autopower roll cages

[jackal264]

does anyone have any experience with these cages? they have a bolt in and a weld in version. any input or experience would be great. or even a better alternative if you have any sugestions.


edit: i should also mention that his cage is for an s14 w/ sunroof.

[420sx]

a weld in version is an addition to a 4 point bolt in.

its ssca legal.

its inexpensive

the front section doesnt fit too great

[Full-Lock]

i have their 4pt. bar in my s14....the bolt in one.

it fit awesome..i would definatly get it again, but i kinda wish it was a 6. i hear the 6pt bars dont fit very nice thought

[mehsilvia]

i have their 4pt. bar in my s14....the bolt in one.

it fit awesome..i would definatly get it again, but i kinda wish it was a 6. i hear the 6pt bars dont fit very nice thought

Same here. 4pt Race, fit perfect, would again, wish 6pt, heard same.

[Brian]

The 6 point front part...... good god.
just................ terrible to say the least.

[Koopa Troopa]

Arn't the 6 point Autopower cages behind the dash?

[s14_rob]

does any one have pictures of the s14 6point front part i was thinking about taking my next pay check and getting one put now i have to see about the fitment

[LongGrain]

good to hear everyone likes the 4pt roll bar, i plan to get one for my s13!

[Koopa Troopa]

I still don't see how a behind the dash roll cage can have horrible fitment...

[KA24DESOneThree]

This is relevant to your interests:
http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=140575&highlight=autopower

So is this:
http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=143195&highlight=autopower


You're putting a rollbar/cage in your car and you still have a sunroof? For shame. Take that ish out, fill hole with carbon fiber panel, done. You don't need that weight hanging out at the top of the car.

The Autopower A pillar bars DO NOT go behind the dash, and that's why they suck. You end up having your wrists where they are.

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showpost.php?p=1180793&postcount=118

[randyjordan]

distance from steering wheel to bar is pretty shitty too

[jackal264]

wow those a pillar bars are terrible. do you guys know if all wrap around dash style bars will be like those or if i went with like a cusco or safety 21 cage they would fit better? i don't want to cut into the dash but is all wrap arround bars are like that then i might just have to.

[Flybert]

Cusco/Safety 21 fit so awesome around the dash but they aren't as safe in a rollover.

[CodyW]

i have a modified version of their 6-point (modified the door bars to make them FD/nopi drift legal) in my S14 and it's tolerable, considering the price. the front pillar bars do suck pretty bad, but other than that it's not horrible. i also had to get mine last minute and i believe it was made for a non-sunroof model (and i have a sunroof) which made me have to tear out the headliner and cut out part of the sunroof frame, but that wasn't a huge upset.

http://codywellons.com/photos/S14_autopower_cage.jpg

[614duece40]

if you have the money just build your own cage, and make it fit the way you want.

[jackal264]

well thats what i'm trying to decide. there is a local shop here that will do a custom weld in 6pt cage installed for 600cnd but they will go through the dash. they also do a 12 pt for 1200 so their prices are very resonable but i want to check all my options first.

[GSXRJJordan]

I've heard all this before, when I was lookin at gettin the Autopower 6pt - 4pt bolt in is OK, but the A pillar sucks ass.

What I'm curious about, is how the people that went from 4pt to 6pt felt about it - any actual improvement? I'm of the <completely unsubstantiated> opinion that if your 6pt doesn't go through the firewall to the shock towers (making it F-D/SCCA illegal), the front part is probably pretty useless... can anyone lend credibility to this?

Basically I'm tryin to figure out how sorry I'd be if I sprung for a 4pt now, vs waiting to do a weld in/custom next year.

[s13hector]

on a s13 where about the back seat and the panel ,what do you do there ,cause i would like to buy one but keep my back seat and panels,does anyone has a pic on an s13

[hellion240sx]

from threads back in the day. those aren't safe in rollovers! just get a custom roll cage. it will fit your 240 like a glove. think about it. your car has shifted a little bit in the past 16-10 years. custom is the way to go. you'll have more flexibility with a custom setup. where as if you haev one that is meant for your car you have to work around the caage. example from the guy above that had to cut the sunroof frame. etc. just my 2 cents.

[GSXRJJordan]

Custom cages are around 3x more expensive than used Autopowers. That's why some people are interested :/

[MomentumGT]

Custom cages are around 3x more expensive than used Autopowers. That's why some people are interested :/


Its too bad people will compromise their own safety for a "good price". AutoPower 6pt is crap, just good enough to get you by tech inspection. God forbid anyone gets into a serious roll over and gets really injured by a crappy safety product. Reguardless of what you get, Ap, Safety 21, custom (sactioned racing org. approved), should not be run on the street. Think about getting T-boned at 20-30mph and having your naked head bounce off one of those so called safety bars and no those pool toy foam floating devices wont save your head either. I have a cracked Bell helmet to prove it and it was a spin out not a crash. Just my 2 cents.

-Jon

[sliksta1]

so whats a good cage for the street and the track that will pass for most racing events. i drive my car everyday and also would like to track it every now and then. somethig that wouldnt compromise my safety on the street. just a regular 4pt?

[Slidin240Wayz]

Weld in the rear 4-pt.

Get custom a pillar and X bars and you will be all set.

Safety 1st.

[revat619]

I have the autopower 4pt in my s14 with a sunroof. Fitment is great; very snug against the roof and panels. I have no problems with it at all. And fuck anybody if you think i'm gonna get rid of MY sunroof. I like it. Weight savings blah blah blah, this isnt a road race car for me, its a street/drift car. I dont care. but i digress...

However, if i were to go six point, i would have those parts custom made cuz the autopower 6 point sucks balls and then some.

Sliksta, a basic 4 point is perfect for what you want.

Autopower, Safety 21, Cusco, etc, they're all the same at the 4 point level. Its when you get into 6 point + territory that design/compromised safety become an issue.

[mehsilvia]

If you are tracking your daily, just get the 4-pt and be done with it. It will pass Tech and you can even opt for removable cross/harness bars if that back seat is important to ya.

[McRussellPants]

I have a cracked Bell helmet to prove it and it was a spin out not a crash. Just my 2 cents.

-Jon

Gross.

Make better seat rails.



Autopower 6pt is worse than aids.

The OP will never need an SCCA legal cage. Same could be said for all but one other person in this thread.

Kirk Racing 4pt or bust.

[Koopa Troopa]

Its too bad people will compromise their own safety for a "good price". AutoPower 6pt is crap, just good enough to get you by tech inspection. God forbid anyone gets into a serious roll over and gets really injured by a crappy safety product. Reguardless of what you get, Ap, Safety 21, custom (sactioned racing org. approved), should not be run on the street. Think about getting T-boned at 20-30mph and having your naked head bounce off one of those so called safety bars and no those pool toy foam floating devices wont save your head either. I have a cracked Bell helmet to prove it and it was a spin out not a crash. Just my 2 cents.

-Jon


My friend was t-boned at 80 kp/h and the investigation said the only reason he's still alive today is because of the door bars on his bolt in roll cage. I've put a car into a guardrail at 100 kp/h and walked away laughing. My friends have seen numerous cars roll over and they walked away.. All with bolt in cages.

Bolt in cages like Cusco, Autopower work.

[seven.62]

i have an auto power full 6pt in my s14 with sun roff and i cant complain at all i guess it could be a little tighter to the roof but, whatever its not close to my head or anything and it goes down tight to the dash.

[gunluvS14]

simple question.
where is the best place to buy the autopower bolt-in 4pt bar/cage?

also, what's the trick of installation? how do u cut holes of the interior panels?

[s14_rob]

i have an auto power full 6pt in my s14 with sun roff and i cant complain at all i guess it could be a little tighter to the roof but, whatever its not close to my head or anything and it goes down tight to the dash. any pics?
blah blah blah

[Flipzide]

any pics?
blah blah blah

there's already a picture of a s14 w/ a 6 pt autopower already :squintd:

[chuy]

I just bought a 4 point one and the paint is trashed but they said it would happen. Waiting to find a powder coat

[Koopa Troopa]

You're putting a rollbar/cage in your car and you still have a sunroof? For shame. Take that ish out, fill hole with carbon fiber panel, done. You don't need that weight hanging out at the top of the car.


I've got a lightweight edition Safety 21 8 point in my car and I still have a functional sunroof. As far as weight reduction goes... I won't have to worry about weight when I finally get my POS tuned for 1.5 bar.:rawk:That's the beauty of turbos. Instead of ripping shit out you can just turn up the boost. :p

[ixfxi]

This car is a hundred percent death proof. Only to get the benefit of it, honey, you REALLY need to be sitting in my seat.

[mehsilvia]

I've got a lightweight edition Safety 21 8 point in my car and I still have a functional sunroof. As far as weight reduction goes... I won't have to worry about weight when I finally get my POS tuned for 1.5 bar.:rawk:That's the beauty of turbos. Instead of ripping shit out you can just turn up the boost. :p

Well i ripped my shit out. And when i get my POS tuned for 1.5 bar, im gonna own ur ass :boink:

[seven.62]

any pics?
blah blah blah

yea here is a pic of me in the seat showing how much space i have from the seat to the bars. for my head to hit the bar above me i would have to come very far out of the seat at least 4 or 5 inches and i doubt that will happen because i have the correct harness to keep me in the seat(6pt. cam lock).
and yes it will have padding on it also. I would not recommend using this cage without a bucket seat that will hold you in place, you wouldnt want to be flailing around in a stock type seat during a accident with a cage in your car.
sorry for the shitty look the sun was right in my eyes when i took the pic.
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r185/sevenpt62/Photo-0020-1.jpg
http://i144.photobucket.com/albums/r185/sevenpt62/Photo-0021.jpg
the only thing i am wondering now is that since my seat is lower than the harness bar do i mount it directly back to the bar that is behind the seat, i know it would go over the smaller bar and then mount on the larger bar below it. but now that is the one directly behind me, so do i just forego the smaller one and put it one the one behind me?

[MomentumGT]

Gross.

Make better seat rails.

Autopower 6pt is worse than aids.

The OP will never need an SCCA legal cage. Same could be said for all but one other person in this thread.

Kirk Racing 4pt or bust.

Not seat rails here. The seat is fixed, supported, and brakets are welded to the car.

-Jon

[Slidin240Wayz]

the only thing i am wondering now is that since my seat is lower than the harness bar do i mount it directly back to the bar that is behind the seat, i know it would go over the smaller bar and then mount on the larger bar below it. but now that is the one directly behind me, so do i just forego the smaller one and put it one the one behind me?

http://www.takataracingproducts.com/guide.html

15 degrees from your shoulder's tangent.

[MomentumGT]

My friend was t-boned at 80 kp/h and the investigation said the only reason he's still alive today is because of the door bars on his bolt in roll cage. I've put a car into a guardrail at 100 kp/h and walked away laughing. My friends have seen numerous cars roll over and they walked away.. All with bolt in cages.

Bolt in cages like Cusco, Autopower work.

Its good to hear that out of those accidents you lived to tell about it with barely any at all scratches. In my experience things weren't so lucky. Last season a fellow NASA racer (Factory 5) was nudged off the track at Button Willow and for an unlucky situation his front tire and rim dug into the soft and some what muddy dirt. First roll the car landed on the top side dislodging the cage (bolt in cage that was later welded) and ejecting the driver. From what I saw it was 4 rolls others say 6 to 7 rolls. The racer was air lifted and pronounced dead. The rest of the weekend wasn't the same.

It probably could have just been an isolated incident being unlucky, who knows, but this happened on a race course where many factors that are happening on the street aren't present. If putting a bolt in cage of some sort gives you that added safety and security go ahead and do it its your car, but I still feel that if driven on the street just adds another factor in getting a persons head cracked open in an accident. Take it for what its worth and I hope you still continue your streak of good fortune but hopefully it will never be tested.

-Jon

[Koopa Troopa]

Thanks but with that incident you can't put blame on the rollcage.. You said he was ejected from the vehicle? Obviously you need to be in the vehicle for a rollbar's protection. Not trying to be unsympathetic towards the driver but it's a sad fact at what can happen in our hobby.

MehSilvia.. 1.5 bar on my turbo is different then 1.5 bar on yours =P

[MomentumGT]

Cage was dislodged so protection was only present on the first roll. Who knows he could of been still alive after the first roll, but seeing how the car was obliterated after the first initial roll makes me and a lot of the other guys we race with question the product.

-Jon

[Koopa Troopa]

Oh............... Wow.......

[mehsilvia]

MehSilvia.. 1.5 bar on my turbo is different then 1.5 bar on yours =P

Yeah, but you havent considered my mad-skills

[KA24DESOneThree]

I've got a lightweight edition Safety 21 8 point in my car and I still have a functional sunroof. As far as weight reduction goes... I won't have to worry about weight when I finally get my POS tuned for 1.5 bar.:rawk:That's the beauty of turbos. Instead of ripping shit out you can just turn up the boost. :p

It's not about power, it's about handling...

[Irukandji]

Alex Pfiefer weld in cage > > > > any cage on earth.

Cheap too

[ixfxi]

Its good to hear that out of those accidents you lived to tell about it with barely any at all scratches. In my experience things weren't so lucky. Last season a fellow NASA racer (Factory 5) was nudged off the track at Button Willow and for an unlucky situation his front tire and rim dug into the soft and some what muddy dirt. First roll the car landed on the top side dislodging the cage (bolt in cage that was later welded) and ejecting the driver. From what I saw it was 4 rolls others say 6 to 7 rolls. The racer was air lifted and pronounced dead. The rest of the weekend wasn't the same.

It probably could have just been an isolated incident being unlucky, who knows, but this happened on a race course where many factors that are happening on the street aren't present. If putting a bolt in cage of some sort gives you that added safety and security go ahead and do it its your car, but I still feel that if driven on the street just adds another factor in getting a persons head cracked open in an accident. Take it for what its worth and I hope you still continue your streak of good fortune but hopefully it will never be tested.

-Jon

Weekend the same or not, I'm not trying to sound like a dick (which I normally am) nor am I trying to not be sympathetic - but the point here isnt to use that one example as the shining example of why that cage was no good. The reality is, people need to always examine the big picture and see what really happened. What caused the injury, and what could have prevented it, if anything. Some things can be prevent, and some cannot.. and when you time is up, there's no arguing with fate.

Personally, I have an autopower rollbar (which isnt a cage), but its bolt-in and its a reasonably high quality piece. As for the full cage, I wouldnt run one WITHOUT a helmet, so not on a street car.. thats track only territory. One person posted pics of his cage and the distance between the cage and his head, which is great.. but guess what - a lot of variables change when you're in serious motion and flipping. Your body is at the mercy of extreme forces and luck. The chances of something hitting those pipes is high.

But, you can never predict what will happen in an accident. It could just be a side-impact where the side-bars are indeed very necessary, because without them.. you just have raw sheet-metal.

Getting in an accident is ALWAYS a coin toss.

[Koopa Troopa]

Yeah, but you havent considered my mad-skills

I'm a master of super ultra braking technique.

SOOOOOOOOIIIYA!

[McRussellPants]

Not seat rails here. The seat is fixed, supported, and brakets are welded to the car.

-Jon

Mazeltov, make them lower.

[MomentumGT]

Some things can be prevent, and some cannot.. and when you time is up, there's no arguing with fate.

As for the full cage, I wouldnt run one WITHOUT a helmet, so not on a street car.. thats track only territory. One person posted pics of his cage and the distance between the cage and his head, which is great.. but guess what - a lot of variables change when you're in serious motion and flipping. Your body is at the mercy of extreme forces and luck. The chances of something hitting those pipes is high.

But, you can never predict what will happen in an accident.

You just reiterated what I just said. Full cages bolt in or custom should not be run on the street for many factors contributing to head trauma in an accident due to no helmet. The example I gave was my experience why I feel a bolt in cage in "full" competition should not be used. There are more points of failure than a sanctioned approved custom welded roll cage i.e. pipes connected by a single bolt, base mounting points bolted to thin sheet metal that can easily rip, etc... Reguardless of that driving on the street brings in different factors in an accident that aren't present on a race track which makes me feel unsure about bolt in safety equipment. But my main point of arguement is that a full cage, whether bolt in or custom welded should not be run on the street due to the exposed head of the driver and or passenger to the pipes in an accident and you already stated that you agree.

-Jon

[MomentumGT]

Mazeltov, make them lower.

The seat is on the floor and I'm not exactly tall either. I can barely see the top of the hood while sitting. The car I was driving was a Honduh crx which doesn't have the 240sx problem of the cat tunnel making things difficult when trying to fit a seat as low as possible. My head is huge, not because of ego, so no I can't get a smaller sized helmet. LOL.

-Jon

[Koopa Troopa]

But my main point of arguement is that a full cage, whether bolt in or custom welded should not be run on the street due to the exposed head of the driver and or passenger to the pipes in an accident and you already stated that you agree.

-Jon


You sound like one of those parents who won't let their kids play on the playground because their kid might get a boo boo

[MomentumGT]

You sound like one of those parents who won't let their kids play on the playground because their kid get a boo boo

Wouldn't know I'm not a parent. If I did have kids they'd be on lock. lol.

-Jon

[slideways2004]

Alex Pfiefer weld in cage > > > > any cage on earth.

Cheap too

yes this is very true!! but where can one purchase such a product

[sideview_180sx]

so jon when is the red car gonna be up and running???


-Aaron

[ixfxi]

You just reiterated what I just said. Full cages bolt in or custom should not be run on the street for many factors contributing to head trauma in an accident due to no helmet. The example I gave was my experience why I feel a bolt in cage in "full" competition should not be used. There are more points of failure than a sanctioned approved custom welded roll cage i.e. pipes connected by a single bolt, base mounting points bolted to thin sheet metal that can easily rip, etc... Reguardless of that driving on the street brings in different factors in an accident that aren't present on a race track which makes me feel unsure about bolt in safety equipment. But my main point of arguement is that a full cage, whether bolt in or custom welded should not be run on the street due to the exposed head of the driver and or passenger to the pipes in an accident and you already stated that you agree.

-Jon

dude..........

you just reiterated what *I* said!

thats incredible. we're like............. blood brothers.





BLOOD




BROTHER. haha

[mehsilvia]

I'm a master of super ultra braking technique.

SOOOOOOOOIIIYA!

WTF!?! Step up bitch! "super ultra braking technique"? :loco:
I removed my brakes. Weight reduction + they slow you down
Im so gonna pwn you!

[Koopa Troopa]

I'll pwn you like an AWP camper pwns noobs on de_dust in beta 6

[GSXRJJordan]

beta 6!!!!!

Dude, that took me back. Seriously, that was awesome. Bunny hop h4x0r!

[t . b o z]

For those who have the Autpower bolt in 4pt, roll bar : Were you able to keep all of your interior intact? Im thinking of getting one for my s13 coupe, with removeable x-bar and harness bar.

[MomentumGT]

so jon when is the red car gonna be up and running???


-Aaron

Its been up and running for about 3 weeks but not registered. It sits on my drive way all washed and pretty. I'm trying to get rid of it, sell it.....for real this time. haha.

-Jon

[MomentumGT]

dude..........

you just reiterated what *I* said!

thats incredible. we're like............. blood brothers.





BLOOD




BROTHER. haha

You're not going to start that MamChang thing you did way back in the day are you? LOL. Remember.....socal240sx.org days? It may be too far back.

-Jon

[ixfxi]

You're not going to start that MamChang thing you did way back in the day are you? LOL. Remember.....socal240sx.org days? It may be too far back.

-Jon

changmos is dead....

but jonmam is alive....!

damn though, i cant believe you called me out on this shit! damn, you guys actually remember the CRAP that spews out of my nonsensical mouth?

if you remember this bullshit, i really.. REALLY dont want to know what you remember of the other stuff that comes out of my mouth.

man, i had no idea people actually pay attention to my postings. haha

[420sx]

hahah what about stuff that goes IN your mouth ..... hahahaahh bitch ;)