Opinion: MKIV N/A Supra or keep current S14?

[alexkosheck]

I've been thinking of trading in+cash my 1996 S14 5spd for a MKIV 1993+ Toyota Supra N/A 5spd

My car is still with the KA24DE engine 5spd (it's my daily) but I have it set up completely perfect for my taste (coilovers, brakes, minor mods, wheels, tires. Enjoyable and slightly sporty for daily)

Has anyone every driven a N/A MKIV Supra to compare to an S14?
How does it feel? Better? Worse? Faster by a lot?

I know the Supra is heavier, but has a bit more power.
I don't have enough $$ for a Turbo, also cuz I have to save $$ for the future.
The main reason why is because the Supra looks better.
But most likely it will be older than my 96.

Any thoughts or educated opinions would be appreciated.
Thx in advance.

[300hp owen]

do it up, theyre great cars if you can find a clean one.
IMHO too many supras have been riced out and have their interiors all painted goofy style matching the outside of the car or with some stupid aero.
they are gorgeous and handle really well with the right mods, kind of underpowered without boost but still a fun car for sure.
they have incredible resale too.
you really gotta drive one!!!!!!!!

[Sidewayzzz]

1) Trade it!
2) Swap it! (2jz-gte)
3) ????????
4) Profit!

[240sx_sr20det]

Any pictures of the cars?

[Full-Lock]

i would do it depending on how much cash.

it would be a cool daily driver. i wouldnt get into modding it much unless you did 2jz tt motor. other than that i'd just buy it because it looks sort of exotic and girls would like them.

haha

[LB.Motoring]

Id do it like no tommaro.

[ixfxi]

buy the supra, and enjoy driving an under-powered fucking paperweight.

keep your 240, build it up properly - the end.

buying that supra will be the biggest mistake, because you're buying what SHOULD be a high powered GT car, but you're not - because its missing the one thing that makes that over-weight car a really GREAT car: the BALLS.

many years ago, I was thinking the same thing. I like the supra, i like the styling.. but without those turbos, its useless. and, it will never BE a light car. really, might as well consider buying an IS300....

keep the 240.

[WERDdabuilder]

a supra aint a supra without turbo.

[jeeper_x]

just keep the s14.....the n/a supra have nothing on the Turbo supra....different brakes, smaller swaysbar, and most importantly different engine....i don't think going 2jz-gte on a n/a supra would worth the money, neither......2jz-gte engine from japan can be very pricey.....^^^totally agree with you mr. WERDdabuilder

[Antihero983]

buy the supra, and enjoy driving an under-powered fucking paperweight.

keep your 240, build it up properly - the end.

buying that supra will be the biggest mistake, because you're buying what SHOULD be a high powered GT car, but you're not - because its missing the one thing that makes that over-weight car a really GREAT car: the BALLS.

many years ago, I was thinking the same thing. I like the supra, i like the styling.. but without those turbos, its useless. and, it will never BE a light car. really, might as well consider buying an IS300....

keep the 240.

AGREED 100%

as a former toyota technician, i got to drive a few supras, turbo and non, and i must say from experience, the NA ones are a waste of money.

HOWEVER! it has been proven that the NA block can handle decent boost and horsepower! Turbo magazine did an article on a SC300 that a guy turbo'd the NA 2JZ that came in it and made around 500hp i think.

BUT! why bother since you're already well into your s14? you started it, follow through and finish it!!!

[vvtisupra]

make sure its a hardtop. I contemplated this idea for a while, but it has to be hardtop or else its a floppy penis.

[GSXRJJordan]

Supras are so sweet. If it's just a daily, I'd do it if it were close to a straight trade. Eventually you can turbo the 2JZ if you want, and keep in mind the resale market for built supras is way hotter than the market for built S14s (supraforums has dozens of $30k supras for sale).

If you are thinking about turning it into an actual performance car, I'd think about keeping the S14.

[trsilvias13]

Get a 7. The power of the rotary feel so much better. I have a 7 and my kouki 240sx, i still like driving the underpower s14 better. I can tell u, my s14 can out handle the 7 anyday, but the 7 would kill the s14 in a drag race.

[fliprayzin240sx]

Get a 7. The power of the rotary feel so much better. I have a 7 and my kouki 240sx, i still like driving the underpower s14 better. I can tell u, my s14 can out handle the 7 anyday, but the 7 would kill the s14 in a drag race.

If youre saying FD RX-7 getting owned by a S14 in the corners, then id say wow, you need to drive that shiet alot more often. Even on Stock suspensions, FDs are fucking sweeeet compared to an S14.

Anyways if you decide to get the Supra, and you got money to invest into it, get the engine swapped for a turbo and flip it. Only catch is 2JZGTEs still go for around $5k.

[k's_silvia2.0]

Then youll have to go on the supra forums.

[alexkosheck]

Thanks for the advice!
I'm going to keep my S14 for now.

[khoadogg]

I had a 5sp sc300 hardtop w/ all the supra parts such ass the rear end, sways, ssupension, brakes, interior, it's lighter, fast and sexier than a MKIV but it's rare to find. Supra's are tiny, I've driven them all and went back to the sr'd 240sx. Best all around car IMO but doesn't get as many girls...

[beeracing s14]

nothing against supra but just use that money and turbo your s14..the end.

[Irukandji]

n/a supra is a waste of time...
Reasons below:
1. Slow as fuck, feels like an 8 year old child pulling on a piano
2. Stuff is expensive, and you probably will never do the "turbo swap"
3. Did I mention it's slow?

[initial_drifter]

You'd lose to a Navigator...and stock 240's

Trust me its been proven recently...

Do what you want, its your life

[GSXRJJordan]

hahaha "slow" - yeah, so's a stock S14. 14sec+ 1/4mi = slow.

Difference is, NA-T supras are popular as f*ck, and hit 500whp without too much fuss. Parts are more expensive for Supras than 240s, yeah... but he wants a DD for now.

It's a sexy DD.

[SLeepingPanda]

240SX - ka + 2JZ-GE = gigity gigity GO!!

[SexPanda]

Supra's are sexy. NA supras are like old guy cars though...

Id keep your s14, and do what SLeepingPanda suggested above^^

or an rb... whatever bloats your goat man.

[Irukandji]

Supra's are sexy. NA supras are like old guy cars though...

wtf.. they look the same

[harangatang]

AGREED 100%

as a former toyota technician, i got to drive a few supras, turbo and non, and i must say from experience, the NA ones are a waste of money.

HOWEVER! it has been proven that the NA block can handle decent boost and horsepower! Turbo magazine did an article on a SC300 that a guy turbo'd the NA 2JZ that came in it and made around 500hp i think.

BUT! why bother since you're already well into your s14? you started it, follow through and finish it!!!

it was 800+ whp in the article.. and he was going to go back with a new turbo and re-tune it for more.

[illvialuver]

Get a 7. The power of the rotary feel so much better. I have a 7 and my kouki 240sx, i still like driving the underpower s14 better. I can tell u, my s14 can out handle the 7 anyday, but the 7 would kill the s14 in a drag race.

i think the rx7 has one of the best turn ins of any car and better than the s14, but no way or how, would i trade a clean inconspicuopus s14 that is still not finished, for a stock fatass attention whore bitch of a car, theres a guy like that here in town, and his shit is all bright orange metalica adn he cruises and revs on people but gets beat by a stock sr powered s13 with heavy ass sport max wheels a 100 lb speaker box in the trunk a full tank and 2 200 pound guys in the car, and now he does beat anyone, except himself when thinking about how he wishes he didnt get a supra, that is eyecandy for shallow hoes and the 5.o( the police in case you were unaware of that common sense fact too)

otherwise if you want go all paul walker with it and get the supra, and put in a 2jztt and lose money cause its expensive and i seriously doubt that you would do the swap yourself, you would probley have venus up in sac do that shit for you.

:barf:

[illvialuver]

okay
i need to apoligize for ranting when i didnt read the part about him keepin his s14.
and i was only pissed cause its lame when people come on and ask dumb questions, liek should i trade my s14 with mods for a stock na supra? or should i stop eating luckycharms and than eat capt crucnh with dinggleberries ?
if its 75 % outside should i wear shorts or pants? its YOUR own shit, when it comes to trivial ass shit liek colors for your car, or interior seat choices or weather you should trade one car for another, just do it for yourself, if you want to trade a s14 for a pt cruiser cause that is was would make you happier than anything that do IT!!! who cares if we think pt cruisers are gay, think for yourself

[vvtisupra]

Thats funny my supra never lost to a stock KA 240. I dunno who you guys think you're racing ? The supra can stand to lose a lot of weight. I think some supra guys have gotten their TT's down to 3100 lbs. The NA's are about 300 lbs lighter just from the turbo weight so you can get an NA supra down to about 2800-2900 lb, lighten the drive train and a Diff. Parts for the supra are a little more expesnive but everything in the suspension is adjustable already, so all you'd need is a diff and coilovers. The 2jzge has plenty of torque . I've seen some cats put down 225 to the wheels with bolt ons and tune.

As for styling. Supra all the way. How can you say no I don't want that when you see orido sliding his street supra. pre VVTi engines can hold up to 400 hp stock without drivetrain mods. I'd trade up my SR'd S14 for a clean Hardtop 5 speed NA supra. Yep you heard me I said it So Alexkoshek if this dood wants to trade and his supra is clean let me get his contact info.

[illvialuver]

damn, well i guess some guys just love fat asses?
and orido was drifting his own s14 for a long time too, so i think the orido factor shouldnt be a desiding factor.

[vvtisupra]

hahah fuck orido, orido doesn;t have anything to do with it. Its his car that i care about.
http://www.driftmax.com/img/1-1.jpg

As a supra owner I guess I can appreciate how light the supra feels despite its actual mass. Also the grip that it gets is amazing. The only reason why i have a 240 is because its cheaper to crash. =)

[Antihero983]

it was 800+ whp in the article.. and he was going to go back with a new turbo and re-tune it for more.

ah yes. thanks for clarifying, i havent read the article in awhile.

another thing to consider....the S chassis in general is cheaper and easier to maintain than a supra of any year....

[ixfxi]

hahah fuck orido, orido doesn;t have anything to do with it. Its his car that i care about.
http://www.driftmax.com/img/1-1.jpg

As a supra owner I guess I can appreciate how light the supra feels despite its actual mass. Also the grip that it gets is amazing. The only reason why i have a 240 is because its cheaper to crash. =)

are you actually suggesting he buy a supra?

the commercial ALONE is enough reason to remind you what a cock you must be to own one of these pieces of shit:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=gUBtC8OATH4

that, the supraforums, suprastore.com.

i think the ONLY thing going GOOD for the supras is hulk hogan and fake-ferrari styling

christ, i bet a supra owner would get an erection just seeing this car rise in the video opening shot.

ide like the supra a lot more if only so many fucking pussies didnt own them. :-)

you know, i dont like the z32 much either.. but atleast they made a damn good commercial:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xDgVLtvQQx4

took toyota 3 years to make a better car though.

[lucky7]

i'd rather have an S2000. i personally think supras look like asshole. not to mention they are WAY too heavy to be a sports car.

ive always thought they reminded me of a pilot whale or something. i dont know why, but the headlights make the car look like a whale.

if i were in the market for another 'sports' car. i'd be looking for a 98 cobra myself.

[atom]

A cobra has almost the exact same curb weight as a MKIV supra.

I think for a daily driver a hardtop N/A Supra is alright. They keep their value. People still try to sell their automatic '93 hardtops for like 12-13k. I just never really liked the styling of any of the supras.

[lucky7]

thats true. but it also has a 4.6 V8 with a forged bottom end. i guess i can look beyond the fatness of it then. call the folks at vortech, and be on your merry little way.


but back on topic. you are happy with where your S14 is at, correct? you've got 0 experince with supras, right? if it ain't broke, dont fix it.

[SexPanda]

Oh i wanted to clear something up. Supras are sexy. But an NA supra is like an old guy car because it LOOKS fast, but is basically a sexified buick as far as power and acceleration goes.

and i gotta agree with lucky7^^ if it aint broke, dont fix it.

[nasx]

My NA-T supra has 544WHP @ 19 psi on pump on the stock engine and a 40$ "ebay" head gasket. Total investment sans clutch was under 2300$

[SuperiorS14]

Thanks for the advice!
I'm going to keep my S14 for now.

make the trade! n/a 2jz are way under-rated.... you dont need to do the 2jzgte swap...slap on a turbo kit a you will already be make around 400rwhp depending on the set up. you have many options gte bottem end n/a head(flows better that gte head) 240<Supra its an upgrade

[sliEighty]

if you turbo the na supra you will save a little on insurance but its up to you man... nobody should tell you what you should do... yes you can turbo it but you could also turbo your s14 too... so test drive it first and see what you like, which one suits your driving style and needs

[RazoE]

Do it only if it's targa..

a hardtop, NA, auto, Supra's not a supra..

mine's 5 speed, and NA, but atleast it's targa...

[articdragon192]

you know, i dont like the z32 much either.. but atleast they made a damn good commercial:

http://youtube.com/watch?v=xDgVLtvQQx4

took toyota 3 years to make a better car though.

Mike, how could you?! Lol, the Z32 is bomb, haha. But the NA is slow as piss. I should I... I have one. But at least it has t-tops, haha. That commercial does rock though.

[unlegendary]

its time to get in the game, i suggest u trade your car and sell the supra after you feel comfortable. i know some dealerships that sold n/a supras for 16gs. after that dude just get a baller car.

[snappy]

I love my 240, but I nut every time I see a 93 and up supra- N/A or not.

[Koopa Troopa]

Supra interiors suck.. Feels like you're in a space ship and not in a good way.. More of a pain in the ass way. Might as well get an automatic for that turboless MKIV....

Keep the 14, it's a better car.

[fliprayzin240sx]

I'd rock an automatic turbo supra tho...Those auto trannies will pretty much take anything and everything you throw at it.

[vvtisupra]

Hahaha i like how a bunch of 240 owners are talking about how slow the N/A supra is when they own 240's . And they talk about how fat the supra is for being a sports car when it puts out performance of a sports car much like the skyline. 993 porsche carrera tips the scales at 3200 with less power than the supra ? So what gives? A lot of speculation and not much experience.

[vvtisupra]

took toyota 3 years to make a better car though.

Nay the japanese MkIII supras were on the same level of performance as the Z32. Remember they had the 1jz's which are the descendents of the 2jz. 1jz is still a sought after engine while the VQ30dett not so much.


Also if you let a commercial choose your car then you are a tool. Enough said.

[Antihero983]

Hahaha i like how a bunch of 240 owners are talking about how slow the N/A supra is when they own 240's . And they talk about how fat the supra is for being a sports car when it puts out performance of a sports car much like the skyline. 993 porsche carrera tips the scales at 3200 with less power than the supra ? So what gives? A lot of speculation and not much experience.

1. i used to work at a toyota dealership, and have dealt with quite a few supras
so i say my .2 cents with some experience to back it up
2.i fail to see a NA supra being that much faster than a 240
3.i fail to see a NA supra being even remotely related to a skyline
4.a porsche 993 carrera will blow the doors off a na supra.

keep in mind folks, we're talking about a NON TURBO supra.

and when i say its cheaper to own a 240, that because i've seen first hand what parts cost to repair them, and the labor that goes into it.

[vvtisupra]

well as a toyota tech you'd know how strong the 2jzge is and how easy it is to turbo. You also probably know how easy it is to swap brakes and sway bars(rear sway bar from a TT onto my NA supra was the first time i'd ever work on a car and i threw it on in like 20 minutes including jacking up the car). The NA supra is just a base, just like our 240's. I've thrown a good 8 k into my 240 and its still just a 220 hp car. Hell take an NA supra and throw 1 k into a set of parts max coilovers, and pick up a TT rear sway bar some dude is throwing out and with some tires and tuning i bet you can hit an easy 1g on the skid pad. When your brakes are worn take your calipers to kragen and trade them in as a core for TT brakes and you've got yourself a set of world class brakes.
Also, you guys are comparing a sport compact car with a sports car. 240's aren't much slower than an E36 3 series, but why do people pay for parts that are more expensive than a toyota supra part?


Also as far as commercials go remember the S14 was marketed to women.

[steve shadows]

i'd rather have an S2000. i personally think supras look like asshole. not to mention they are WAY too heavy to be a sports car.

ive always thought they reminded me of a pilot whale or something. i dont know why, but the headlights make the car look like a whale.

if i were in the market for another 'sports' car. i'd be looking for a 98 cobra myself.

id go 300zxtt honestly.

id rather have a dildo to shove up my ass than an s2000. talk about underpowered and the "good" handling is completley outwieghed by their total lack of balls, even with a blower they are decimated by s cars with higher boost and some re-tuning.

waste of money, but hey its a newer car and its rwd and you can be type R.

and that honda reliabiltiy mmm mmm.

honestly If i were going to race a newer car id be driving an EVO with a gt3037 or something and upgrade the whole driveline so it won't break left and right.

But i havnent because I prefer my 400whp s13 for fun.

Supra is great if your planning on spending another 12k on the engine to actually make it pull it's wieght.

Cobra is cool for a drag race.

But your comparing apples to fukcing pineapples if your comparing that to an s2000.

honestly the more i read up and the more I learn the more I just want to be rich and race real cars like TVR's and CSL BMWs with serious modifications.

Or maybe a ferarri.

Japan is pumping out teen wet dream psudo ralley cars, and until i see if the new GTR has a curb wieght under 4000 fucking lbs ill be calling it an ugly pig whale pile of shit too.

[lucky7]

i was never comparing the cars against each other. this is what i said. 'in my opinion', supras look like horse dick. FACT. that IS how i feel about them. also my opinion, i think S2000's are awesome cars that look great and are fun to drive. that is also how i feel.

you can go swing off the nuts of supra owners like the rest of the crowd. but you may want to relax a little. oh and yes, a new S2000 is better than a 94 or whatever, non turbo supra in......every way possible? yup.

[Koopa Troopa]

Hahaha i like how a bunch of 240 owners are talking about how slow the N/A supra is when they own 240's . And they talk about how fat the supra is for being a sports car when it puts out performance of a sports car much like the skyline. 993 porsche carrera tips the scales at 3200 with less power than the supra ? So what gives? A lot of speculation and not much experience.

I don't own a 240 for one.... Two, MKiv N/A Supras are still gay. They came with nothing the turbo Supra had except the heavy ass chasis so why bother? You can go through all the trouble of making it turbo and in the end you still won't have shit the turbo Supra had.

Keeping the S14 is a better choice, specially with parts availability the way it is now.

Fuck Toyota, there I said it.

[Jsellers]

It would be nice to have. Just install this kit on it.

http://www.suprastore.com/bolost1notot.html

Or u could take the money and build up an SR or KA:D

[lucky7]

it may help if we knew what mods the OP had.

for example, i would never do that trade. once i get my GT3076R, i'll be looking at about 450+whp. going with a NT car, would be a step backwards.

[Antihero983]

well as a toyota tech you'd know how strong the 2jzge is and how easy it is to turbo. You also probably know how easy it is to swap brakes and sway bars(rear sway bar from a TT onto my NA supra was the first time i'd ever work on a car and i threw it on in like 20 minutes including jacking up the car). The NA supra is just a base, just like our 240's. I've thrown a good 8 k into my 240 and its still just a 220 hp car. Hell take an NA supra and throw 1 k into a set of parts max coilovers, and pick up a TT rear sway bar some dude is throwing out and with some tires and tuning i bet you can hit an easy 1g on the skid pad. When your brakes are worn take your calipers to kragen and trade them in as a core for TT brakes and you've got yourself a set of world class brakes.
Also, you guys are comparing a sport compact car with a sports car. 240's aren't much slower than an E36 3 series, but why do people pay for parts that are more expensive than a toyota supra part?


Also as far as commercials go remember the S14 was marketed to women.

LOL keep in mind, while i agree with you, when i worked at toyota we didnt exactly promote such modifying...:)

i like supras, theyre amazing cars, but....i dunno, i'm biased towards the s-chassis...

however, awesome job presenting good points and not being all like "the supra pwns all stfu"....i added to your rep. :bigok:

[s13 drifter]

man if you dont want to trade for the supra ill trade my 98 240sx with sr20det with that supra guy...let me know...PM

[vvtisupra]

I don't own a 240 for one.... Two, MKiv N/A Supras are still gay. They came with nothing the turbo Supra had except the heavy ass chasis so why bother? You can go through all the trouble of making it turbo and in the end you still won't have shit the turbo Supra had.

Keeping the S14 is a better choice, specially with parts availability the way it is now.

Fuck Toyota, there I said it.

You forgot it shares the same block.. And that heavy chassis makes up for its weight. If you look at real sports cars the center of gravity of the engine and drive train and the driver actually sits lower than your typical sport compact. Have you ever compared a shifter from a mustang or 240 to say an NSX or Supra. You'll notice the tranny tunnel actually sits higher into the cabin. Thats because the chassis sits lower overall around the engine and drivetrain, effectively lowering the center of gravity more than just lowering the car with coilovers. To get the same center of gravity height you'd have to lower a 240 to drifter status. But by doing so you actually make the 240's stance narrower because the arc of the control arm are past parallel to the ground. This is where you make up for width with offset. However that doesn't correct the way your suspension travels. When the suspension travels on a car who's control arms are more parallel, most of the force is centered up and down verus in say a 240 where the control arms are moving inwards, this effects the steering because the tie rods are no longer moving left and right, but up at an angle. Blah blah blah correct it with shanks and spacers on tie rod sand it goes on about geometry but all in all its not the ideal set up.

Also people think of weight wrong. yah true the weight can slow a cars acceleration and make it hard for a car to slow down , but its where the weight is located that can also effect a vehicles handling performance. I think the automotive world calls it the Static Stability factor, which is pretty much a measurement of a tip-over stability ratio. If you have weight thats is above the center of gravity of the vehicle you increase the overal center of gravity which decreases stability. For example, a Ford Escape weighs less than a fully loaded NA supra, but what is going to handle better. same idea. Thus by saying the Supra can't handle because of its weight seems facetious.

[Koopa Troopa]

Never said the Supra couldn't handle because of it's weight. I said you've got an N/A 6 cylinder in a car designed to be moved with a TT 6 cylinder. He's not buying the car for GT500 races, he's buying the car for a DD.

The 240 is going to be cheaper on insurance because it's not considered a sports car, a N/a Supra although N/A is still considered a sports car because it has 2 seats.

240 aftermarket parts are way cheaper than anything Supra. Maintaining a 240 is much cheaper than a Supra. A Supra is not a good investment in his position.

[vvtisupra]

supra has 4 seats. Even the Rx7 came with a touring package that palced 2 dog seats in the back for cheaper insurance. I'm pretty sure all the grand touring japanese cars in the 90's came with 4 seats

[RazoE]

Never said the Supra couldn't handle because of it's weight. I said you've got an N/A 6 cylinder in a car designed to be moved with a TT 6 cylinder. He's not buying the car for GT500 races, he's buying the car for a DD.

The 240 is going to be cheaper on insurance because it's not considered a sports car, a N/a Supra although N/A is still considered a sports car because it has 2 seats.

240 aftermarket parts are way cheaper than anything Supra. Maintaining a 240 is much cheaper than a Supra. A Supra is not a good investment in his position.


It's obvious you've been playing too much Grand Turismo or Forza....

you gotta put down the controller, and let the original poster get whatever the hell he wants, not what you want....

[Koopa Troopa]

Yeah, definantly.. I've never sat in a MKiv Supra nor have I ever ridden in one...

He asked for people's opinion on what was a better idea. I could generally care less ab out what he does but since he asked he's getting my opinion. For the record I don't own nor have I ever played Forza and I havn't played GT in 3 years.

I'd rather play Battle Gear 3....

[dongoesby]

You forgot it shares the same block.. And that heavy chassis makes up for its weight. If you look at real sports cars the center of gravity of the engine and drive train and the driver actually sits lower than your typical sport compact. Have you ever compared a shifter from a mustang or 240 to say an NSX or Supra. You'll notice the tranny tunnel actually sits higher into the cabin. Thats because the chassis sits lower overall around the engine and drivetrain, effectively lowering the center of gravity more than just lowering the car with coilovers. To get the same center of gravity height you'd have to lower a 240 to drifter status. But by doing so you actually make the 240's stance narrower because the arc of the control arm are past parallel to the ground. This is where you make up for width with offset. However that doesn't correct the way your suspension travels. When the suspension travels on a car who's control arms are more parallel, most of the force is centered up and down verus in say a 240 where the control arms are moving inwards, this effects the steering because the tie rods are no longer moving left and right, but up at an angle. Blah blah blah correct it with shanks and spacers on tie rod sand it goes on about geometry but all in all its not the ideal set up.

Also people think of weight wrong. yah true the weight can slow a cars acceleration and make it hard for a car to slow down , but its where the weight is located that can also effect a vehicles handling performance. I think the automotive world calls it the Static Stability factor, which is pretty much a measurement of a tip-over stability ratio. If you have weight thats is above the center of gravity of the vehicle you increase the overal center of gravity which decreases stability. For example, a Ford Escape weighs less than a fully loaded NA supra, but what is going to handle better. same idea. Thus by saying the Supra can't handle because of its weight seems facetious.

Itz funny that someone actually bringing out this very good info, but everyone seems ignoring his point.

[downshift_s14]

a supra aint a supra without turbo.
what he said!

[shane_lxi]

Do it if it's a staight trade, sell it for a ton more then your s14 is worth (more then likely with the resale on these things) and build something really impressive. Unless you are planning on a twin turbo swap. $$, hella spendy to maintain. Not a good daily by any means :P

[SpuGen]

I'd rather play Battle Gear 3....


Battle Gear 4 has been out for a while now. :)

[xanavi_D]

ive driven a N/A supra and it didnt really feel any slower than when i had a KA. one thing im certain of tho is that i liked how it handled, it didnt feel sluggish in the least bit. it felt like a 240, but not as twitchy, everything was smooth and predictable.

and if you need a DD, then why not get a N/A car, thats half the head aches.

[Koopa Troopa]

Battle Gear 4 has been out for a while now. :)


I heard it was gay and Battle Gear 3 was better and since there's only one place on Oki with BG4 to my knowlege I don't find it worth the trouble to make the drive.

[the240sxer95]

both are great cars, but id get the supra. like someone said they are easy to turbo, the GTE and GE blocks are almost the same, get a thicker headgasket and a turbo kit and boost all day long, people have run into the 9s with a stock block GE short block.


supra/ls400 brakes and what not are cheap along with suspension componets and are decently easy to find.


ive been back and forth from the subaru and 240 world over the last 6 years, im now in the seat of a sc300 with a bunch of supra take offs and upgrades! i love it.

[mademedoit]

Um better idea sc300 ,I have a sr powered s13 but if I had some extra cash for a second car I'd like to put a bigger turbo on my s13 and have an sc300 for dd... or an fc with a vette engine. Supra<sc300 imo

[DJ_Sunrise]

Supra all the way.. Unless you have driven or own both cars.. don't knock on it. No Mcphake struts. Front lower and upper control arms, steering rack mounted infront of the wheels.. Little things most folks don't look at, or notice... but there's more to it. It's a serious car. It's fat, supposedly.. Althought I feel differently.. Driving one, you don't notice... Guy at work bought a low mileage motor for $800.. swapped it in to his MKIV.. Turbo'd it with FMIC.. Stock internals, stock injectors, etc... 500whp. 7,000 MKIV supras were made and sold in the US. Half of which are wrecked. How many 240s were sold? How many hundreds of thousands of 240s were sold? Buy the Supra, it's a rare oppurtunity. You can always buy a 240 later.. Not so with the Supra. I love my S14. It's amazing. But so are Supra's. Racing a 240 is like playing cops and robbers when you are a kid.. Stepping into a Turbo'd Supra make's you feel like a real cop. Drive one, and tell me im wrong. :)

I love 240s.. I love Supra's.. I don't prefer one over the other.

BTW.. I wasn't aware parts for Supra's are expensive. Oh I forgot.. they aren't. I work at a Toyota dealer.. Customer cost on most parts isn't all that bad. All in all equivalent 240 parts are generally more expensive from the dealer. If any of you guys are Supra owners, let me know.. I can get you parts at a discount.

-Bart


Edit: Stock supra's skid pad = .96

[CylonFrakker]

Supra all the way.. Unless you have driven or own both cars.. don't knock on it. No Mcphake struts. Front lower and upper control arms, steering rack mounted infront of the wheels.. Little things most folks don't look at, or notice... but there's more to it. It's a serious car. It's fat, supposedly.. Althought I feel differently.. Driving one, you don't notice... Guy at work bought a low mileage motor for $800.. swapped it in to his MKIV.. Turbo'd it with FMIC.. Stock internals, stock injectors, etc... 500whp. 7,000 MKIV supras were made and sold in the US. Half of which are wrecked. How many 240s were sold? How many hundreds of thousands of 240s were sold? Buy the Supra, it's a rare oppurtunity. You can always buy a 240 later.. Not so with the Supra. I love my S14. It's amazing. But so are Supra's. Racing a 240 is like playing cops and robbers when you are a kid.. Stepping into a Turbo'd Supra make's you feel like a real cop. Drive one, and tell me im wrong. :)

I love 240s.. I love Supra's.. I don't prefer one over the other.

BTW.. I wasn't aware parts for Supra's are expensive. Oh I forgot.. they aren't. I work at a Toyota dealer.. Customer cost on most parts isn't all that bad. All in all equivalent 240 parts are generally more expensive from the dealer. If any of you guys are Supra owners, let me know.. I can get you parts at a discount.

-Bart


Edit: Stock supra's skid pad = .96

I wanna see this dyno sheet with stock 330cc injectors making 500whp. They are good for 9 psi on a t61 and thats about 350 at the most.

Get the supra. Its worth it. They can be made to handle and you can swap LS400 fronts and Supra Rear brakes for under 500 bucks. Swap the cores out at autozone and call it quits. You can also slap a turbokit and make some decent power. Its stupid easy to make power in that car.

Good luck and get the Supra.

[articdragon192]

You forgot it shares the same block.. And that heavy chassis makes up for its weight. If you look at real sports cars the center of gravity of the engine and drive train and the driver actually sits lower than your typical sport compact. Have you ever compared a shifter from a mustang or 240 to say an NSX or Supra. You'll notice the tranny tunnel actually sits higher into the cabin. Thats because the chassis sits lower overall around the engine and drivetrain, effectively lowering the center of gravity more than just lowering the car with coilovers. To get the same center of gravity height you'd have to lower a 240 to drifter status. But by doing so you actually make the 240's stance narrower because the arc of the control arm are past parallel to the ground. This is where you make up for width with offset. However that doesn't correct the way your suspension travels. When the suspension travels on a car who's control arms are more parallel, most of the force is centered up and down verus in say a 240 where the control arms are moving inwards, this effects the steering because the tie rods are no longer moving left and right, but up at an angle. Blah blah blah correct it with shanks and spacers on tie rod sand it goes on about geometry but all in all its not the ideal set up.

Also people think of weight wrong. yah true the weight can slow a cars acceleration and make it hard for a car to slow down , but its where the weight is located that can also effect a vehicles handling performance. I think the automotive world calls it the Static Stability factor, which is pretty much a measurement of a tip-over stability ratio. If you have weight thats is above the center of gravity of the vehicle you increase the overal center of gravity which decreases stability. For example, a Ford Escape weighs less than a fully loaded NA supra, but what is going to handle better. same idea. Thus by saying the Supra can't handle because of its weight seems facetious.

+1 I totally agree. I went from an S13 to a 2+2 Z32 and the chassis does feel lower. Seating in it is much lower to, which goes with what you were saying. The COG of the chassis is lower than the 240. It also feels a lot more stable. The extra weight, although might not be desirable, can be dealt with and actually makes the car feel more stable. It doesn't feel like a gust a wind will knock you off course. I'd say get the Supra if you really want it.

[Diabolical]

Umm a NA MKIV would beat a stock 240. You dont know what slow is until you drive my 92 catback only hatch.

A NA MKIV supra would be the ultimate DD imo. Great looks, fun to drive, handles great, its not a 240sx, great looks..

[articdragon192]

It's kind of a status symbol. What would impress your girl more, a 240 or a Supra? Granted, it is kinda facetious, but nothing wrong with pimping around a good looking car.