before they left, and in the event if it doesnt work the dude is cool on doing refunds.


Just a little background on my electronic capabilities. I build Megasquirt ecu's.

[jskateborders]

How would you wire it up for an sr, since (or so ive heard) you have to have an sr o2 sensor, or do you just use an ecxess exhaust outlet, and get the bosch sensor. aslo what car did you do this for? What is the part number on the o2 sensor.
thanks

[johngriff]

If you put a wide band sensor in place of the OEM O2 you will just overheat it. The wideband needs to be mounted before the CAT, around under your knee to keep from overheating the sensor.

Welding Required for ANY wideband install.

[MegasquirtCA]

How would you wire it up for an sr, since (or so ive heard) you have to have an sr o2 sensor, or do you just use an ecxess exhaust outlet, and get the bosch sensor. aslo what car did you do this for? What is the part number on the o2 sensor.
thanks


Like John said your gonna overheat the sensor which will cause false readings. Innovate recommends on Turbocharged motors that the wideband be placed 36 inches after the turbo.

This isn't really for permanent installation, dont forget Wideband O2 sensors DO NOT LIKE being rich all the time, if you run like a 12:1 AFR you'll destroy your sensor in a few months, and leaving it in and not turned on will destroy it even sooner.

But if you truly want the JAW kit can output a narrowband signal which you can feed directly to the stock ecu.


As for part number
VW Part#021906262B (http://www.worldimpex.com/parts/bosch-oxygen-sensor_552431.html)
Bosch# 17014


More info on the harness parts
http://14point7.com/JAW/JAW_FYI.htm


I tried to mimick the functionality of the Innovate LM-1 the only difference is mine is just smaller.

http://www.genuinesaab.com/catalog/images/LM1kit.jpg

[thejapino]

Hey I pm'd you earlier about putting one together for me.

+1 for the idea for putting in a narrow band output as well

[MegasquirtCA]

Just to make it clear I'm not the one who designed the board, its a guy in Canada who did all the work, he sells kits and I in turn put them together for interested parties.

[98koukile]

So $107 total plus shipping?

[chuy]

Way dude 107 plus shipping Im in

[Lucient]

Some screen shots of the software and a better explanation of the features like data logging, sampling rate, and calibration would definitely sell me on this product. I didn't see any of the things I mentioned on your site. Your forum seemed pretty helpful also

[MegasquirtCA]

Let me do the price break down.

If 5 people are in and pay ahead it will cost

Board: $45
Display: $25

Harness Parts
Housing VW# 1J0-973-733 (http://www.worldimpex.com/parts/genuine-part-conn-housi_123459.html) you need 1 $5.75
Terminals VW# 000-979-133-A (http://www.worldimpex.com/parts/genuine-part-wiretermi_123495.html) you need 3 $3.59 Total $10.77
Grommet VW# 357-972-741-A (http://www.worldimpex.com/parts/genuine-part-grommet_123296.html) you need 6 $0.29 Total $1.74
Total for harness $18.26

Display Case $2.69
Board Case $3.79
Total $6.48

Fan is about $3 from Newegg.


If I get 5 people knock off $5 so $70 turns to $65. knock off like another $5 because cost of shipping is saved since it all goes to me which is $10 I'll eat that cost.

$5 Priority Mail.


So total price is $102.74. Make it $110 you get everything what you see in the pic, also a harness thats not pictured. It connects to the O2 sensor. The Extra $8 is for tax, supplies, and extra shipping charges that may pop up.

O2 sensor is not included but can be easily purchased for about $44 shipped from Amazon.

[MegasquirtCA]

Some screen shots of the software and a better explanation of the features like data logging, sampling rate, and calibration would definitely sell me on this product. I didn't see any of the things I mentioned on your site. Your forum seemed pretty helpful also


Just to clear it up again, Im not the creator I'm just a consumer :kiss: I'm just offering assembly services because I know some people are uncomfortable soldering on PCB, it helps build up my portfolio.


Heres a video of the unit in use and it shows the software.

http://www.14point7.com/JAW/JAW_WBO2_Display_Eli.wmv

http://www.14point7.com/JAW/JAW.wmv


If you wanna mess with the software, you can download it here.

http://www.14point7.com/JAW/Soft%20and%20Doc/JAW%20Deploy%20Setup%201.13.exe

[jskateborders]

I will definitely do 110 for this thing

[MegasquirtCA]

Alright lets get a list going for the people that wanna get one for $110. I need 5 people for that price if not its gonna cost $125. This doesnt include sensor. I might pick up another set for a friend.



So far:
thejapino
jskateborders
Chuy
98koukile (unknown)
punxva


I'll start collecting money friday the 21, I'll either PM you guys or post on here where to send payment.

[punxva]

i'll most def. take one too, add me to that list man

[MegasquirtCA]

list has been updated.

[thejapino]

Looking forward!!

[thejapino]

Update? So is this still going down?

[steve shadows]

Alright lets get a list going for the people that wanna get one for $110. I need 5 people for that price if not its gonna cost $125. This doesnt include sensor. I might pick up another set for a friend.



So far:
thejapino
jskateborders
Chuy
98koukile (unknown)
punxva


I'll start collecting money friday the 21, I'll either PM you guys or post on here where to send payment.

but can it data log

sorry if i missed that

[MegasquirtCA]

It can datalog, it has 3 inputs for datalogging. Its primitive as in no graphic display but it gets the job done. If you look at the first pic in my post you'll see at the bottom middle of the board it says Datalog with 3 tiny holes. You solder 1 wire for each hole, I believe the one with the number 1 to the left of it is for RPM.


http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1425/jawls4.jpg



I'll be more than glad to still do the assembly even if we dont get enough people.

[!Zar!]

This is turning into a forsale thread... but yeah.

I'm willing to throw down for one. Just let me know a total shipped for everything; bosch also if possible, to 94401 and a paypal address.

[MegasquirtCA]

Well I'm not really selling anything as I wont be making any money off it. Only thing is Im offering my services to assemble because I know some people are A. Too Lazy or B. inexperienced in soldering. I'm assembling them for free. If 5 people pay it will probably be $110 shipped, as for sensor your local parts store usually carries it for about $50 or Amazon has them for $44 shipped I believe.

[thejapino]

Im ready to go. 4 to go then i guess...

[MegasquirtCA]

I'm just waiting on the reponse of the creator to see if he will give me the price he quoted a few months ago.

[MegasquirtCA]

Alright guys we are A GO. Just got confirmation from Alan the creator of the kit.

The price is $110 Shipped, this will include the boards, cases, harness, and shipping.

O2 sensor must be purchased either through local parts store, VW dealer, or Online.

Autozone sells them for $50.99 Part# 17014

my paypal addy is [email protected]

Again the price is $110 SHIPPED if I get ATLEAST 5 people to pay. If I get less than 5 than an extra $15 will have to be paypal. But for now just send $110.

[jskateborders]

frick dude, the money i had set aside went to getting a new cas for my car. how long do I have?

[MegasquirtCA]

I can wait as long as you guys want, theirs no deadline I just need a minimum of 5 people. So if the people who pay are ok with waiting than I'm ok too.

[chuy]

agh thank goodnes pay day is a couple of days away.

[MegasquirtCA]

agh thank goodnes pay day is a couple of days away.


I hear ya, same here I get paid thursday and I'm gonna purchase a powder coating kit as thats one of the things I always wanted to get in to. I cant wait :naughty:

[ilovecoupes]

im in... but check your pm hehe

[98koukile]

Give me a week if you can, it's the fall wedding season so my work schedule is crazy right now. Tonight I figured out I need a new o2 sensor anyways. PM me with any details I need to know, thanks

[MegasquirtCA]

Alright I have about 7 people interested no one has paid yet.

frosti108
thejapino
jskateborders
Chuy
98koukile (unknown)
punxva
USDM Rice
98koukile

I dont mind waiting as their is no deadline, but juat take into consideration of the first person who does pay as I have to wait for the other 4 people to pay.

or for $15 more I can place the individual order and only waiting involved is shipping of the parts and shipping finished product. I can usually get the kit done with 1 hour from start to finish.

[MegasquirtCA]

I dont mind sending pm's about info but honestly all the info is already covered in this thread. Where to send payment, part numbers for sensors and harness etc etc.

[chuy]

Hold tight Ive got to find someone who has Pay Pal

[MegasquirtCA]

The only thing I dont want this be, is like when I tried it on Nico I had 20 people stating they were ready to pay, everyone was getting all excited. I even went out and BOUGHT new soldering equipment like a Weller soldering Iron so that I offer a nicely done product. When it came time to pay only 1 dude paid.

Not often do people get offers like these especially if labors free.

[98koukile]

Alright so you get the software off the site or it that only available if you have a standalone, and also... you take the o2 sensor out when your not using it? or just change it to narrowband?

[!Zar!]

The stock 02 sensor location is too close. So you should weld on another bung further down and place the wideband 02 there.

This doesn't replace your 02 sensor.

[ilovecoupes]

O2 sensor is not included but can be easily purchased for about $44 shipped from Amazon.

Would it be possible for you to post a link, on where to get the correct sensor? The cheapest one I found on Amazon.com was $75

[MegasquirtCA]

Would it be possible for you to post a link, on where to get the correct sensor? The cheapest one I found on Amazon.com was $75


On Amazon the price seems to fluctuate very often.

http://www.amazon.com/gp/offer-listing/B000BZI4ZW/ref=dp_olp_2/103-6189249-6541416

Right now its back down to $45 shipped. So get it ASAP at that price.


In the event the price goes back just go to Autozone and tell them you need Bosch LSU sensor Part# 17014 and they sell it for $50.

[MegasquirtCA]

Alright so you get the software off the site or it that only available if you have a standalone, and also... you take the o2 sensor out when your not using it? or just change it to narrowband?

Software can be downloaded from this link.

http://14point7.com/JAW/Soft%20and%20Doc/JAW%20Deploy%20Setup%201.13.exe


If you have a standalone you can have the kit wired directly to the standalone. Its highly recommended that when not in use that the O2 sensor is removed. Prolong exposure to rich condition can kill a Wideband sensor and kill it faster if the sensor isnt turned on as the carbon build up will clog it since the O2 sensor gets heated which helps reduce that carbon build up. You can switch it over to a Narrowband signal but than whats the point, just leave the stock one in its place and you wont have to hack the harness.

Like Zar said the stock O2 location is extremly close, Innovate recommends that you put the wideband 36" after the turbo. The reason for this is because the immense heat from the turbo will cause false readings for the wideband.

This is mainly a tool for tuning and checking your AFR's.

[ilovecoupes]

PAYMENT SENT!! i guess im the 1st to send money. now everyone else should follow. come on guys dont make me wait too long :aw:

and thanks for the amazon link i already bought the o2 sensor :bigok: free shipping too! damn good deal

[MegasquirtCA]

Alright just got the payment, I need 3 more people. thejapino said he will pay once we get 4 people so he will be the 5th.

[98koukile]

Well I'll def know by Friday

[ilovecoupes]

come on you cheap bastards. pay up

lol

[chuy]

I just have to send Megasquirt's Pay Pal address and Ill be done. If you are reading this just watch for my name in the notes.

[MegasquirtCA]

I will update the thread as payments start coming in.

[ilovecoupes]

is anyone actually gonna buy one of these??? i saw a whole lot of talk but no ones following through.

[MegasquirtCA]

is anyone actually gonna buy one of these??? i saw a whole lot of talk but no ones following through.

Most likely not kinda expected it anyways. Oh well I'll still take care of ya. I had a backup plan incase this shit would happen again.

[ilovecoupes]

i got my new bosch sensor in from amazon today! but shes lonely i think she wants a reader to play with... :hyper:

[MegasquirtCA]

i got my new bosch sensor in from amazon today! but shes lonely i think she wants a reader to play with... :hyper:


I acutally have urs ready to go, im just waiting for volkswagen to get the harness parts in.

[chuy]

Did my "friend" place an order? Ill just have to get him myself. Im in though.

[MegasquirtCA]

Did my "friend" place an order? Ill just have to get him myself. Im in though.


nope only person paid was ilovecoupes, but I already have his done except for the harness.

[frosti108]

nope only person paid was ilovecoupes, but I already have his done except for the harness.


correction: im the only one who paid :bigok:


cant wait to try this thing out... just got the car runnin today!

[chuy]

dony give up on me yet

[MegasquirtCA]

I think what I'll do from now on, is actually pay for them myself and just sell them individually.

[frosti108]

sooooo when do u think itll be in the mail?

[MegasquirtCA]

sooooo when do u think itll be in the mail?


When Volkswagen calls me to let me know the harness parts came in, parts dude said this week it will be in.

[frosti108]

sooooooooo hows it been workin for you on your ca? any problems or anything?

[MegasquirtCA]

sooooooooo hows it been workin for you on your ca? any problems or anything?

Pretty good, I really just use it to tune while friend drives and after tuning take it out, its not something I leave in their. I havent messed with the datalog features when I get to the dyno I might though.


Still no word, I'll try calling them in a bit to see whats up.

[frosti108]

cool. yea i dont intend to data log with it... just want the mixture reading to do some real time tuning with....

bummer on the dealership... lemme know when they come through.

thanks man :D

[MegasquirtCA]

Who sent me money, aparetly the message was weird saying the part chuy wants send to whoever yada yada. I'm gonna be refunding this payment as I dont know what the fuck, not to mention theirs like 2 address on it to ship too and I aint protected by paypal.

[chuy]

Dude thats for me!!!

[MegasquirtCA]

aight tell your boy to resend by the way they sent $100, $10 short of $110.

[gotta240]

Just curious, what does a normal set-up with similar options sell for? Like a factory made, ready to go unit?

Props on this idea though...i'm impressed.

[Steinkrunk]

would this be something i should use with itb's?

[MegasquirtCA]

Just curious, what does a normal set-up with similar options sell for? Like a factory made, ready to go unit?

Props on this idea though...i'm impressed.


This is from what I gathered to mimick the Innovate LM-1 which goes for $350. But the lowest AFR gauge I believe goes for $230 which I think is the PLX kit.


http://dagostinoracing.com/images/LM1.jpg

[MegasquirtCA]

would this be something i should use with itb's?

This is something that is used for any application involving a internal combustion motor. So ITB's would benefit this. With ITB's your pulling in more air so you need to know your AFR to adjust the fuel map.

[frosti108]

heres my car mostly put together and running.

http://i4.photobucket.com/albums/y140/frosti108/240sx/240prettybumperless.jpg

lets see your car megasquirtca. i heard u have a ca18

[champagnes13]

Hey I want to get the wideband o2 reader, just refresh me on how much it costs now. it's $115, right? PM me back and I'll send out the money. THANKS for the hook up.

[MegasquirtCA]

its $110 shipped.

[MegasquirtCA]

heres my car mostly put together and running.



lets see your car megasquirtca. i heard u have a ca18

I sure do, CA18DET with GTi-R T28, mainly stock at the moment except for Megasquirt II V3.0 running FORD EDIS-4. 3" Catback yada yada.

I started doing powdercoating so im gonna dress up my engine bay when I come back from disney.

http://img404.imageshack.us/img404/3174/DSC00233.jpg

http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/8294/DSC00219.jpg


http://img129.imageshack.us/img129/7697/DSC00217.jpg


http://img261.imageshack.us/img261/6189/dscf1969ed7.jpg



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[Ninjabread]

Woo, its pumaking from 240sxforums :)

whats up dude, this is teknobuzz89.

[yokotas13]

Alright lets get a list going for the people that wanna get one for $110. I need 5 people for that price if not its gonna cost $125. This doesnt include sensor. I might pick up another set for a friend.



So far:
thejapino
jskateborders
Chuy
98koukile (unknown)
punxva


I'll start collecting money friday the 21, I'll either PM you guys or post on here where to send payment.
ill get one too assembled since it can datalog

wil you include the software? or is there another source to get it from?

[MegasquirtCA]

Woo, its pumaking from 240sxforums :)

whats up dude, this is teknobuzz89.


Bish how you not know it was me? Nothing much mang tryin to help peeps by making these kits for them.

[MegasquirtCA]

ill get one too assembled since it can datalog

wil you include the software? or is there another source to get it from?

Software is free, can be downloaded here.

http://14point7.com/JAW/Soft%20and%20Doc/JAW%20Deploy%20Setup%201.14.exe

[Ninjabread]

I recognised the car :)

Add me on AIM or msn, we gotta talk about that gti-r turbo and that actuator bracket :P

[gotta240]

You douche!!! Why didn't you say you were on 240forums...lol.

Cool guy(on the forums anyways)... I just may pick one up from you. Are you swamped with orders and payments or do you have room/time for another?

[yokotas13]

where do you/when do you want me to pay

[MegasquirtCA]

[email protected] is my paypal addy.

The only person whos paid is frosti but I have his pretty much done, just waiting on the connector for the O2 sensor. Im waiting for chuy's guy to resend payment since I did a refund. But I got all the time for more orders. Send payments whenever you want guys just be courteous to the people who have paid and not to make them wait too long.

[gotta240]

Sorry for the newb question... BUT, here is what i plan on using it for, and would like to know if you think it can hold to the abuse..


My car RANDOMLY cuts out when driving. I've replaced almost everything possible, and still no answer. I want to use a wideband to see what the AFR is doing when it cuts out. The only problem is it cuts out like every other day of driving. SO, my q's are

1. can it withstand 2 days constant use without destroying the wideband sensor?

2. Will enough wiring be available for me to run it into my car? It seems like some have short wiring because they are intended for use outside the car while tuning.

Thanks

[logik23]

The box and the display stay inside the car, the sensor goes into the engine bay. The sensor comes with enough wiring to go to the engine bay.

[yokotas13]

[email protected] is my paypal addy.

The only person whos paid is frosti but I have his pretty much done, just waiting on the connector for the O2 sensor. Im waiting for chuy's guy to resend payment since I did a refund. But I got all the time for more orders. Send payments whenever you want guys just be courteous to the people who have paid and not to make them wait too long.
KK
im waiting on a paypal to go through, as soon as it does, youll have cash
Not in a big rush at all either.

[champagnes13]

money sent $110usd via paypal


thanks

[MegasquirtCA]

Hey guys just got back from disney world. I just checked paypal.

Champagnes13 has paid.

[champagnes13]

woohoo!

whats the eta on this jammy? no rush just curious.

[MegasquirtCA]

Once I place the order for the boards and components it takes about 6 business days to arrive. Than 1 day to assemble, make the case, test, than following day off to shipping. The only thing that can make the order take longer is when I order the parts from the Volkswagen stealership.

[gotta240]

Sorry, one more question.

I am a completely computer illiterate fool. I'm lucky i know how to log on to this site. In all honesty, is this a fairly strait forward wideband to use, or would i be better off getting a more expensive, idiot proof model?

[jesuchristo]

I think any datalogging wideband is going to require some amount of computer literacy to be used to it's full potential.

If all you want to do is look at the number while yer driving, then it probably won't require much computer work :P

[MegasquirtCA]

Sorry, one more question.

I am a completely computer illiterate fool. I'm lucky i know how to log on to this site. In all honesty, is this a fairly strait forward wideband to use, or would i be better off getting a more expensive, idiot proof model?


All widebands are practically the same in the sense of installation except the gauges one.

Heres how the one im offering works. You screw the wideband sensor into a O2 bung on the downpipe preferably 36" after the turbo. This is required on all wideband kits as the heat from the turbo will effect the O2 sensor causing false readings.

The O2 sensor has a plug on the end, my kit will have a female end plug and you clip them together. The harness will be long enough about 5-8ft so the display will be inside the car. The last thing you need to do is give the unit a power and ground. Their are several ways to do it, wiring up the 2 wires using those cigarette lighter connectors, or wire up ring terminals and attach it to the battery terminals, shoot even attaching a 9volt battery will work but after 15mins the battery drainage will cause the unit to give false readings, soo make sure it gets a clean 12volt system.

[MegasquirtCA]

I think any datalogging wideband is going to require some amount of computer literacy to be used to it's full potential.

If all you want to do is look at the number while yer driving, then it probably won't require much computer work :P


I try to make sure the systems are as plug n play as possible.

[gotta240]

Money sent.... Thanks a lot!!! (you said you are doing this just to build a resume or references...is there any place you'd like us to leave a response after we get them?)

oh yeah... PLEASE dont use my money to buy paintball shit... i'm begging you!!!!

[satal95]

Very interested in getting this also but was wondering if u have any pics of it installed in vehicle also. Just for reference to see how everything looks installed

[jesuchristo]

Very interested in getting this also but was wondering if u have any pics of it installed in vehicle also. Just for reference to see how everything looks installed

umm..... it looks like a box with some wires. You can put that display wherever you want, and the box wherever you want (as long as the cord reaches and it has fan access) so its really up to you what it looks like.

Theres a pic of a wideband display in place of the cluster vents of an s13 in the interior thread.... ah here I found it...

Not my pic....
http://i24.photobucket.com/albums/c33/tunedis95/144_4432.jpg

[MegasquirtCA]

Money sent.... Thanks a lot!!! (you said you are doing this just to build a resume or references...is there any place you'd like us to leave a response after we get them?)

oh yeah... PLEASE dont use my money to buy paintball shit... i'm begging you!!!!


LOL bahahahaha I already have enough paintball stuff, plus I work at a paintball store and the owner hooks me up.


I take pics of the stuff I built kinda like a photo portfolio.

[satal95]

so the turn around time is around a week to get on once paid for or do u have to wait for the parts to come in right now? Also posted a link on another nissan site so hopefully u get some customers from that site as well:bigok:

[frosti108]

LOL at everyone being 2 weeks late. thanks a lot guys :mepoke:


anyway, lemme know when you ship. thanks

[MegasquirtCA]

I'll pm you the tracking number when I have it shipped out, gonna do it via the Flate Rate box.

Gotta240 and Champagne I placed the order for the kits.

[gotta240]

haha. i'm not tripping on you stealing my money...was just giving you a hard time...

[champagnes13]

i'ma get stoich or die tryin'

[logik23]

MegaSquirt, I pmed you a few days ago saying I wanted to get one and you never got back to me, I wanna order it ASAP, so please get back to me.

[DrftSLowHomIe!!]

http://img150.imageshack.us/img150/1736/dsc00189xm6.jpg



Sorry to be off topic but Buy me a Fernando Torres Jersy With ur GOal Club Card lol

[MegasquirtCA]

MegaSquirt, I pmed you a few days ago saying I wanted to get one and you never got back to me, I wanna order it ASAP, so please get back to me.

Sorry bro I thought I did reply to it. I'll pm you the response now.

[MegasquirtCA]

Sorry to be off topic but Buy me a Fernando Torres Jersy With ur GOal Club Card lol


If you want I'll just give you my GC number and you can order it just change the shipping address make it seem like a gift.

[adoboboy]

PM sent.........

[MegasquirtCA]

I figure I update this. Gotta240 and champagne the manufacture has shipped the boards out today to me. so I should be expecting them soon.


As for the rest I will not be doing the group buy anymore. Instead I will be doing individual orders so when you pay I order the parts right then and their. Price will remain the same as I've been able to eliminate the fan, the part I was worried about doesnt get too hot. And ordering the parts locally through the VW dealership saves on shipping costs.

[gotta240]

Thanks for the update.. So that means no fan? I plan on using mine for long periods of time(like hours on end...i know, i know, bad for the sensor). Will this be prone to overheat with this usage? Could i send you a couple extra bucks to put the fan in for extra safety?

thanks!

[MegasquirtCA]

I actually left mine over night with it running didnt seem to do much. The only problem is the fan im using has a really weak ass cfm so its really not doing much. But if you want yes I can install a fan for you it would also be a bigger one, it wont be extra either my bro works at best buy so the fan will be dirt cheap.

[gotta240]

That would be cool if you could put it in there. I'm probably being over paranoid, but i figure better safe than sorry. It wont change the size of the case or anything else, right? Also, if you end up needing a couple extra bucks for it, let me know. I dont expect things for free and i really appriciate you doing this as it is. You're doing the 240 community a HUGE favor.

[MegasquirtCA]

That would be cool if you could put it in there. I'm probably being over paranoid, but i figure better safe than sorry. It wont change the size of the case or anything else, right? Also, if you end up needing a couple extra bucks for it, let me know. I dont expect things for free and i really appriciate you doing this as it is. You're doing the 240 community a HUGE favor.


Nope the case will stay the same unless I can find one thats shorter. The fan in the one I originally made which is the pics you see is a 40mm fan, I intended to use a 60mm fan which puts out like 12cfm I believe.

[gotta240]

Sweet. Thanks again.

[frosti108]

dooooooood wheres mine

[MegasquirtCA]

Sorry bro havent had a chance to finish the wiring, friend at work quit so I've been filling in to cover his shifts until we hire a new person.

[MegasquirtCA]

Just give you guys an update Champagne and gotta240 your kits should be arriving this week.

Frosti tomorrow is my day off so I will try and finish it up tomorrow and have it shipped out this week via priority mail.

and logik I will be ordering your kit tonite or tomorrow.

[nep]

ignorant question: this is essentially the same thing as an aem uego or LC-1 right?

[gotta240]

s a w e e e e e e e e et!!!!!!!!!!!!!

With the fan?

[MegasquirtCA]

I meant arriving at my place, you guys will most likely receive them next week.

Yes yours will get the fan.

[MegasquirtCA]

ignorant question: this is essentially the same thing as an aem uego or LC-1 right?


In terms of operation yes, the LC-1 is just the sensor and control unless you purchase the optional gauge.

This kit mimicks the LM-1. the LC-1 is pretty much a compact version of the LC-1 and without a display, however the LC-1 can be integrated into almost all standalones.

[gotta240]

damn....get me all high with excitement....then you shoot me down!!!


lol. cant wait.

[MegasquirtCA]

paypal sent!


You got it in just in time, I was ready to place the order for logiks kit when I noticed my account balance was significantly higher, so I was like oh snap another order.

[MegasquirtCA]

ATTN: I would like to thank everyone who purchased a kit. I just found out that the creator is donating a portion of each sale on kits and displays to David Bludell. Some fo you guys may not know who David Bludell is except maybe Steve Shadows and Johngriff. Well David Bludell is being sued by Hondata.

Here are links for more information.

http://www.14point7.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=2547


http://forum.pgmfi.org/


I know this doesnt effect the Nissan community but it may trickle down and effect us. We need to show our support.

[frosti108]

cant wait to see it

[MegasquirtCA]

cant wait to see it


Hey frosti im gonna be testing it out making sure its all good, he released a new code which is why I will be testing. Than I'll have it packaged and ready to go.

[MegasquirtCA]

Ziptied and Logik your kits have been ordered.

[Jung918]

Is there a way to calibrate the sensor?

[logik23]

sweetnesssss

[MegasquirtCA]

Is there a way to calibrate the sensor?


Yes the way you calibrate is you hook up the kit to the computer or via laptop open up the software and do the calibration.

[MegasquirtCA]

sweetnesssss


Logik your kit was shipped out today from the manufacture.


As for Champagne and Gotta240 your kits arrived monday, I assembled them yesterday, tomorrow I will try to assemble the cases, and hopefully the harness will be done friday.

[ManoNegra]

Looking forward to reviews.

[MegasquirtCA]

I totally forgot to ask you guys, how do you want me to setup the power wires? 2 long wires with ring terminals or a cigarette lighter type plug?

[champagnes13]

cig plug in


thanks

[gotta240]

cig plug please!!!

[frosti108]

just wires for me... i need my cig thing for radar detector while doing highway tuning hehehe

[logik23]

cig plug for me to plz, if its not to late

[gotta240]

is mine about done? PLEASE!?

[bongnak]

any reviews on this yet or did i miss it?

[gotta240]

once i get it i'll review it!!!! :-)

[frosti108]

come on man try to get it here within 2 months>?

[MegasquirtCA]

Sorry bro I know I said I'd get it out to you sooner, Holiday season kinda messin shit up and I guess I got overwhelmed with orders, not just the JAW stuff but Megasquirt kits, Powdercoating, and personal stuff.

I cant believe how fast time flys by. I promise to get yours out ASAP hopefully no later than the 27th. It would be sooner but thanksgiving this week is gonna make shit more difficult. One thing that was holding me up is I needed a O2 sensor, and Im just getting one today because I want to make sure all the units are working before I send them off.

[MegasquirtCA]

Alright guys another update. Pretty much I have every ones kit assembled, the only thing left that need to be done are the harnesses, and cases. Im trying to locate a local store that has the cig plugs.

Frosti's kit should be arriving at his door today. I will try to get another 2 out next week.

Which are Mike and Jon.

Emmanuel the supplier ran out of the displays, they will be getting more in the first week of december. However yours is almost done, the harness and case just need to be completed. The display is just whats gonna be holding yours back.


I'm also gonna be offering a Version 2 kit in a few weeks. The only difference is gonna be the case and possibly connectors. To make things a little easier. I will also be charging more as well. The people who purchased the current kits will can purchase the new case for $20 shipped. However they will need to send me their display as it will need modification to fit the case.

Here are some of the ones that Im picking from.

http://hammondmfg.com/1592ETCB.jpg


http://www.pactecenclosures.com/Plastic-Enclosures/TR-9VB_2AA_New_Design.jpg

http://www.pactecenclosures.com/Plastic-Enclosures/TT-9VB_2AA.jpg

http://www.pactecenclosures.com/Plastic-Enclosures/TT.jpg

[gotta240]

damn man, its been nearly a month... Its cool your doing this but its getting a lil frustrating waiting so long for a tool that i needed 3 weeks ago for diagnostics...

and do me a favor and remove my full name from above...doesnt need to be posted up on here.

thank you.

[champagnes13]

whats the eta on mine?

[MegasquirtCA]

whats the eta on mine?

whoops totally forgot to include you. Yours is the same as as Gotta240 I should have it out next week.

[gotta240]

how much would you charge us who haven't had ours shipped yet, to use the new case? That way we wouldn't have to send it back to get the upgraded case.

[MegasquirtCA]

Which case would you like? They are pretty much the same price usually $8-$10.

[gotta240]

the smallest one possible.

[frosti108]

i called to my other house in nj, my widebands there (w00t) im goin friday to check it out, put it in the car...

now, can i calibrate it on a regular comp?? because i dont have a laptop. does it have whatever cable i need for it?

thanks

[MegasquirtCA]

Yup just install the software on any Windows computer.

It doesnt include the cable but any local computer store like Compusa, Best Buy, Radioshack, Walmart should have it for around $5

Your gonna need a Female Serial to Male Serial cable also known as Female DB9 to Male DB9 cable.

If your computer doesnt have a serial connection than you can purchase a Serial to USB apator. Just make sure the wideband side is Serial Male.

[frosti108]

i got my wideband and everything seemed good. didnt get a chance to run out and get the connection for my computer so i still havent used it. 1 thing i was wondering though, is there anyway for me to get a longer ribbon wire for between the big box and little box? like can i run out to radio shack or something and just plug in a new one??

reason im asking is because i was hoping to mount the small viewer box with the actual a/r readings up in my center vent hole next to my boost gauge. and i dont think theres enough room right behind there for the larger box. if the ribbon were longer i could mount the large box in the glove compartment or somewhere back there and run the ribbon up to the vent hole...

[MegasquirtCA]

i got my wideband and everything seemed good. didnt get a chance to run out and get the connection for my computer so i still havent used it. 1 thing i was wondering though, is there anyway for me to get a longer ribbon wire for between the big box and little box? like can i run out to radio shack or something and just plug in a new one??

reason im asking is because i was hoping to mount the small viewer box with the actual a/r readings up in my center vent hole next to my boost gauge. and i dont think theres enough room right behind there for the larger box. if the ribbon were longer i could mount the large box in the glove compartment or somewhere back there and run the ribbon up to the vent hole...


Hey Frosti unscrew the 4 screws on the big case. you will see the ribbon is zip tied. Its fairly long I believe over 2ft. just cut the zip tie and pull to the length you want. Rescrew and your set.

Gotta240 I will have yours out tomorrow and will pm you the tracking number.

[gotta240]

you rock. thanks a bunch.

Just curious, does it have the smaller case?

[frosti108]

. . . . . score.

[MegasquirtCA]

you rock. thanks a bunch.

Just curious, does it have the smaller case?


Unfortunatly no I didn't the electronics store that I get all my stuff from aparently closed shop and moved to Miami.

www.ecemiami.com (http://www.ecemiami.com)

they were the ones that carried the case. However though if I did try to get it I wouldn't have been able to get yours done in the time I promised.


However in a few months probably when tax return comes I will buy a few kits and use the new cases.

However the differences will be more professionally done. For example the harness will use a DIN6 socket for cleaner install and when not in use just unplug as opposed to right now where the harness is attached to the board.

However the good news is I will offer you guys the first buyers the chance to buy them at the cost difference. For example you guys paid $110 and if I sell the new kits for $200, just pay $90 send me the old ones and you get a brand new one. I will also try to see if I can implement some type of USB converter for the serial so that you guys can just use USB.

[nicku]

can i still order the first version for 110 shipped?

[MegasquirtCA]

yes you can however the manufacture is still sold out, but if you like you can still pay and when they arrive I will assemble them the same way.

Version 2 wont be till March

[logik23]

Is my kit ganna be finished soon?

[nicku]

yes you can however the manufacture is still sold out, but if you like you can still pay and when they arrive I will assemble them the same way.

Version 2 wont be till March
when are they gonna have it in stock? cz i need it really bad...i just got my safc installed and my car is running hella rich now....i need a wideband to tune it asap

[punxva]

ok so could i run the o2 in the bung on my testpipe? i know you shouldn't run it in the stock place, so i was wondering if this would suffice.

[gotta240]

What i want to know is why people say you cant run a wideband at ALL TIMES. People say it will burn up the wideband.

HOWEVER, some cars COME with widebands.. Why don't their widebands burn up after constant use? I'm confused.

[Ninjabread]

Always wondered too. OEM sensors don't go bad that often, and the bosch wideband sensors are only 60$ anyway. I'd rather be able to monitor my afr's 24/7 and pay 60$ every 2 years when it needs replacing.

[statik]

I run a wideband in the stock location with this heatsink (http://www.innovatemotorsports.com/xcart/product.php?productid=16148&cat=0&page=1), the heatsink goes where the stock O2 goes and has a small opening for exhaust gases to enter, then the wideband screws into that so its not exposed to the extreme temperatures, works perfect.

[MegasquirtCA]

Is my kit ganna be finished soon?


Yours is pretty much done, I just have to solder in the wiring harness. I'm leaving for South America this Sunday the 23rd. So everyone left except for the last person who paid will be shippied out no later than Saturday 22nd Garunteed, tracking numbers will be provided.


Again guys I do apologize for the people who havent gotten them yet. A lot of my free time is gone because of work, school, holiday season, I usually worked on the kits at around 11pm-2am. Also because of my trip I've been going to the USDA and immigration offices to get all my documents ready for my trip, I dont want to say thats more of a priority than your guys stuff but I wasnt left with much choice when I had to do it for my family as well :-/.

Anyways I will be gone Dec 23. and come back Jan 5. I will be going to Colombia in South America.

[MegasquirtCA]

Yeah take a number buddy. I paid 30OCT07 and I'm still waiting. Not a big deal, since OP seems like a busy guy, but I would hope he's making them in the order that payment was received.


That would just be bad business on my part :). At my work station I have a list of the peeps who paid their address, and date payed. So as I complete each kit I check off, package them and print out the label in paypal.

What I tried doing was actually getting them all done at once, I didnt like this method much so I switched over to a bucket work order method. I put all the info and parts in 1 bucket for each customer. Than I look at my paid list and work in order paid.

[MegasquirtCA]

What i want to know is why people say you cant run a wideband at ALL TIMES. People say it will burn up the wideband.

HOWEVER, some cars COME with widebands.. Why don't their widebands burn up after constant use? I'm confused.


Its not that it will burn up its that it will foul it up if your running rich and give false or delayed readings. Some cars come with widebands but they are usually after the catalytic converter or what VW refers to downstream. VW uses both narrow and wideband. Narrow is refered to upstream which is closer the motor and Wideband refered to downstream which is further away.

[MegasquirtCA]

repost

msglngth

[gotta240]

so why not just put it "downstream" in our cars then? Would the readings be any different?

[statik]

so why not just put it "downstream" in our cars then? Would the readings be any different?

Most people do put it further back, it doesn't effect the readings enough to be an issue, dynos stick the wideband in your muffler and many just rely on that for tuning

[gotta240]

interesting... so i guess i still don't see why nearly everyone says NOT to run it all the time.

The way i see it.

1. run it "downstream" to prevent overheating

2. if you have a wideband you shouldn't be running rich enough to foul it up anyways... i mean, that IS the point of a wideband...

am i totally off here?

[statik]

interesting... so i guess i still don't see why nearly everyone says NOT to run it all the time.

The way i see it.

1. run it "downstream" to prevent overheating

2. if you have a wideband you shouldn't be running rich enough to foul it up anyways... i mean, that IS the point of a wideband...

am i totally off here?

sounds correct to me, I've never heard anyone say don't run a wideband all the time, if you aren't fouling it or overheating it, it works just like it does in veedubs

[GSXRJJordan]

^^^ You don't seem to get it gotta240... a stock "narrowband" o2 sensor is designed to sit in those extreme temps and perform within a very narrow range of AFRs/voltages. Wideband o2 sensors are precision instruments (even the cheap Bosch one), and simply can't take the heat. The difference in that 36" between the turbo and where you're supposed to put the wideband is approx 400* F. Yeah.

In addition to the heat, there's the carbon buildup. Now, stock sensors sit too close to get much carbon buildup - it's too hot for the carbon to "congeal" there. When you start moving back, and the temps come down, the carbon has a chance to stick to stuff - that's why you have more carbon buildup in your muffler tip than your turbo elbow. Running rich just means more carbon.

Statik, that heatsink retails for $90! A regular bung is about $3, and to drill/weld it in would be about $10 at any muffler shop. Sure, you've got double sensors in there, but at least you don't have to mess with your stock harness.

To the OP - great work here. I might be purchasing one of these to support the cause, when your workload slows down a little. Being a former Aircraft Electronics Tech in the Navy, your video with the sig gen and multimeter testing voltage/afr readings made me smile :) It's good to see people still use electrical engineering to solve problems ~

[MegasquirtCA]

Gotta240 its one thing on factory cars for them to be constantly in. However most of are turbocharged and depending on our tuning systems determines how well the afr's will be but normally with turbocharged engines they are ran a little richer to be on the safe side. The constant richness will in time foul the sensor.


Checked with Innovate to prolong the life of the O2 sensor and continue accurate readings it is recommended to FREE AIR Calibrate the sensor 3 months after first use, than after that calibrate it every 10,000 miles or twice a year which ever comes first. So like on your 2nd or 3rd oil change pull out the sensor from exhaust, let it warm up and hit calibrate.

[MegasquirtCA]

Attention for the people who are interested. The manufacture has got the boards in stock.

So if you like to purchase the kits you can do so. However I am leaving for South America this Sunday the 23rd and I come back Jan 5th. So I wouldnt be able to start on them till the 6th but they will be there waiting for me.

[frosti108]

when you say to warm it up before calibrating... do you mean just give it power and ground or do u mean i have to let it sit in the car while its running?

[MegasquirtCA]

Give it power and ground. Dont install the sensor until your done calibrating.

When you give it power and ground with the sensor connected, it'll take about 1-2mins and you'll notice the sensor will get hot. Be careful cause it can burn you.

After your done calibrating, install in exhaust and off you go.

[logik23]

How do you know when the sensor needs to be replaced? Does it tell you when you try to calibrate it?

[champagnes13]

any word on when i should be receiving my wideband?

[GSXRJJordan]

How do you know when the sensor needs to be replaced? Does it tell you when you try to calibrate it?

Usually when a wideband starts going bad, it'll jump back and forth from "normal" readings to "extreme" readings, and since you won't have changed anything, you'll know it's the sensor (instead of "OMG I must have blown something because my A/F's keep jumping from 13.5 to 7 every 2 secs during a cruise down the highway").

Most burned-up widebands will still calibrate fine, in my experience.

[MegasquirtCA]

Alright I got champagnes13 and the homeboy from Canada packages were shipped out earlier in the week.

The only one left is Santiago, his is only delayed because the display was out of stock, they were restock before I left, so its already on its way. Once I get it in I just have to pop it in and package up the kit and off it goes and that will be the last one.


The reason I couldnt get it out the day before my vacation was I tried something new for the harness and it didnt quite work out the way I wanted. So I ran out of time, I was working on them till 4am and I had to leave at 6am since it was a international flight.

Anyways got backed fixed the problem and shipped out after I tested them.

[MegasquirtCA]

Just like jordan said, it'll jump around to extremes. However though if you have the sensor to close to the turbo, extreme EGT's will cause the sensor to give extreme readings as well.

A fouled sensor will cause slow readings.

[S13Boosts]

thats nice, for a diy kit very clean and neat!:bigok:

[MegasquirtCA]

when I do version 2 they will be a lot more professional but also a bigger price tag.

[champagnes13]

wideband recieved jan 22nd. thanks.

[MegasquirtCA]

Hope you like it man, like I said I tried something different with the harness and I wasnt happy so I went back to the way I did the others, aparently experimenting bit me in the ass and I couldnt ship them off before my vacation.

Anyways enjoy, hit me on this thread or PM for any technical support.

[S14DrifTmATic]

by any chance are these kits still available

[MegasquirtCA]

I do these kits by per order. Send me a pm. I'm working on one right now and will have that finished for another customer, I just received another order. So if you like send a pm and we can go from their.

[Harris]

I shall be contacting you on the 15th regarding this. I know that I talked to you a while back about this, but I wasn't able to come around to working on my car until just recently.

[frosti108]

ok so to calibrate it i should be giving it power and ground and then hit the calibrate button? will anything happen when i hit the button?

i tried to calibrate it without giving power and ground, but when i hit the button nothing happened. haha

[MegasquirtCA]

Yes to calibrate the sensor you must give ground and power. Give it a few minutes and the sensor will get hot, becareful it can burn you. After its nice and hot hit calibrate while connected to the computer. You should probably be at a reading of 34.8 I think this means your full oxygen lean. once calibrated you can install into exhaust and give it power and ground off you go.


If you have questions and I dont respond fast enough the CD has FAQ and manual.

If you lost the CD heres the file just install and the manual is installed at the same time.


http://14point7.com/JAW/Soft%20and%20Doc/JAW%20Deploy%20Setup%201.15.exe (http://14point7.com/JAW/Soft%20and%20Doc/JAW%20Deploy%20Setup%201.15.exe)

[Rockogtr]

is the new version out yet? and if is everything in stock how long would it take to make it?i might be intrusted in getting one

[frosti108]

lol sorry for posting that same question again i didnt realize i had already asked. the only computer i can get the software to work on is one at my job LOL they think im uploading viruses and shit

thanks again man

[mifesto]

just to add my penny, i've had some experience w/ wideband with my supraTT and evo and both case, you do NOT leave a wideband o2 in the bung unpowered for long durations. it will simply burn it out if its unpowered. also u have to be careful to power it up AFTER the car starts or it will get cold shock from the initial moisture that blows out of the exhaust at startup. also bung must be above the 3 o'clock or 9oclock position to minimize the moisture it will be exposed to. bung should be before the CAT but close to it as possible (rough rule of thumb) to be far from the turbo

[MegasquirtCA]

is the new version out yet? and if is everything in stock how long would it take to make it?i might be intrusted in getting one


I havent had a chance to work on version 2. I have several projects I'm working like version 2, Honda ecu conversion, my powdercoating, work, school.

However I do hope to have a prototype done soon and what I'll slowly do is build stock from smaller items to the actual PCB.

[frosti108]

alright i just calibrated it the right way lol

heat was at 16, i hit calibrate. it said to make sure its in free air and the heat value is correct, and then i hit ok. so thats all i need to do before it goes in the car right?

ill let you know how she works for me

[gunluvS14]

good stuff :)

[MegasquirtCA]

alright i just calibrated it the right way lol

heat was at 16, i hit calibrate. it said to make sure its in free air and the heat value is correct, and then i hit ok. so thats all i need to do before it goes in the car right?

ill let you know how she works for me


thats correct. make sure you turn the wideband on first before starting the car. Other than that your good to go man.

[frosti108]

works good. just need to weld on the rest of my exhaust now lol

the sensor is so close to the end of the pipe that atmospheric air messes up my reading under partial throttle and below. but i tuned for WOT so far! :)

now im going to mount it up all nice in my dash somehow

[Phil703]

+ 599999999

Good write up.

[MegasquirtCA]

I just want everyone to know I will not be assembling anymore kits for any members of this forum. Im sorry it has come to this as quite a bit of you guys are very supportive and the customers who waited patiently I thank you all and will still be offering technical support. As for the customers who purchased a few weeks ago, I will continue support and finish your orders.

Again I apologize to the people who were planning on having me assemble them wideband kits but unfortunatly some members on here ruined it for you guys and Im not gonna continue to deal with the drama.

[GSXRJJordan]

Sorry to hear that Megasquirt... I know there are some ignorant folks that bandwagon-bash, and some people just aren't patient once they pay money for something. In my opinion, you've been straightforward with everything and offer a good product/service. Hopefully you'll keep checking your PM's :)

[BigVinnie]

http://img139.imageshack.us/img139/1425/jawls4.jpg



You call that data logging?
OMG get the fucking LM1 out!!!

[BigVinnie]

Sorry to hear that Megasquirt... I know there are some ignorant folks that bandwagon-bash,

Fuck that shit, I don't think alot of people bandwagon. I sure don't I'm the lonely mother fucking drifter, no ghey ass crew name either, I just know cheesy gimicks and items that will fall apart before your eye's!!!

[MegasquirtCA]

BigVinnie. If you read my comment above the pic I posted I stated it was primitive. This system will hook up to most engine managment systems and you can datalog using that engine managment. If you dont mind can you find a equal wideband kit that offers the same features that is sub $100? The next one is LC-1 but that doesnt even come with a display, than your hitting $200+ .

[BigVinnie]

BigVinnie. If you read my comment above the pic I posted I stated it was primitive. This system will hook up to most engine managment systems and you can datalog using that engine managment. If you dont mind can you find a equal wideband kit that offers the same features that is sub $100? The next one is LC-1 but that doesnt even come with a display, than your hitting $200+ .


Point is you are taking an item which the engineer or developer intended it to be cheap and you chose to add more devices to it, call it your own and sell it for a higher price.. I don't buy it. If you even call it being primitive than it is what it is...PRIMITIVE. Most developers spend years in there garage before trying to effectively sell a product to the consumer that works well. You simply just caught an idea to make a quick buck, plain and simple.

I'm actually making the smart decision to save my penny's on an innovate LM1 which does everything more than what you wouldn't expect from a wee wide band.

[MegasquirtCA]

Point is you are taking an item which the engineer or developer intended it to be cheap and you chose to add more devices to it, call it your own and sell it for a higher price.. I don't buy it. If you even call it being primitive than it is what it is...PRIMITIVE. Most developers spend years in there garage before trying to effectively sell a product to the consumer that works well. You simply just caught an idea to make a quick buck, plain and simple.

I'm actually making the smart decision to save my penny's on an innovate LM1 which does everything more than what you wouldn't expect from a wee wide band.



BigVinnie you do realize I lose money on this? I make NO PROFIT what so ever. All Im doing is offering a service to assemble. The price you see is my cost theirs no hidden tricks. I've lost probably $30 since I started. I've stated hundreds of times in this thread that I AM NOT the creator, I AM NOT PROFITING, etc etc. The developer intended this to be a cheap wideband kit, he only designed the software so he can give something to the customer and allow them to update the firmware. The intended purpose of this kit it A. Act as a Wideband reader. B. Hook up to your engine managment system as a controller.

So I dont appreciate you coming in here accusing me of making money of this kit, and thinking Im claiming its better than most wideband, cause it shows you obviously didnt read the thread as your posts were all false.

Thats great that your gonna buy a LM-1 I've used it before and I know its a great system no doubt it. Yes it may have more features but come on how many people are even gonna use them. Plus the cost difference between this kit and the LM-1 is like 5 times.

[BigVinnie]

BigVinnie you do realize I lose money on this? I make NO PROFIT what so ever.

Welcome to business 101. Every one starts out with losses. Through learning through your losses there is more to gain in the future..
Anyway if thats the case stop wasting your time. The JAW is cheap and not very accurate and I wouldn't recommend it for anything else than testing stock OEM set up's.
When you start getting into engine set ups that become more expensive you wouldn't want your investment to go down the crapper testing with sub par equipment.
Bosch sensors suck (which NGK does offer a compatible sensor that works much better)
Also to make a note, no one knows this backyard developer of the JAW and people haven't cared to even put it on a level for testing to much more effective and superior equipment, and you can probably answer the question to that yourself.

[MegasquirtCA]

Welcome to business 101. Every one starts out with losses. Through learning through your losses there is more to gain in the future..
Anyway if thats the case stop wasting your time. The JAW is cheap and not very accurate and I wouldn't recommend it for anything else than testing stock OEM set up's.
When you start getting into engine set ups that become more expensive you wouldn't want your investment to go down the crapper testing with sub par equipment.
Bosch sensors suck (which NGK does offer a compatible sensor that works much better)
Also to make a note, no one knows this backyard developer of the JAW and people haven't cared to even put it on a level for testing to much more effective and superior equipment, and you can probably answer the question to that yourself.


Umm im not running a business Im not doing this to make money, I'm donating my time to help people. So get that through your head. Theirs no business, theirs no profits.

As for bosch sensors according to a article that was posted on this forum of a company that put a bunch of wideband kits to the test. Innovate was pretty much number 1, and the NGK was near last from what I recalled. I see a lot high HP people using Bosch sensors for their widebands must really suck.


Stop making assumptions and do some research, just because you dont know him doesnt mean anything. He has received a bit of help and guidance from very respected tuner, software/electrical engineers in the honda industry.

When the JAW kit came out the firmware wasnt as great as the current release and its actually quite accurate. I borrowed my buddies LM-1 and the reading were practically identical.

Anyways its pointless to argue, but thanks for shitting in this thread all though their was no real reason to be a douchebag because no claims were made. But hey your exactly the reason why I'm not offering my services to this forum anymore, shit on a person/product because its not High Dollar.



EDIT: Found the thread, my bad bro NGK was dead last.

http://www.fordmuscle.com/archives/2007/06/WidebandShootout/index.php

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=174599

http://img183.imageshack.us/img183/5715/chartlgqa6.jpg

[BigVinnie]

Umm im not running a business Im not doing this to make money, I'm donating my time to help people. So get that through your head. Theirs no business, theirs no profits.

As for bosch sensors according to a article that was posted on this forum of a company that put a bunch of wideband kits to the test. Innovate was pretty much number 1, and the NGK was near last from what I recalled. I see a lot high HP people using Bosch sensors for their widebands must really suck.


Stop making assumptions and do some research, just because you dont know him doesnt mean anything. He has received a bit of help and guidance from very respected tuner, software/electrical engineers in the honda industry.

When the JAW kit came out the firmware wasnt as great as the current release and its actually quite accurate. I borrowed my buddies LM-1 and the reading were practically identical.

Anyways its pointless to argue, but thanks for shitting in this thread all though their was no real reason to be a douchebag because no claims were made. But hey your exactly the reason why I'm not offering my services to this forum anymore, shit on a person/product because its not High Dollar.



EDIT: Found the thread, my bad bro NGK was dead last.



O.K then smart ass, to make it short with you widebands have a short life cycle compared to narrowbands. An NGK wide band sensor will last longer with less defects than the bosch wideband sensor, I've done my research. There is less error using the NGK sensor over a longer duration of time. I'm simply talking compatibility between sensor type, not the actual units used.

Also whats the sample rate on the JAW? You mind giving me the answer, or let me guess it doesn't come in the instruction manual.

Now in the case of the JAW there is interchangeability between the Bosch and NGK type sensors. With the LM-1 it is fine tuned to using a Bosch only sensor from what I understand. Now in the case with the JAW and interchangeability there will also be variables involved using different sensor types so you mind explaining that to me?

NGK sensor used for a wide range of wide band systems, including OEM DSM's.
http://www.bmotorsports.com/shop/product_info.php/products_id/352

[boozels]

add me to the list
sooo down

[xpl2007]

BIG V knows his shit!

[MegasquirtCA]

O.K then smart ass, to make it short with you widebands have a short life cycle compared to narrowbands. An NGK wide band sensor will last longer with less defects than the bosch wideband sensor, I've done my research. There is less error using the NGK sensor. I'm simply talking compatibility between sensor type, not the actual units used.

Also whats the sample rate on the JAW? You mind giving me the answer, or let me guess it doesn't come in the instruction manual.

Now in the case of the JAW there is interchangeability between the Bosch and NGK type sensors. With the LM-1 it is fine tuned to using a Bosch only sensor form what I understand. Now in tghe case with the JAW and interchangeabilitythere will also be variables involved using different sensor types.


Im not the smart ass, your the one coming in here shitting in this thread, where were you months ago when this thread started why now.


If I remember correctly dont hold me to it I think the sample rate was tenth of a second or hundreth of a second.

JAW can only work with the Bosch LSU 4.2 sensor, its not even compatible with the Bosch LSU 4.9, let alone the NGK.


A replacement sensor for the NGK is $160, the Bosch is $50.

[BigVinnie]

Im not the smart ass, your the one coming in here shitting in this thread, where were you months ago when this thread started why now.



I took a long break from these bullshit threads and zilvia. I'm back bitches!!!!!


I tried to mimick the functionality of the Innovate LM-1 the only difference is mine is just smaller.

http://www.genuinesaab.com/catalog/images/LM1kit.jpg

The only difference is yours is smaller??WTF?
This statement of yours on page 1 is what got my blood boiling. If you don't like the heat of the comments your getting ,just do the best thing you should do and take it down.

You cannot come close to having a copy of an LM-1 using a JAW, just for reference. It's the statements that you made that are getting you into trouble with your reputation, which I've been kind not to hit you with the rep stick yet, rather yet just deal with the humility. It makes you look like a sleezy, cheezy, salesman.

[MegasquirtCA]

I took a long break from these bullshit threads and zilvia. I'm back bitches!!!!!



The only difference is yours is smaller??WTF?
This statement of yours on page 1 is what got my blood boiling. If you don't like the heat of the comments your getting ,just do the best thing you should do and take it down.

You cannot come close to having a copy of an LM-1 using a JAW, just for reference. It's the statements that you made that are getting you into trouble with your reputation, which I've been kind not to hit you with the rep stick yet, rather yet just deal with the humility. It makes you look like a sleezy, cheezy, salesman.


Im sorry but I said Mimick Functionality. Last time I checked LM-1 is a wideband controller with display and dataloging. Last time I checked JAW is a Wideband controller with display and datalogging. NO WHERE ABSOLUTLY NO WHERE does it say its better, has more features, is more accurate than the LM-1 or any wideband for that matter.

Your just nit picking anything to justify your comments. Do you seriously think I care if you neg rep me? Not to mention yours would barely do anything at all, I wouldnt be surprised if I'm back in the green soon. You gotta be pathetic if you truly think thats gonna mean something by neg repping someone.


Again im not a sales person not making any money yada yada, learn to read blah blah.

This thread originally started to show everyone the JAW kit. Everyone got excited and I realized some people wanted to try it but didnt have the skills to put it together, so I offered to help. Some of the comments I made was to help people understand what we're talking about.

Soo anything else? I reread the first post and I still dont see why your being a bitch.


EDIT: Dont post in this thread anymore, your just ruining it and this thread is filled with great information regarding widebands in general.

[BigVinnie]

Im sorry but I said Mimick Functionality. Last time I checked LM-1 is a wideband controller with display and dataloging. Last time I checked JAW is a Wideband controller with display and datalogging.

The functionality isn't the same at all man... Thats the difference between a $60 wide band, and a $300 wideband, you simply can't mimick that.
I've dealt with the LM-1 on the dyno, and dyno tuned my own KA with an SAFC, the real time tuning involved that you get with the LM-1 comes no where near that fucking piece of shit $60 JAW. You can quote me.
I used the wideband sensor at the tail pipe of the exhaust and still used a catylitic converter, the JAW can come no where near that precision for reading the exhaust gases from the end of my pipe especially after my AIV dumps a shit load of air into the exhaust system.
Now to the developer of the JAW, I do owe some respect to as he has presented something in the market place for people that are simple, and do simple tuning solutions, but no where, I will say it again, no where does the JAW come close or could even be mimicked in anyway to the LM-1.
Have you even opened up an LM-1? It is far more sophisticated than that little piece of shit daughter board that the JAW comes on, it's a fucking joke...

Not to mention that you don't instruct the difficulty of calibrating the JAW for people that have never used a wideband before. I can tell you for ease of use the LC-1 is better at calibrating than the JAW, since the developer of the JAW compares his product with display to an LC-1 with no display. You get what you pay for and the cheaper the product, can sometime come at the expense of some one elses time for tuning. There are calibrating flaws with the JAW that I don't like, and the tuning features are archaic and aren't very simple. When you get into affording more expensive widebands then maybe you will see what I am talking about, as far as ease of use.

You did nothing but hype it up and put it in a plastic case, the developer of the JAW sells plastic cases him self with an instruction manual for install. If not anyone can buy a plastic case at any computer chip shop for like $2~$5. Don't fuckin think about punking me into your little stupid pathetic business ploy, it won't work. Why don't you go back to your 240sxforums, with the rest of the little kids, and come back when you can act like an adult, and understand what representation is. You need to understand who you are and what you represent when you take some one else's shit, take weeks to build it for other forum members, sell it and call it your own. In the process of you "acting nice and responsible, which it is an act"; you take weeks to ship out something that should take you hours, (LITERALLY). There was no reason why members of Zilvia should of waited from what I have seen in this thread, up to a month before receiving there product.
You probably pissed off the dude that made the JAW as well, since he himself can sell cases, and put together the DIY kits for his own device.. Ever think of that one jerk off. Just because you have experience putting together a mega squirt doesn't make you king of the chip assembly. I'm out of this thread indefinitely.



BTW I hope you like that rep I sent you.

[MegasquirtCA]

Wow your truly pathetic but whatever.



http://blah.de/bilder/blah-postkarte-20.jpg



I love the negative feedback, but what I loved more is the numerous positive feedback of how many people disagree with you and think your a retard.

Do a search on google for JAW Wideband you'll see its a great success and has been tested against other widebands. If the guys on MSEFI give it the OK than I trust them, and trust me they would put you to shame. I have 2 bungs on my downpipe and I used both the LM-1 and JAW. I did this when I first got my JAW so I can see how accurate it was. The readings were practically identical, the only time where it was a significant difference was when it got to lean conditions of about 17,18 AFR but they pretty much were parallel the richer you got. And that has been confirmed on a few forums and confirmed by the creator.

But hey your the one that fucked this thread because you made some bullshit claims just for the sake of argument I mean seriously your truly pathetic, no where in this thread were any claims, and what HYPE their was no hype. I posted my stuff and everyone got excited thats not hype.

Alan does not include a casing, he puts up ideas on the site from what previous members have done. The only casing thats included is in his new wideband that hes coming with called NAW. Its the size of a credit card.

[BigVinnie]

I love the negative feedback, but what I loved more is the numerous positive feedback of how many people disagree with you and think your a retard.



Don't think so brah, the rep speaks for itself. So you and the rainbow kids that disagree with me have a good gay ol' time....
Last thing I didn't see from you is a warranty for all this suppose to be free work, if you do the work back up your shit!
Your also getting close to being banned from what I see with your red indication, let this thread R.I.P man.

AllStyle rules bitches!!! yeah!!

[Ninjabread]

BigVin, you have serious issues man.

All this guy did was provide a service to the people of zilvia. All his points are valid, and i have to agree when he says that you are nit-picking his posts just to justify your arguments.

Honestly, you need to shut up for a second. I'm tired of getting the thread updates and seeing "BigVin : blah blah blah my epenis is bigger than yours i have a small brain blah blah".

.

[deuceforty]

so what would be the price for a fully assempled and enclosed JAW? i can get the o2 sensor myself

[frosti108]

hey man i got my exhaust welded up to the back of the car. still having the same problem though. i constantly get readings of like 19:1 and leaner. once in a while under some accel i will get a realistic reading, but its rare. obviously, the car wouldnt be running at 19:1, so theres gotta be something wrong.

now ive only had this sensor/reader installed for about a month or less, and its been doing this since i put it in. do you think the sensor is bad? or the reader? or do you think a recallibration would do it? im dyin here

[Ninjabread]

How much do you know about widebands?
If nothing, please say nothing.
Please; I will step aside for a moment while you educate the rest of us.
Please bring some knowledge to this forum, at least if I'm going to talk shit I have experience to back it up.

BLAH BLAH BLAH BLAH to you too...

Who gives a crap what I know about widebands, I'm talking about the way you are treating this guy who has done NOTHING WRONG.

Whooptie fucking doo, you know more about widebands than I do. Does that mean you have the right do disrespect this guy? NO!

Just using your knowledge to be an e-thug doesn't do anybody any good. Especially when the guy said he wasn't going to offer his service anymore. It's not like he's trying to convince more people to buy them, so I don't get why you are still in here ragging on about nothing.

"brahhhhhh"

[deuceforty]

hey man i got my exhaust welded up to the back of the car. still having the same problem though. i constantly get readings of like 19:1 and leaner. once in a while under some accel i will get a realistic reading, but its rare. obviously, the car wouldnt be running at 19:1, so theres gotta be something wrong.

now ive only had this sensor/reader installed for about a month or less, and its been doing this since i put it in. do you think the sensor is bad? or the reader? or do you think a recallibration would do it? im dyin here

check for exhaust leaks, my UEGO was doing that for a while and i looked back and the 5 bolt dump pipe gasket from the back of the turbo exhaust housing had blown through

[BigVinnie]

Just using your knowledge to be an e-thug doesn't do anybody any good.


I'm not an E-thug, E-thugs make threats, I tell it how it is, your just an emo crybaby, that doesn't know shit.

[Ninjabread]

Haha you're calling me an emo crybaby, and saying you're not an e-thug?

Come up here and say that to my face you worthless fuck.

Anyway, I'm done posting here.

[downshift_sideways]

^I can vouch for vinnie. He WILL say it to your face, because thats the type of person he is.

He does have great points in this thread.
For the Record the JAW is the cheap shit base of a wideband.

NinjaBreed. you might need some ice from that last burn.

[Ninjabread]

For the Record the JAW is the cheap shit base of a wideband.

Thats the whole issue. Did he ever say it wasn't? He clearly states that it's a CHEAP way to do it.

[BigVinnie]

Thats the whole issue. Did he ever say it wasn't? He clearly states that it's a CHEAP way to do it.

What you fail to understand is the word mimic means to copy.
In other words to make in direct correlation to an existing product to make it as a copy of, or as to work the same. That is as simple as that definition gets without being literal. In this case the JAW does not function at all as the LM-1, nor in my mind does it come close to the LC-1. The only reason why the JAW happens to be a wideband that is put on any level of a wideband is because it gives you the display for monitoring as well as BASIC data logging features that are in essence retarded to that of the LC-1 with no display, or LM-1 when you are dealing with a slow refresh (sample) rate. On any level it is sub par to both the LC-1 and the LM-1 do to the simple fact that the effort it takes to calibrate the JAW is very substandard to todays widebands. The technology of the JAW comes from very simple programming and chip architecture that has been around since the 1980's, and early 90's and if this was the 80's, and 90's it would be an expensive device worth over $300, but that isn't the case. It's old technology built around new firm ware and there isn't much to say about the firmware either. I think the designer of the JAW understands this and is why he sells it for $60 without going in depth about the draw backs that his own unit performs at, if he did discuss the draw backs he wouldn't be selling any JAW unit's .
I also don't like the $50 bosch sensor, it just continues to put the JAW on that cheap short life wideband level. Although the LM-1 uses the bocsch, the programming is much more effective to work with that sensor, the firm ware is that good, not to mention the LM-1 is more responsive to dealing with errors unlike the JAW using that sensor type

Now to MegaSquirtCA; it would of been fine to keep your thread simple and just say" hey if you can't do the DYI, or don't want to pay for the DYI, I can do it for you effectively and put it into a nice looking plastic box". But no that wasn't the case you felt that you had to hype up this product. For those that don't know shit about widebands and look up a retail price of over a $300 LM-1, and then chose to buy the JAW they are thinking they are getting a bargain when you claim that you can mimic this product. It's actually very tasteless, it has no tact, and it's an old sales ploy that you are taught as a business major, or in marketing in college, which some of you are still in high school and don't understand this type of marketing yet.I'm saving the consumer that doesn't know shit about widebands. So while you think I'm an asshole and you think you want to neg rep me think again, I am proposing positive enlightenment, to this fucked up situation.
For those of you that bought the JAW, I feel bad for you as at least you could of bought an AEM UEGO with no datalogging, and a better sample rate than that of the JAW has, not to mention the calibration on a UEGO is simple, and it looks nicer than any plastic box you put the JAW into.

Thats my 2cent's without being angry Vinnie

[gotta240]

Although there has been a bit of flaming, this thread(inlcuding angry vinnie) has been very informative.

[okterrific]

well, I just ordered mine directly from the site. Big Vinnie, seriously man.. wtf are you talking about ? it comes from tech from the '80s, '90s? dude... its a microprocessor.. they have been around since... well... the dawn of computing. If you think the LM-1 uses anything different... good luck to you ! Furthermore, there is not too much to the firmware itself, its a simple mapping of this voltage == this A/F. really really simple. Even if it is a non linear input, it can be modled with a simple formula to convert.

For the UEGO, it does have an analog 0-5v output that can be easily hooked up into a rs232 serial connector. Second, its does not have open air calibration, which sucks. Third, its range is not as great as the JAW kit.

I just don't like you knocking the JAW kit because its not a brand name/ its a DIY kit. Thats just like saying an AEM EMS or even a megasquarts/biki is better than just using a rom tune/ECCS, since the rom tune setup is <200 bucks and the AEM unit is >1000, etc. But then again, you tune on a SAFC, so, I guess I am not too surprised. well, I just ordered mine directly from the site. Big Vinnie, seriously man.. wtf are you talking about ? it comes from tech from the '80s, '90s? dude... its a microprocessor.. they have been around since... well... the dawn of computing. If you think the LM-1 uses anything different... good luck to you ! Furthermore, there is not too much to the firmware itself, its a simple mapping of this voltage == this A/F. really really simple. Even if it is a non linear input, it can be modled with a simple formula to convert.

For the UEGO, it does have an analog 0-5v output that can be easily hooked up into a rs232 serial connector. Second, its does not have open air calibration, which sucks. Third, its range is not as great as the JAW kit.

I just don't like you knocking the JAW kit because its not a brand name/ its a DIY kit. Thats just like saying an AEM EMS or even a megasquarts/biki is better than just using a rom tune/ECCS, since the rom tune setup is <200 bucks and the AEM unit is >1000, etc. But then again, you tune on a SAFC, so, I guess I am not too surprised.

[BigVinnie]

I just don't like you knocking the JAW kit because its not a brand name/ its a DIY kit. Thats just like saying an AEM EMS or even a megasquarts/biki is better than just using a rom tune/ECCS, since the rom tune setup is <200 bucks and the AEM unit is >1000, etc. But then again, you tune on a SAFC, so, I guess I am not too surprised.


Muahahahahahaha..
Dude seriously I'm not knocking the JAW, I'm knocking on hommie for comparing to an LM-1, or to think it can be mimicked, or anythig a like....
Not at all the case.....

Have fun with your JAW.....You have no clue what the fuck sample rates are.


I tuned an SAFC to prove that it makes power with it's simplicity, and not at all am I saying that an SAFC is top of the line. Nore do I make bold blasphemous statements that an SAFC could be compared to a G-Reddy emanage....LOL ... So what the fuck does that have to do with anything????

[okterrific]

max sample rate : 100hz (or for you, thats 100 times a second)
min sample rate : 10hz (10 times a second)
its configurable in the software. From my understanding, the LM-1 is 12 a second, so it looks like JAWs wins this one.

Next, lets, see. the LM-1 claims .1% accuracy, and the JAW claims .01%, looks like JAW wins again.

I never claimed that SAFC was top of the line or on equal grounds with anyone other EMS. I was simply stating you seem to like expensive things with name brands. The SAFC is a good example of something way overpriced for what it provides. SAFC sucks, simple as that.

The only thing I was comparing emange and the like to was ECCS/Rom tuning, and how you can accomplish a hell of a lot more with ECCS for a lot of cheaper of a price than with any wicked overpriced standalone crap.

This all ties back to the orginal topic, in that, rom tuning is DIY, as is this kit, and yet rom tuning is greater than anything you can buy, so why can't this be on par with a commercial product, too ?

[BigVinnie]

max sample rate : 100hz (or for you, thats 100 times a second)
min sample rate : 10hz (10 times a second)
its configurable in the software. From my understanding, the LM-1 is 12 a second, so it looks like JAWs wins this one.

Next, lets, see. the LM-1 claims .1% accuracy, and the JAW claims .01%, looks like JAW wins again.


12 times a second beats 10 times a second basic math. You also aren't paying attention that is the LM-1's lowest efficient setting when you data log 44 minutes of data is 12 samples a second, it's far more efficient than you think. Your way off base on this one.
The LM-1 is self calibrating, and even tells the tuner when the sensors starts to go bad....
If I had an instrument that clocked 10 times a second I could see why the accuracy drops to .01..... But then your giving up a more efficient sample rate, over computation accuracy which still blows. The objective is to have the highest sample rate with the least amount of error. Your still not compensating for that.
The firmware of the LM-1 is far beyond what JAW has to offer, sorry to say but thats the truth.
This really shouldn't be an argument.
I wouldn't buy an LM-1 because it's a name brand, I would buy an LM-1 because it is notoriously the best piece of equipment on the market hands down.

Now to further more state that an SAFC is shit, it is something to be noted that it works great for any one that keeps making corrections to rom tunes or keeps adding additional bolt ons, it's great for basic tuning until some one completes there build and is comfortable with A/Fr settings ( which can be years down the line for many people). Besides I received my SAFC for dirt cheap so it was worth every penny. Of coarse standalone is truly the way to go which in any case if I had the boocoo bucks it would be a haltech, or AEM EMS. Not some megasquirt that is more of a pain in the ass than anything.

DIY's are fun but they are not as reliable as a product that is manufactured and given a warranty. You can't beat that, and thats why the JAW cannot be compared to products that are backed and approved. Thats just a glimpse of reality for you.

[okterrific]

Ok, last time I am going to reply to this.
1) 10hz is the MINIMUM sample rate. you can set it to 10,20,30,40,50, etc. up to 100hz. This is CONFIGURABLE in the software.

2) My second point is still stands, I would much rather buy a Calum or Nistune ECCS setup than an EMS & et all. Hell, I would rather convert to the U12 Stanza ecu and use an emulator for realtime.

[johngriff]

Ok, last time I am going to reply to this.
1) 10hz is the MINIMUM sample rate. you can set it to 10,20,30,40,50, etc. up to 100hz. This is CONFIGURABLE in the software.

2) My second point is still stands, I would much rather buy a Calum or Nistune ECCS setup than an EMS & et all. Hell, I would rather convert to the U12 Stanza ecu and use an emulator for realtime.

The Microcontroller is a POS.
http://www.atmel.com/dyn/resources/prod_documents/2545S.pdf

8 Bit? 4mhz? NO A/D input?

Atmel?

28 PIN DIP? Kill me now.

The maxim chip is a crutch for the POS Atmel.

Could have build the whole thing without dips and through-hole garbage for $8 a piece at a board house, have it 1/10th the size using qfp devices. The use of this garbage can type diy build is what makes it reminicent of the 70's or 80's era equipment. The only thing that brings this close to the future is the use of an led 7seg and VW/Bosch's 4 wire.


As for the quoted sample rate, thats a bunch of garbage, thats how many times the firmware would "like" to take a sample. Its maximum REAL sample rate will be much much less (obviously).

Is this ROHS compliant? Or are we killing ourselves and poisoning our ground water with this?

The thread has been trashed. Buy this because you like tinkering. Don't buy it because you are low $, if you are not tech smart and don't have the money, work more and buy lm-1,plx, or NGK and save your time.

Remember Time = Money too.

[BigVinnie]

^^^^^ Major dap for Johngriff stepping up to the plate....... It's a home run!!!!!LOL

[BigVinnie]

8 Bit? 4mhz? NO A/D input?

Atmel?

28 PIN DIP? Kill me now.



If I remember correctly those 28PIN Atmel use to be in the old school 8 bit nintendo cartridges. I use to see chips that were labeled Atmel on them.
I bet you these chips have been stored in a dry fridge for like 20 years or so because these chips couldn't be properly disposed of.

[xs240]

Just ran across this thread, any updates on people's uses with this? Does this replace the o2 completely like the lc1? Or .. is it an additional o2 and still needs the stock o2?

Does it work with nistune?

[GSXRJJordan]

Just ran across this thread, any updates on people's uses with this? Does this replace the o2 completely like the lc1? Or .. is it an additional o2 and still needs the stock o2?

Does it work with nistune?

I do not believe it has a narrowband output - that's what you need to replace the stock 02 sensor... but you don't want to put your wideband in the stock location anyway, so you shouldn't have a problem having your OEM sensor plugged in.

It should work just as well as any other wideband for Nistune, since it uses the standard 5V output.

[C_MONEY]

I've always heard good things about the jaw , i guess for the price its better then nothing

[xs240]

Oh okay, well my o2 is actually at the downpipe. I have a 4-2-1 header which replaces regular manifold and downpipe. The o2 is right before the cat at the downpipe end, so thats not bad i think. Correct me if I'm wrong say yay or nay heh

[champagnes13]

i've been using this for almost a year now. no problems. my car runs great, and the jaw has been really helpful. i bought the jaw from the OP.

brief list of mods:
s13 sr
greddy t518z
pfc
sti injectors
z32 maf