Vg30 S13

[bardabe]

Alright guys ha ha I already searched I sure as Hell am tempted like a mother fucker to do this swap. =) I think I can sell the RB set up. and get funds to do the VG swap. Im sure I wont be the fastest on the block. But I will be quick. 222hp Bone stock N/A it would be nice. I was thinking I can get a VG30DE Motor set, fab up the tranny mount, motor mounts, and stuff, drive shaft etc etc. once it's all put in I can have the Oil Pan Fabbed and I can modify the Oil Pick up myself. Im sure I can have allot of fun with that, not to mention the Experience. what you guys think?

-Juan

[racer98]

Alright guys ha ha I already searched I sure as Hell am tempted like a mother fucker to do this swap. =) I think I can sell the RB set up. and get funds to do the VG swap. Im sure I wont be the fastest on the block. But I will be quick. 222hp Bone stock N/A it would be nice. I was thinking I can get a VG30DE Motor set, fab up the tranny mount, motor mounts, and stuff, drive shaft etc etc. once it's all put in I can have the Oil Pan Fabbed and I can modify the Oil Pick up myself. Im sure I can have allot of fun with that, not to mention the Experience. what you guys think?

-Juan

post pics when your done.


good luck.

[azndoc]

I think good luck and have fun with it.

[bardabe]

^^^ LOL you guys sound like "That foo is nuts, what the fuck is he thinking LOL sumb kid" arent yah thinking that? ha ha Idk it popped in my head and its really bugging me it really does sound fun. I was thinking about the J30 cross memeber since the J30 and Schassis share some similarities I might be able to pull that off. idk we'll see.

[LB.Motoring]

put in a L28et :D

[ecuastyle84]

i think that would be a pretty sick swap...good luck with it and post pics

[racer98]

put in a L28et :D

saw one in japan a while back, cool and obscure but there is only so much power you can pull out of a Heat soaking motor :).

[racer98]

i think that would be a pretty sick swap...heres someone i know with a VQ30
http://i28.photobucket.com/albums/c233/ecuastyle84/l_ced2d833f555105901f91ef32a2fa71e.jpg

got any info on the VQ40 motor from the pathfinder ?????

[racer98]

^^^ LOL you guys sound like "That foo is nuts, what the fuck is he thinking LOL sumb kid" arent yah thinking that? ha ha Idk it popped in my head and its really bugging me it really does sound fun. I was thinking about the J30 cross memeber since the J30 and Schassis share some similarities I might be able to pull that off. idk we'll see.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v32/AlucardR/picard.jpg

PICARD ?

[Iceman00]

VQ30 > VG30 Plus its heavy...

[drift freaq]

^^^^^^^ took the words right out of my mouth . lol Ya Bardabe if your going to do a V series at least do a VQ30 its light. The VG30 is a pig of an engine in the weight department, just like its brother the VG35.

[Iceman00]

^^^^^^^ took the words right out of my mouth . lol Ya Bardabe if your going to do a V series at least do a VQ30 its light. The VG30 is a pig of an engine in the weight department, just like its brother the VG33.

I fixed your Post. I'm not too sure there was a VG35 Motor...ever.

[ch1873857]

the VG weighs about the same as a KA. i wouldnt worry about weight. its a stupid factor when it comes to motor swaps. there are much more important things to worry about. if you do decide to go with the VG, I have a shit ton of brand new OEM gaskets and such. i think i even have valves and lifters. good luck, i say do it.

[bardabe]

^^^^^^^ took the words right out of my mouth . lol Ya Bardabe if your going to do a V series at least do a VQ30 its light. The VG30 is a pig of an engine in the weight department, just like its brother the VG35.

ha ha sounds like I asked "Im going to do an RB25 swap on my S13" I know the VG30 is a pig, so is the RB. but I thought about it and much like the RB most of the weight is in the tranny + the mottor is going to sit further back so I think most of the weight will be focused in the middle of the car either way, Disreguard the Weight the VG30 has great Support on the US market. so im really convinced about the VG30

[k's_silvia2.0]

Do you what ya like the post up the pics.

[bardabe]

Alright Its 4AM and i am still doing research, anyone that has a J30 can you please take a picture of your Oil pan, or tell me if its a front sump or a Rear Sump oil pan?

(The Z32 is a rear Sump) I know they are diferent and I wanna know how

[240AM]

For the money you might as well do the LS1. And also, if you already have an RB why go through the trouble to swap in a motor that has less power potential?

[steve shadows]

For the money you might as well do the LS1. And also, if you already have an RB why go through the trouble to swap in a motor that has less power potential?

Im going to stab you

Alright guys ha ha I already searched I sure as Hell am tempted like a mother fucker to do this swap. =) I think I can sell the RB set up. and get funds to do the VG swap. Im sure I wont be the fastest on the block. But I will be quick. 222hp Bone stock N/A it would be nice. I was thinking I can get a VG30DE Motor set, fab up the tranny mount, motor mounts, and stuff, drive shaft etc etc. once it's all put in I can have the Oil Pan Fabbed and I can modify the Oil Pick up myself. Im sure I can have allot of fun with that, not to mention the Experience. what you guys think?

-Juan


several people did it, but it was usually vg30dett

go on freshalloy, where people care about horsepower and search.

there are like 3 threads in there somewhere about the VG swap into 240sx with how and dynos.

The nice thing about the NA motor is while its out of the car you can do all kinds of head work, run thinner head gaskets, install some headers, and hook up a nice nitrous kit.

VG30DE has A LOT of torque, more than you probably think, but 7k redline stock is nice as well, power holds, even in the J30t ; )

[ch1873857]

For the money you might as well do the LS1. And also, if you already have an RB why go through the trouble to swap in a motor that has less power potential?

im going to pretend like i didnt read this

[DP_Michelle G]

Juan,

how about the vg30det that would be nice and it uses alot of the parts from the N/A VG

[bardabe]

For the money you might as well do the LS1. And also, if you already have an RB why go through the trouble to swap in a motor that has less power potential?
im gonna pretend you didn;t say that and virtually kick you in the balls. the VG30 has a bullet proof bottom end much like the Supras and GTR's

several people did it, but it was usually vg30dett
go on freshalloy, where people care about horsepower and search.
there are like 3 threads in there somewhere about the VG swap into 240sx with how and dynos.
The nice thing about the NA motor is while its out of the car you can do all kinds of head work, run thinner head gaskets, install some headers, and hook up a nice nitrous kit.

VG30DE has A LOT of torque, more than you probably think, but 7k redline stock is nice as well, power holds, even in the J30t ; )

he he I know Steve. =D remeber I had a TTZ32 before i met you guys for my SR buld ;) I think it'll be sick. right now im searcching on the possibility of using a J30 Oil pan and oil pick up I heard it was a Front Sump unlike the Z32 rear sump. can you elaborate on this for me?

Juan,

how about the vg30det that would be nice and it uses alot of the parts from the N/A VG

I don't like the Idea of a cross over pipe on the back. so I wanna stick with the Twins or go N/A all the way ha ha. either way IM sure its gonna be fun. I'm thinking about getting the N/A motor set for starter. do the swap and all if things work out good and I get motivation I'll just get the TT motor set.

[irax]

if your going to sit the motor further back why worry about going to front sump?

[bardabe]

if your going to sit the motor further back why worry about going to front sump?

because its a huge friggin tranny. it weights a ton. I remeber it very well. not to mention the bellhousing is big. I'm not trying to cut my firewall. or idk maby I will we'll see once i sell my RB set up and pick up the VG30. still pondering wether to go all out on a TT motor or just stick to the N/A for now.

[MavericStephenc]

you know juan, I hate you. good luck bro, oh and I'm taking rb donations thanks

[johngriff]

OMFG why dont you just ask me this last night ;)

There is some guy all over nico from Bahrain that has done a couple of the turbo jobs.

To go front sump just use a z31 oil pan. and redrill the holes in it.

Use an S12 VG crossmember, the members between the 12 and 13 are interchangeable (i know that for sure), j30 idk about yet. Uh, its too hot for me to want to look under my j, but the z31 is going to be an easier find.

Just make sure you use the z32 trans so you dont get stuck like we did. Or if you are going to do the z31 bellhousing/ka hybrid, wait for an answer on a flywheel.... :(

[ch1873857]

sounds like a pretty doable swap. it kinda makes me want to do one.

[drift freaq]

I fixed your Post. I'm not too sure there was a VG35 Motor...ever.

that was supposed to read VQ30 and VQ35 I was tired, lol

[Iceman00]

the VG weighs about the same as a KA. i wouldnt worry about weight. its a stupid factor when it comes to motor swaps. there are much more important things to worry about. if you do decide to go with the VG, I have a shit ton of brand new OEM gaskets and such. i think i even have valves and lifters. good luck, i say do it.

No it doesn't, and No it isn't. The KA and VQ wiegh about the same, while the VG is some 50+lbs heavier, and doesn't really provide that much of a perfomance boost to justify putting in that motor. With the VQ around, I would Never swap a VG.

[coreansurfer]

the reason to go VG instead of VQ is the DETT you get at the end of the VG.

[Iceman00]

the reason to go VG instead of VQ is the DETT you get at the end of the VG.
And 200lb's extra.

[bardabe]

OMFG why dont you just ask me this last night ;)

There is some guy all over nico from Bahrain that has done a couple of the turbo jobs.

To go front sump just use a z31 oil pan. and redrill the holes in it.

Use an S12 VG crossmember, the members between the 12 and 13 are interchangeable (i know that for sure), j30 idk about yet. Uh, its too hot for me to want to look under my j, but the z31 is going to be an easier find.

Just make sure you use the z32 trans so you dont get stuck like we did. Or if you are going to do the z31 bellhousing/ka hybrid, wait for an answer on a flywheel.... :(


sweet that is valuable information I am definetly putting that on Archive. (of my own) the J30 uses front sump that was just convfirmed so I can just use the J30 oil pan no need to redrill or modify the pick up ;) sweeeeet John this is coming together very well. I might post up my RB for sale pretty soon. I hope I don't Regrett this lol

[coreansurfer]

And 200lb's extra.

the extra power is worth it.

[johngriff]

For all the fault's of the rb's ignition system, you wont regret it. Plus the harness on the VG is cake.

For me at least.

And, you get to cheat off me now ;) !

[blu808]

Sorry john but if everytime I see a VG I get sick. I have had terrible exp with them in z cars, and it takes alot to make them reliable.

Try another 200lbs before factoring in all the turbo stuff.

see www.surprisebuttseks.com

[deolio]

i was thinking of doing this swap. sounds like a good project. hope it turns out good. take some pictures allong the way.:bigok:

[Iceman00]

the extra power is worth it.
I heard a Fully dressed VG30DETT with transmission is in the 700lb range.
The VQ motor and trans is in the 460lb range. I'd gladly take 220ish Hp over 300hp and a lot of mass. not to mention a VQ30DET makes about the same power, and is lighter as well.

[johngriff]

Sorry john but if everytime I see a VG I get sick. I have had terrible exp with them in z cars, and it takes alot to make them reliable.

Try another 200lbs before factoring in all the turbo stuff.

see www.surprisebuttseks.com


OH no, dont get me wrong, I will turn down a Z32.

The engine bay in the 12 and 13 is larger. I can fit my hand in and out on the strut towers all day.

LOL, who the hell is xander?

[coreansurfer]

I heard a Fully dressed VG30DETT with transmission is in the 700lb range.
The VQ motor and trans is in the 460lb range. I'd gladly take 220ish Hp over 300hp and a lot of mass. not to mention a VQ30DET makes about the same power, and is lighter as well.
but the vq was never meant to handle boost, under stress the motor gives out, on the other hand the vg is a tank of a motor

[Iceman00]

but the vq was never meant to handle boost, under stress the motor gives out, on the other hand the vg is a tank of a motor

You fucking dumb piece of shit. Who the hell do you think you are to question me? The VQ was never made for boost? Explain:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_VQ_engine#VQ30DET

Shut the fuck up and educate yourself you dumb bastard. Tell me, how do you spare enough brain power to even breathe?

[racer98]

sweet that is valuable information I am definetly putting that on Archive. (of my own) the J30 uses front sump that was just convfirmed so I can just use the J30 oil pan no need to redrill or modify the pick up ;) sweeeeet John this is coming together very well. I might post up my RB for sale pretty soon. I hope I don't Regrett this lol


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[Phlip]

You fucking dumb piece of shit. Who the hell do you think you are to question me? The VQ was never made for boost? Explain:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_VQ_engine#VQ30DET

Shut the fuck up and educate yourself you dumb bastard. Tell me, how do you spare enough brain power to even breathe?

Iceman, I got your PM, and you should be getting my response like nowish.
Now I am advising you to cool it.
... I'm not asking

[racer98]

You fucking dumb piece of shit. Who the hell do you think you are to question me? The VQ was never made for boost? Explain:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nissan_VQ_engine#VQ30DET

Shut the fuck up and educate yourself you dumb bastard. Tell me, how do you spare enough brain power to even breathe?

chll man, I know he might have p/o ya but no need to stress. you now your stuff and the other guy knows his stuff, the topic starter intention is to do something different. But this thread is a :duh: one. I hope the topic starter just gets the job done and posts photos.

[racer98]

OH no, dont get me wrong, I will turn down a Z32.

The engine bay in the 12 and 13 is larger. I can fit my hand in and out on the strut towers all day.

LOL, who the hell is xander?

you now what wold be cool CA20DET set up block make it into a 2100cc Turbo project for an S12 200SX Turbo RWD. and get it to pass smog would be an other challenge.

Z32 is a PITA car. TURBO version as well.

[coreansurfer]

oh shit, everybody, iceman can quote wikipedia, the most unreliable source of information on the internet. this makes him an end all source for information.

who are you to call anyone out?

you drive a FUCKING ALTIMA

and dont bother to neg rep me, it doesnt do anything since youre so far red.

i posi rep'd you cuz you're so pathetic

[Phlip]

Look, I am ALSO advising everyone else to refrain from further engaging this shit...
Gasoline is ineffective for the dousing of a fire.

[240AM]

Back on topic, do it if you want to but you are going through a lot of extra work for minimal if any gain. Logic dictates that you should work with what you have unless you just have money to burn.

[Iceman00]

oh shit, everybody, iceman can quote wikipedia, the most unreliable source of information on the internet. this makes him an end all source for information.

who are you to call anyone out?

you drive a FUCKING ALTIMA

and dont bother to neg rep me, it doesnt do anything since youre so far red.

i posi rep'd you cuz you're so pathetic
And you drive a 240sx. What is your point?
http://www.engineswaptech.com/forums/thread/1352.aspx

[DOOK]

this is a good idea but god damn that makes for a PITA to work on shit under your hood. The Z32s are hard enough to work on and they are designed to have it in there... Like I said, good idea but hella work.

Iceman, like I tried to tell yah the other night man, I don't disagree with your facts all that much, just your method of getting them across. Keep your cool and folks will listen to you more bud.

[Iceman00]

this is a good idea but god damn that makes for a PITA to work on shit under your hood. The Z32s are hard enough to work on and they are designed to have it in there... Like I said, good idea but hella work.

Iceman, like I tried to tell yah the other night man, I don't disagree with your facts all that much, just your method of getting them across. Keep your cool and folks will listen to you more bud.

Sometimes, its just easier to be an asshole to people, than to explain the same thing to them over and over. Knives pm'd me 20 times trying to convince me that the KA24E and The KA24DE are the same thing.

This guy here is arguing about the existance of a VQ30DET. Honestly, its probably not a cost effective swap, but, if the OP really wants to make power, he's not going to be worrying how much power a Stock internal motor makes anyhow. He'll do it right, and build it up.

[bardabe]

well im still researching, but so far idk, seems like I will be putting some extra money out of my pocket for this even after all the RB componennts are gone. I will look into it, and maby someone wants it done? I can do it for you, this project is very doable and I am down to do it. i just don;t see much improvement over my RB aside from the tranny being a little beefier. (RB20DET) but im gathering allot of info and putting it into an archive in my PC, I will for sure do this down the line.


the way I see this is a cheap alternative to an RB26

RB26 = 4500 for a motorset / front clip
VGDE TT - 2K for a motor set.

same Horse power, same weight, we'll have to test them out against eachother soon.
-Juan

[Kn1ves]

Sometimes, its just easier to be an asshole to people, than to explain the same thing to them over and over. Knives pm'd me 20 times trying to convince me that the KA24E and The KA24DE are the same thing.


yea dude they're completely the same thing :loco:
:love:

[CKAMC]

Juan

IDK why you want to play with a VG... the thing also makes me sick.

No VQ30 love?

good luck tho, I just find it to be a PITA with the all the hose's it has in the evap system... and thats just the starting point of the pain.

[bardabe]

Juan

IDK why you want to play with a VG... the thing also makes me sick.

No VQ30 love?

good luck tho, I just find it to be a PITA with the all the hose's it has in the evap system... and thats just the starting point of the pain.

yeah ha ha fuck that, I forgot about the vacum gallery on it. shit is insanly complexitibly nasty all over the caca place. lol I wanna do it for shits and giggles but im pretty happy with the RB

I'll research and do it when i got some money to blow ha ha

-Juan

[johngriff]

Oh god, its really not that bad.

Tomorrow, I'll bust the 10meg out and go snap up some pictures of the S12. It was done on the cheap, while we were drinking. Juan, if your not too drunk, and not too broke, you should be able to do this fine. We pulled the N/A off sub $1000 in parts.

[bardabe]

Oh god, its really not that bad.

Tomorrow, I'll bust the 10meg out and go snap up some pictures of the S12. It was done on the cheap, while we were drinking. Juan, if your not too drunk, and not too broke, you should be able to do this fine. We pulled the N/A off sub $1000 in parts.

ha ha I want Twin Turbo. =) I wanna put my friends RB26 to shame.

[Iceman00]

Good luck on that...

[johngriff]

Iceman00 go away bro. Allright bro. Just, go, away.

Look, I'll even bust out Norwegian Down Tempo Electronica, and host it, just to get the message across.

http://www.rpsportengineering.com/goaway.mp3

http://www.180sxfaktory.com/

On the home page.

This guy, is like my hero, he's my friend on myspace. Guy rockin socks all the way from bahrain.

[johngriff]

Pics pics pics.

http://www.rpsportengineering.com/Pictures/S12/S1201.jpg
http://www.rpsportengineering.com/Pictures/S12/S1202.jpg
http://www.rpsportengineering.com/Pictures/S12/S1203.jpg
http://www.rpsportengineering.com/Pictures/S12/S1204.jpg
http://www.rpsportengineering.com/Pictures/S12/S1205.jpg
http://www.rpsportengineering.com/Pictures/S12/S1206.jpg
http://www.rpsportengineering.com/Pictures/S12/S1207.jpg

I hate e-gangsters......

[coreansurfer]

thats quite sexy

[johngriff]

LOL, Its ok for a budget project done over a couple 12 packs...

[steve shadows]

LOL, Its ok for a budget project done over a couple 12 packs...

and over 3 years! haha

or 2? Brian was calling me for the last 6 months asking me about wiring.

I guess you hashed it for him?

I see the allure of the 4 cam V6.

Especially in an s12. But stock output is barely 200 bhp, depending on the condition of the motor. which is cool.

But put the bish on a stand do some head work!

300hp, 300 ft lb torque NA should be doable and would be sick imo.

but its heavy, heavy as holy fuck, like 700 lbs heavy . totally anal rape your balance in the car imo. I guess its cool for an er, NA drag car? or something...

[bardabe]

^^^ LOL that's tight. its missing 2 turbos though =( but yeah i get the point ha ha it FITS now the question? are we gonna wiggle it in there with the set of Twins in there? and a big ass FMIC? oh we shall see.

-Juan

[johngriff]

Yeah, that was the tough part, was the wiring, because there was no "easy how to" for it. Been so busy didn't have any time for "free projects". Finally hashed it out (only 7 hours). Brian and i picked up the old vg by hand(sohc) and didnt really feel that much of a difference.

Years? Maybe of brian letting his crap sit around waiting to be assembled. The actual install was an easy bake a cake fun time!