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JeffNJ
08-29-2002, 11:56 AM
Okay, this is way off-topic, but what is the chat section for, after all? By the way, hi to anyone who remembers me, which is probably no one anymore. Now, without any further adu...

One week ago today I met this wonderful woman outside my apartment. She's 22 (I'm 24), friendly, funny, quick-witted, and just an all-around pleasure to talk to. As an added bonus, she's also quite hot. I was able to learn all of these thing after speaking to her for only a few minutes in the rain before we both went back to our respective apartments (in the same complex). Immediately before parting ways however, I asked her out, and she accepted.

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

I left a note on her door Sunday afternoon because I had gone over to invite her to brunch, only to find that she wasn't home. She called me the next day, said she loved the note, it was cute, sorry she missed me, etc. and asked if I was free for dinner that night (this is Monday - 3 days ago). I was free, and we agreed I'd pick her up at seven.

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

This is probably the most important part of the story to understand: From 7 until midnight, I had the most amazing time. This girl is truly incredible. I cannot explain (and will not try to) everything about her that caused us to click as well and as quickly as we did, but suffice it to say, it was by far the most enjoyable evening I've had a long time.

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'>

To give her the most support I can get this particular group to appreciate, perhaps I will share a little. We passed a red S13 coupe on our way to dinner. I pointed to it and said, "I used to have a car just like that, but mine was black. In case I ever mention it, you'll know what I mean." to which she replied "You used to drive a 240? I love those. That was my first car, and I've missed it ever since I got rid of it". Floored, I said, "Perfect! Now when you see the framed two page magazine ad hanging on the wall in my apartment, you won't think any less of me." Her response to that was, "Oh, I've got to show you pictures of my old car!"

I could go on endlessly about everything else we said and did that night, but I think those few seconds out of the evening should be enough for this forum. So, there you have it folks. She's one of ours.

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

Now that you have an inkling of an idea how well Monday night went, you're ready for Tuesday night. I was supposed to see her so we could "chill on the front stoop and talk" but on my way there (a sixty foot walk - give or take ten) I decided to check my voice mail. I had a message from her fiancee...
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'>
...who very calmly asked me to stop seeing her. She had completely forgotten to mention anything about him existing, but his request seemed reasonable enough, so I obliged. It was tough to not call her or see her - to give her a piece of my mind - but I resisted.

Wednesday, I spent the better part of my day telling the story to everyone in my office I'm friendly with, much to the amusement of all. "Where do you find these people?" was a common response, only out-numbered by "You're kidding!" I assure you, I am not kidding.

Later that night, she called me to say that I should disregard that message. It was left by her roommate who is, for lack of a better word, derranged. To hear her tell the story, they used to be dating, but are no longer. Don't ask why they're still living together, because she won't be able to produce an answer any better than "free rent", which is, quite frankly, not an answer. She'll also tell you they were never engaged, but the guy is obsessed. He also treats her like dirt, and supposedly I can ask the neighbors or local police to back her up on that. Oh, and he's thirty. Still wondering why she's living there? Yeah, so am I. But, inspite of the fact I think she's complete insane, and living with a total fuckhead, she wants to continue seeing me anyway .. ya know, insisting her and the fuckhead are over and done with. Uh-huh.

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hmmm.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hmmm:'>

So, welcome to the soap opera that has been my week. Even though this version of the story is very cliff-noted, I think there's enough here for you to get a basic grasp on everything. That all said then, what should I do?

Obvsiously, the sensible thing to do is to run. Run fast, and run hard, never looking back. And that would be easy - if Monday night had not been so incredible. Then again, do I really want to persue something with a girl who obviously has a colorful assortment of her own pyschological problems? And, for that matter, is it even in my best interests to so much as befriend this girl if her pyscho-obsessed (ex?)boyfriend/roommate lives in the same building I do? But, of course, can I really avoid her entire (and terribly unfortunate) situation and still maintain a good conscious about letting her abuse continue .. knowing full well it's all going on right around the corner?

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/mad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':angry:'>

It's not easy, I know. But, if any of you were in the same situation (and have managed to read this far) what would you, honestly, do? Thanks a bunch.

ca18guy
08-29-2002, 12:06 PM
I'd still see her. She probably just has bad taste in men, excluding you of course <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> If you like her as much as it sounds, you should just go out more and see where it leads.
<span style='font-size:6.95pt;line-height:100%'>or she is looking for a nicer person to get free rent from</span>

Loren
08-29-2002, 12:13 PM
im glad im 18 and i don't have to worry about shit like that yet, all the girls i know live with their parents

gabossie
08-29-2002, 12:14 PM
Good question. Well, although I am not expert for I have never been in a situation quite like that (thank god! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'> ) if you really wanted to persue this, I would try to meet the psyco ex and make sure things are what she says. I don't really know what else to say, other than it would be easiest to never look back, but you could be passing up a great opportunity, and you could be stepping in to a pile of shit deeper than you can possible imaging. Good luck! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'>

ca18guy
08-29-2002, 12:16 PM
Oh yeah i forgot, how is the Del Slow coming along?

98SilviaS14
08-29-2002, 12:18 PM
heh, come on man, you can't run at the first sign of trouble &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> i mean let's face it nobody's perfect, at least SHE's not crazy... well, not that we know of yet... try sticking around a little longer and if there are one or two more crazies around, then i'd say get out. but definately stick around and keep tabs on that living situation.

JeffNJ
08-29-2002, 12:29 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (ca18guy @ Aug. 28 2002,2:16)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Oh yeah i forgot, how is the Del Slow coming along?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
The del Sol is coming along quite well. &nbsp;I've replaced the factory metal roof with a deep-tinted plexi-glass one, and it's just beautiful to say the least. &nbsp;I've also replaced the entire stereo system with a Sony head-unit, MB Quart speakers all over the place, a Kenwood sub, and an Optimus amp in the trunk. &nbsp;My 240 sounded better, but it didn't have the same wind noise to contend with that this car does.

In regards to mechanical aditions, I've added strut tower braces under the hood and trunk, as well as replaced the entire exhaust from the cat back. &nbsp;The high-flow cat is a Flowmaster, as is the muffler, and all the piping is custom.

Just yesterday, my AEM CAI arrived, but it's still sitting in the box it shipped in on the floor of my apartment. &nbsp;I should be installing that this weekend, while I wait for my short-throw shifter to arrive.

Eventually, I hope to get new rims and tires as well as some anti-sway bars. &nbsp;But, all in due time.

Incidently, this girl's thoughts on this kind of stuff: "Good. That's what you're supposed to do with a sports car. &nbsp;I don't understand why more people don't modify cars like this.", adding, "And while we're on the subject, why is that America can't build a decent sports car anyway?"

twofortysx
08-29-2002, 12:29 PM
DANGER!!!!

Get the fuck out of there and never go back. &nbsp;Seriously, that chick is a world of problems. &nbsp;Anytime a girl is living with her ex boyfriend, there's either:

A) "Friendly roomate sex" taking place.
B) Serious jealousy issues.

You've already got B confirmed, do you want to find out more about A?

SR20Fastback
08-29-2002, 01:00 PM
Persuade either you or her to move to a different complex. Then continue dating her. Also find out what the REAL situation between her roomate and her are. Other than that she sounds like a great girl... considering the fact she knows what a 240 is. Man I read that and I was like damn that girl is gettin me hott &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/hehe.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':hehe:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

HippoSleek
08-29-2002, 02:36 PM
Ah, Jeff... good to see you man!

Here's a little rule of thumb I'll share for you younger guys who haven't realized this yet: &nbsp;They're ALL psycho!! &nbsp;Some are just psycho in a way that is acceptable to you. &nbsp;Some are compulsive about makeup and clothes, others about independance, many about cats, etc. &nbsp;This one just happens to be psycho about her ex-fiance. &nbsp;

I'm about 80% sure, sight unseen, that this guy is an ex-fiance as he says. &nbsp;Too many conincidences (living together, used to be dating, jealous rage). &nbsp;All of these point to something like her cheating on him, him holding on, and her milking him dry. &nbsp;He's 30 - being close, I understand the attraction of young poonany (22 to me is like 17 to you) - and the type of personal instability that drives you to it. &nbsp;Which means that she a) is trouble and b) has generally bad taste in men.

Besides - there are a lot of bad things about dating a girl that lives in your complex!

SimpleS14
08-29-2002, 02:44 PM
The story is not funny....and I was looking for a laugh &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/huh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':huh:'>

Anyways I would still talk to the girl, however be careful. &nbsp;You might get to attached and find out something you don't want to and go through a depressing moment. &nbsp;Also you might be tossed into the mix with her and the ex.....not a good thing.

Basically keep it as friends, she seems like the crazy (psycho) type.

240 2NR
08-29-2002, 02:46 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HippoSleek @ Aug. 29 2002,3:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Besides - there are a lot of bad things about dating a girl that lives in your complex!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Yeah, but you forgot that she's HOT! &nbsp;

It's a tough call, I suppose the best thing was you found out early. &nbsp;Aside from the jealous ex- I see no reason not to at least see her a few times. &nbsp;I'm mean you're both young and if things don't work out it's not tragic, just don't give her a copy of your key. &nbsp; <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/nervous.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':nervous:'>

JeffNJ
08-29-2002, 02:56 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (GT specR @ Aug. 28 2002,4:44)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The story is not funny....and I was looking for a laugh <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/huh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':huh:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Oddly enough, when I get to the "and then her fiancee called me" part, a lot of people I tell the story to tend to laugh. &nbsp;Perhaps it's funnier told out-loud, or told incompletely. &nbsp;

Because, yeah, once you've got the whole thing infront of you, there really isn't much humor involved; it's much more a Lifetime Original movie than one on Comedy Central.

KiDyNomiTe
08-29-2002, 03:07 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HippoSleek @ Aug. 29 2002,3:36)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"> He's 30 - being close, I understand the attraction of young poonany (22 to me is like 17 to you)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
haha umm, you can go out with 22 year olds, but he can't go out with a 17 year old, or he will be going out with a big buff 30 year old man. A better example would be an 18 year old, unless your into jailbait.

If I were you I would talk to the ex or current, and tell him what she told you. If he still insists that they are engaged, then just say that she obviously doesn't want to marry you, unless she's got a split personality.

Dating someone in your apartment would be kinda wierd. If you lived in different apartments I would say juss try and get some, and if she is still crazy break up. But since you will have to see here a lot, then juss do some research.

JeffNJ
08-29-2002, 03:08 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (240 2NR @ Aug. 28 2002,4:46)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yeah, but you forgot that she's HOT!</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Haha. Well put. Seriously though, she's also a whole lot of fun. It's just a shame she happens to be not just a little bit crazy as well. Which is why I think there's a lot of wisdom in avoiding her altogether.
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>

I mean, I did meet her friend, and her friend did back her up on the whole "never been engaged" and "he's derranged" thing. But then, that doesn't mean I believe the friend any more than I do the girl herself - even if she did refer to me as a good catch and the kinda guy this chick needs - because the only people more pyscho than women are their friends.
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

And yet, even as I write this, every time my phone rings, part of me wonders (hopes even) if it'll be her. &nbsp;Yes, after only one date, it's a lot easier to walk away now without becoming attached, but at the same time, it's also a lot easier to wonder if I walked away too soon.
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':eh:'>

I think I'm going to attempt to maintain speaking contact with her, but probably not any personal interaction, and definately not any while at the building. She told me she was moving out next month (to the next town). Yeah, she's said a lot of stuff, I know. But, I figure, I'll see if she actually comes through on this one, and if she does .. well, then maybe we can pick up where we left off.

But anything more or anything sooner .. those of you who said it was a bad idea, I think you're right. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':zzz:'>

nrcooled
08-29-2002, 03:52 PM
The funny thing is that when I met my wife she was living w/ her ex.....Not to mention that she was on a date when we met (different guy <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> )
I was sooooo tempted to as you put it "run and run fast..." but, like you, there was just something about her that I couldn't ignore. &nbsp;Well after meeting the ex, I found out that he was pretty much obsessed w/ her and was not very happy about our relationship. &nbsp;Needless to say, he got the boot and the rest was history.
<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/inlove.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':love:'>

I have also been in stickier situations then you are in now and chose to bail out, fast! &nbsp;Your instincts will tell you what to do and if she is that special go for it <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>

Jim96SC2
08-29-2002, 04:01 PM
Stick it out. Worse comes to worse you had a good time and got some Nooky! Just don't get attached. Thats the worse thing to do period. Just objectify women like me. I have tons of girls in meaningless short term relationships.

PS: Whats wrong with Jailbait.

S13Grl
08-29-2002, 04:07 PM
She is a little older then you...

camppain
08-29-2002, 04:13 PM
i remember you jeffnj

sadly you like many others (including me) dont frequent the forums anymore.

sorry to hear about your situation. maybe it will work out. relationships are weird. funny how some people have replied to this post and havent even gotten their first boner yet.

damn post whores (another reason why i left)

well anyway back on topic try it out jeff play the feild see how it goes if she b.s's alot forget it. leav e it before drama comes out like a novela(spanish soap operas <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'> )

nrcooled
08-29-2002, 04:15 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">The story is not funny....and I was looking for a laugh &nbsp;</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

Actually the story is pretty funny you just have to live it to really appreciate it <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> &nbsp; As you get older the dating scene becomes more and more complex. &nbsp;Multiple dates w/ multiple people...not at the same time though ::unless you are a lucky MF'er::

I wish it would have stayed more like highschool were you just liked her and then, poof, &nbsp;magicly you were dating and if she were the school slut or you dated for a while you would get some nooky.
But college was the best ::can you say random sex:: <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/nervous.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':nervous:'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'> &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> &nbsp; The hook-ups were plentyful and if you go to a big school (I went to Ohio State Univ) you didn't have to see her again <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

fodive
08-29-2002, 04:28 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Jim96SC2 @ Aug. 29 2002,5:01)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">PS: Whats wrong with Jailbait.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Just remember this general rule of thumb, 15 will get you 20 <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>


as for the situation, just go with your gut, do what you feel is right, if you think your passing up on an opportunity, then dont, its better to look back adn regret what youve done then it is to look back and regret what you DIDNT do, you know what im saying?

sykikchimp
08-29-2002, 04:42 PM
<!--QuoteBegin--JeffNJ+Aug. 29 2002,5<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (JeffNJ @ Aug. 29 2002,5<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wow.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':0'>8)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I think I'm going to attempt to maintain speaking contact with her, but probably not any personal interaction, and definately not any while at the building. She told me she was moving out next month (to the next town). Yeah, she's said a lot of stuff, I know. But, I figure, I'll see if she actually comes through on this one, and if she does .. well, then maybe we can pick up where we left off.

But anything more or anything sooner .. those of you who said it was a bad idea, I think you're right. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/dozingoff.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':zzz:'></td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
If you are into her (which it sounds like you are) make it clear to her that your relationship depends on her moving, and that you don't really want to move any further till she is not living with that guy. If she is really into you, she will do what it takes to get out. period. If she doesn't, Drop it.

Hippo is right.. ALL WOMEN ARE PSYCHO. they all have problems with one thing or another. If in fact you are REALLY into someone, you learn to tolerate those issues, and even work around them.

Basically Don't Discount her yet!, but keep only ONE foot in the Door. That way you can run if shit goes sour. I say test her with this moving thing. And keep a close eye on the relationship with dude man. I also agree about the A & B situation stated earlier. Beware of Psycho Ex's, and Friendly Sex. Cause nothing will cloud a chicks mind like a mind blowing orgasm.


edit - &nbsp;Welcome Back dude.. Good to see your around again. &nbsp;--- So when you gettin' another 240? &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'>

DuffMan
08-29-2002, 04:51 PM
Stick with her. Psycho chicks are great in bed.

240 2NR
08-29-2002, 05:06 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (sykikchimp @ Aug. 29 2002,5:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">If you are into her (which it sounds like you are) make it clear to her that your relationship depends on her moving, and that you don't really want to move any further till she is not living with that guy. If she is really into you, she will do what it takes to get out. period. If she doesn't, Drop it. </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Yikes, telling a girl you dated once that the relationship depends on her moving out will have him coming across as the psycho. Just see where it all goes. You never know until you try and will always wonder if you didn't.

And don't foeget: She's HOT &nbsp;:!:

edit:: stupid ! emoticon won't work and yay, three stars for me!!

whateverjames
08-29-2002, 05:27 PM
it's a shame it the story had to turn out like that. sounds like the perfect girl. i vote "stay away". her life is too complicated. and the fact that she's still living with the guy tops it off. it would be different if she made an effort to move out (or at least move over a building or two!<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'> but i'd be afraid the free rent isn't the only thing she's there for. i think she's somewhat attached to him as well.

sr20mofo
08-29-2002, 05:40 PM
</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (DuffMan @ Aug. 29 2002,5:51)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Stick with her. Psycho chicks are great in bed.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
hahahha i totally agree with that!!!! eventhough she was psycho, the sex we had totally made up for it.... so basically SEX was more important than my morals during that time... actually it still is <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/biggrin.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':D'> <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

on the serious note... u have to ask urself if ur the type that gets attached easily and if u are then stay clear away from her now and keep it a neighbor friendly type thing... maybe do a lil investigating without really sticking ur nose in... maybe when and if she does move out then u guys can start from there....
if u dont get attached soo easily then the hell with it!!! go hit that punani and put another one under the belt <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>