Titan V8 in a 240

[blknismo180]

my first question is would it even fit????
i seen a Z motor but not the V8 nissa motor yet...
my second question is what shell would it be better for? S13 coupe/hatch or a the S14? :loco:

[Unholy S14]

its been done so yes it fits.

I think the one i saw was in a s13.

[blknismo180]

u wouldnt happen to have any pics of the TITAN 240?

[Unholy S14]

honestly i dont, the thread i saw had pics and videos.

[The Chad]

If people are swapping Q45 motors and chevy small blocks into 240's, it is def possible...just goes to say, anything is possible with enough time and money. :)

[ms!3]

its called a vk56

[SexPanda]

I believe the engine wouldnt fit, ive read about this. Its DOHC, as apposed to cam in block or anything. Its too wide, if i remember right.

And why do that? You can pick up a used chevy 350 for half the cost.

[avs0730]

I believe the engine wouldnt fit, ive read about this. Its DOHC, as apposed to cam in block or anything. Its too wide, if i remember right.

And why do that? You can pick up a used chevy 350 for half the cost.
yes your right but have nissan with a nissan v8 and 32 valve is real nice.

[SexPanda]

yes your right but have nissan with a nissan v8 and 32 valve is real nice.
eh yeah. I do think its too wide though. I read somewhere about someone trying to do this and having to cut into the wheel wells or something. Im pretty sure its too wide.

[dirtdiggler666]

ya its super super wide look at pics of chris forsburg's z and i swear it looks super tight and im sure the z's engine bay is bigger. and anyone know the lbs of that engine?? it looks heavy and huge

[SexPanda]

the KA24DE weighs something like 309 lbs with no accessories.
Ok, the VK56 weighs 90 lbs more than the VQ35... Cant find the weight of that though. I suck at searching.

[scarecrow27]

ive seen it swapped into a 350z but not a 240

[projectRDM]

It fits, but the firewall needs to be cut to accept the Armada's huge automatic transmission. Long time 240 enthusiast Rich Bjornson is doing one, it's been a while since I've seen an update but he had most of the major fabwork already done at last check. Frame rails weren't touched.

[GabeS14]

Theres a guy, that is always at the D1 events,(show part) he has a camo painted 180sx/240 with the nissan V8 in it.
he has a shop or something i lost his card.but i think they do custom builds

[Kn1ves]

http://www.ffdet.com/members/rich/S14/V8swap.htm

http://turbo-infiniti.org/viewtopic.php?t=27&sid=d36be1af2232947d5b7af198eeb73be9

http://www.turbo-infiniti.org/gallery/albums/userpics/VK56_test_fit_240sx.jpg

http://www.turbo-infiniti.org/gallery/albums/userpics/VK56_swap_trans_tunnel.jpg

[Kaotik25]

yeah i knew you have to cut into the firewall. Still, it is something. That 240 is a beast.

[WilloW]

Edit: ^^he beats me to it.

[codyace]

yes your right but have nissan with a nissan v8 and 32 valve is real nice.

But a Pushrod LS1 is nicer



I'm a Nissan guy at heart, but any v8 swap this side of a LS1 makes zero sense other than being different. The LS1 outpwoers them all, and it's modability is legendary. Heck, an LS2 makes even more sense, as it excepts all of the 6.2 heads/intake upgrades....you can do a stock LS2 bottom, with different GM heads/intake + aftermarket cam and easily make 500+ on engine.

[jskateborders]

Out of curiousity, is there a manual transmission that links to this, or only auto?

[ch1873857]

But a Pushrod LS1 is nicer



I'm a Nissan guy at heart, but any v8 swap this side of a LS1 makes zero sense other than being different. The LS1 outpwoers them all, and it's modability is legendary. Heck, an LS2 makes even more sense, as it excepts all of the 6.2 heads/intake upgrades....you can do a stock LS2 bottom, with different GM heads/intake + aftermarket cam and easily make 500+ on engine.

:jerkit: fuck ls1s dude. i wouldnt go with the vk56 personally. but the VH45 fits quite nicely into an s chassis. its a flawless motor and can be had for cheap. and why automatic? simple adapter plate can be made to use a manual gearbox. and how cheap? the VH is an older motor also, so it can be found just as cheap as any other. i picked one up for $200 right in town.

[Kn1ves]

compare the aftermarket support of the LS1 vs the VH45? I'll stick with the LS1 tyvm

you also have hood clearance issues with the vh45 if my memory serves me correctly

[ch1873857]

if you know how to fabricate mounts the hood clears fine. fuck aftermarket support. get creative.

[steve shadows]

If i was that hard up for torque Id just do an rb25.


or you could build a 2.4 litre sr20det.


if you tell me that the ls1-2 swap is cheaper GFyourself.

because at the end of the day its a race car, whats another 3k into a motor if it was engineered for the chasis from the factory etc.

all this hacking of chasis is awesome, it makes me sad sometimes but hey fuck the chasis and fuck nissan.

Because all the people hacking chasis and fucking mig welding shit together ( not all of you are tig ) have done CAD and maybe run your

moutning and modifications by a Nissan Engineer or a PHD in mechanical engineering at least...

I dont understand why people just dont weld a cage into a fox body and drift that, or a camaro or any other american chasis that accepts a V8.

I just dont get it. Learn how to drift a car with low torque output, dont use a v8 to make up for it.

[ch1873857]

i think you missed the point but thats ok. whats with all the mig, tig shit? i live by the torch but mig is best in some case. you make no sense to me guy..

[codyace]

:jerkit: fuck ls1s dude. i wouldnt go with the vk56 personally. but the VH45 fits quite nicely into an s chassis. its a flawless motor and can be had for cheap.

F LSx engines? Im' a diehard Ford guy, but EVEN I ADMIT how great the LSX engine series is. Even in STOCK form, you're looking at a 300whp/300wtrq car...unbelieable! Stick a cam in it, intake, tune, exhaust...and you've got the easiest, most reliable 400-450 whp car ever. Throw some heads on it, 500 whp....or get creative with 383 power.

Did I mention a properly tuned 400 whp LS1 can get in the 22-23 mpg range too? Some broke kids aren't getting that with 220 whp SR20's.

You'll never ever ever convince me of a v8 swap that makes more sense than an LSX based engine. It makes more power than any Nissan swap stock, it weighs less than the sr20, makes the most HP/TRQ per dollar, and can run good old pump gas even with FI power into the 600/700 range. Sick. Oh yea, spin them to 8000 rpm all day.

d just as cheap as any other. i picked one up for $200 right in town.

Cheap never ever ever equals better.

if you know how to fabricate mounts the hood clears fine. fuck aftermarket support. get creative.

Not everyone has fab shop capability or similar in house. Think of the masses, and not the lucky. I'd die without my dad owning a shop and having good tools.

If i was that hard up for torque Id just do an rb25.

V8 torque > I6


if you tell me that the ls1-2 swap is cheaper GFyourself.

Depends on the power level. I think if you're looking for the most reliable 400-500 hp setup, you can't beat an LS1 swap. If I did more research, I'd have one in my car :D

because at the end of the day its a race car, whats another 3k into a motor if it was engineered for the chasis from the factory etc.

Pastor Shadows speaks the muggafuggin truf....but remember LS1+T56 weighs less than an SR and tranny :D

I dont understand why people just dont weld a cage into a fox body and drift that, or a camaro or any other american chasis that accepts a V8.

With the amount of suspension support for Fox chassis stangs, it has always made me wonder why they don't get used more often.

i think you missed the point but thats ok. whats with all the mig, tig shit? i live by the torch but mig is best in some case. you make no sense to me guy..

(This is purely an assumption based on my experiences)I can tell by that statement that you're a hack. Who f-in torch welds anymore?!?! Especially when you can get a little 180 Miller for DIRT cheap.

[ch1873857]

F LSx engines? Im' a diehard Ford guy, but EVEN I ADMIT how great the LSX engine series is. Even in STOCK form, you're looking at a 300whp/300wtrq car...unbelieable! Stick a cam in it, intake, tune, exhaust...and you've got the easiest, most reliable 400-450 whp car ever. Throw some heads on it, 500 whp....or get creative with 383 power.

Did I mention a properly tuned 400 whp LS1 can get in the 22-23 mpg range too? Some broke kids aren't getting that with 220 whp SR20's.

You'll never ever ever convince me of a v8 swap that makes more sense than an LSX based engine. It makes more power than any Nissan swap stock, it weighs less than the sr20, makes the most HP/TRQ per dollar, and can run good old pump gas even with FI power into the 600/700 range. Sick. Oh yea, spin them to 8000 rpm all day.


to each his own. a vh in its stock form matches or beats an ls1.. so no it does not make more power than the VH stock. the estimated HP ratings for the motor are without VTC. since when are LS1s cheap? ive never doubted the ls1. id do if it nissan didnt make a superior V8 to the ls1 (stock) and i do agree that the ls1 is cheap but you are talking big money for a swap. all i was trying to say is that a vh swap can be had for much cheaper. also have a hard time believing an 8 cylinder aluminum engine is lighter than a 4 cylinder aluminum engine...

Cheap never ever ever equals better.

why spend a few grand on a motor when you can spend a few hundred on a motor and build the shit out of it for the same price? eh? thats just me.

Not everyone has fab shop capability or similar in house. Think of the masses, and not the lucky. I'd die without my dad owning a shop and having good tools.

theres a guy on here that just did a vh swap. he made his motor mounts using a shitty flux core welder. fit just fine, just use your head.

This is purely an assumption based on my experiences)I can tell by that statement that you're a hack. Who f-in torch welds anymore?!?! Especially when you can get a little 180 Miller for DIRT cheap.

a hack eh? well, dont know about you but i use a torch EVERY time i TIG weld. idiot. yeah..you know what your talking about.

[mRclARK1]

Originally posted by: codyace
....but remember LS1+T56 weighs less than an SR and tranny

I don't know how you figure that. LS1 crate motor weight is 390lbs. + T56 tranny (courtesy of google at 120ish depending on exact model) comes out to 510lbs. IIRC SR+tranny is about 480ish.

I'm NOT saying that the extra 30 lbs of that combo nullifies it's obvious power advantages over the SR, both taken in stock form.

[Otis Performance]

do the ls1 s13..

you can find a ls1 fullswap on craigslist for cheap. and use the r33 xmember and custom drive shalf.

if your going to drift with the ls1 you should get a aftermarket oil pan..

[trust187]

I don't know about you guys but 317 hp and 385 lbs of torque from the vk56 is pretty impressive to me . They even have 700hp titans out there in N/A form so I believe the vk can compete.

[mmdb]

Ls1. Simple. Effective. Great product support. Bullet proof 6 speed transmission (virtually serviceable anywhere and can be found BRAND NEW). Unlimited power potential (common for supercharged v8s to pull 600+ hp). Aluminum block. No cutting of firewall. Usage of stock computer. More than enough power stock (315+ hp/tq). Add a cam, tune, and 400 w/hp. More torque you know what to do with STOCK.

http://i7.photobucket.com/albums/y259/mmdb/LS1%20Swap/IMG_5021.jpg

[Otis Performance]

the ls7 is pretty impressive

[ch1873857]

and pretty expensive. eh..whatever, if moneys not i thing to you guys go for it.

[codyace]

to each his own. a vh in its stock form matches or beats an ls1..

Crack kilsl kid. Where do you find this info from? LS1 is a 300/300 engine....proven time and time and time and time and time again.


Nice little thread on a local forum of LS1's and what they can do stock bottom end:
http://www.lvimports.net/showthread.php?t=1914


so no it does not make more power than the VH stock. the estimated HP ratings for the motor are without VTC.

What? They dyno the engine, and give you hp. Quit believing yourself.

since when are LS1s cheap?

Seen them an dtrannys go for as low as 2500...and you can find them cheaper if you search hard enough.


ive never doubted the ls1. id do if it nissan didnt make a superior V8 to the ls1 (stock)

What does superior mean to you? The only engine that out powers it is the Titan V8...and BTW they are huge, heavy, and well expensive.

and i do agree that the ls1 is cheap but you are talking big money for a swap. all i was trying to say is that a vh swap can be had for much cheaper. also have a hard time believing an 8 cylinder aluminum engine is lighter than a 4 cylinder aluminum engine...

Cheap doens't make it better.

Believe it. Look up weights.


why spend a few grand on a motor when you can spend a few hundred on a motor and build the shit out of it for the same price? eh? thats just me.

Because total cost in the end will probabyl be the same, and the LS1 will still have more power potential.



theres a guy on here that just did a vh swap. he made his motor mounts using a shitty flux core welder. fit just fine, just use your head.

No duh. Been around here a while myself. Not EVERYONE has a mig welder.



a hack eh? well, dont know about you but i use a torch EVERY time i TIG weld. idiot. yeah..you know what your talking about.

Torch weldding to me, means using a torch and braze rod. Sorry, next time explain yourself better. I still believe you to be a hack.

I don't know how you figure that. LS1 crate motor weight is 390lbs. + T56 tranny (courtesy of google at 120ish depending on exact model) comes out to 510lbs. IIRC SR+tranny is about 480ish.

Truth. Just engine weighs less. My fault there

I'm NOT saying that the extra 30 lbs of that combo nullifies it's obvious power advantages over the SR, both taken in stock form.

300 hp/300 ft lbs vs 220/220....yea 30 lbs could be saved by taking the tire and seats out hehe.

I don't know about you guys but 317 hp and 385 lbs of torque from the vk56 is pretty impressive to me . They even have 700hp titans out there in N/A form so I believe the vk can compete.

700 hp N/A? Please please please show me graphs of that monster if even real.

I know of a very prominent Nissan tuner that has had success, but nearly that much (or at least to my knowledge) A cammed LS1 still puts out as much power.

the ls7 is pretty impressive

Very true, but out of the price range of everyone. For the cost of the ls7 you could build a monster ls1 that makes 700+ hp

[JRas]

V8 240SX:

http://www.mouseattack.org/240sx15.htm

[trust187]

i dont have any dynos but here http://www.nissannews.com/events/nissan/motorsport/20050902095614.shtml if this counts as proof at all.

[ch1873857]

god this thread has been a waste of time. yep 2500..real cheap. id rather buy another 240 and rebuild the KA. thats right the ls1 is the answer to everything, lets not do something more creative and original. blow me.

in the end i really dont give a shit what motor you favor. im not even a VH guy i would just rather stick to nissan motors and nissan parts. if i want a v8, i'll go to the vh because its more power than i'll ever need in a DD. I would rather build a 1.8l 4 cylinder motor and see how much i can get out of that. because saying you have a 3 or 400hp 1.8l 4 cylinder is more impressive to me. shit i'll stick to something lighter than the ka and the sr. thats why i said to each his own. i dont feel like arguing anymore. this turned into one pointless bitchfest and has gone no where. its like a KA, SR argument..woopy doo.

[codyace]

i dont have any dynos but here http://www.nissannews.com/events/nissan/motorsport/20050902095614.shtml if this counts as proof at all.

Then there is a high compression race motor that lasts one race and one race only. I knew of the Off Road program (and they mention another big Nissan engine specialist in the artcile) having awesome hp, but we'll never EVER see one of those in an S chassis....nor would that be cheap to create. Gratned stock VK56 cams are WIMPY, it would be much easier to make that HP with the LSx engine, have much more longevity, and be cheaper.


god this thread has been a waste of time. yep 2500..real cheap.id rather buy another 240 and rebuild the KA.

I think you're brand loyalty and lack of knowledge abotu LSx's are overwhelming

Lets play this scenario

You get a KA, and build it. Looking at what? 1000 for pistons and rods, another 100 in bearings, 100 in misc stuff, 100 in head studs, 150-250 in machine work...so you have 1600 dollars into an engine that still puts out 130 whp N/A. That leaves you with 900 (2500 for ls1 - 1600 for KA) to start making power. You get a turbo (we'll say a t3/t4 to be cheap) and a manifold...and yo've already spent the same about of money as an LS1 and still make 130 whp, vs the 300 you could have with the LS1 (wow, 170 MORE hp for the same cost so far).

Now you say, who cares, lets factor in ALL of the turbo stuff for the KA...intercooler, EMS, exhaust, hardware etc etc....you're looking to spend what? 5000ish to 7000 bucks (if not more) for a car than can handle 500ish HP barely on pump.

Now we'll do reverse math again. 6000 for that KA turbo build, and you ahve 3500 left over for the LS1. You spend 1800 of that on a heads/cam package, another 400ish for the install, 400ish for the LS1edit and harness, and another 200 for the driveshaft mods....and you still have considerable money left over. Why not put a n2o kit and spray yourself a nice 100 shot and make 600 hp. Wow, all day everyday, on pump.

So in the end, you'll spend the same amount of money to do it properly, and still be slower than the oldschool LSmofuggin1.


thats right the ls1 is the answer to everything, lets not do something more creative and original. blow me.

An LS1 not creative? I wasn't ware that they were everywhere. Again, learn more about the LSx before pushing it off as Old American V8 mullet junk...as thats the worst thing you could do. Be open to all brands and all engines...

in the end i really dont give a shit what motor you favor. im not even a VH guy i would just rather stick to nissan motors and nissan parts. if i want a v8, i'll go to the vh because its more power than i'll ever need in a DD.

I respect brand loyalty. Im' a Ford guy. You don't see me campaigning for a Mod motor to sit in an S chassis do ya?

I love my SR20. It makes great power. I'd rather have done it LS1 style tho now that I know about LS1 power.


I would rather build a 1.8l 4 cylinder motor and see how much i can get out of that. because saying you have a 3 or 400hp 1.8l 4 cylinder is more impressive to me.

Equally to me. I have exactly that sitting in my 240. I don't for one second think it's more reliable than an LS1.

shit i'll stick to something lighter than the ka and the sr. thats why i said to each his own.

What would be lighter, and make equal power in the S chassis? Enlighten me here.


i dont feel like arguing anymore. this turned into one pointless bitchfest and has gone no where. its like a KA, SR argument..woopy doo.

I dissagree. This was a thraed where you said something, I've proven you wrong, and you've basically said you'd be more brand loyal than performance oriented.

Again, Im' abotu abotu the ultimate performance out of a platform. I love my car, and believe it's a great example of a awesome street/track/strip/all around car...but I respect the fact that I could have done it better with a high strung all aluminum v8 torque monster.

KA vs SR is one thing, but arguing that Nissan offers a V8 that rivles an LSx engine is silly.


We have a little saying, and it applies to everything in life: "Dare to be different, but never in the sake of just because" In essence, be different if it's better, not because it's NOT what everyone else is doing.

No harm no foul bud, just trying to open your eyes to the total package concept.

[ch1873857]

you completely mmissed my point. whatever .i admit, the ls1 is a great motor, ive said it before, but do i have to be open to all motors? do i have to like the ls1 over the vh45 because its better? no.. and your whole scenario is complete bullshit but im not even going to get into that. and no. ls1 to me is no longer creative. they are putting them in everything these days. ive enough ls1 240s that it doesnt impress me anymore. if you havent figured it out, im a CA guy. which from at least 4 sources have found that its lighter than the SR and the SR and the LS1 are about the same weight.. if you think you are right again, prove me wrong again. are you enlightened yet? are you done? and dont worry my eyes are open. like i said i accept the ls1, i would just chose a different motor. something wrong with that?

[delphis]

It makes more power than any Nissan swap stock, it weighs less than the sr20,

It weighs less than the KA not the sr.

[ch1873857]

the sr weighs less than the ka..

[codyace]

you completely mmissed my point. whatever

What is your point? YOu mentioned the Vh45, said it was equal to the LS1. It's not.

do i have to like the ls1 over the vh45 because its better?

Here's a better scenario for you, as this is how you sound:

You're at the bar, you've got a really hot girl talking to you, and a heffer talking to you, and both want to rock your world. THis is pure action, and nothing else. You decide that you're going to take the heffer home and do her, over the hot girl, because it's different, just because.

I'm not trying to make fun of you, just trying to see what you're point is. Different is one thing, but chooseing something that will cost as much, and NOT perform as well is...well about as smart as my scenario.

no.. and your whole scenario is complete bullshit but im not even going to get into that.

That's like saying a movie sucks, just because. Why. Total package>Inferior package. My car isn't setup for top end at all, and neither are most 2871r .64 cars...but then again with slicks they outrun most bigger turbos at the track.

Again, overall package/response > fanboi hp. You stick a V8 under the hood, and you've got a torque plataue and HP to boot.

and no. ls1 to me is no longer creative. they are putting them in everything these days. ive enough ls1 240s that it doesnt impress me anymore.

Creative? How many LS1 240's do you actually see. I bet there are under 20. That's rare. Ther are more Veyrons than LS1 240s.

And have you ever though that ls1 swaps were popular because they are a great engine?

If you want to be different with a car, paint it neon green.


if you havent figured it out, im a CA guy. which from at least 4 sources have found that its lighter than the SR and the SR and the LS1 are about the same weight.. if you think you are right again, prove me wrong again.

So you'd rather take a 20year old boat anchor engine, with hardly any support, because it weighs 10-20 lbs less? I'd rather run around the block 2 times, take a dump, and save that weight that way.

....I'm not getting into a CA vs anythign debate, as it would be a huge waste of this forums time.

are you enlightened yet? are you done? and dont worry my eyes are open.

You've not really proved anything substantial to me yet.

like i said i accept the ls1, i would just chose a different motor. something wrong with that?

Not at all. I only asked why you'd put a VH45 in over a LS1, as there isn't a single PRO to the VH45 except a lower intial cost. In the end, they all cost the same.

Lets see if we can bring the technical side of this debate back, use the enter key when you type paragraphs, and not resort to name calling. I'm just trying to learn how you're arguement would prove to be better, but can't see anything better out of it, other than being different...and again, if you want to be different, go skydive with no pants on.

[Daniel.]

I would just like to say that Cody, you have definitely "brought the tech". Great posts.

I would also like to see ch1873857 provide more facts and less name calling... :)

[Kn1ves]

Nobody mentioned the fact that it with the same amount of money put into a Turbo KA vs LSx swap there is one major difference that tips the weigh of the scale in favor of the LSx even more.

Two words.

Smog legal.

[codyace]

Nobody mentioned the fact that it with the same amount of money put into a Turbo KA vs LSx swap there is one major difference that tips the weigh of the scale in favor of the LSx even more.

Two words.

Smog legal.

Well to an extent...

It would smog clean, that's for sure...but the whole visual aspect, and tampering with emissions setup would be an odd battle right?

I've got no clue how it would work in CA, but I know in PA the car would fail visual and OBD check, as no s chassis ever came with a ls1 in them...

[GSXRJJordan]

^^ cody, I wish I could rep every one of your posts. You're right on the money.

And LS6 > LS2 >LS1 :) ... fuck the LS7... rich bastards and their $90k c6s... I'm not bitter though.

In CA if the motor is newer than the motor you pulled out, and is legal in whatever car it comes in, it'll be a legal motor swap. For the record, LS1 swaps are LEGAL in CA. Just have to take the car to the ref and show VINs/etc, and have it pass the sniffer.

[ch1873857]

what the hell? i never called anyone any names? stop kissing ass spiderman, give me more rep..who cares?

So you'd rather take a 20year old boat anchor engine, with hardly any support, because it weighs 10-20 lbs less? I'd rather run around the block 2 times, take a dump, and save that weight that way.

....I'm not getting into a CA vs anythign debate, as it would be a huge waste of this forums time.


who cares about support? get creative. just because it says it made for something else doesnt mean it wont work. theres plenty of support. it doesnt necessarily have to say made for the CA. shit i could make half the parts i'll ever need, but i can chose my own motor, and do what i want.besides i can get any stock part from my local dealer doesnt matter how old it is. dont say shit about an engine and not expect to start a debate.

and whats this about i want to do it just because. to be different? i enjoy opening up a thread and seeing something that has never be done before. you can tell someone was thinking a little.

and yes that is why i would chose the vh over the ls1. its nissan, i have at least 10k worth of factory nissan parts, gaskets, random shit to sort through for whatever i need. it would be cheaper. cheaper over all. not just initially. at least for me and the way i do things. simplify it, fabricate everything i can, find the best deals. its worked for years for me. and thats the way i choose to do things.

appearently you dont accept that. you seem to think there is something wrong with me thinking like that. you dont even know me and have gotten the wrong idea of me.

You've not really proved anything substantial to me yet.


i was more or less talking about the engine weight thing. you made a comment about enlighting you.

im not going to go post a bunch of weights because they arent exactly the same but the all show the about the same pattern. CA is lightest of the engines mentioned in this thread and not by just 20lbs. is also about position. sits way back in the bay. if i got creative i could move it back at least another 3 inches before it hit the fire wall. substantial enough for me. but thats right we arent getting into that

Smog legal.

2 words i dont have to worry about. sorry california.

[What is your point? YOu mentioned the Vh45, said it was equal to the LS1. It's not.


you have to remember id only use it for a DD, a good reliable V8. i dont necessarily need something thats good for 900hp or whatever. especially at the price it is. an ls1 is expensive. our DD vh45 total cash spent is looking under 1k and thats for freshened up, rebuilt engine, transmission, and all of the engine management. ok, so im a hack, is that not allowed on zilvia? is it ok to save money?

and for them being equal power wise? eh..its hard to tell. as you say an ls1 is a 300/300 motor ive seen as low as 270/270 and as high as 320/320 for supposedly stock swaps. as for the vh. its about a 275/275 motor. and heres a dyno i will throw in
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v344/gsracer/VH%20POWER/IMG_5417.jpg

this was done with 103* air temps, VTC turned off, and a mild tune. so i mean in my eyes they are equal powerwise..so thats why i said that. but that wasnt my point. i was merely trying to tell you that, the vh is just a personal preference of mine and you should accept that. not tell me im wrong and convince me otherwise.

[slos14]

my buddys ls14 is a bad bitch an it still stock for the most part for now im sorry but you cant beat a lsx motor .

http://i166.photobucket.com/albums/u101/hooddub_bucket/00013.jpg

[LB.Motoring]

I love the weight battle between motors,

Who cares?

We all know your a fatass, and your gf weighs more than a tanker,


Get a prius to daily, and build a whatever v8 track car.

[ch1873857]

^thats crazy..ive seen it before. i love the lsx motors.

i have a question though. you ls1 freaks might be able to answer.

say you need to go get your car smogged or what ever you need to do. say the say, 1996 240sx and run the test. are they going to test it to the emissions standards of the KA or just a standard benchmark. of course an ls1 would pass in a camaro or something but would it matter on make and model? im from a state that just has yearly inspections and thats it so i dont know. i was always curious though. i know the one guy said it was smog legal but is a 240sx with an ls1 smog legal?

[blknismo180]

so if im gettin this right... an LS1 is the best V8 swap because it is easy,cheap, and it is well established as a swap.....and the Vk is also good... but since there is so much work that needs to be done it makes it not so good....?

[trust187]

did you happen to read the parts about "The Titan CORR Pro-2 entry features a 715-horsepower, 5.6-liter V8 stock block engine with 510 lb-ft of torque at 6,000 rpm, redlining at 8,200 rpm. Unlike many race engines, the block, cylinder heads, cam covers, water pump, main bearings, rod bearings, and ignition coils are all stock Titan components. The engine was prepared by Menards Engine Development. " Did you notice it mentions all those parts are stock ? After hearing all you have to say about LS1's what do you know about VK56's ?? And you said LS1 that can put out 700 hp just with a cam?

[SexPanda]

did you happen to read the parts about "The Titan CORR Pro-2 entry features a 715-horsepower, 5.6-liter V8 stock block engine with 510 lb-ft of torque at 6,000 rpm, redlining at 8,200 rpm. Unlike many race engines, the block, cylinder heads, cam covers, water pump, main bearings, rod bearings, and ignition coils are all stock Titan components. The engine was prepared by Menards Engine Development. " Did you notice it mentions all those parts are stock ? After hearing all you have to say about LS1's what do you know about VK56's ?? And you said LS1 that can put out 700 hp just with a cam?

Wow. Times like this I wish I was filthy rich...

And if anyone can prove that an LS1 can get to 700hp with nothing but a cam, please do so. That sounds fishier than someone saying they can prove Paris Hilton is a virgin.

[GSXRJJordan]

^^^ The LSx community sees mods a little different than we do - to them, just having "a cam" means you have stock heads and stock internals. What that still allows for is valves/springs/pushrods/porting/headers/exhaust/tuning.

I've personally seen an automatic, convertible Firebird (think 3800lbs with driver) lift the front wheels coming off the line (he was running MT 10" slicks on the back) and turn a high 10sec 1/4 - with "just a cam". He estimated 600whp - and about $2000 in aftermarket mods. That's called bang for your buck kids.

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

I believe the engine wouldnt fit, ive read about this. Its DOHC, as apposed to cam in block or anything. Its too wide, if i remember right.

And why do that? You can pick up a used chevy 350 for half the cost.

You are right about half the cost but if ur gonna swap a v8 into a 240 might aswell keep it in tha family.

[GSXRJJordan]

^^^ people keep saying "keep it in the family" like the fact that the VH's are Nissans makes them any easier to swap ~ the VH swap is harder than the LSx swap, morons.

[rb25_s13*CHUKI]

^^^ people keep saying "keep it in the family" like the fact that the VH's are Nissans makes them any easier to swap ~ the VH swap is harder than the LSx swap, morons.

no one said anything about it being easier.by me saying keep it in the family i mean dont go and ruin your 240 by swaping a american v8.No offense to u ls guys out there i just feel that swapping american 2 japanese isn't cool.

[mmdb]

i just feel that swaping american 2 japanese isn't cool.\

This comment is disturbing.

[codyace]

did you happen to read the parts about "The Titan CORR Pro-2 entry features a 715-horsepower, 5.6-liter V8 stock block engine with 510 lb-ft of torque at 6,000 rpm, redlining at 8,200 rpm. Unlike many race engines, the block, cylinder heads, cam covers, water pump, main bearings, rod bearings, and ignition coils are all stock Titan components. The engine was prepared by Menards Engine Development. " Did you notice it mentions all those parts are stock ? After hearing all you have to say about LS1's what do you know about VK56's ?? And you said LS1 that can put out 700 hp just with a cam?

But they're not telling you about their crazy ass cams, head parts, pistons, tune, crank, tune, intake, exhaust, etc etc.

You find any other ones than the Factory backed RACE engine, and I'll believe you more. Not hating, just wanting to see.

^^^ The LSx community sees mods a little different than we do - to them, just having "a cam" means you have stock heads and stock internals. What that still allows for is valves/springs/pushrods/porting/headers/exhaust/tuning.

Truth....only because putting a cam in an LS1 has got to be the easiest cam job in the world. Spin up, lock the lifters. Insert Cam. Spin again, have fun :D

I've personally seen an automatic, convertible Firebird (think 3800lbs with driver) lift the front wheels coming off the line (he was running MT 10" slicks on the back) and turn a high 10sec 1/4 - with "just a cam". He estimated 600whp - and about $2000 in aftermarket mods. That's called bang for your buck kids.

That's the best part about them...but brand loyal and kids that don't know won't ever think about that...

One of my good friend's little brother has a STOCK engine (with some spray), and a somewhat built 4L60e tranny (not very good) that doesn't shift into 2nd without lifting the throttle...dynoed 440 whp (yea I know weak)


It runs 10.7's ALL DAY LONG. (more info: www.sloppymechanics.com)

^^^ people keep saying "keep it in the family" like the fact that the VH's are Nissans makes them any easier to swap ~ the VH swap is harder than the LSx swap, morons.

Granted I've never swapped either, but that's the impression I've been under this whole time. I can't see how it would be harder in anyway at all!

no one said anything about it being easier.by me saying keep it in the family i mean dont go and ruin your 240 by swaping a american v8.No offense to u ls guys out there i just feel that swaping american 2 japanese isn't cool.

Again, I used to be that way. Then I realized that if you want the ultimate 'total package' car, that you'll need to look elsewhere for parts. I'm willing to go out on a limb and say that there isn't a consumer based (non race engine)Nissan engine out there that will perform as well as as the LSx family. Heck, even the GM race program is sick...look at the KATECH Alms cars..

If you're so car loyal, why not hate on any swaps in USDM cars...it's not what they came with!


who cares about support? get creative. just because it says it made for something else doesnt mean it wont work.

Why get creative for something that won't be nearly as fun as a cheaper and easier setup? Getting creative means dropping in a 300 inline 6 ford, or a BMW engine, or A Rotary. NOT a CA18.

theres plenty of support. it doesnt necessarily have to say made for the CA. shit i could make half the parts i'll ever need, but i can chose my own motor, and do what i want.

I know this. I'm in a similar situation. I make good power on a proven setup, much cheaper, and am much happier.

besides i can get any stock part from my local dealer doesnt matter how old it is. dont say shit about an engine and not expect to start a debate.

You can get CA18 parts at a local Maryland dealer? I know I can't get tham at my local dealer!

and whats this about i want to do it just because. to be different? i enjoy opening up a thread and seeing something that has never be done before. you can tell someone was thinking a little.

So can I when I see an LS1 car. I think "Wow, he must want a really strong car" or "Wow, that car is going to be an animal" or similar.

Im' younger than you are, but can admit that I'm tired of seeing 'different' stuff JUST BECAUSE. I've learned through life experiences to do things because they work.

Want proof?

http://www.e-rak.com/cody/albums/album24/P1010015.sized.jpg

http://www.e-rak.com/cody/albums/album07/P1010019.sized.jpg

Turbo Altima...I did this back in highschool. Different? You bet cha! Cheaper than selling the car, buying a Sentra SE-R, and turbocharging that to make more reliable power? NOT AT ALL.

and yes that is why i would chose the vh over the ls1. its nissan, i have at least 10k worth of factory nissan parts, gaskets, random shit to sort through for whatever i need.

My dad owns a pretty prominent local repair shop. I've got access to whatever parts I need through our accounts, and jobber pricing. I'd still not pick an engine because it can be done cheaper.

it would be cheaper. cheaper over all. not just initially. at least for me and the way i do things. simplify it, fabricate everything i can, find the best deals. its worked for years for me. and thats the way i choose to do things.

I'm glad you're a DIY man, as I'm exactly the same way (except when it comes to transmissions...I just get them fixed by professionals). However to me, I factor in all of that time 'mocking up' and 'designing' into my total cost. To me, I'd rather buy a 100 dollar part, than spend 6 hours of my life trying to duplicate it to not spend anymoney. Lazy? Eyh, maybe a part of it...


im not going to go post a bunch of weights because they arent exactly the same but the all show the about the same pattern. CA is lightest of the engines mentioned in this thread and not by just 20lbs. is also about position. sits way back in the bay. if i got creative i could move it back at least another 3 inches before it hit the fire wall. substantial enough for me. but thats right we arent getting into that

I'm fairly versed in how engine placement can change things, and I don't see 2 to 3 inches making any sort of noticable improvement in the car, except in the impossble to work on department.



you have to remember id only use it for a DD, a good reliable V8. i dont necessarily need something thats good for 900hp or whatever. especially at the price it is. an ls1 is expensive. our DD vh45 total cash spent is looking under 1k and thats for freshened up, rebuilt engine, transmission, and all of the engine management. ok, so im a hack, is that not allowed on zilvia? is it ok to save money?

Post a parts and price list to the public then?

and for them being equal power wise? eh..its hard to tell. as you say an ls1 is a 300/300 motor ive seen as low as 270/270 and as high as 320/320 for supposedly stock swaps. as for the vh. its about a 275/275 motor. and heres a dyno i will throw in
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v344/gsracer/VH%20POWER/IMG_5417.jpg

Being that hundreds, if not thousands more LSx's have been dynoed, I'm taking the average. There was a guy the other week on the one forum with 190,000 miles stock Formula that made 295,292 Impressive for a nearly 200,000 engine.


[QUOTE=ch1873857;1499791]personal preference of mine and you should accept that. not tell me im wrong and convince me otherwise.

You can like whatever you want, but for this boards sake (and the technical aspect of the forum), I think we'd all like you to prove us on how a vh is better.

[ch1873857]

wow. dude im done. you just told me how we are different. that means nothing to me. the ca18 swap is not creative but getting it to reach my goals with limited support? you gotta get creative. you misunderstood me.

and yes the CA18 is in an usdm motor also, just in non turbo form. you can get parts at your local dealer, you just say you cant.

also the 2 or 3 inches, was 2 or 3 inches more.. you made it sound like i said 2 oe 3 inches more than other engines.

oh well im done arguing. i told you what i thought and how i felt and you told me what you thought. yay...

[steve shadows]

just buy a car taht was built around the V8 by a team of engineers

There is absolutley nothing wrong with that, in fact Ill probably own something like a new GTO for funs sake in the future.

Will I keep my s13? probably for a while, its my preferrence, the way the car handles and balances with the SR is the way

I prefer the s13 to drive. Ive driven RB cars around tracks and SR, and prefer the SR hands down in the S-chasis. V8? No not really.

I dont understand the logic though.

Drive a muscle car.

Even if you do a V8 your not going to be different.

Nothing , NOTHING is different anymore.

[daryl337]

screw it all and get a merlin drag motor! :P 1700 HP big block. XD

[nuclear280Z]

I went out of the relm of nissan, but even so mine fit pretty well. I got a JTR conversion kit, and it was really pretty painless, unlike the scarab setups back in the day this kit set the motor back to about an inch away from the firewall, and right now if I moved my battery to the back I'ld have a 50/50 weight ratio. By the way how heavy is a Titan motor? the TPI was only a 100lbs heavier, which didn't screw with the handling of the car too much, but that is somthing to think about, right now it's stock motor, I really want an LS1, but probably keep this setup for a while...and already have a twin turbo setup in the works. Best of luck!
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w116/Slow280z/100_1900.jpg

[drift freaq]

I went out of the relm of nissan, but even so mine fit pretty well. I got a JTR conversion kit, and it was really pretty painless, unlike the scarab setups back in the day this kit set the motor back to about an inch away from the firewall, and right now if I moved my battery to the back I'ld have a 50/50 weight ratio. By the way how heavy is a Titan motor? the TPI was only a 100lbs heavier, which didn't screw with the handling of the car too much, but that is somthing to think about, right now it's stock motor, I really want an LS1, but probably keep this setup for a while...and already have a twin turbo setup in the works. Best of luck!
http://i174.photobucket.com/albums/w116/Slow280z/100_1900.jpg

They are talking about V8 swaps in 240sx's i.e. S13 and S14 not V8 swaps in 240,260 and 280Z's. Fact is the the V8 swap into the S30 Z chassis is a very simple swap.

The LS1 is a bad ass engine if you can do a smog legal swap of one into the S chassis without super crazy mods i.e. crossmember modification, firewall modification and you can keep your costs in the 5k range for engine and install its well worth it . If its going to cost you over 10k,(without chassis costs) at this time it becomes a cost ineffective swap in my opinion.

What most of those whole discussion has avoided or missed in part is the cost effectiveness.
At what point do you look at the swap add up the costs and pretty much say i am losing my ass on this. Ya , I know all you purists are going to come out of the woodwork saying cost is not an issue! Its originality or dopeness, blah blah blah. Fact is there is a point of diminishing returns. I look at the swap of anything into our cars from the factor of how much it would cost to do the actual swap. I.E. purchase of engine and or install kit and or fab or install itself.
Now, if you can do a LS1 install smog legal and the costs of what I stated above in the 5-6k range and not have to make mad ass chassis mods to make it work, you have the ideal swap.
If you do not have to worry about smog you should not even be having to think about a LS1 swap. Stick a S14-s15SR in or a RB in and call it day.
LS1 swaps and VQ swaps are for people who are concerned about smog legality and having legal HP, in my opinion.
To the question of a LS1 being smog legal in a S chassis it can be as long as you swap in all OBDII stuff that comes with the engine and ref it. The car will then be a OBDII legal test.

[nuclear280Z]

ah, makes more sence, all I saw was 240, I forgot I was on the SX site:loco: sorry. In that case, what would that do to the handling of the car?

[drift freaq]

ah, makes more sence, all I saw was 240, I forgot I was on the SX site:loco: sorry. In that case, what would that do to the handling of the car?

Well if its a LS1 it should not effect handling much if at all. The LS1 is a light engine. The majority of the added weight would be in the transmission and considering the fact that its sitting close to midship, should not have consequences.

[nuclear280Z]

No I mean the Titan in the SX

[yaba94070]

that things friken huge...
lol
my dad has a titan and its bad ass, sounds really clean 2, that would be a sick ass swap in a 240

[gsracer]

The VH45DE in this car has 227,000 miles, just thought that was impressive in of itself, lol


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v344/gsracer/VH%20POWER/IMG_5417.jpg[/IMG
[IMG]http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v344/gsracer/VH%20POWER/IMG_5417.jpg

[slos14]

was ther not a man named shelby that put a big v8 in too a little car an made a icon car for all of us hot rod guys ?
who cares what your weapon of choice is as long as its fast an gets the job done .

[Iceman00]

The LSx series motor, dessed, plus transmission is around (over) 600lbs. Its not Lighter than the stock Drivetrain, or An SR20 swap, and its also very exspensive.

[Iceman00]

http://www.e-rak.com/cody/albums/album24/P1010015.sized.jpg

http://www.e-rak.com/cody/albums/album07/P1010019.sized.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v344/gsracer/VH%20POWER/IMG_5417.jpg

.

I was about to call you a bullshit Lair when I saw this post, and Realized it was you Ace.

Sorry buddy, but you are wrong on this one. The KA SR and VQ blocks are all around the same weight at 330lbs. The LSX series motors Will weigh in at 450lbs or more. Combine that with the Weight of the transmission (If its stock, at 50lbs for the flywheel. No Joke.) And You have a combo that is over 600lbs Easy.

The Z33 6speed, And KA24DE 5speed is around 100lbs, making the total VQ package Still under 450lbs that the LS series block itself weighs.

The LSx is an overrated motor. Quit being fanboys about a Shitty cam in block low revving crapbox.

[SexPanda]

I was about to call you a bullshit Lair when I saw this post, and Realized it was you Ace.

Sorry buddy, but you are wrong on this one. The KA SR and VQ blocks are all around the same weight at 330lbs. The LSX series motors Will weigh in at 450lbs or more. Combine that with the Weight of the transmission (If its stock, at 50lbs for the flywheel. No Joke.) And You have a combo that is over 600lbs Easy.

The Z33 6speed, And KA24DE 5speed is around 100lbs, making the total VQ package Still under 450lbs that the LS series block itself weighs.

The LSx is an overrated motor. Quit being fanboys about a Shitty cam in block low revving crapbox.

Shitty cam in block low revving engine? Wow those are some harsh words. I'd say you've tried to race a few and are a little sore about the outcome...
The LS engines, and v8s in general, dont need to rev high, because their torque and hp is located much lower on its powerband than a ka sr or vq. Revving high on an engine like that just means it would be slower. Besides, high revving is for hondas.

[ch1873857]

the VH is a high revving engine. well to me 7500rpm is high. then you have problems with valve float. h22 springs will work and reduced valve float. the vh is EXTREMELY reinforced. its the reason the use it in freakin f1 cars. its the grand daddy of all nissan race motors. just thought youd may like to know that.

[Iceman00]

Just incase anyone wants to look dumb, I'll save you the trouble.

http://www.engineswaptech.com/forums/thread/1186.aspx
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2930

[Iceman00]

Shitty cam in block low revving engine? Wow those are some harsh words. I'd say you've tried to race a few and are a little sore about the outcome...
The LS engines, and v8s in general, dont need to rev high, because their torque and hp is located much lower on its powerband than a ka sr or vq. Revving high on an engine like that just means it would be slower. Besides, high revving is for hondas.

Yes, only Honda's Redline over 7000rpm. You are an idiot, and have added nothing meaningful to this thread. And yes, I'm very aware that you negitively rep me, proving your ignorance.

[steve shadows]

was ther not a man named shelby that put a big v8 in too a little car an made a icon car for all of us hot rod guys ?
who cares what your weapon of choice is as long as its fast an gets the job done .

sure the car was built around the fucking engine like ive been saying.

they eventually had teams of engineers working on the design flaws.

The kit cars are just scale replicas of the same engineering defaults.

[Daniel.]

what the hell? i never called anyone any names? stop kissing ass spiderman, give me more rep..who cares?


So wait, where are your facts again? :ugh: Don't get mad because you don't know how to have a meaningful discussion without getting sand in your vagina.

[BigVinnie]

its been done so yes it fits.

I think the one i saw was in a s13.

I'm going to clarify a little bit. The VK hasn't been done in the s13 chassis, and I know people are doing projects for it in the s14 chassis.
Here is a VK swap in a S14 chassis.
http://ffdet.com/members/rich/S14/V8swap.htm<<<Knives already posted on page 1.
You probably saw an older q45 engine VH41 or VH45 engine in a s13. The VH 45 engines barely fit into an s13. A 5.6litre VK engine has 98mm bore and a 92mm stroke. The old VH engines which barely fit into the s13 chassis had a 92mm bore and a 88mm stroke. That means that deck height on the the VK engine is also raised for it's larger stroke. This means that the hood clearance won't work well with the little s13 chassis. Now I've also been told that a VK is also taller than an LS1 and an LS1 has very similar stroke to the VK, LS-1 BORE and STROKE; 99mm bore and 92mm stroke.
The Formula Drift drop top 350 (Chris Foresburg) also uses the VK56 swap and it's pretty bad ass against ford mustangs and chevy corvette, I wouldn't mind seeing a 1/4mile time.
http://www.superstreetonline.com/featuredvehicles/130_0612_2006_nissan_350z_roadster/formula_d.html

[mmdb]

The LSx is an overrated motor. Quit being fanboys about a Shitty cam in block low revving crapbox.

Have you ever driven car with an LSx motor? Do you know how much HP they can put out with a few bolt ons? Can you compare dyno sheets v8 vs SR vs KA and understand the differences? Do you know what a t56 transmission mated with a r200 with a 4.08 gear ratio does to acceleration? Do you know that suspension tuning can alleviate handling issues? If any of your answers are no then you better do some research.

[Iceman00]

Have you ever driven car with an LSx motor? Do you know how much HP they can put out with a few bolt ons? Can you compare dyno sheets v8 vs SR vs KA and understand the differences? Do you know what a t56 transmission mated with a r200 with a 4.08 gear ratio does to acceleration? Do you know that suspension tuning can alleviate handling issues? If any of your answers are no then you better do some research.

Who cares. I never asked what it could do with bolt ons, I never asked how much power it made. I'm very well aware how much power you can Make for a LS1, and I'm also aware that at 200lbs heavier than a VQ swap, countless dollars more expensive, and the LS1 motor is overrated by fan boys.

In truth, and as anyone can tell you, no matter how much tuning you do, you can't tune the feel of 200lb of mass in your front end out. Don't kid yourself you idiot.

[mmdb]

Who cares. I never asked what it could do with bolt ons, I never asked how much power it made. I'm very well aware how much power you can Make for a LS1, and I'm also aware that at 200lbs heavier than a VQ swap, countless dollars more expensive, and the LS1 motor is overrated by fan boys.

In truth, and as anyone can tell you, no matter how much tuning you do, you can't tune the feel of 200lb of mass in your front end out. Don't kid yourself you idiot.

JDM for life? You noob.

[SexPanda]

Who cares. I never asked what it could do with bolt ons, I never asked how much power it made. I'm very well aware how much power you can Make for a LS1, and I'm also aware that at 200lbs heavier than a VQ swap, countless dollars more expensive, and the LS1 motor is overrated by fan boys.

In truth, and as anyone can tell you, no matter how much tuning you do, you can't tune the feel of 200lb of mass in your front end out. Don't kid yourself you idiot.

I gotta ask you. Whos the fan-boy here. I didnt really know the LS engines had fanboys who could over-rate it. I just thought people liked them because of the ease of upgrading and reasonable price. And i dont see how the extra weight, which I think is minimal, and mostly due to the transmission which is towards the middle of the car, can be that much of a problem if there are LS1 powered 240s that can do this:
http://img297.imageshack.us/img297/6954/mikels137fz.jpg
And for anyone who got offended by my "high revving is for hondas" thing... I cant appologize. So sorry for not appologizing.

[ch1873857]

thats why wieght is a silly issue.. granted its heavier than the KA, you wont notice a difference.

[codyace]

was ther not a man named shelby that put a big v8 in too a little car an made a icon car for all of us hot rod guys ?
who cares what your weapon of choice is as long as its fast an gets the job done .

Shelby, Lister, Earl, Iacocca...all put big brawny v8's in little cars and created the roots of todays hot rods.

The LSx series motor, dessed, plus transmission is around (over) 600lbs. Its not Lighter than the stock Drivetrain, or An SR20 swap, and its also very exspensive.

You can get a LS1+T56 used for as much as you can get an sr20 swap from some higher end shops.

http://www.smokemup.com/tech/ls1.php


So maybe I was wrong about the LSx being lighter...but christ you have a 5.7 litre V8 weighing what, 30 lbs more than a 2.4 or 2.0 four cylinder? Please. Torque at idle> 30 lbs.

PS: Call up GM and ask what their crate lS1 comes with...yep everything, to include altenator, PS, and etc hanging off of it. 390 for a full dresser all aluminum v8. I would assume it weighs 460ish with a 4l60e and 500 with T56.

around the same weight at 330lbs. The LSX series motors Will weigh in at 450lbs or more.

An sr20/vq probably weigh that as a long block alone, with nothing in it. 450 lbs is what an LSx would weigh with an automatic hanging off the back of it.

the flywheel. No Joke.) And You have a combo that is over 600lbs Easy.

An all Iron Small Block Chevy or Ford weigh in a 450 lbs. Big blocks over 550...

The LSx is an overrated motor. Quit being fanboys about a Shitty cam in block low revving crapbox.

Three questions:
1. Ever been in one stock?
2. Ever been in one with a cam swap (and bolt ons?)
3. You realize that with rod bolts they can spin to 8000 rpm all day long.


Sorry, fanboy is an SR20 engine. A car enthusiast would take a v8 with a powerband anyday over strung out 2.0 turbo engine.

Shitty cam in block low revving engine? Wow those are some harsh words. I'd say you've tried to race a few and are a little sore about the outcome...

A 400whp LSx s13 or s14 would ass rape most 500 hp ones...

the VH is a high revving engine. well to me 7500rpm is high.

It's not that high anymore...

freakin f1 cars. its the grand daddy of all nissan race motors. just thought youd may like to know that.

I thought that was the VK45 that they used as a 'base' for the indy leauge engines....and lets be serious, ther eisn't a damn thing on that IRL engine that we'll ever have on a junkyard 4.5


Have you ever driven car with an LSx motor? Do you know how much HP they can put out with a few bolt ons? Can you compare dyno sheets v8 vs SR vs KA and understand the differences? Do you know what a t56 transmission mated with a r200 with a 4.08 gear ratio does to acceleration? Do you know that suspension tuning can alleviate handling issues? If any of your answers are no then you better do some research.

Those who've not ever been in beastly v8's will always hate on them...I learned a long long long time ago to appreciated overall package cars, and not be loyal to ignornace.

200lbs heavier than a VQ swap, countless dollars more expensive, and the LS1 motor is overrated by fan boys.

It's not 200 lbs more. Ya know what, I have a VQ30 in a maxima with an automatic at the shop...maybe I'll weigh it, and then weigh my buddies ls2 and see what the differenece really is.

In truth, and as anyone can tell you, no matter how much tuning you do, you can't tune the feel of 200lb of mass in your front end out. Don't kid yourself you idiot.

I'd love some front end weight to keep my car from pushing on track...

PS: 200 lbs where?

I have no clue who you are, but seriously bud, you need to do a tad more research into the LSx engine before making claims without any support.

Again, not to toot my own horn, but Im' confident my s14 is one of the most complete cars on this forum in terms of all over performance...and I'd gladly take a LS1 anyday of the week over what I have. I'd not know what to do with 40 more hp and 70 more ft lbs all over!

thats why wieght is a silly issue.. granted its heavier than the KA, you wont notice a difference.

It's like when kids delete AC or PS from a turbo car...really who cares? lol. That turbo won't notice any difference at all.

[ch1873857]

Sorry, fanboy is an SR20 engine

finally, someone says it..ive already gotten enough neg rep for one thread so i kept my mouth shut haha..nice one ace.

and ace, the vk45 and the vh just had different heads, vk being better but the vhr35? cant remember the name was based off the platform that the vk and the vh shared. shit its hard to explain, time for more research..got me thinking.

this thread makes me want to hunt down a cheap neglected ls1 and have fun with it. ive got a healthy coupe shell sitting around...

haha looks similar enough for me...
http://www.datsun510.com/photopost/data/3008/8124-2473_img.jpg

should shed some light also..although there were vk's in q's also but like i said..
http://pws.prserv.net/PIONEER/q45.jpg

The VRH35Z is a 3.5 liter racing variant of the VH V8 engine. The R comes from the fact that the block is made from magnesium and is custom made for racing. The VRH35Z was originally used in Nissan Group C race cars. Later on, the engine was revived with modifications as the VRH35L, now with an aluminum block, for the R390GT1 GT1 supercar.

The VRH35Z produces 800 ps @7600 rpm and weighs 408 lbs (185 Kg).

The VRH35L produces 650 ps @6800 rpm and weighs 375 lbs 170 Kg.



so basically is a destroked magnesium VH45 engine..

[usdm180sx]

Yes, only Honda's Redline over 7000rpm. You are an idiot, and have added nothing meaningful to this thread. And yes, I'm very aware that you negitively rep me, proving your ignorance.

S13 sr20det's redline at 7500 so NO not only hondas redline that high.

[gigimow]

Who cares. I never asked what it could do with bolt ons, I never asked how much power it made. I'm very well aware how much power you can Make for a LS1, and I'm also aware that at 200lbs heavier than a VQ swap, countless dollars more expensive, and the LS1 motor is overrated by fan boys.

How much do you think a VQ swap would cost? They are not cheap, just look at vqswap.com and you would realize that the basic setup is over $3000 not counting the engine. I don't know where you got your info from but sounds to me you need to research more and talk less.

[johngriff]

This thread makes me question where all the hate on the internet comes from.

I think it sounds cool as hell. I'd do it. I'd build it.

[Iceman00]

Just incase anyone wants to look dumb, I'll save you the trouble.

http://www.engineswaptech.com/forums/thread/1186.aspx
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=2930
Ace I'm Iceman00 from Nissan Forums.

I usually agree with you, but this time your wrong. Above are the said wieghts for those motors.

Again, the LSX swap is for rabid fanboys who think its the cool thing to do, just like drifting. I think its a Shit motor, and a Shit swap, but thats just me.

And how much do you think it will run you for a VQ swap compared to an lSx Swap?

VQ motors starting on ebay at $255. Yes, $255.
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/2005-Nissan-350Z-Complete-ENGINE-Motor-3-5-Liter-VQ35DE_W0QQitemZ300142142878QQihZ020QQcategoryZ336 15QQssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

Transmision: $300 yes, $300
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/03-04-05-NISSAN-350Z-6SP-TRANSMISSION-SAVE-HUGE-WH_W0QQitemZ120152873100QQihZ002QQcategoryZ33733QQ ssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

And the hardware for the swap $900
http://cgi.ebay.com/ebaymotors/VQ35DE-Engine-swap-kit-for-the-240SX-S13-S14_W0QQitemZ120152378982QQihZ002QQcategoryZ33615Q QssPageNameZWDVWQQrdZ1QQcmdZViewItem

LS1 and trans: Over $2500

And LSx Hardware: Over $1700
http://www.hinsonsupercars.com/partsMainS14MountingEquipment.htm

VQ and Stock engines > LSx swaps.

[Iceman00]

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=105615&page=5

These guys were paying over 4500 for the motor and trans alone, and another 7K in install and parts. This swap is a pipe dream.

[Iceman00]

S13 sr20det's redline at 7500 so NO not only hondas redline that high.
Sarcasm. I got Neg Rep. and it said something to the effect of "7000rpm redlines are for Hondas"

[ch1873857]

oh god..here we go again.

[Iceman00]

oh god..here we go again.
If you have nothing to add, go bitch some place else. I'm trying to make this informative.

[ch1873857]

you are informing everyone that you would chose the VQ swap over LS1 because its cheaper? how is that informative? you showed a bunch of ebay auctions. now thats solid information for ya.

[gigimow]

The OP asked about a Titian V8 into a 240sx and I think it's been answer on page 1. I don't know why you are trying to justify a VQ35 swap over a LSx. Whatever swap you want/need, it's going to take money. I give prop to all the people who wants to be different. I've was fortunate enough to ride in a SR and LS1 240sx. Both owner are very happy with their choice of engine.

As far as you choice of ebay auctions, they don't tell half the story. You show an auction that not ended. We all know that the majority of the bidding is near the end, so your price of $255 is not realistic. I could have easily show you a LS1 engine for under $255 with 5 days till ending. That's not realistic either.

If VQ swap is your thing, more power to you. I wouldn't mind having either engine to replace my SOHC KA. Either way, good luck. :)

[Kn1ves]

Again, the LSX swap is for rabid fanboys who think its the cool thing to do, just like drifting. I think its a Shit motor, and a Shit swap, but thats just me.

(eBay links)

VQ and Stock engines > LSx swaps.


Wow how bout we keep opinions to a minimum and keep facts to a maximum.

Question 1)
Why is LSx a fanboy engine?

Question 2)
If LSx is a fanboy engine, why are there so many fans of said engine?

Question 3)
If one suggests an engine (VQ) over another engine (LSx), doesn't that person become a fan of the suggested engine?

Conclusion:
So if you are a fan of the VQ, and you are arguing over a fan of the LSx, you will get nowhere since all you have is opinions.

Here just for good measure:
VQ swaps are for fanboys (like Iceman00) who thinks its cool to drag race.
I think its a Shit motor and a Shit swap, but thats just me.

LSx and stock engines > VQ swaps.

What I just said, doesn't fucking matter. Just like eBay links.
(If you don't understand that then let me explain, eBay is where you sell stuff for how much you think [your opinion] your item will sell for, not the factual price of said item. Opinions aren't worth shit.)

[usdm180sx]

Sarcasm. I got Neg Rep. and it said something to the effect of "7000rpm redlines are for Hondas"

Sarcasm? You should choose your words more carefully then. As far as the neg rep, honestly, I forgot. I probably did leave some for you because of your attitude. So far, the only things that you have demonstrated about yourself in this thread are:

1. You are extremely opinionated
2. You think drifting is gay
3. You like to call people on here faggots because they don't agree with your opinion.

Based on your rep, NO ONE cares what you think so you might as well stop wasting time and effort trying to impose your opinion on the other members of this forum. Maybe you should try another forum?

[yokotas13]

v8 > anything

[codyace]

How much do you think a VQ swap would cost? They are not cheap, just look at vqswap.com and you would realize that the basic setup is over $3000 not counting the engine. I don't know where you got your info from but sounds to me you need to research more and talk less.

LOL. Truth. I always love how people look at the initial cost of things, and base their entire opinion on that. In the end, any swap is going to be expensive, so I'd rather have the best bang for buck. To me, a VQ is a big waste of time for lack of power. That LS1 stock would walk circles around a bolt on vq....


This thread makes me question where all the hate on the internet comes from.

He doesn't act that way on Altima forums....which is odd why he does that here.

I think it sounds cool as hell. I'd do it. I'd build it.

Any v8 in a s chassis would rock hard...vh/vk/ls1/Windsor based...anything


I usually agree with you, but this time your wrong. Above are the said wieghts for those motors.

I gave you out of box weight from GM for the LSx engine. The weight they gave you isn't correct. I'll believe GM and the shipping company before a random guy with a scale. You also realize how easy it is to read wrong and or manipulate scales right?

Again, the LSX swap is for rabid fanboys who think its the cool thing to do, just like drifting. I think its a Shit motor, and a Shit swap, but thats just me.

You're entitled to your opinion, but it's just that...nothign factual at all behind why you think that way, and certainly nothing of value to sway others into believing that way. Weight differences are negotiable...even if the LS1 did weight 200 more (even though it doesn't), it's still an excellent swap candidate!

And how much do you think it will run you for a VQ swap compared to an lSx Swap?

The same.

PS: Why would anyone EVER goto ebay looking for real world prices.


VQ and Stock engines > LSx swaps.

That's your opinion...but technically, performance and application wise it's wrong.

http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=105615&page=5

These guys were paying over 4500 for the motor and trans alone, and another 7K in install and parts. This swap is a pipe dream.

That doesn't mean they all cost that much. Some guys can swap in SR20's for half the price of others, and make the same power.

If you have nothing to add, go bitch some place else. I'm trying to make this informative.

You've added nothign informative aside from engine weights that are certainly (and easily) debateable.

you are informing everyone that you would chose the VQ swap over LS1 because its cheaper? how is that informative? you showed a bunch of ebay auctions. now thats solid information for ya.

Ebay ...the performance headquarters of those who can't afford real projects since 2001. (Sarcasm, but Im' sure those who understand get my point)

v8 > anything

Certainly!

[drift freaq]

Well look where this has all gone. I am going to say this, I am not going to quote anyone to directly target their statements.

First off the LS1 is indeed a very awesome engine. Is the install cheap in our cars? Yes if you do it back yard ghetto style. If done the right way? Its expensive, LS1 car owners know this fact.

Second off, Whoever thinks the VQ series of engines does not have potential or is worthless expensive swap has really not done their research or seen a VQ swapped car in action.

Fact : a 300hp stock VQ engine can be had with all needed components for the swap for,3k! How do I know this? I own one, a 2005 Rev Up engine complete with the goodies and modules!

Fact: the VQ35HR aka the 2007 engine was redesigned with boost in mind. The block was reinforced the stroke was shortened for higher revs and it got a symetrical intake and exhaust.(This is the engine I really want hehehhe)
Get one of these and it will hold boost should you decide to Turbo.

Fact:Nismo's engine of tune is the VQ30DET

Fact: Formula Renault in Europe is run with VQ30DET engines.

Fact: Nismo is heavily involved in Renaults Formula one efforts.

Now the only reason I state the above info is to stop the people that trash VQ's from trashing them without a little info. I am not saying its the all out shit. I will say its one of the better V6 engines in existence today. The VQ series is what Nissan is basing all their top performance cars around and its not shabby.

For a little history lesson to the Nay sayers. Their once was a RB20 a pretty standard Nissan six cylinder it was in a lot of their cars. They decided to make it a little better. The 25 was born, more of a performance engine but still a cross platform engine. Then they developed the RB26 aka Godzilla for the sake of all out Performance and racing.
Point being when the RB started it was no great shakes of an engine in a lot of peoples eyes. Now people worship the ground of RB25's and RB26's. My how things change over time.
Nissan is going the same route with the VQ series and the engines are monsters in sheeps clothing.

Is the VQ swap into our chassis's really expensive? The current offerings out there make it seem that way. There is really no reason for that in my opinion.
Your looking at getting all the proper pieces and doing the wiring. The install process itself is not that hard. Your wiring is probably the toughest part. Does that mean the swap should be expensive? No. Do current people that do it make it expensive? Yes, because they are in business and want to make money off it.
Is a LS1 swap done right more expensive? In my opinion yes. Do I not like or appreciate a LS1 swap? No.

Now to the OP if you want to try to put a Titan engine in your car go do it. I personally think the engine won't fit well and do side with the LS1 people on the choice of it for a V8 install.
Though anyone who says the VQ is shit and is not worth it, really does need to more research on the VQ series before posting.

[Iceman00]

*Sigh*
I'm an arrogant prick on here, because people are ignorant. Just like the idiot who tried to argue about the Turbo VQ.

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/showthread.php?t=247771
450lbs

http://vorshlag.com/weights.php
450lbs

http://corvetteactioncenter.com/specs/z06/ls1ls6.html
450lbs

http://www.engineswaptech.com/forums/thread/1186.aspx
450lbs

Like I said, around 600lbs+ for an LSx motor with trans.

Sarcasm? You should choose your words more carefully then. As far as the neg rep, honestly, I forgot. I probably did leave some for you because of your attitude. So far, the only things that you have demonstrated about yourself in this thread are:

1. You are extremely opinionated (I'm right)
2. You think drifting is gay (It's not a thought, I know it's gay. You are welcome to disagree)
3. You like to call people on here faggots because they don't agree with your opinion. (I didn't call anyone a faggot in this thread to my knowledge)
Based on your rep, NO ONE cares what you think so you might as well stop wasting time and effort trying to impose your opinion on the other members of this forum. Maybe you should try another forum?
Incorrect, My rep is because I rightfully think Drifting is retarded. I have yet for anyone to provide me with any real data to refute what I have posted. When/if they do, I will proudly admit were I was wrong.

Wow how bout we keep opinions to a minimum and keep facts to a maximum.

Question 1)
Why is LSx a fanboy engine?
It seem every thread with LSx swap likes to ignore thier short commings, and add false information involving them, including, but not limited too
Price, Fuel ecomomy, Reliablity, weight
Question 2)
If LSx is a fanboy engine, why are there so many fans of said engine?
Same reason their are fans of drifting. Ignorance, and letting the fad take over proper judgement.
Question 3)
If one suggests an engine (VQ) over another engine (LSx), doesn't that person become a fan of the suggested engine?
The VQ is quite possibly the best mass produced V6 ever. The fact that Nissan Seems to be able to add Power at will, while adding refinement, increasing gas milage, and adding new advanced features makes this something to really look at as far as swaps go.

Conclusion:
So if you are a fan of the VQ, and you are arguing over a fan of the LSx, you will get nowhere since all you have is opinions.
I have facts on my side.

Here just for good measure:
VQ swaps are for fanboys (like Iceman00) who thinks its cool to drag race.
I think its a Shit motor and a Shit swap, but thats just me.
Right. I see the sarcasm, but I don't really care for drag racing.

LSx and stock engines > VQ swaps.


What I just said, doesn't fucking matter. Just like eBay links.
(If you don't understand that then let me explain, eBay is where you sell stuff for how much you think [your opinion] your item will sell for, not the factual price of said item. Opinions aren't worth shit.)

Why don't you check Ebay again for the average price of a LSx motor. And I doubt you'll be able to find a 2001+ LS1 motor for around the same price as a VQ35DE (rev Up or otherwise)

[ThatGuy]

Incorrect, My rep is because I rightfully think Drifting is retarded. I have yet for anyone to provide me with any real data to refute what I have posted. When/if they do, I will proudly admit were I was wrong.

Incorrect. Your Rep is because you're a pompous ass who can't convey a thought without trying to insult someone. Now stop trying to defend yourself, and allow this debate to come to an end. It is about putting a Titan V8 into a 240 in case everyone forgot.

[Iceman00]

Incorrect. Your Rep is because you're a pompous ass who can't convey a thought without trying to insult someone. Now stop trying to defend yourself, and allow this debate to come to an end. It is about putting a Titan V8 into a 240 in case everyone forgot.

Listen. I can read what my rep says, and most, if not 90% of it is because of my view on how poinless drifting is.

Anyhow, according to everyone here, weight is meaningless, and Torque is everything. The VK56 should be about 50lbs more than the LS1, but makes a assload more torque, and with JWT S2 cams, has a reasonable top end Pull. I doubt anything short of a fully bolted on LS1 could keep up.

(word is, Titans dyno around what stock LS1's do...hmm.....)

[SexPanda]

I still dont think the titan vk56 is the best V8 to go in a 240. Its a big engine. A vh45 would be pretty cool though. I wonder if i could get ahold of one around here.

Kinda off topic, but has anyone seen a 5.0 mustang engine in a 240, i mean in real life? I can pikc one up... well a wrecked 91 gt... for 700 bucks, if the guy hasnt already sold it. I was thinking about doing that as a cool little project. Just wanted to know if anyone had any experience with that.

[ThatGuy]

I still dont think the titan vk56 is the best V8 to go in a 240. Its a big engine. A vh45 would be pretty cool though. I wonder if i could get ahold of one around here.

Kinda off topic, but has anyone seen a 5.0 mustang engine in a 240, i mean in real life? I can pikc one up... well a wrecked 91 gt... for 700 bucks, if the guy hasnt already sold it. I was thinking about doing that as a cool little project. Just wanted to know if anyone had any experience with that.

If you read through the V8 240sx FAQ thread, the 5.0 is discussed a couple times. I believe someone is running a supercharged 5.0 in (Don't read any further Iceman!) the Drifting community.

[Iceman00]

I still dont think the titan vk56 is the best V8 to go in a 240. Its a big engine. A vh45 would be pretty cool though. I wonder if i could get ahold of one around here.

Kinda off topic, but has anyone seen a 5.0 mustang engine in a 240, i mean in real life? I can pikc one up... well a wrecked 91 gt... for 700 bucks, if the guy hasnt already sold it. I was thinking about doing that as a cool little project. Just wanted to know if anyone had any experience with that.
Wait. If it fits, and Its only 50lbs more than the LS1, why not?

[Iceman00]

If you read through the V8 240sx FAQ thread in Tech, the 5.0 is discussed a couple times. I believe someone is running a supercharged 5.0 in (Don't read any further Iceman!) the Drifting community.
Blasphemy!

Anyhow, If you like torque, this is hard to argue

http://www.jimwolftechnology.com/images/DYNO_VK56_S2_CAM.jpg

[SexPanda]

If you read through the V8 240sx FAQ thread, the 5.0 is discussed a couple times. I believe someone is running a supercharged 5.0 in (Don't read any further Iceman!) the Drifting community.
Yeah i read through it, and there was a little bit of good info, but i was just seeing if anyone else knew anything... else i suppose. A little reptitious there. Oh well i thought about it, and scrapped the idea a little while ago.
Blasphemy!

Anyhow, If you like torque, this is hard to argue

http://www.jimwolftechnology.com/images/DYNO_VK56_S2_CAM.jpg
Shit I love torque. Maybe I will get that 5.0.:fawkd:

[ThatGuy]

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/169/attachmentqk4.jpg
I like the way this one looks. That's my opinion. LS2 with a Cam, K&N, and headers.

Since I'd have to run non-stock headers for it to fit in my car anyway, as well as a non-stock intake piping set-up, and cams are very easy to change on the LSx engines. This is right up my alley. That's 426rwhp, more than enough for an S-Chassis in my mind.

[SexPanda]

http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=102944
http://www.ls1tech.com/forums/attachment.php?attachmentid=102944
I like the way this one looks. That's my opinion. LS2 with a Cam, K&N, and headers.

Since I'd have to run non-stock headers for it to fit in my car anyway, as well as a non-stock intake piping set-up, and cams are very easy to change on the LSx engines. This is right up my alley. That's 426rwhp, more than enough for an S-Chassis in my mind.
Damn thats nice. If I had the money, id be sportin that... Idk though, i think 200 hp would be enough for me.., as long as i had mad torque (lol) Actually I guess the 4.6 out of the mid90's mustangs had something like 220, according to a friend with one. With a few bolt ons, 300hp would be easy. Maybe ill look into that.

[Iceman00]

Must be a Big cam, considering that motor lost over 75lb-ft at redline. JWT Needs a Bigger Camshafts* in the VK To show what that motor can do.

Torque gets old fast for me, I love the feeling of more and More power as the RPM's Rise.

[Kn1ves]

Wait. If it fits, and Its only 50lbs more than the LS1, why not?

Because there's no manual option?



Torque gets old fast for me, I love the feeling of more and More power as the RPM's Rise.

http://img167.imageshack.us/img167/169/attachmentqk4.jpg

Do you know how to read dyno graphs...

[gsracer]

Yes there is , there is an adapter plate to bolt up a z33 six speed to the vk56

[Kn1ves]

Wow how bout we keep opinions to a minimum and keep facts to a maximum.

Question 1)
Why is LSx a fanboy engine?
It seem every thread with LSx swap likes to ignore thier short commings, and add false information involving them, including, but not limited too
Price, Fuel ecomomy, Reliablity, weight
Question 2)
If LSx is a fanboy engine, why are there so many fans of said engine?
Same reason their are fans of drifting. Ignorance, and letting the fad take over proper judgement.
Question 3)
If one suggests an engine (VQ) over another engine (LSx), doesn't that person become a fan of the suggested engine?
The VQ is quite possibly the best mass produced V6 ever. The fact that Nissan Seems to be able to add Power at will, while adding refinement, increasing gas milage, and adding new advanced features makes this something to really look at as far as swaps go.

Conclusion:
So if you are a fan of the VQ, and you are arguing over a fan of the LSx, you will get nowhere since all you have is opinions.
I have facts on my side.

Here just for good measure:
VQ swaps are for fanboys (like Iceman00) who thinks its cool to drag race.
I think its a Shit motor and a Shit swap, but thats just me.
Right. I see the sarcasm, but I don't really care for drag racing.

LSx and stock engines > VQ swaps.


What I just said, doesn't fucking matter. Just like eBay links.
(If you don't understand that then let me explain, eBay is where you sell stuff for how much you think [your opinion] your item will sell for, not the factual price of said item. Opinions aren't worth shit.)

I see how you managed to screw that up.
Answer 1)
LSx is a fanboy engine because of all the fans of said engine
Answer 2)
There are alot of fans of the engine because of the overwhelmingly positive output said engine produces, thus creating fans.
Answer 3)
You dodged the question, but yes, I'm calling you a fanboy of the VQ engine.

So if you're a fanboy of the VQ engine and someone else is a fan of the LSx engine, what makes your opinion better than his? Maybe you just need to experience the LSx engines for yourself. Maybe he needs to experience the VQ for himself. Same can be said about drifting Mr. Iceman00.

Now if you have experienced both, and which few people have, what you have then is personal preference. Still not a fact. Still an opinion. Still doesn't mean shit.

But what fact does make sense around here?
There are a far greater amount of fanboys for the LSx engine than the VQ engine therefore a lot more people have experienced the overwhelmingly positive outputs of the LSx.

I could tell you all my personal experience and its not going to change a thing.
Go build one, go put it in your 240, go ride along someone else's V8.

Besides, who you going to impress with 'yea I have a V6 in there'.

[Kn1ves]

Yes there is , there is an adapter plate to bolt up a z33 six speed to the vk56

Sorry missed that one, I answered too fast. But I guess you're right.

Chris Forseberg's VK56 engine mated to what looks like a 6 speed
http://images.superstreetonline.com/featuredvehicles/130_0612_14_z+2006_nissan_350z_roadster+interior.j pg

Anyways, another reason is the cutting involved

[BigVinnie]

Simple answers to end all this debating..
1.) THERE is NO REPLACEMENT FOR DISPLACEMENT.. That is a fact!!!!! Thats why almost any true motor sports enthusiast if they had the money would select an engine with more cylinders and displacement.(Cough) Chris Foresburg using a VK swap over the VQ enough said, and it is morereliable to not throwing a rod while producing tremendous amount of torque, and not worry about reaching redline with left over power to spare.
2.) The VQ engine is not a crap swap because it is still rated JD power and associates top 10 most reliable, and powerful engines to own. Not to mention I own a Nissan Murano with great gas mileage and a VQ35!!! I am one to talk.
3.) TRUTH: a smog legal (meaning will pass the state ref for C.A.R.B in Cali) VQ or LSX swap will cost $8000 out of your pocket either way you see it they cost the same if you want them legal.Though a VQ non smog legal swap can run as low as $4000 with mechanical TB and standalone of your choice.
4.)Anyone with any other argument doesn't know shit because then anything else is based on your own opinion.
5.)TRUTH: Opinions are like ASS HOLES everyone has one.
Really this thread should be closed as this topic has been beaten to death!!!

[steve shadows]

4.)Anyone with any other argument doesn't know shit because then anything else is based on your own opinion.


thats like saying i respect your wrong opinion and your entitled to shut the fuck up.

well whatever.

Just buy a fucking car with a V8 and be a 'real motorsports'

I guess ralley racing and tarmac ralley (which is basically HPDE or time attack style racing) is also bullshit not real racing because of limitations on dispacment for the sake of encouraging technological development for power production from smaller dispacements with better gas milage and power/torque/liter.

I respect chris, I just like sr20s.

What the point paying 4-8k for a V8 in an s13, when you can buy a firebird for 8k, its already got a V8 and its ready to go.

Or anything else.

Save yourself some money in the short and long run.

[BigVinnie]

I guess ralley racing and tarmac ralley (which is basically HPDE or time attack style racing) is also bullshit not real racing because of limitations on dispacment for the sake of encouraging technological development for power production from smaller dispacements with better gas milage and power/torque/liter.



Not to sound like an ass hole, but what truth is there in what you just said?
Smaller displacement engines will never get better gas mileage to liter as you increase it's power output.
The whole idea why Nissan from year to year keeps increasing displacement as well as every other manufacturer is to increase power output and reducing overall emissions by decreasing the load requirements of the engine. Theres less load on an engine when the displacement/stroke is increased so at lower RPM's less fuel is needed making the engine more efficient, (plain and simply the engine doesn't work as hard). VQ35de's get better gas mileage then the old VG30's, not only because a larger quench area is a better controlled flame front, but also because Compression Ratio is raised increasing power per stroke. You could add small B.S to that factor like a VG is heavier so it carries more weight and uses more gas....Horse shit statement IMO. Besides smaller displacement engines are limited to valve diameter sizes so power output is already limited, and then you also have to deal with issues with valve shrouding, (which actually decreases low end power on small displacement), really smaller isn't better.
Really it's stupid to say that a 400tq,400HP SR will get better gas mileage than a 400tq/400HP naturally aspirated V8. First off natural aspiration uses smaller injection and pulse width while forced induction has to use more fuel to cool a cylinder charge because air is being crammed into a small cylinder increasing engine temperature and a bunch of other thermal dynamic B.S that is involved.
If by chance a 4 cylinder turbo charged car can get better gas mileage, power, etc, than a V8 naturally aspirated car, it would be through the drive train not the engine. You can just look at A/Fr's on a forced induction engines to know you are burning less air to 1LB of fuel than you would with natural aspiration.
As an example my 3.5 liter murrano with CVT AWD, gets better gas mileage than the old school AWD 2.0 liter Subaru Imprezza. Or I can add to that that the new subaru WRX STI's get roughly 22~24 MPG Freeway while I can get 24~27MPG freeway, and the chassis weight on the murano is heavier!!!

Believe me there hasn't been any significant technological advancements in the internal combustion engine. People just try to get better at improving power output on smaller displacement, but then you can throw the whole idea of reliability out the window.

[steve shadows]

I get 25mpg in my 400whp sr.

Im sure if they built a modern 2007 edition of the sr20det it would get better gas milage than a comprable powered larger disp engine.

oh and get your wrx tuned (boxter motors have different VE efficency and power characteristics anywys).

Lets compare a V8 to a Rotary thats about what your trying to do with that presonal example

Its stupid to say that a 400 ht sr gets better gas milage, but the fact is that it fucking does!

I mean jbeus christ i get no worse than 18 mpg on the city streets with 850cc injection and no more than 12:1 afr characteristics on my personal car as well as cars ive tuned with 555cc injectors getting upwards of 20mpg on the city streets. This is 1980s technology.

Find me a 2008 GTO that will get 20mpg on the street.

PS im not saying "smaller" is super dooper better.

Im directly addressing your points abou how a V8 crushes and humiliates smaller engines for performance.

Your going off on tangents about valve shrouding and de-shrouding and head work being hard to do because of valve size.

I don't see your point. Were not making 1000 hp cars here, were talking conservative power, like 400-500 hp.

Last time I checked a 2.3 liter sr with stock head attributes (minus some minor widening of the quench chamber/head zone) will flow 500, 600 even 700 whp no problemo.

My race car is more reliable than my KA, gets better gas milage than my VG30 J30.

[johngriff]

Technology advances are being made and deployed, while vinny what you quoted is true, that is the inexpensive short term answer to keeping power/emissions standards.

Real technology advancements cost money. Things like direct injection are changing the efficiency/power/displacement equation all the time.

Like everything else, the V8 is yet another bravado measuring contest, which is the game we all play, maybe in other arena and faucets, but its the same.

Like I said, it sounds fun as hell, i'd do it in a heartbeat if a customer came to me and said 'john please'... lol

[StaticX27]

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[codyace]

I get 25mpg in my 400whp sr.

Its stupid to say that a 400 ht sr gets better gas milage, but the fact is that it fucking does!

I agree....I never get below 20, even beating the shit out of it. I was getting 30+ on long trips being nice.

But in the same respect I have 2 friends with 450 whp LS1's, both get mid 20's mpg, but considerably less when beating on it.

Find me a 2008 GTO that will get 20mpg on the street.

They don't meak 08's homey ;)

Im directly addressing your points abou how a V8 crushes and humiliates smaller engines for performance.

It's hard to compare with the addition of Forced induction, but if you compare power gains per power gains N/A, you can't beat the improvments a CAM and bolt ons make to LSx engines...I mean it's crazy what they gain.

I doubt anything short of a fully bolted on LS1 could keep up.

I know a 440whp LS1 T/A (stalled automatic) that runs 10.7's...oh yes.

word is, Titans dyno around what stock LS1's do...hmm.....)

Correct, but be careful of alot of Titan dynos, as most can't get the thing to lock into 4th gear correct during a pull.

First off the LS1 is indeed a very awesome engine. Is the install cheap in our cars? Yes if you do it back yard ghetto style. If done the right way? Its expensive, LS1 car owners know this fact.

Any swap isn't cheap. End result Hp/cost = how I base my opinions.


Second off, Whoever thinks the VQ series of engines does not have potential or is worthless expensive swap has really not done their research or seen a VQ swapped car in action.

Maybe worthless was the wrong term. I've been in some NASTY VQ and VG cars, and love them...but I look at a fully bolt on car still dynoing less than some stock LS1's, and question the swap from a performance aspect.

300hp stock VQ engine can be had with all needed components for the swap for,3k! How do I know this? I own one, a 2005 Rev Up engine complete with the goodies and modules!

But it's not dynoing 300 to the ground.

Fact:Nismo's engine of tune is the VQ30DET

Fact: Formula Renault in Europe is run with VQ30DET engines.

Fact: Nismo is heavily involved in Renaults Formula one efforts.


Oh for sure. LSx is GM's engine of choice in all of their race cars. Funny watching a built LS7 make Turbo porsches and similar look silly in ALMS

Maybe he needs to experience the VQ for himself. Same can be said about drifting Mr. Iceman00.

I've been in both, love both...prefer the better potential of the LSx more.

Real technology advancements cost money. Things like direct injection are changing the efficiency/power/displacement equation all the time.

Certainly. I can't wait to see the potential of camless engines and the sort in the future...


Just buy a fucking car with a V8 and be a 'real motorsports'

Fox body Stangs are cheap...mmm and great performance platforms too :D

What the point paying 4-8k for a V8 in an s13, when you can buy a firebird for 8k, its already got a V8 and its ready to go.

Ah, very true...but most kids hate them as they think of them as mullet machines, etc etc...I love WS6 Firebirds...look awesome, and work well too!

I guess the only pros of the s13 swap is weight savings, and shock factor. Figure a T/A weighs 3600 lbs, and you can make an S13 weigh 1000 lbs les....scarey!

[StaticX27]

So like.. about that Titan motor. Its pretty retarded that this has turned into an LS1 vs VQ thread. Thread starter doesn't even care anymore :P

[codyace]

So like.. about that Titan motor. Its pretty retarded that this has turned into an LS1 vs VQ thread. Thread starter doesn't even care anymore :P


I'll help bring it back on topic

VK56 makes nice power, yet is huge, bulky, expensive to find, and even more expensive to make work in an S chassis. The LS1 provides equal if not more power output, can be installed and found cheaper, has a much larger aftermarket, and is proven around the world.

:D

[BigVinnie]

I get 25mpg in my 400whp sr.

Find me a 2008 GTO that will get 20mpg on the street.

Im directly addressing your points abou how a V8 crushes and humiliates smaller engines for performance.



Couple of points here to make that are important.

Your SR is in a much lighter weight S chassis than it is in a Corvette or a GTO!!!!! I am willing to bet you throw an N/A V8 into an S chassis you would barely need to step on the gas and would probably get better Gas mileage than your SR does. Isn't a vette and GTO within 1000LB's heavier than our S chassis? The argument you keep saying is that your 4 banger will get better gas mileage than a V8 that doesn't need to struggle at all with load.

What everyone fails to miss is an engines ability to produce power under load and do as least amount of effort as possible. A 4banger until the intake manifold builds enough pressure is doing more work!!!! Not only is back pressure building up between the turbo and engine, more fuel is added to cool a cylinder charge because the turbo system is forcing the engine to do something it NORMALLY doesn't do. This means the engine needs a much more stabilized environment when it comes to fuel aiding the engine from constant detonation!!!!




Technology advances are being made and deployed, while vinny what you quoted is true, that is the inexpensive short term answer to keeping power/emissions standards.

Real technology advancements cost money. Things like direct injection are changing the efficiency/power/displacement equation all the time.



Not here to make an argument John , but the only concern manufacturers care about is making things cheaper and easier why spend the money if it's not needed, all companies do is react to the rules provided by the EPA.

The system that is in place is proven to work. The changes were made from the day OBD2 was put into place and chances are that things won't change.
As long as natural aspirated engines continue to make inflated HP numbers year to year, compression ratio's get higher, and more platinum is added to CATs to reduce NOX emissions, I don't think we will be seeing any changes any time soon.

On another note I work for a construction company called IMX, my boss started a bio diesel fuel company that I manage beyond managing the construction company. If things are going the way it is we will be seeing more bio diesel turbo charged engines, then we will for ethanol, or petro fueled turbo engines. The industry right now is doing a complete 180. So far vehicles producing the most VE, and MPG are diesel engines, not gasoline or ethanol powered. Gasoline direct injection is phasing out before it ever became big.

Sorry this went way off topic...

[fromxtor]

Titan VK56DE for sale $1500:
http://www.titantalk.com/forums/buy-sell/60734-04-titan-parts.html

[mRclARK1]

I had a longer post typed out... but then my computer crashed. haha

Cliff notes from said post: It all depends on what your power goals are, and what type of racing and/or driving you want to do, and also how competitively. IE: If you want to a nice daily/weekend track car for drifting (if that's what you're into... just an example Iceman. lol) you'll probably just be best off going with an SR or KA-T. Easy to do, relatively cheap, and LOTS of support out there. Not to mention drifting with a high HP car doesn't provide as much of an edge as it does in other types of racing.

On the other hand, if it's strictly a track car, and you're all about drag racing. You'll probably benefit more from an LS swap.

Again... those are just examples.

This is all trumped however by a little thing called 'personal preference'.

[steve shadows]

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no, pocket book.

buy an exotic if you want the lesbian orgies on your 6mil$ houses balcony

while you pour melted giardeli chocolate on their breasts.

[tailspin]

I agree with the Ls1 folks. Ls1 is a good idea..

I saw the Ls1 conversions for the mazdas and I had my mind set on getting an FD.. but now that people do it to s14s I'm pretty happy to know I can just keep my car instead of selling it for an FD.

Besides the LsX motor mod was said to be like 20lbs difference between the KA motors (minus the heater and A/C). So its not too bad of a weight diff. So you can still get your swerve on w/o having to adjust too much in skill

[5.6inmyS14]

ls1's are the best motor on the market for swapping into another car.

but if you want to stay with the same breed of car and have a V8 for cheap go with a titan 5.6

here is my ls1 rx7.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UYQOsmt60fk

now im going with 56 in my s14

[McRussellPants]

LS1 sounds so fucking gross without longtubes and a lightweight flywheel.


making an LS1 cool is so much work and money.



That being said, if I needed a motor to do burnouts in front of eurotrash clubs, LS1 would be it.

[racer98]

LS1 sounds so fucking gross without longtubes and a lightweight flywheel.


making an LS1 cool is so much work and money.



That being said, if I needed a motor to do burnouts in front of eurotrash clubs, LS1 would be it.



LS1 in a 85 MBZ 300D 4dr as it would make it smog exempt.
now that would be a laugh. + weilded up rear diff would maks for some fun. :rofl:

[PoorMans180SX]

Titan V8 in S14 build:
http://www.xceedspeed.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46288

looks like it requires some serious work. At least how this guy did it.

[racer98]

Titan V8 in S14 build:
http://www.xceedspeed.com/forums/showthread.php?t=46288

looks like it requires some serious work. At least how this guy did it.


Tell him nice job!

[PoorMans180SX]

Oh, I definitely have. I've been following the thread since it started and he definitely knows his stuff.

[brainfood]

This thread was worthless. Who cares about ls1 thats not what this thread is about. I know I bumped an old ass thread but its been a while that auto one isnt even done yet has anyone done one with a 6sp. Its pretty common z33 chassis swap now so the trans has to be worked out. Without a custom intake manifold I dont know how it could be done and keep it legal for sanctioned racing, since most you cant cut the firewall. Opinions? Facts?