asked a thousand times before...but

[stil bil]

was wondering what i might expect with these

car:s14

injen cai
tanube mandelin exhaust 60mm
hotshot header
high flow cat not sure who sells any good ones..
upgraded ignition
91 cams

possibly a built block with 10:1 or 10.5:1 compression pistons.

any ideas would be appreciated...

[xLSTONEx]

Acutally you could get quite a few horses off of thouse mods, I'm thinking atleast another 25-30 hp, someone correct me if I'm wrong, but it diffenatly will be a whole lot faster than a stock 240SX. I/H/E is a big performance getter for 4 cylinders. I know I dropped 3 tenths of a second off of my 1/8 mile time after I got my I/H/E, so you tell me. In no way would it be like stock like James said.

[GamblerZ]

Stillen Stage Charts

89~90 240SX SOHC
Stock: 134hp
Stage 1 5hp Cold Air Intake
Stage 2 6hp Catback Exhaust
Stage 3 8hp ECU Upgrade
Stage 4 6hp Underdrive Pulley
Stage 5 4hp Ignition Upgrade
Stage 6 7hp Lightened/Aluminum Flywheel
Stage 7 10hp Cams
Stage 8 50hp Nitrous Oxide Injection

91~98 240SX DOHC
Stock: 154hp
Stage 1 6hp Cold Air Intake
Stage 2 7hp Catback Exhaust
Stage 3 8hp ECU Upgrade
Stage 4 8hp Header
Stage 5 7hp Underdrive Pulley
Stage 6 12hp Cams
Stage 7 4hp Ignition Upgrade
Stage 8 8hp Lightened/Aluminum Flywheel
Stage 9 50hp Nitrous Oxide Injection

BTW, I believe these HP figures are Gross(Crank) and not Net(RWHP).  In order to achieve Net figures, 80% of Gross is a good multiplier since approximately 20% power is being lost in the drivetrain.  

Hence, an approximate assumption could be:

Gross x 0.8 = Net

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (James @ Sep. 08 2002,11:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So it's just basically I/H/E.
And as any 4cylinder NA import owner can say- I/H/E is basically stock.
That's why everyone gets a major power adder or engine swap, I/H/E is nothing, but a new guy to import performance will fool himself into believing he's faster because of the sound.
And terrorize local streets looking for races.
If you were to find a car like yours and run at the track it would be a driver's race.
Hp per $ sucks

Remember to do mods with a plan in mind- if you ever do an SR swap you can't use any of the parts you mentioned and wasted your money- except for the cat and maybe the exhaust.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Dude, that's bs. Alot of people don't want to turbo their cars. First, it requires a lot of cash at a single point at time. Second, it's a pain in the ass to install. Third, For some people I/H/E is enough. He asked what can he get with the following and you come in here flaming at how ihe sux and turbo is the way. As for the $/hp, I/H/E will give you ~16rwhp for $900. With that said, that's 56.3$/hp. With a turbo kit you'll get about ~70rwhp after spending 4grand. That's 57.1$/hp. You see the difference? I don't. The only thing is after you get I/H/E you can't go farther. With turbo you can. but it's a personal choice. So if you have nothing worthwhile to say about the topic, odn't say anythin at all....

Now back to the topic. All those mods might give you ~20rwhp in the best case. Since you are thinking of rebuilding the engine though, i'd say save up the money and turbo the car. engine rebuild would run 2000-3000. save up on the n/a upgrades and get a turbo.

[DJ Machine]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (GamblerZ @ Sep. 08 2002,2:29)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Stillen Stage Charts

89~90 240SX SOHC
Stock: 134hp
Stage 1 5hp Cold Air Intake
Stage 2 6hp Catback Exhaust
Stage 3 8hp ECU Upgrade
Stage 4 6hp Underdrive Pulley
Stage 5 4hp Ignition Upgrade
Stage 6 7hp Lightened/Aluminum Flywheel
Stage 7 10hp Cams
Stage 8 50hp Nitrous Oxide Injection

91~98 240SX DOHC
Stock: 154hp
Stage 1 6hp Cold Air Intake
Stage 2 7hp Catback Exhaust
Stage 3 8hp ECU Upgrade
Stage 4 8hp Header
Stage 5 7hp Underdrive Pulley
Stage 6 12hp Cams
Stage 7 4hp Ignition Upgrade
Stage 8 8hp Lightened/Aluminum Flywheel
Stage 9 50hp Nitrous Oxide Injection

BTW, I believe these HP figures are Gross(Crank) and not Net(RWHP). In order to achieve Net figures, 80% of Gross is a good multiplier since approximately 20% power is being lost in the drivetrain.

Hence, an approximate assumption could be:

Gross x 0.8 = Net</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Eh, the guy selling underdrive pulleys said it didnt even add any hp, just helped the car rev faster.

[GamblerZ]

DJ Machine: &nbsp;I agree with you on the pulley, but let us not forget about the flywheel either. &nbsp;Meanwhile, I am just passing information that Stillen has published in their catalog for what it is worth.

It still makes a good reference though.

[whateverjames]

i've personally seen an s14 owner dyno his car with the mentioned mods and SOHC piston heads to bump the compression ratio to around 10.5:1

it made 165 at the wheels. may not sound like much, but the peak horsepower doesn't tell the whole story. i'm sure the power increased even at lower RPMs, made a lot more power above 6000.

he claims he tied with a trans am (ram air) with intake, exhaust and chip, until around 4th gear. not bad.

[DJ Machine]

I think stillen is full of shit.

[xLSTONEx]

with his listed mods, minus the high flow cat, it all equals out to an extra 29.6 hp AT THE WHEELS. Now if someone says that those mods don't give much hp there full of shit. Just because it's a four cylinder doesn't mean mods don't do anything. 29.6 rwhp is a whole lot.

[SilviaDriver]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (James @ Sep. 08 2002,11:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So it's just basically I/H/E.
And as any 4cylinder NA import owner can say- I/H/E is basically stock.
That's why everyone gets a major power adder or engine swap, I/H/E is nothing, but a new guy to import performance will fool himself into believing he's faster because of the sound.
And terrorize local streets looking for races.
If you were to find a car like yours and run at the track it would be a driver's race.
Hp per $ sucks

Remember to do mods with a plan in mind- if you ever do an SR swap you can't use any of the parts you mentioned and wasted your money- except for the cat and maybe the exhaust.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
sad, how is I/H/E basically stock??? ill run the I/H/E and u run stock and lets go.


yes pulley sux doesnt give hp it does something with the rotational mass forgot wat brother taught me

y do ppl use 91 cams?? i remember reading something about it long ago saying its the best or soemthing correct me if im wrong ppl

[stil bil]

thanks guys, well i knew that it wouldnt be much, but i am not looking for &nbsp;10 second car...i just want something with a bit more poewer that my butt dyno can see(feel) and i think that 20+at the wheels is a good amount

when i feel the need to go to the track i will prolly (after extensive engine testing) install a nx 50 shot for grins

turbo is an option, but not at the moment, considering i cannot afford the down time that would come along with the setup that i want, i already have the setup planned out, and a few parts including a turbo.

[stil bil]

hey silviadriver, i believe that i read on here once that the 91 cams are the most aggressive of all the years...

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (stil bil @ Sep. 08 2002,10:54)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">thanks guys, well i knew that it wouldnt be much, but i am not looking for 10 second car...i just want something with a bit more poewer that my butt dyno can see(feel) and i think that 20+at the wheels is a good amount

when i feel the need to go to the track i will prolly (after extensive engine testing) install a nx 50 shot for grins

turbo is an option, but not at the moment, considering i cannot afford the down time that would come along with the setup that i want, i already have the setup planned out, and a few parts including a turbo.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
The only problem is that after some time driving (and it won't be much) you'll get used to teh upgrades and you wouldn't be experiencing anything special. At that point you are stuck with IHE cuz u can't go further. Turbo takes longer time to get used to (it's quite more hp + u don't use it all the time). And you can always go further with that.

[stil bil]

ok guys, yall dont have to convince me to do a turbo kit, i am going to do one, just not right now....i will when i am out of college and have a job that pays more that what i have now, and when i have a second car, that way i will still have something to drive while the 240 is down and out...

okie dokie...

and yes i will "waste" my money on the parts for na tuning right now because the turbo is almost 2.5-3 years away..

[tnord]

if you think the extent of mods for a NA motor are i/h/e, you're just plain ignorant. all the cool stuff happens where you can't see it.

[HippoSleek]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (James @ Sep. 09 2002,11:15)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (James @ Sep. 08 2002,11:11)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So it's just basically I/H/E.
And as any 4cylinder NA import owner can say- I/H/E is basically stock.
That's why everyone gets a major power adder or engine swap, I/H/E is nothing, but a new guy to import performance will fool himself into believing he's faster because of the sound.
And terrorize local streets looking for races.
If you were to find a car like yours and run at the track it would be a driver's race.
Hp per $ sucks

Remember to do mods with a plan in mind- if you ever do an SR swap you can't use any of the parts you mentioned and wasted your money- except for the cat and maybe the exhaust.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Every ricer has intake, exhaust, and some have a header.
They are still slow..........RIGHT?!?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Define slow. &nbsp;Slow, in my book, is anything over 14 flat. &nbsp;There are sport-utes and family cars that can hit mid-14s.

In some cars, i/h/e will shave 1+ sec. off your 1/4 mi. &nbsp;Does that make if fast? &nbsp;NO. &nbsp;Will it make it noticeably/significantly faster? &nbsp;YES. &nbsp;Will it make an NA 240 faster? &nbsp;Seems like a yes from all accounts dyno'ed and otherwise.

In addition to every ricer having them, most racers have them also - unless the class dictates otherwise. &nbsp;I think it's been pretty well proven that more air allows more power. &nbsp;A second is quite a bit on any track - often enough to overcome a better driver.

Do you ever have anything constructive to add?

[KyoLo]

"Remember - it's always open season on stupidity." &nbsp;-Kill Moderator
Either you've got a bullhorn or you're on the bar. "

i don't understand this...
allow my stupidity to ask what does it mean?

[HippoSleek]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (KyoLo @ Sep. 09 2002,4:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">"Remember - it's always open season on stupidity." -Kill Moderator
Either you've got a bullhorn or you're on the bar. "

i don't understand this...
allow my stupidity to ask what does it mean?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'> &nbsp;my sig:

1. &nbsp;I've a friend on another board known as the Kill Moderator (moderates the Kills forum). &nbsp;This was an instruction to certain people on that board - as in hunting. &nbsp;I found it both funny and appropriate. &nbsp;If you think I'm mean... &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'>

2. &nbsp;Comment from a friend of mine after my GF was bullied about dancing on a bar at "Hogs and Heffers" by the bartender girl who had a bullhorn. &nbsp;It's also kind of a truism in life - you're calling the shots or you're dancing.

[stil bil]

thanks to the guys who gave me useful info....i appreciate it

as for the fellas who all they have to say that ihe is still slow and nothing will give any real power until turbo or swap....i dont care, i know that...and i dont appreciate the fact that you are trying to call me a ricer, i have no stickers on my car. &nbsp;and if someone has i/h/e on their car, then they are a few steps above rice, they have actually done "performance" modifications to their cars...

i know what it is going to take to get real power, and that is a work in progress, just read earlier posts of mine...


and if the ihe combination plus the few other things that i am going to do(first post...not just basic i/h/e) will give ne around 30 hp then i am willing, not only that i welcome that much hp...rice would be to put a 35-50 shot of n2o on an engine that is in no way accepting of that mod....ive said my peice.

thanks again to the few guys who helped me out...

[stil bil]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (James @ Sep. 09 2002,5:26)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">It's almost a given that everyone has the basic I/H/E.
Nothing special, it's not like adding a major power adder or swap. If you were slow before, guess what, you're still slow.
Driving skill makes more of a difference.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
i suppose you mean a 100hp injection of nitrous into my stock motor since i/h/e is a waste of money and adds no real hp

[stil bil]

do a search...what the hell is that supposed to mean....

i believe you have more to learn if you think that nothing adds power unless it is a turbo or swap....

i have done plenty of searching and studying.....so just go play somewhere else...

i asked a question....i didnt want some idiot telling me that i will be slow no matter what....

[transient]

Ok, this thread is going nowhere. Please, if you don't have any useful information, then just don't post.