Silvia Model Years

[b00mer]

Okay lemme just say going into discovering the true value of the Nissan Silvia was an interesting experience to say the least. What I didn't expect were all the headaches that were associated with figruing out what model was with what year with what gen! Lol. So I did some piecing togetther and this is what I foudn out. Please correct me if I'm wrong on some of these and please add anymore details to healp further enhance my understanding and others. All descriptions are of North American sales.

S13/240SX in US
180SX in Japan
Pruduced: 1988-1994
2 Flavas: Coupe and Fastback (Hatchback? Always wondered why you sil peeps call this a fastback)

Zenki and Kouki mean before and after in Japanese and Zenki describes the rather "harsh" rectangular lights in the 1988-1991 model S13's, whereas the front of the Kouki has a more oval look to the turn blinkers (1991-1994). Both were available in coupe and hatchback. Anything else different besides the turning blinker?

S14/240SX in US
200SX/Silvia in Japan
Produced: 1995-1998

The S14 was the original style and that had an R32 Sjyline look to the headlights which lasted from 1995-1996. The revamped bodystyle (s14a) only changed the front bumper and now the headlights had a more slanted and "edgy" dynamic look to them (1997-1998). Most other upgrades were minor and not worth mentioning.

Also there were some one-offs which I won't go into details about, but the Sil80 comes to mind. I understand that drifters put the s13 style front on the 180sx's since it was cheaper to replace, but now I'm confused as to whether the s13 was the same car as the 180sx? Also there was the one-via or somethign like that and I believge one other. My memory is shot when it comes to this car due to all the different markets naming it all different. How confusing! Please correct me on my post as much as you can! Thanks!

[b00mer]

Sorry, but I also forgot to mention a couple other things that came to mind. For starters, there were no more hatchbacks ever seen the s13 models ended so all the S14's were coupes. Also, the other one-off that I was referring to was the straberry face which is basically an S15 front end with S15 headlights strapped onto either an S13 or S14. It was called strawberry seems 15 in english meant strawberry in japanese or something like that.

Also forgot to add that with the Sil80, Nissan of Japan made around 400 of their own in 1994. They looked the same except I believe that the tail lights were changed to round ones reminescent of the skyline and the turn signals were 3 horizontal stripes inbetween the 2 circles on either side.

Anywho, I think that is about it. I would appreciate any and all corrections made so that anybody can get the idea of the models at a glance at one post. I'm especially intertested int he differences between the S13 coupe and fastback with the zenki and kouki design. Night peeps!

[uuninja]

Hun? <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>

In Japan.

s13 = S chassis cuope, fixed headlights, badged SIlvia.
Motors available. ca18de, ca18det before 91. 91 and after were the sr20de in J's and Q's trim and sr20det for the K's trim. ONly one style of tail lights available. Any round ones you saw were prpbably r32 taillights which can be bolted on.

RPS13 = 180sx aka S chassis Hatchback. Flip up style head lights. Same motor choices, same years IIRC. Zenki refers to 180's prior to 1996.5 which shared the tailights with our 240sx.
after which came the Kouki with the round tail lights you refered to untill the 180sx ceased production in 1998

The Sil80 made a production run of 500 I believe. And was only offered one or 2 years. Don't have dates.

[BEISSEN]

the
kouki=97-98 in the us and japan as far as i know
zenki is the 95-96 in the us.The 95-96 come with the rounder headlights and the 97-98 came witht eh aggresive lights and a different tail lights.the 95-96 had more of a honeycomb look to them as whee the 97-98 have a rippeld look with a gunmetal badge in the middle as where the 95-96 had a chrome bade that can be removed to beome completely bageless.And completed the rest in his post as far as i can remember so you look at a rps13,s14a,s14b,sil80............

[matic 240sx]

s14 zenki started in 94 in japan..

edit and im pretty sure it came with 180sx motor (black top 205hp sr20det)

[guidot]

matic - you are on top of it! &nbsp;ya beat me to the punch. &nbsp;

In Japan, the S14 Zenki was actually offered from 94-96. &nbsp;The s14 Kouki was offered 97-98. &nbsp;The engines were as follows:
s13 coupe (silvia): ca18de, ca18det, after 91 was the sr20de and sr20det, red and blacktop.
s13 hatch (180sx): ca18de(t), and the sr20de(t), red and blacktop.
s14 (silvia): sr20det (blacktop).

After the s15, the silvia died. &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/nervous.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':nervous:'>

[AKADriver]

zenki in terms of S13s refers to the '89-'90 models only... KA24E in the US, CA18DE(T) in Japan.

likewise kouki usually only refers to the '96.5-'98 180SX.

The other years ('91-'94 US, '91-'96 Japan) are called chouki (middle).

All S14 Silvia K's' ('94-'98) came with the 220ps SR20DET with VCT and Garrett T28. &nbsp;Europe and Australia got a version detuned to 200hp in their S14 200SX, but it was still an S14-type engine with VCT.

In terms of S13 chassis, R = fastback, P = SR20 (turbo or non), H = KA24E, M = KA24DE... sometimes you'll see a "K-" prefix (like K-RMS13) which refers to SuperHICAS. &nbsp;S13s with no specific engine code have the CA18 (turbo or non).

"S14/S14a" etc. aren't official codes in any capacity, just things people made up... &nbsp;I prefer "early/late", or to mention specific years... just to avoid confusion.

We call it a fastback to distance it from "upright" hatchbacks like the Civic, Golf, Focus... &nbsp;besides, that's the name Nissan used in official literature of the day.

[SR20Fastback]

Wasnt their a Chuki 180sx as well? Because I always see chuki turn signals for sale (chuki being middle).

[AKADriver]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (SR20Fastback @ Sep. 03 2002,1:41)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Wasnt their a Chuki 180sx as well? Because I always see chuki turn signals for sale (chuki being middle).</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
I just said that <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

chuki 180SX:
http://www.wam.umd.edu/~ese/nssn0176.jpg

[b00mer]

OMG guys! Thanks that clearing up so many things! You were all very helpful! But a couple more things confuzzled me <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>. Basically, I feel a tad bit on the smarter side and will refer to this post whenever someone has a question about the model years. So let's get started...

So the 180sx is a different car than the Silvia/200SX lineup, but is built on the S13 chasis. Is the only differences the pop-up headlights while the S13 had the flush ones in the front? And both come in 'fastback' and coupe correct?

Also, when referring to 180sx's, is the term zenki established to the '89 and '90 because it had the ca18de(t) engine in Japan? Or are those terms (zenki, chouki, and kouki) refer to the exterior of the car and not the engine codes?

I've been specifically eyeing the zenki and chouki S13's and I wanted to just get my facts straight <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>. Thanks guys! Oh yeah, I'm a fastback sorta guy.

Also if anybody has pics of the rear taillights on the S13 and/or S14 that would be great. I'm trying to paint a mental picture in my head of what all the different 180SX and Silvias looked like so I can spot them from a mile away! Stupid North America and their 240SX's! I get confused since the entire lineup was called 240...All 240's in the states came with a KA24DE correct? There was no exception to the rule here I believe.

I don't want to get into a heated debate about this next subject, but since I know most of you here own a S13 or an S14 already, I was wondering what made you choose that generation and not the latter? Just curious. I still have yet to ride or drive both, but just wanted insight from peeps who has been there and done that.

Was also wondering how come peeps who own an S13/180sx sometimes dropped a CA18DET in instead of the SR20DET. What benefits did this posess?

I've also noticed that some of the earlier 90's 240SX's came in a vert option. What years and models came with this option?

Also the '88 and '89 S13's came with a SOHC KA24DE whereas the '90-'94 came with DOHC. Is this a big deal for someone who is planning to swap in an SR anyways? I also vaguely remember something about low and high porting? Where the S13's all got low and the S14 and S15 got high. I believe this only held up in Japan though.

[b00mer]

ttt

[95exlude]

not all usdm 240sxs had ka24de, minor difference, but '89,'91 had the ka24e difference being sohc to dohc

[kurissuS13]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">So the 180sx is a different car than the Silvia/200SX lineup, but is built on the S13 chasis. Is the only differences the pop-up headlights while the S13 had the flush ones in the front? And both come in 'fastback' and coupe correct?
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the S13 Fastback is the 180SX, the 240SX FB, and the 200SX FB (Aus.). all FB's have the pop-up lights, except the limited edition Sil-Eighty. the S13 coupe is the Silvia and the 240SX coupe.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Also, when referring to 180sx's, is the term zenki established to the '89 and '90 because it had the ca18de(t) engine in Japan? Or are those terms (zenki, chouki, and kouki) refer to the exterior of the car and not the engine codes?
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the terms zenki, chuki, and kouki refer to the model of the car, like u would say for a early model, late model, etc.
zenki: '89-'90
chuki: '91-'94
kouki: '95-'98

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Was also wondering how come peeps who own an S13/180sx sometimes dropped a CA18DET in instead of the SR20DET. What benefits did this posess?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

the benefits r that, price-wise, it's cheaper engine. upgrading this engine is harder to accomplish because of the lack of aftermarket support for the CA, except in Aus.

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Also the '88 and '89 S13's came with a SOHC KA24DE whereas the '90-'94 came with DOHC. Is this a big deal for someone who is planning to swap in an SR anyways?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

the SOHC engine is the KA24E. the DOHC engine is the KA24DE. for the SR swap, having the DOHC engine makes it easier to transplant some of the accessories (AC, PS, etc.) onto the new engine.

hope that helps. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

[b00mer]

Thanks a ton man! you were a great help! Sorry if it sounds like I'm pinning you guys for answers. I just love soaking in information esp. when it comes to silvia's! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

[sxtasy]

HOLY S**T! I learned more in this one thread than reading through countless forums for the last 6 months!

Thanks for all the input guys.

[b00mer]

See! What did I tell you! One happy customer! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> Anycody wanna finish off bt posting front and rear end pics of all silvias and 180sx's? Would be pretty helpful hehe.

[b00mer]

ttt

[sponge bob]

I would like to know if the later model 180sx i.e. 96-98 still used the high port sr20det with out the VVT. Since the s14 which was offered at the same time used the low port with VVT wouldnt it have been more cost effective to use the same head design with the 180sx's? The reason I ask is I am getting an s13 black top front clip (possible '98) and was worried that I might be getting the low port design with the VVT. I really want the high port design and no VVT.

Thanks, Asgar

[vudoodrifter03]

dont forget the s12 and the countless models from the 70's on up (the s12 came in hatch and coupe)

[ruf]

Originally posted by sponge bob
I would like to know if the later model 180sx i.e. 96-98 still used the high port sr20det with out the VVT. Since the s14 which was offered at the same time used the low port with VVT wouldnt it have been more cost effective to use the same head design with the 180sx's? The reason I ask is I am getting an s13 black top front clip (possible '98) and was worried that I might be getting the low port design with the VVT. I really want the high port design and no VVT.

Thanks, Asgar YES. All S13 SR20DET (redtop and blacktop) are high-port, non-VVT.

[nrcooled]

Originally posted by sponge bob
I would like to know if the later model 180sx i.e. 96-98 still used the high port sr20det with out the VVT. Since the s14 which was offered at the same time used the low port with VVT wouldnt it have been more cost effective to use the same head design with the 180sx's? The reason I ask is I am getting an s13 black top front clip (possible '98) and was worried that I might be getting the low port design with the VVT. I really want the high port design and no VVT.

Thanks, Asgar

No. The redtop and blacktop SRs out of the 180sx are mechanically the same. Though I have never taken them both apart side by side to compare someone on FA did and reported no differences and took pics:eek: ;)

The ECUs are not interchangable though.

Edit: Da_mn you Ruf and your fast posting:p Zilvia has been running really slow lately:(

[mrmephistopheles]

God, not another revived thread....

[mixedwell]

hey um... THERES NO SUCH THING AS VVT FOR NISSAN! :D its VTC... just to let you guys in on that. Honda had VTEC/iVTEC, Toyota has VVT/VVTi, and nisan had the VTC. (vertial cam timing) but VT is pretty close.

difference between the s13 black and redtop motors:

the ECU! thats it... the redtop ECU dont work with the blacktop motor and viceversa. so yeah have fun with that!


now..... back to the SIlvias/180sx's

mixedwell ;)

[elevator]

http://trueno.streetracing.org/images/silviacsp111965.jpg
Silvia CSP11 1965
http://trueno.streetracing.org/images/silvias101975.jpg
S10 1975
http://trueno.streetracing.org/images/silvias1101979.jpg
S11 1979
http://trueno.streetracing.org/images/silvias121983.jpg
S12 1983
http://trueno.streetracing.org/images/silvias131988.jpg
The King 1988
http://trueno.streetracing.org/images/s14_zenki_silvia.jpg
S14/Zenki 1993
http://trueno.streetracing.org/images/silvia-top.gif
S14/Kouki 1996
http://trueno.streetracing.org/images/s15.jpg
The New King S15 1999

[Black 97SE]

just a question, sorry. Can somebody explain to me the difference between the S13 redtop and blacktop? And what's the difference betweenn the S14 blacktop and the S13 sr's besides hp and turbo difference.

[boro240]

http://www.zilvia.net/f/blued2/top_search.gif (http://www.zilvia.net/f/search.php?s=), this thread should be locked already.