CAR WONT START!!! and Nopi is tomorrow!

[240sx_sr20det]

I was at work today and my brother asked me if I wanted him to clean my car. So I told him to vacuum the inside and clean the motor a bit. Being an idiot, my brother took the hose and sprayed down the motor. The car was running perfectly fine before I left and started up with ease. Now the car won't start. It starts off like it is about to start and then just makes a constant noise. I have no idea what to do. Please any help is welcome!:aw:

[arkive43]

so your brother sprayed it with the water hose?.....check the spark plugs see if any water got in there?....what motor?...

[Addicted2Kouki]

check distributor.

[Landers]

Is it an SR or KA?

[240sx_sr20det]

Oh sorry, it's a SR. I checked the plugs they seem to still be dry. Aspeclogan told me to just let it sit for a day or two and then it should start up fine.

[DJ_Sunrise]

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[240sx_sr20det]

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Oh, really man?!?! Thanks a lot! That helps me out so much!







Nahhttt. Pointless. :fawk2:

[ThatGuy]

NOPI?

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Let it dry out like Logan said.

To speed up the process, spray down all the electronics with compressed air to try and force the water out.
Including the alternator, fuse boxes, and coils.

[slider2828]

yah it could be the alternator... It could be also check the mafs, clean off all the wire.... Ask him WHERE exactly he sprayed it down it should help

[240sx_sr20det]

Haha, yeah. Well, you never see 240's in New Hampshire, and all of my friends wanted me to bring it so I was going to. They have an 'unfinished category', haha.:keke: But now my car doesn't move. :-/

Thanks ThatGuy! I'll just let it sit over the weekend.

yah it could be the alternator... It could be also check the mafs, clean off all the wire.... Ask him WHERE exactly he sprayed it down it should help

Thanks! Ill be sure to check that soon. He said he "thoroughly sprayed it down." So, who knows? :-/

[240sx_sr20det]

To speed up the process, spray down all the electronics with compressed air to try and force the water out.
Including the alternator, fuse boxes, and coils.

Alright, I'll do that soon. Thanks again!

[turtle m3th]

Doesn't water generate electricity? Haha, just kidding. Try hitting the alternator with a blow dryer or a heat gun. I've dropped cell phones in water and just took them apart and blow dried them and they were back to normal so it's worth a try. Also is your filter soaked, if so no bueno.

[240sx_sr20det]

I'll have to try the blow dryer too. Thanks for all the help guys. Hopefully something works; I'd really like to have it starting by tomorrow morning or at least by Sunday morning.

What should I do if the filter is soaked?

[ThatGuy]

Take it off and dry it. Oil it if necessary. Or tell your Bro to take his ass to AutoZone and buy you a new K&N.

[turtle m3th]

Blow dryer son!!! Clothes dryer!!! freeze dryer... oh wait, ex that last one. G/L

[A Spec Products]

http://haacked.com/images/BrothersAtTheBeach.jpg

Punch your brother square in the face for being a genius.

[240sx_sr20det]

Haha, making his ass walk to AutoZone doesn't sound like a bad idea. But I'll definitely take off the filter.

Someone told me that I may have shorted something out. Could that be a possibility? Or would it not even be making any noise if that were true?

A Spec Products : Oh don't worry, I already gave him a piece of my mind. I'm pissed.

[A Spec Products]

Haha, making his ass walk to AutoZone doesn't sound like a bad idea. But I'll definitely take off the filter.

Someone told me that I may have shorted something out. Could that be a possibility? Or would it not even be making any noise if that were true?

A Spec Products : Oh don't worry, I already gave him a piece of my mind. I'm pissed.

http://www.mississauga4sale.com/images/brotherly_love.jpg

Okay now give him a hug and buy him ice cream.

Is your car all primered like that though? We don't want your NH boys thinking that how the S13's are supposed to look like ;) JK!

[240sx_sr20det]

Is your car all primered like that though? We don't want your NH boys thinking that how the S13's are supposed to look like ;) JK!Haha! Sadly, yes. But it is going to be getting painted as soon as my kit and fenders come in!

Got home from two days at NOPI and my car still won't start. I haven't had time to try any of the things you all have suggested; besides just letting it sit. So, I will attempt the other things and let you all know!

BTW, NOPI wasn't that good this year. No drift demo! I was pissed. But there was a nice silver Kouki S14 there, with some nice rays wheels and a blacktop. I talked to the guy and he said he was on this forum all the time. I wonder who it is, hmm?

[Edgar]

I didnt read everything but did you check the plugs?

[240sx_sr20det]

Edgar- I just checked the plugs and I pulled out the things before getting to the plugs and the bottom of one seemed to be wet. I looked down in each sparkplug hole and it seemed to be wet right at the base of the plug.

What should I do now? Take out the plugs and get new ones? I don't want to do anything wrong, that is why I am asking first. Thanks!

[Fahaka]

check the harness plugs for the coil packs, dry them with compressed air, also the igniter if it is still in the engine bay...mafs connector...etc. Usually with SR's the waterproof seals in the harness connectors are dried out, missing, ripped fubar'd...

Probable isn't serious, just a pita.

[240sx_sr20det]

So, I'm assuming the coilpacks are the things over the sparkplugs. Okay, I'll dry those out with compressed air. Now, about the sparkplugs, should I take them out since I see some wetness down there?

[slider2828]

O you know what you didn't say, when you turn the car to the on position, did you hear the fuel pump turn on, also when you crank, what sounds and stuff are there.... Also check your fuses as well...

[TiNMAN]

im lovin those brother pics! makes me :keke:

[2_fast_240]

How old is your brother? I sure hope hes only like 10.

[240sx_sr20det]

O you know what you didn't say, when you turn the car to the on position, did you hear the fuel pump turn on, also when you crank, what sounds and stuff are there.... Also check your fuses as well...

Yeah, the fuel pump turns on. The car works exactly how it would normally, it just doesn't fire up. When I crank it, the motor rumbles and everything like it normally would, but it just wont fire up. What fuses should I check?

BTW my brother is 13, and knows literally nothing about cars haha

[240sx_sr20det]

Still not sure what to do guys. Any help is greatly appreciated! Thanks!

[DJ_Sunrise]

Check the ECU for codes. If you shorted something out, it may appear there. Try to push start the car as well. Replace the plugs FFS, might as well. Crank it, pull the plugs, and see if they have fuel on them. They should, since there is no combustion going on. If they are wet with fuel then you are missing spark. If they are dry, then you can be missing both spark and fuel.

-Bart

[240sx_sr20det]

Okay I'll will replace the plugs and check for the codes. Thanks a lot! I really appreciate it!! I'll let you guys know how it turns out.

BTW what should I replace my plugs with? I need a good set of them and I've never had to replace them before. Thanks!

[arkive43]

you dont need new plugs if there just wet take em out dry with a towel(cloth) and use an extention to dry up the inside on the spark plug hole.

when i did my motor swap the plugs were fouled to shit and the holes were dirty some had water from the motor sitting outside. did that and it fired right up but for my situation i got new plugs.

[ixfxi]

people still go to nopi?

and i thought sema sucked.

[240sx_sr20det]

people still go to nopi?

and i thought sema sucked.

They were suppose to have a drift demo, but it got cancelled. So, the guys from NEdrift.com were at NOPI and they went down to the track at Star Speedway right down the road and put on a little show with their supra. It was pretty sweet.

But once again, thanks guys! I'll be getting new plugs today and working on the car. I'll let you guys know how it turns out!

[smelly240]

sounds like the CAS got wet... thats a NONO!

Cam angle sensors dont like water.



When i wash my motor it only gets sprayed from the deck down - the rest u can just nail with carb cleaner - and wipe the valve cover with some lysol wipes or something like that.

[240sx_sr20det]

sounds like the CAS got wet... thats a NONO!

Cam angle sensors dont like water.

Great. What can I do to fix it? (if this is the problem)

[DJ_Sunrise]

I believe the factory ECU has a provision for the CAS.. well.. I doubt the code would come up considering you can't even drive the car.. but, it would be worthwile to check. Have you tried push starting it? I live on a hill fortunately, so occasionally ill role the car down and pop the clutch at the bottom for James Bond like stealth.

-Bart

[Sidewayzzz]

Pull the codes man. If its cranking but not turning over, your probably not getting spark. Do you have a fuel pressure gauge to ensure your getting fuel pressure? Check all the fuses in the box, check the CAS, the ECU should tell you if its not receiving a signal from something.

[Silvia_S13]

washing ur motor was dumbola

change stuff like:

alternator
cas
coil packs
maf

[240sx_sr20det]

I believe the factory ECU has a provision for the CAS.. well.. I doubt the code would come up considering you can't even drive the car.. but, it would be worthwile to check. Have you tried push starting it? I live on a hill fortunately, so occasionally ill role the car down and pop the clutch at the bottom for James Bond like stealth.

-Bart

I have not tried jump starting it yet. I live on a hill too, but no way to get it back up haha. Thanks!

Pull the codes man. If its cranking but not turning over, your probably not getting spark. Do you have a fuel pressure gauge to ensure your getting fuel pressure? Check all the fuses in the box, check the CAS, the ECU should tell you if its not receiving a signal from something.

Nope, no fuel pressure gauge. I'm not good with any of the electrical stuff. How do I go about checking these codes? Thanks man!

washing ur motor was dumbola

Good call.

[Sidewayzzz]

Your ecu is in your passenger kick panel, if you take it unbolt it from the body, there will be a flat head type screw that turns clockwise and counter-clockwise. This may be different for SR20DET's but for a DOHC KA you turn it clockwise, wait 2 seconds (key in the ACC position) and turn it back, it will then beep long and short lights to tell you the codes.

Long Long Short Short Short = 23
Long Short Short = 12

So on and so forth.

Then google sr20det fault codes, or check with an FSM for the SR. (if anyone has one please link, I do not have an SR therefore i use the 240sx manuals FSM's)

Basically, I'm thinking you gonna pull ignition codes and cas codes.

Btw, did you double check all the connections to the MAF / CAS / Coilpacks etc?

[viscid240]

Have you tried to push start it? I can't do that with my girls' s14 cause it's auto for now.

Double check all fuses again. I am assuming you have not tried jumping it. I ask this because after cranking it with a good battery and it not starting will drain the battery.

Go over all grounds, re-tighten cables, Is is possible any part of your harness had split sleeves and could have grounded each other out?

What was the last thing you did to your car? Where did you drive last from? hit any hard bumps, get caught on a slope? Any little thing you can remember the last day you drove it. Then go back up to a week to what you have added moved on the car.

[EJ253]

i used to work as a detailer, you should only have to let it dry out for a few hours.

and as someone said before, compressed air speeds up the process

[240sx_sr20det]

Your ecu is in your passenger kick panel, if you take it unbolt it from the body, there will be a flat head type screw that turns clockwise and counter-clockwise. This may be different for SR20DET's but for a DOHC KA you turn it clockwise, wait 2 seconds (key in the ACC position) and turn it back, it will then beep long and short lights to tell you the codes.

Long Long Short Short Short = 23
Long Short Short = 12

So on and so forth.

Then google sr20det fault codes, or check with an FSM for the SR. (if anyone has one please link, I do not have an SR therefore i use the 240sx (http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=152546&page=2#) manuals FSM's)

Basically, I'm thinking you gonna pull ignition codes and cas codes.

Btw, did you double check all the connections to the MAF / CAS / Coilpacks etc?Okay, thanks a lot! I'll try to look up the codes online. And I will have to go back and double check the connections today.

Have you tried to push start it? I can't do that with my girls' s14 cause it's auto for now.

Double check all fuses again. I am assuming you have not tried jumping it. I ask this because after cranking it with a good battery and it not starting will drain the battery.

Go over all grounds, re-tighten cables, Is is possible any part of your harness had split sleeves and could have grounded each other out?

What was the last thing you did to your car? Where did you drive last from? hit any hard bumps, get caught on a slope? Any little thing you can remember the last day you drove it. Then go back up to a week to what you have added moved on the car.I have not tried push starting it, but I do live on a hill. I just need to get one of my buddies over with a truck to tow me back up it, haha. The battery seems to be doing pretty good for all the 'attempted starts.'

The last thing I did to my car was put in some new front speakers, but I don't think that could have done anything because they still work. Thanks for the help Viscid240!

i used to work as a detailer, you should only have to let it dry out for a few hours.

and as someone said before, compressed air speeds up the processIt's been sitting for 6 days now and it's still not starting up. This sucks, but thanks man!




BTW anyone know what type of spark plugs would be the best to get for my SR?

[viscid240]

NGK bkr7e. Go to Napa and just give them the part number.

[240sx_sr20det]

Okay, thanks viscid240!! I'll keep you guys updated!

[240sx_sr20det]

Okay, so I took out the old plugs and they were black on top and they have oil on them (the farthest one back was soaked). I took them out, wiped them off and made sure they were clean, put them back in and tried starting the car. It did the same thing that it has been doing, except now my radio doesn't turn on. Maybe it's because I'm draining the battery, but that's the update so far. Any responses will be greatly appreciated!

[viscid240]

I say try having it jumped. Chances are your battery is dying now. Did you re-check for spark after you cleaned them off? Have you taken off your cas cover to see if it is completely dry?

[240sx_sr20det]

I say try having it jumped. Chances are your battery is dying now. Did you re-check for spark after you cleaned them off? Have you taken off your cas cover to see if it is completely dry?

Yeah, I'm going to try and get a friend over today with a truck. The battery definitely seems like it's dying. Shit, I knew I forgot to check something. I'm headed back down in a second to check for that and I'm going out to get new plugs. I don't know what the CAS (Cam Angle Sensor) is or what it looks like? If you could maybe post up a pic or diagram that would be a lot of help. Sorry, I'm new to a lot of this stuff. Thanks for all your help!

[viscid240]

http://h1.ripway.com/spooled180/sensorlocation.jpg

[Sidewayzzz]

http://img528.imageshack.us/img528/9416/sr20de010we2.jpg

Thats where the CAS is.

[tckracker]

You need to realize, hosing your engine is not going to foul your spark plugs. It can cause a long list of other problems, so if you NEED new plugs replace them, but don't throw parts at your car and cross your fingers...thats how Honda guys fix things, heheh. You need to diagnose your problem first... which means finding out what is causing the lack of combustion i.e. Spark(Electricity), Air (Oxygen), Fuel (Gasoline), Timing (Timing) heheh. Find out what you're missing. If you don't know how, buy a Chilton's manual and start reading. Have fun. If you find out or have an idea of whats missing maybe we can figure it out, but 'water on my engine, no start, and a noise' ?? sounds like 10 million different possible problems.

[Sidewayzzz]

motor needs 3 things to start. Compression, Gas, and Spark. Water would not effect compression, so that takes that out.

Try this, pull a plug and put it into the coilpack plug wire. Hold the plug against the block and have someone crank the motor, see any spark? If not you know your problem is with spark.

If you have spark (check all 4 this way) all accross the board, is it strong? You should be able to see a pretty significant spark, you'll know what I mean when you try this. If its weak you need to look at coilpacks/cas/etc.

If you have good and strong spark, you know your probably not getting fuel, so do a fuel pressure test. (for this you will need a gauge and to tap into your fuel line, I would do this as a last resort)

Let us know.

[DJ_Sunrise]

Spend a good amount of time checking the electrical side of things.. Fuel pressure it controlled by the FPR using vacuum.. So I doubt your brother could have affected the FP by getting watever everywhere.

-Bart

[240sx_sr20det]

I have not checked the CAS yet. I will have to do it Friday when I get back.

motor needs 3 things to start. Compression, Gas, and Spark. Water would not effect compression, so that takes that out.

Try this, pull a plug and put it into the coilpack plug wire. Hold the plug against the block and have someone crank the motor, see any spark? If not you know your problem is with spark.

If you have spark (check all 4 this way) all accross the board, is it strong? You should be able to see a pretty significant spark, you'll know what I mean when you try this. If its weak you need to look at coilpacks/cas/etc.

If you have good and strong spark, you know your probably not getting fuel, so do a fuel pressure test. (for this you will need a gauge and to tap into your fuel line, I would do this as a last resort)

Let us know.

I shall do that as well. Thanks!

Once again I'd like to thank everyone for helping me out. Thanks for posting the pictures as requested! I'll let you all know when I test out the plugs and check the CAS.

[viscid240]

Good luck hope all goes well. Keep us posted, I will see what else I can think of.

[240sx_sr20det]

Thanks man! I hope I can get it running again soon. I miss driving it, haha. I'll keep you guys updated!

[240sx_sr20det]

The CAS is completely dry. Hopefully getting plugs today. I'll keep it updated!

[240sx_sr20det]

Damn plugs! Bought a set didn't work, so I freaked out cause I didn't know what else it could be. I bought better plugs and it started right up! Thank god! Thanks for all your help guys! Much Appreciated!!

[axiomatik]

did you check the gap on your first set?

[arkive43]

did you check the gap on your first set?


wrd, prob wern't gaped ......im glad to hear u got it started :coolugh:

[240sx_sr20det]

Yeah, I checked it was something ridiculous like 55. But thanks guys!

[Sidewayzzz]

Glad it started, and was something simple :)

[unicoladron]

doesn't 55 mean use the Consult?

and yes, your brother is a fucktard

[240sx_sr20det]

Glad it started, and was something simple :)

Haha. Yeah, I was so pumped today! I'm so happy it was just the plugs and not something serious. I forgot how much fun it was to drive. Gotta love 240's! Haha.

doesn't 55 mean use the Consult?

and yes, your brother is a fucktard

No idea what the numbers mean. I called autozone (where I got the plugs) and they said 40-45 was good and that 55 was way too high. I honestly don't know, so I just went by what they said.

+1 on my brother being a f***tard

[jilo]

so it runs?
msglnth

[Sidewayzzz]

http://www.nissansilvia.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5082

Fault code 55 - no malfunctions found. Just to add.

[240sx_sr20det]

so it runs?
msglnth

Haha, yes it runs!

(http://www.nissansilvia.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5082)http://www.nissansilvia.com/forums/i...showtopic=5082 (http://www.nissansilvia.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5082)

Fault code 55 - no malfunctions found. Just to add.

No no no, the gap on the plugs was 55. I don't know what the gaps are measured in, but it was 55 and that was clearly too high. Thanks though!

[unicoladron]

http://www.nissansilvia.com/forums/index.php?showtopic=5082

Fault code 55 - no malfunctions found. Just to add.

thanks for clearing that up, good thing i know this now. thanks bro

[240sx_sr20det]

Thanks again guys!