Powered by MAX coilover users! Need some info

[Feint Of Heart]

Anyone who has Powered by MAX coils, I'd just like to know your opinion of them and how they are holding up. I'm not asking if they are better than this coilover, or that, just straight up opinions of them. If you've used other coils in the past, say how they compare or whatever. I've looked through the MAX thread and from the little I have seen in there, they seem like a great coilover, but I'd just like to hear from owners themselves. Any info is great, you can even PM it to me, email it, or just tell me on AOL if you want.

Thanks!

[Ninjabread]

Search reveals this and a FS thread.

I'd like to know too.

[pinkarrowsnow]

I have the coilovers and so far so good, they can go extremely low. My wheels are coming tomorrow so after that I will do final adjustments and other things like that. So far I love them but they are very very stiff I run them all the way soft and they are still extremly stiff. But if you can sacrifice some comfort for handing purposes then these are for you. PM me for any other info you may need. And Dan from the company is helpful too so go to their forums and shoot them whatever questions you may have. www.poweredbymax.net

[seantwopointone]

ive heard nothing but good things as well.

[hitman]

kirk, warren, and tommy all have them. if they can survive full throttle the huge dip at nos center, they can survive anything. of course eventually they will need rebuilding (few years), when you just replace the shock-cheaper/faster. i dont haqve any experience with this first hand, but all the guys i listed are very close personal friends of mine, who do sick shit with their car's and they are holding up. stiff as fuck! will turn your lunch into diarhreah in 15 minutes flat. my friend told me about it lol

[pinkarrowsnow]

hahah adding on to the stiffness a few rules
1. No drinks in the car ever again.
2. Your car will make noises you have never heard before, I think my sun roof is coming off half of the time haha

[Bushido]

powered by max or stance gr+... hmm

does anyone have experience with fitting a +12-15 9.5in wheel up front on s13 with these coils? in other words, how do these compare with other coilovers as far as wheel clearance.

[Irukandji]

Max coilovers are stiff as fuck. If you have to ask if they're stiff, they're not for you. I didn't get to drive mine much so I can't comment on its durability but i've heard good things

[Matej]

does anyone have experience with fitting a +12-15 9.5in wheel up front on s13 with these coils? in other words, how do these compare with other coilovers as far as wheel clearance.
That should clear any coilover.

[Irukandji]

powered by max or stance gr+... hmm

does anyone have experience with fitting a +12-15 9.5in wheel up front on s13 with these coils? in other words, how do these compare with other coilovers as far as wheel clearance.

Almost same as my JICs. 17x9+23 had about a 1 mm gap

[driftsilvias13]

i just picked up a set today for my s14 and all i can say is wow. much better than my old teins and you can go as low as you want!

[opponheimer]

How much were they for s14?

[Edgar]

Contact them

[hellion240sx]

i'm keeping an eye on this thread! more responses please.

[Feint Of Heart]

Thanks for all of the responses! I'm having a tough time deciding between these and GR+'s. The price for these is great, and it seems like everyone who has them loves them. Keep the responses coming, I'm sure there are other out there who would like to hear about them.

[Bushido]

That should clear any coilover.

I know that Tien HE wont clear a 9.5 +15 without a spacer, and neither will Megans...
KTS and Stance i know will clear... and someone above said that the Max's clear 17x9 +23 by 1mm, so that means it will clear 9.5 +15 by 3mm. good news!

now can anybody comment about Stance GR+ (not pro) vs. Max

[txrxs]

I should have mine in a couple days, I'll let you know once they are installed.

[driftsilvias13]

How much were they for s14?

they were $1000. i believe thats the price for every coilovers they make :D

[Bushido]

anyone that can offer some experienced opinions on stance vs max?

[Okinawandrifter87]

they were $1000. i believe thats the price for every coilovers they make :D

And thats what makes them so nifty!! lol well one of the reasons lolk :keke:

[hellion240sx]

s30z i have the same problem as you. don't know if i should get stance gr+ pro's or the PBMAX c/o. everyone thats around me has these! so it makes it harder to decide. they swear by stance. but by the looks of it i might go with these because, price is about the same, easily rebuildable, they are used in drift events, so they show some track support, and i like the fact that someone said "if you have to ask how stiff they are then they are to siff for you". you can go really low. i can sacrifice comfort for handling... thats nooooo problem!! but still on the fence..
more responses please

i want to hear people say that they switched from stances for these.

[crescendo]

i just picked up a set today for my s14 and all i can say is wow. much better than my old teins and you can go as low as you want!

Just curious, what TEIN's did you have? Which version are you comparing these to?

[unlegendary]

if you wanna be ridiculously flush , these coilovers will put you six feet under.

if you want the stiffest ride with reasonable quality, these coilovers is 1grand.

if you want warranty, then give it back to them if u want who cares.

if you wanna be like warren g, tommy, and them other ppl on sddrift.com your a$$ needs some max coilovers. go on poweredbymax.net and look at their youtube video and see if u wanna be cool too.

the only thing better than max coilovers is those hella baller zeal coilovers lol, but who's baller?

[hellion240sx]

o yeah standard 10/8 springs!

[AceInHole]

the only thing better than max coilovers is those hella baller zeal coilovers lol, but who's baller?

Or Koni, Penske, JRZ, Bilstein, Ohlins, etc.

[jkeisser]

Hm..
Stance has been having a bit of problems lately, right?
Thats what I've read up on other threads.. but I should be purchasing a set of the P/B Max coilovers soon!

[Silvia_S13]

-kirk

i have these on my s13, as matt already said (hitman) me, tommy, warren, dan(dan at max usa with the s15) all have the coilovers, and abuse them all the time. orange show dip, we catch mad air n keep riding. i daily drive these and they are pretty stiff, but i think its better described as agressive. they are very agressive but are called comp coilovers for a reason. if u want girly feeling grocery getting coilovers, go buy some other shit. if u want some shit u can rely on for drifting and improve dramatically, these coilovers are for you...

you can go way fuckin low

8/10 spring rate standard

same price no matter what car u have...

just remember, the softest setting on these coilovers are like stifferr then teins hardest setting....

i had a choice, max coils or stance coils, and i bought max...

do i regret? fucks nah.. these coilovers are seriously badass and if ur serious about drifting, u already kno which ones to buy...

[jkeisser]

very cool.
good review!^

Do you have any experience with Stance?

[!Zar!]

Hm..
Stance has been having a bit of problems lately, right?
Thats what I've read up on other threads..

Where did you hear this? Links.

[tknbkthrsdy4anfg]

Where did you hear this? Links.

The only problem they've been having is keeping them in stock. because everyone loves them. I had to wait a month for mine.

[Silvia_S13]

very cool.
good review!^

Do you have any experience with Stance?

no personal experience with the stance coilovers.

but my opinion, why does a company have to make different stages of a coilover, do they make a cheap version for people to save money, then run the shit out of them to make sure there still legit? then make a better version, and run the shit out of those for a review, then make some pro+ and run the shit out of those, then give a review. and ur weakest model cost more then other brands?

im not here to tell u what brands better then others, but parts shop max is parts made by drifters, for drifters. the people sitting in the shop selling the parts, run the parts. so far seems like the only reason people are hessitant is because its cheap, but since when was a good price a bad thing?

some how blow ur coilovers some day? dont wanna sit around with ur car parked on jackstands waiting for a ur coilovers to come back from a rebuild? u dont have to with max, they supply you with a new core'd coilover for less then the price of any rebuild, with zero down time.

:bigok:

[hellion240sx]

not being a smart ass.
zar use the search button, and they'll show the threads about stance. i searched a while back maybe a month ago. to my surprise there were a lot of threads about problems with stance coilovers.

i think i have made up my mind, i'm going with p/b max :)

[pinkarrowsnow]

Yes go with max they are kick ass i was leaving a parking lot today and i swore my rear wheels got air haha and i was running them all the way soft.

[lonelydrifter]

I see everyone says these coils are best for drifting and everything but what about for other types of racing like auto-x and just circuit racing?

[!Zar!]

Yes go with max they are kick ass i was leaving a parking lot today and i swore my rear wheels got air haha and i was running them all the way soft.

Glad to hear you like them, but damping doesn't affect droop in the contex you put it.

[longdy]

imma keep my eyes on this tread too..lol im trying to sell me ksports and get either powermax set or Stance gr+

[Silvia_S13]

these coilovers improve handling no matter what type of driving you do. drifting is just an example of the abuse they can withstand.

[jkeisser]

Hey !Zar!, heres the link..
http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=140603&page=2

[!Zar!]

Hey !Zar!, heres the link..
http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=140603&page=2

I don't want this thread to get too far off track from talking about MAX products, but most of those guys just have problems setting the coils up themselves. Not tightening the camber plate screws, loose shock nut, bad balljoint or lca and, not enough preload all contribute to the, "popping" I've heard. I've worked around many different cars with stance and have yet to see any problems. One of my cars are running stance right now. Once MAX finishes development for coilovers for my particular application then I will try them out and compare.

But for now, I don't see how people who don't even know what droop or preload is, to tell me if coilovers suck or not.

Now on to the subject of MAX coilovers, you can't go wrong. Good price. great customer service, no need for waiting weeks for rebuild.

I mean damn, after stopping down at the shop and talking to those guys and the, "feel" you get from the atmosphere there is reason enough to pick them up.

There is no clear cut answer of which coilovers to get in this price range.

Everyone needs to stop expecting to be hand fed and man up.

If you're interested in MAX coilovers then buy them. WORST CAST is they suck. So what. Sell them and try Stance and visa versa.

I'm pretty confident if you put the coilovers up for trade someone would respond because the choice is almost fifty/fifty.

IMO there are way too many threads like this. People don't have the ability to figure out what they want and they are expecting clear cut answers.

There won't be.

[steve shadows]

Or Koni, Penske, JRZ, Bilstein, Ohlins, etc.

shhh youll scare the bandwagoners off ace...

(pulls out turkey call, loads shotgun)


I love when i say ground control and people laugh at me.

its not jdm I guess.

[Feint Of Heart]

Yeah, I agree Zar. You will never get a true comparison of which coilover is better than another coilover unless you, yourself runs them all at some point, and then decides for yourself which you think is the best.

I made this thread asking for 1st hand opinions on them, from actual coil users. Not if they were better than Stance or whatever. To people asking what the difference is between the two, it really comes down to MAX being standard damping/ non-inverted monotube all around, where as Stance has inverted monotube for the front coils.

Now that is the real reason why I am uncertain about MAX. Inverted damping adds a lot of strength to the coilover but it seems as if MAX coils are very well made and durable.

[AceInHole]

shhh youll scare the bandwagoners off ace...

(pulls out turkey call, loads shotgun)


I love when i say ground control and people laugh at me.

its not jdm I guess.

You're right. I'm just upset that I didn't think to take cheap dampers and sell them off as JDM to make mad $$$, or take a modular design and market the flaws in poor fitment as "dual height adjustable!"

[hellion240sx]

feint... if they blow their cheap to get fixed. if thats what your woried about.

[Silvia_S13]

feint... if they blow their cheap to get fixed. if thats what your woried about.

with zero down time! only however long it takes u to re-install ur shit!

[240love]

so if you daily drive your car these would suck then huh?

[hippo_chips]

Man, it depends on you. These coilovers are stiff and more track oriented, but I don't see anything wrong with using them for a daily driver car. I've had mine for 2 months already, and I drive everywhere everyday on them. They aren't harsh to me. I use to actually drive on full soft setting on all four corners. Now I drive 4 clicks from soft at front, and 2 clicks from soft in the rear, and it feels real comfortable.

[hellion240sx]

so if you daily drive your car these would suck then huh?

10/8 nahhhhhh. if you have to ask its too stiff for you. these are more track oriented, but you can put them on full soft if you like :)


i talk like i have these. i should be ordering tomorrow tho!

[hellion240sx]

Ahhhhh I'm Trying To Order These Friggin Things Now!!! But No One Is Answering Thte Phone!!!!! Was It Not Meant To Be? Whats Going On. Well I'll Respond To This Thread Once I Get My C/o. If I Am Meant To Have These Lol.

[axiomatik]

turn off your damn caps lock.

[hellion240sx]

yeah my bad on that...

[hellion240sx]

if your wondering about using it for grip, like i was. i posted this question a while back in the advertiser specials

i asked


Quote:
Originally Posted by hellion240sx View Post
so you would only recommend these for drifting and no grip/ auto/ road racing?


he answered


I would defenately recommend all of the MAX competition suspension parts for grip because drift or grip you need to eliminate as much of the OEM unpredictability as possible to drive fast and safe. With the addition of the MAX competition suspension parts, drivers inputs are performed by the machine precisely. The adjustability available in the multilink parts and coilovers let you fine tune the balance that is right for you between dramatically increased grip and instant oversteer.

so there you have it! hope that helps ya'll out

[lonelydrifter]

That's what I like to hear. That they are not inverted monotube...Not so much.

[yokotas13]

shhh youll scare the bandwagoners off ace...

(pulls out turkey call, loads shotgun)


I love when i say ground control and people laugh at me.

its not jdm I guess.
arent like tons of people in SCCA running GC/koni/kyb setups

If you dont need ot go super low, ground control is really the way to go from what i read about htem a few years back.

[hellion240sx]

I made this thread asking for 1st hand opinions on them, from actual coil users. Not if they were better than Stance or whatever. To people asking what the difference is between the two, it really comes down to MAX being standard damping/ non-inverted monotube all around, where as Stance has inverted monotube for the front coils.

Now that is the real reason why I am uncertain about MAX. Inverted damping adds a lot of strength to the coilover but it seems as if MAX coils are very well made and durable.



yeah just wanted to add to this, the stances re inverted up front only not the rears. from what i understand is that the inverted will take more abuse. but my counter on that is 100 bucks and you got a new one. so pbm makes up for them there in that aspect. if i am wrong someone correct me please.

[Wiisass]

The rears don't need to be inverted, they're shocks. The fronts are struts and take part of the load from the tire, that's why an inverted setup is stronger in the front because the tire is trying to bend the thing in half. In the rear, all the lateral suspension forces go into the suspension members.

As for an analysis of thse things, I recieved some dyno plots for them a month or so ago and ran the numbers. I really want to feel these things and figure out why everyone says they're stiff. Because unless the dyno plots aren't right, then they shouldn't ride stiff at all. But it might be because rebound is very hight and doesn't let the wheel down as quickly as it should. I don't know it's weird. There's a more thorough analysis on my site, but it's not working right now for some reason.

Tim

[hellion240sx]

http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum_viewtopic.php?962


there you go

[Bushido]

Just wanted to say I set the dampening on my Max coils to full stiff yesterday. Holy shit, it is fucking awesome! You can actually feel the 2mm difference between the road and the painted lines on it!! hahahaha

[hinds90]

Any more reviews on these coilovers.

[!Zar!]

Instead of waiting for people, why don't you buy them and find out.

I mean, it's so cheap, buy it, try it and, sell it if you don't like it.

[randyjordan]

i have these coilovers and i like them a lot

they're on the aggressive side..seriously..full stiff is almost unbareable [you just gotta be down]

they go low as fuck

its only 1k

replacements are cheap

what else could you ask for?

[nsn240]

Anyone using these for handling reasons as opposed to drifting?
I think they'd be pretty sick either way

[B Love]

Its overall a good deal. Plus they are proven to handle abuse.

[veilside180sx]

All of the questions being asked and answered are very subjective as to how "handle", "feel sick", "handle abuse". Everything is relative to whomever is obviously making the comment, and the experience level of the person involved. I would take most avg. person's opinions and throw it out the window because they are inexperienced and opinions aren't valid due to the lack of experience.

[smokins14]

Man, I want to try these out and compare them to my JIC's.

[jobestudios]

The only thing that concerns me with these new waves of entry level coilovers such as pbmax/stance/kbee... Yes they all praise how easy it is to get replacement shocks, however how about 3-4 years down the road, will the company still be around or have had enough impact to have a surplus warehouse like the bigger brands?

[B Love]

Yea but thats just the same with any company. pbmax is has been in japan before it came here. But any company can fold and you would be left with no way to get things repaired.

[!Zar!]

It's annoying how everyone says the same thing when someone asks how it feels. "Dude it's SO stiff. Like you gotta be hardcore to handle it". In my eyes, and anyone who has common since, that means they suck. There is nothing cool about having a stiff as fuck car. Handling wise that's dumb. And people who buy a product based on such are just as dumb.

[KA24DESOneThree]

!Zar!, it's all in the idea that stiff means less roll, and that's kind of what the Japanese lower-end coilover manufacturers are designing, then having made God knows where. Stiffness artificially reduces roll which should be reduced through other means like upgrading sways.

I cannot believe that a coilover in this price bracket can have anything resembling proper bump response, especially at this stiffness level.

If you want a proper grip coilover, you'll have to listen to Steve or Ace. These Japanese-designed, ??-made cheapo aftermarket coilovers lack proper valving. Their stiffness is a liability when trying to walk the razor's edge of maximum adhesion.

This is why I'm location-apathetic. SD guys love PBM, LA guys love PG, TX guys love Viceroy, etc. There's a whole lot of unwarranted nut-swinging around here.

[hitman]

i like my car stiff. helps me control the car better. the pro drift cars have a lot of body roll but i dont have the skill they do so i have less body roll and its easier to control

[B Love]

pro drift cars have a lot of body rolll

You built one?

[drift freaq]

!Zar!, it's all in the idea that stiff means less roll, and that's kind of what the Japanese lower-end coilover manufacturers are designing, then having made God knows where. Stiffness artificially reduces roll which should be reduced through other means like upgrading sways.

I cannot believe that a coilover in this price bracket can have anything resembling proper bump response, especially at this stiffness level.

If you want a proper grip coilover, you'll have to listen to Steve or Ace. These Japanese-designed, ??-made cheapo aftermarket coilovers lack proper valving. Their stiffness is a liability when trying to walk the razor's edge of maximum adhesion.

This is why I'm location-apathetic. SD guys love PBM, LA guys love PG, TX guys love Viceroy, etc. There's a whole lot of unwarranted nut-swinging around here.

Ahem, I am from LA and though I know Aaron and Lindsay and have nothing against them, do not lump me into this LA guys love PG generalization. There are to many 240 guys in Los Angeles with lots of experience and knowledge, that have nothing to do with PG, for you to be making this generalization.

I have posted numerously as well over the years about Koni's and Ground control. I have tried out several different brands of shocks as well. I do have a set of KBEE's on one of my cars right now to check them out. I also have Ohlins on one of my other cars.
I am building a set of Koni's because I want them. I do agree with Zar that most of the people jocking PBMAX are just saying they are stiff as hell which means they rock. You know as well as I that does not make the shock.
Though I will say your Generalizations about locations swinging to a particular manufacture are just that. Names will sell a brand there is no doubt. Though it does not mean everyone is on the same bandwagon.

[Dousan_PG]

yah fuck pg
no one gives a shit about us! we just be a group of friends. nothing else.
haha
the SD guys and PbM guys are solid doods
drove behind a lot of them at ASB3

good guys

excellent drifters

and seems their parts held up well to the many abuses

so yeah.
whatever works
put it on and drive!!!!

[hitman]

You built one?

no lol, but if you watch forsberg at htm his car has a lot of body roll, or pics you can see how his bumper is angled towards the ground and shit. its for more grip since they go fast

[Dousan_PG]

werd
not all drift cars are stiff as dicks on viagra
many are pretty soft
all driver preference
the few d1 ones i rode in
koguchi's red 180sx is stiff
but zamurais and kenjis fcs are soft

driver preference.
duh.

[B Love]

WOOOOO I wanna go fast

[drift freaq]

werd
not all drift cars are stiff as dicks on viagra


lol breaking out the mad funny analogies.

[SDS13COUPE]

I got max coilovers on my coupe and love em. Definetly worth every penny.

[tougemaster]

Coilover are stiff if anyone keep saying how stiff they are then go with spring and shocks. THIS IS HOW COILOVER ARE!!!! even Tein Flex

[NemeGuero]

I like them. Sure they bounce a little, but they feel good and respond very predictably.

:)

I traded my stance for these and no regrets. The problems I was having with Stance had nothing to do with my inability to properly assemble a coilover as Mel was pointing out.. It was due to a flaw in their pillow mount design.

My Max don't have that issue. Sure, the damping could be better, but its $1000 for coilovers. Am I going to be pushing the limits hard enough to notice the difference? No, I'm not a time attack racer. I just like to have fun with my car. I don't have the time or commitment to be a competitive racer, so I just go and slide for fun every chance I get.. and these are perfect for me.

If I wanted a professionally competitive ultimate handling machine, I wouldn't use these.. but for what I want, these are perfect.

[B Love]

Coilover are stiff if anyone keep saying how stiff they are then go with spring and shocks. THIS IS HOW COILOVER ARE!!!! even Tein Flex

Hahah no one was complaining about the stiffness. and take some grammar classes

[KA24DESOneThree]

Look who's talking. It's "grammar."

[NemeGuero]

Look who's talking. It's "grammar."

lawlz, pwnanza

[overb0ost]

hey NemeGuero, did you sell your stance or return them?

i was thinking of going with PBM as well, but i'd have to trade/sell my stance.

[NemeGuero]

Sold 'em.

[DoriftoSlut]

I would hate to be in the aftermarket 240sx industry. You guys jump bandwagons by the hour.


I've been daily driving my GF S14 with Stance coilovers for over a year with 0 issues.

Aaron's tracked his for over a year. No issues.

Now the cool thing to do is to get the next new product. You guys are like girls.


Guess what, my FC runs Teins*. Remember when those were cool?




*With SWIFT springs and custom valved dampers and shock length. But still, they LOOK** like Teins.


**Not really.

[drift freaq]

I would hate to be in the aftermarket 240sx industry. You guys jump bandwagons by the hour.


I've been daily driving my GF S14 with Stance coilovers for over a year with 0 issues.

Aaron's tracked his for over a year. No issues.

Now the cool thing to do is to get the next new product. You guys are like girls.


Guess what, my FC runs Teins*. Remember when those were cool?




*With SWIFT springs and custom valved dampers and shock length. But still, they LOOK** like Teins.


**Not really.

Heh, I never thought Teins were cool Lindsay. In fact I always felt they where on the cheap low end kinda sucky side. :D Though you never liked or went for Koni's and Ground Control. I mentioned I was giving the KBee's a shot because a friend liked them and I need to replace a suspension that was coming off one of the cars.
As far as jumping around goes people have done it for years and you know that. Its nothing new. First it was Teins, then it was JIC,then it was Tanabe's and Silkroad(insert a few other Japanese brands here as well), then it was KTS, Then it was STANCE. Now its PBM. This is nothing new going on. Its just you finally noticing it happens. LOL

P.S. I did not list KBEE's in that little list because they are still coming in, though initial impressions by me and a few others(who were able to get some of the first batch) are real good at this point.

[Wiisass]

http://www.theoryinpracticeengineering.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=80

[unlegendary]

i have these in my car, and i don't really mind the bouncy ness. my friend,who has endless zeals, told me my car was stiffer than his and i was surprised. also, the top dogs of sddrift.com use these and they're holdin' fine! these things can go ridiculously low if anybody likes that and i tested the coilovers to see how low they can go and i was basically on frame. once you get these coilovers, it's time to invest in a fender roller :] if you like low height. i haven't heard of anybody rebuilding their coilovers yet so i don't know whats up with that. I'm sure if your local in SD, PSM will rebuild them for a fee.

in addition, if you really want ride comfort just get a less aggressive coilover or just get some springs. i'm not a picky guy, so i adapted to the bounciness pretty quick but thats just some cautionary stuff.

[NemeGuero]

http://www.theoryinpracticeengineering.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=80

inconclusive?

[veilside180sx]

Such a copout for lousy damping "get a less aggressive coilover"...the spring rates aren't all that bad for a quality shock/strut to handle.

They feel "stiff" because the damping isn't done right.

Inconclusive, but still offers more insight than somone's butt damper dyno. Someone else send there's to Lee @ Koni and have him test it.

[LongGrain]

I would hate to be in the aftermarket 240sx industry. You guys jump bandwagons by the hour.


I've been daily driving my GF S14 with Stance coilovers for over a year with 0 issues.

Aaron's tracked his for over a year. No issues.

Now the cool thing to do is to get the next new product. You guys are like girls.


Guess what, my FC runs Teins*. Remember when those were cool?




*With SWIFT springs and custom valved dampers and shock length. But still, they LOOK** like Teins.


**Not really.

well very recently stance has been having some QC issues of some sort, which is why their most recent customers have not been happy at all with their products. i can definitely see why people are choosing pbm over stance at this point in time. i wouldnt even think about purchasing stance right now, not until they change whatever it is thats going wrong in their manufacturing

[Dousan_PG]

who? which customres?
there was one guy in the reviews that had some problems

some people cant put fucking spark plugs in correctly and try to install coilovers
99% of the time its user error

get serious.

[Wiisass]

Not so much inconclusive, based on the numbers, the valving is horrible.

The thing that I didn't get as first was why people were complaining that they're stiff because with compression damping that low, they shouldn't feel that stiff, they will just have issues with the wheel returning. And I think that's what people are feeling, the wheel will go up with no problem, but it won't come down. People have to be jacking down on these over any sort of bumpy surface. And the large rebound forces combined with the small compression forces, could give a "stiff" feeling. But then again, the way people describe things doesn't always make sense. A lot of people just don't have the experience to describe how things are working accurately. That's why, I wanted to drive a car with these and feel the damping for myself.

But I don't get how people don't realize that too stiff isn't good. The suspensioin does need a certain amount of stiffness to keep the wheel in the right place and control camber curves, and bumpsteer curves and all of that suspension geometry stuff, but that's spring stiffness and everyone, for some reason or another, sells their coilovers with pretty much the same spring stiffness. It's the damper that is usually the unknown in most situations. And the valving has a huge effect on what feels stiff and what doesn't.

But whatever, I've said the same thing before and I will keep saying it. But that won't stop people from just buying the cheapest stuff on the market because it will get their cars low and then acting tough because they can handle a bumpy ride or bouncing. But maybe someday people will realize that the bumps shouldn't be felt as much as they are and bouncing isn't good and all you're doing is giving up grip. And for drifting as much as road racing, grip is one of the most important things.

Tim

[Wiisass]

Inconclusive, but still offers more insight than somone's butt damper dyno. Someone else send there's to Lee @ Koni and have him test it.

As great as it would be to have a look at some good dyno plots and not the force-displacement stuff that MAX produced, I doubt it's ever going to happen.

[overb0ost]

who? which customres?
there was one guy in the reviews that had some problems

some people cant put fucking spark plugs in correctly and try to install coilovers
99% of the time its user error

get serious.

actually stance has admitted to shipping out faulty pillowball bushings in the camber plates, twice.

ive went through 2 sets of camber plates personally.

there have been defects in the plates since early 2007 coilovers.

thats the reason why a lot of the newer customers are gettin aggrevated because of this, and it happening twice doens't help.

i'm satisfied since they even shipped these and tried to correct the problem, but some people don't want to put up with the hassle of waiting and downtime etc.

[AceInHole]

Inconclusive, but still offers more insight than somone's butt damper dyno. Someone else send there's to Lee @ Koni and have him test it.

About the only thing "inconclusive" is why they'd release those dyno plots, basically admitting they pretty much suck.

[veilside180sx]

LOL soooo true.=) To think they are proud of them...is priceless. Of course, they do appear the same as 90% of every other JDMish setup.

Part of the reason the D2's felt so stiff, at least a couple of the ones i dealt with, was due to stiction. The damper was not smooth through it's travel or it's adjustment range.

[NemeGuero]

Wiisass, if you're ever in the bay area, you can test mine.

[B Love]

I think PBMAX is good for the price. They get the job done and do exactly what I would expect for the price.

[NemeGuero]

The AutoXers dont. And with good reason, they have shitty dampers.

But for what I use the car for, I don't really mind/notice.

[B Love]

The AutoXers dont. And with good reason, they have shitty dampers.

But for what I use the car for, I don't really mind/notice.

Yea I could see why Auto x people wouldnt like them. Of course there is way better stuff for things like that. I mean what would you expect for the price and the coilovers being what they are.

[!Zar!]

Coilover are stiff if anyone keep saying how stiff they are then go with spring and shocks. THIS IS HOW COILOVER ARE!!!! even Tein Flex
You have no idea how coilovers work, do you?
i have these in my car, and i don't really mind the bouncy ness. my friend,who has endless zeals, told me my car was stiffer than his and i was surprised. also, the top dogs of sddrift.com use these and they're holdin' fine! these things can go ridiculously low if anybody likes that and i tested the coilovers to see how low they can go and i was basically on frame. once you get these coilovers, it's time to invest in a fender roller :] if you like low height. i haven't heard of anybody rebuilding their coilovers yet so i don't know whats up with that. I'm sure if your local in SD, PSM will rebuild them for a fee.

in addition, if you really want ride comfort just get a less aggressive coilover or just get some springs. i'm not a picky guy, so i adapted to the bounciness pretty quick but thats just some cautionary stuff.
Read statment above^
well very recently stance has been having some QC issues of some sort, which is why their most recent customers have not been happy at all with their products. i can definitely see why people are choosing pbm over stance at this point in time. i wouldnt even think about purchasing stance right now, not until they change whatever it is thats going wrong in their manufacturing
I have had zero problems with my stance. As have many other people I know.
Only people who post about stance, comment on how they are having problems.

People never think that they might be part of the problem.

Have there been a re-release of pillow mounts, yes. But that isn't the only complaint that most people have had. The rest of the problems were user error.

[DoriftoSlut]

From Ryan hampton, who set up these FC coilovers I have when he was working with Tein during a sponsorship period, my coilovers have very stiff rebound compared to compression, which for drifting is desireable. During our discussion, I learned a lot, and it makes a lot more sense than what most people believe. Due to Drift Alliance's sponsorship with KW, i am very interested in getting my KWs and seeing what I can set up with seperate rebound/compression adjustment. Ideally, i'd like to have enough experience to one day order my own specs on a product like Koni, Bilstein, etc. Ground control makes a good product and it can be varied based on desireable specs.


Anyways, my Teins are far from Teins. They are the best suspension I've driven on thus far. The high compression curve really keeps the car planted. no bouncing at all. During a bump, its compression and grip. The car won't "bounce up" until its unloaded ie a change of direction, shift of weight, off throttle, braking, etc. Whatever corner is loaded just stays loaded. Its fucking awesome.

[KA24DESOneThree]

One question: Where are these things made?

[babowc]

probably china
like everything else.

anyways.
its one grand..
is there really any room to bitch?

PBM came forth as a shop for drifters.
their parts fit the budget of drifters.
why get so involved?
they advertised and marketed it towards a certain group, it works for them.
then it's a success.

$1,000.
What do you expect?
Bilstein quality?

[hrdprkin180]

If you have the money then yeah go quality, but if your a non baller like most of us then $1000 out the door is a hell of a deal. you cant be a bitch about the ride, cause they're wicked stiff. I had them on my S14 and they were nice, or at least till the fires burnt my shit down in Fallbrook. ( not knocking on anyone or there suspension)

[!Zar!]

hrdprkin180: I'm suggest you reading about how dampers are SUPPOSED to work. Because obviously you don't know.



I really think I should sell some stock struts welded at a preset height and market them as drift shocks. Being as how people obviously think stiffer is better.

Also keep in mind that this is by no means me talking down about PBM products or their guys. I support what the shop does and have no ill feelings twards them.

[drift freaq]

If you have the money then yeah go quality, but if your a non baller like most of us then $1000 out the door is a hell of a deal. you cant be a bitch about the ride, cause they're wicked stiff. I had them on my S14 and they were nice, or at least till the fires burnt my shit down in Fallbrook. ( not knocking on anyone or there suspension)

You can put a off the shelf Koni yellow with Ground control setup together for just under 1k that will kick PBM's ass in the damping department.

[AceInHole]

From Ryan hampton, who set up these FC coilovers I have when he was working with Tein during a sponsorship period, my coilovers have very stiff rebound compared to compression, which for drifting is desireable. During our discussion, I learned a lot, and it makes a lot more sense than what most people believe.

Yeah, I was thinking about it a while ago and it seems similar to the "jacking down" trend that was popular in stock classed autox cars back in the day. They'd basically up rebound damping so much that once the cars would squat, they'd take forever to come back up. After a couple turns or a slalom, the car would be effectively "lowered". However, the increase in transitional response comes at the price of losing some static grip, which I suppose is of some benefit to drifting.

The way I figured it: you don't want to upset the car on bumps or even surface undulations, which is why compression is turned down. This is what I'd assume contributes to your stability through a slide/ turn. Having rebound up high will then keep the wheel unloaded for as long as possible, losing "bite" and creating a "skipping/ sliding" feel. I'd assume that it'd work great for drifters (especially going off what you've said about your Teins).

However, modern drift cars seem to be making a ton of useable/ responsive power. I'd think that drifters moving to more digressive and more balanced dampers isn't too far off, to keep massive amounts of power under control.


Due to Drift Alliance's sponsorship with KW, i am very interested in getting my KWs and seeing what I can set up with seperate rebound/compression adjustment.
I've heard mixed things through some reliable sources, that the KW's have had some damping issues, beyond having limited lowering capabilities (can't slam your car, I'm guessing). Their motorsport stuff looks really nice, and I guess Kojima was using them on his track B15, so I'm guessing a decent KW setup isn't far off.

Ideally, i'd like to have enough experience to one day order my own specs on a product like Koni, Bilstein, etc. Ground control makes a good product and it can be varied based on desireable specs.
You'd probably be better off with Bilstein or Penske, both of which are easily self-rebuildable. You could go pretty crazy with shimming/ valving on either. I'd imagine it'd take some convincing to have a shop build a drift setup, but assuming you could get them to do it, Koni/ Bilstein/ Penske/ Ohlins/ Etc would be pretty awesome.

[Tearlessj]

The only reason im going coilover over GC/KY is because coilovers can go really low and from what i read, GC's dont go that low. I could be wrong, I just dont see many slammed KY/GC setups.

[aznpoopy]

The only reason im going coilover over GC/KY is because coilovers can go really low and from what i read, GC's dont go that low. I could be wrong, I just dont see many slammed KY/GC setups.

i've been wondering about this

most people probably complain because gc is single height adjustable, so to dump it you'd have to run alot of droop.

but the spring is selectable, so you could select a short ass spring instead of taking the spring they send most people

so, it seems the only limiting factor for dumping a car on a gc set up would be the operating range of the shock

[B Love]

Anyone on here have Aragostas? I hear those are pretty legit they are made by ohlins

[drift freaq]

i've been wondering about this

most people probably complain because gc is single height adjustable, so to dump it you'd have to run alot of droop.

but the spring is selectable, so you could select a short ass spring instead of taking the spring they send most people

so, it seems the only limiting factor for dumping a car on a gc set up would be the operating range of the shock

The spring that comes in the Ground control setup is short to begin with. If you wanted to dump the car more without droop, you would need a longer spring not a shorter spring.

Now that said Ground Controls can actually be dumped pretty well. The problem especially withe the Ground Control KYB setup is the fact that the shock is indeed out of its optimal range after dropping the car 2 inches.

I want to elaborate on this my car is slammed thing, for a second though. I, in fact have my current daily dropped pretty hard, on short stroke coils. Its mostly because I like the look. Ya call it ricey. Fact is most people that have their cars slammed, have them slammed for the look factor.
Truth is, I have seen a lot of these slammed cars, including competition cars up on the racks.. The current slammed setup most people are running, on their drift cars is not even optimal for front suspension handling.
When these cars are on the lift, the front suspension is so drawn upwards that the LCA is pointing straight outward.
Proper suspension geometry requires it to point slightly downwards.
The Idea and truth in suspension geometry here is when the car is on the ground your LCA should point straight out i.e. perpendicular to the crossmember or slightly downwards. Though if the car, when it is on the rack has its control arms pointing straight out and not downwards, when put on the ground will cause the LCA to point upwards. This is one of the inherent issues with a Macpherson strut style front suspension. If your control arms are indeed pointing upwards then you have a possible bump steer issue and non optimal handling. This is very common on some drift cars. Its one of the reasons SPL makes custom LCA's and angled Toe rods.

Now having said all that , I want to clear up a misconception here people have that in order to drift the car must be stiff! Its not so much stiff as elimination of body roll.

Way back in the day Rhys Millen when he first got into the scene brought his Pro Rally Evo(god I hate these cars..lol) to the RSR event. He proceed to drift it hard at Pro Rally height. Why because the car has absolutely no body roll as most Pro Rally cars. Ever watch Pro Rally? Those guys are drifting all over the place.

Now that has been gone over I will back to Ground Control Koni's. Off the shelf Koni yellows probably start to go out of the their optimal range after 2 inches though unlike KYB's(junk) they will retain more of their handling capabilities IMO than the the KYB would.

Two reasons people complain about GC is from the Honda world were the setups were dropped on stock spring perches and allowed to rattle around. The other is the drop factor. Having owned cars with Ground Control I can say that you can get a car pretty damn low if you want to them too. Though until you build a custom short stroke Koni setup going below a 2-3 inch drop will be un optimal though like I stressed earlier the car does not have to be completely slammed to drift. It has to have no body roll whatsover which can be achieved with Sway bars.

[B Love]

I think most of the people that want their car super low do it for the looks and they arent too concerned with their suspension geometries

[Dousan_PG]

ah dave
most of these kids didnt know what drifting was when that RS*R event happenned

hahaha

[drift freaq]

ah dave
most of these kids didnt know what drifting was when that RS*R event happenned

hahaha

true that Aaron, hahahhahahhahhaha :rofl:

[AceInHole]

ah dave
most of these kids didnt know what drifting was when that RS*R event happenned

hahaha

even less remember when you had less than a triple digit post count.... :P

[EchoOfSilence]

I refuse to believe that time ever existed lol

[JesusFreakDrifter]

Two reasons people complain about GC is from the Honda world were the setups were dropped on stock spring perches and allowed to rattle around. The other is the drop factor. Having owned cars with Ground Control I can say that you can get a car pretty damn low if you want to them too. Though until you build a custom short stroke Koni setup going below a 2-3 inch drop will be un optimal though like I stressed earlier the car does not have to be completely slammed to drift. It has to have no body roll whatsover which can be achieved with Sway bars.
many p3ople claim that adding sways to elimate body rolls eliminate the need for really stiff coilovers and vice versa, whats your take on that. cuz frm what i hear, adding front sway increases understeer, which is unwanted while drifting. i guess that can be corrected with adjustables. any comments?

[LongGrain]

many p3ople claim that adding sways to elimate body rolls eliminate the need for really stiff coilovers and vice versa, whats your take on that. cuz frm what i hear, adding front sway increases understeer, which is unwanted while drifting. i guess that can be corrected with adjustables. any comments?

you need to upgrade the rear too to even it out...

if your going to upgrade just one sway bar (not the best idea) it should be the rear one. but you really should do both.

[JesusFreakDrifter]

i know that, it would be unwise to tighten up the front roll without the rear, however i notice people have problems with understeerin because the sways are like 30 or 31 in the front and the rears are 27, would that be a reason not to get sways and just get stiffer spring rates in the coilovers as a remedy to alleviate the sway bar problem

[DoriftoSlut]

many p3ople claim that adding sways to elimate body rolls eliminate the need for really stiff coilovers and vice versa, whats your take on that. cuz frm what i hear, adding front sway increases understeer, which is unwanted while drifting. i guess that can be corrected with adjustables. any comments?
How experienced are you? Real life. Hands-on...

Just wondering cause I have my car setup to understeer/be nuetral.

[JesusFreakDrifter]

amateur novice, why?

[DoriftoSlut]

Yeah, I was thinking about it a while ago and it seems similar to the "jacking down" trend that was popular in stock classed autox cars back in the day. They'd basically up rebound damping so much that once the cars would squat, they'd take forever to come back up. After a couple turns or a slalom, the car would be effectively "lowered". However, the increase in transitional response comes at the price of losing some static grip, which I suppose is of some benefit to drifting.

The way I figured it: you don't want to upset the car on bumps or even surface undulations, which is why compression is turned down. This is what I'd assume contributes to your stability through a slide/ turn. Having rebound up high will then keep the wheel unloaded for as long as possible, losing "bite" and creating a "skipping/ sliding" feel. I'd assume that it'd work great for drifters (especially going off what you've said about your Teins).

However, modern drift cars seem to be making a ton of useable/ responsive power. I'd think that drifters moving to more digressive and more balanced dampers isn't too far off, to keep massive amounts of power under control.



I've heard mixed things through some reliable sources, that the KW's have had some damping issues, beyond having limited lowering capabilities (can't slam your car, I'm guessing). Their motorsport stuff looks really nice, and I guess Kojima was using them on his track B15, so I'm guessing a decent KW setup isn't far off.


You'd probably be better off with Bilstein or Penske, both of which are easily self-rebuildable. You could go pretty crazy with shimming/ valving on either. I'd imagine it'd take some convincing to have a shop build a drift setup, but assuming you could get them to do it, Koni/ Bilstein/ Penske/ Ohlins/ Etc would be pretty awesome.

Cool. Thanks for the tips.

About KW... yeah, top-end race shit is sweet. The v3s are sweet too. They don't make anything for FCs, what I'm trying to get them to do is build me something the exact length of where my car sits right now. No need to adjust it, its perfect.

http://www.shift-lock.net/oilcover/allstarbash/allstarbash21.jpg

http://www.shift-lock.net/oilcover/allstarbash/allstarbash28.jpg




Anyways, yeah the car goes over bumps amazingly well and handles like a dream, both while drifting and gripping.





As for the thread, PSM stuff (PBM?? whatever) (haha PSM is a Porsche suspension term) those guys are all way cool and we had fundriving together. Do I honestly think that their parts are the top-notch? No. No offense to them. But for MOST people, that doesn't matter. They do awesome driving and they're running their own stuff. Drifting is drifting at a certain level. Pro setups are not needed for most people. Likewise, good drivers can adapt and make due with whatever is available.

[DoriftoSlut]

amateur novice, why?

Because as you get better and more advanced, if you choose to pursue it that far, you'll learn that setting the car up to understeer will most of the time be ideal. Think about it. As a novice, you'll still struggle to be "in tune" with the car while its drifting. You can turn in and make mistakes and still the car will rotate out and you can manage a drift.

Once you reach a certain level, you want your drifts to be faster. You want to have big impressive angle and exciting entries. All of that comes from setting your drift car up to understeer. Front wheels "scrubbing" at high speed so you can initiate earlier, more momentum, more speed. High angle but a rather straight trajectory? Front tires scrubbing along even while at full lock.

[JesusFreakDrifter]

+rep thanks for the info, i was confused on some peoples i guess misinformation. thanks for clearing that up, how is your suspension setup as far as aftermarket goes, dont worry im not trying to copy but rather have a guideline to when im upgrading

[DoriftoSlut]

+rep thanks for the info, i was confused on some peoples i guess misinformation. thanks for clearing that up, how is your suspension setup as far as aftermarket goes, dont worry im not trying to copy but rather have a guideline to when im upgrading

Well, you def. won't copy me cause I have an FC! Short wheelbase Front/Mid engine car. Semi-trailing arm rear suspension, different center of gravity. It is so different than an S13.

But the prinicpals are the same...

Stiff springs (9kg/8kg), stiff rebound damping (beyond your control most of the time) stock sway bars, light light weight, big big power. Done.

[JesusFreakDrifter]

s14 but ok i got it + repped

[hitman]

this holds true for the majority of people on the internet.
if you took the time you debated over different valving and shocks, and spent that time driving, you would be much better off. you would have more fun, be a better driver, and be way less nerdy.

[KA24DESOneThree]

But they'd lose the edge.

Driver ability can only get someone so far. The car is a big part of what the driver can do, I know that's certainly true in my case. I blame none of the quickness of the car on me, it's all in what the car is capable of.

More fun to you may be drifting, but to me more fun is getting as much out of the car as is humanly possible.

Nerdiness has nothing to do with having a healthy appetite for knowledge. Most of the top-tier autocross and time trial guys are fast because of their knowledge.

[overb0ost]

i don't think getting thick thick swaybars are a good idea for drifting.

as i was talking to the DA guys when they came to toronto, they all basically ran stock hicas sway bars.

reason being, allows the suspension to work more independently and therefore more grippy over uneven surfaces/bumps.

i can attest to that as i upgraded my front swaybar and it felt like ass. it was too stiff and i was always 1 wheeling over small bumps. the tire wouldn't go back down. yes this could also be because of below 1.2g coils but it didn't allow the front end to flex much. even in mid-drift i couldn't sew the wheel like i usually do.

right now im running stock front s14 sway and Progress 3way adjustable rear swaybar. have it on the softest setting and is best for my setup since i'm still on complete stock KA on 17x9s. need it a bit stiffer in the rear to spin the wheels.

i think i'll switch back to my stock s14 rear sway with new bushings once i get some real power.

but like most drivers will say, its all driver preference and your style.

compliment your style with the needed parts.

[Wiisass]

I don't even know where to jump back in here.

With what Lindsay was saying and more rebound than compression. That's a common compromise with linear valving. It's what you need to do to get the car to take the bumps and control the body motion. More rebound damping doesn't mean too much, there is a limit of what it should have and that's based on the spring rates and the weight and everything else.

And I hate the driver preference argument. It sounds like something that's coming from people who don't have enough experience with good setups to know that they're preference works well for the car. It's the whole tuning around the driver, which for the most past is bullshit. The car needs to be tuned and then the car and the driver need to reach a good compromise. Some preference is understandable, there are different driving styles, but the changes that would be affected by this are small compared to what a lot of people group into the "driver preference" category.

Unless it's driver preference to drive on a crappy setup because that makes them feel like they have bigger balls.

There are a lot of reasons for setting up cars certain ways and a lot of different outlooks on what is important. And in all of these, driver preference should be one of the last and smallest effecting things. But that's assuming people put enough thought into their suspensions as they do what color bubble shift knob they want.

Tim

[zavala]

how would one compare say these coilovers vs. megan racing track coils? similar in spring rates and price.

[Bushido]

i would say they are definitely a step up from the megans.

[AceInHole]

you need to upgrade the rear too to even it out...

if your going to upgrade just one sway bar (not the best idea) it should be the rear one. but you really should do both.

That's not necessarily true. I know of a bunch of guys not running a rear bar at all, drifting or not (and myself included). The principle is simple: having a stiffer rear bar, or more roll resistance in back, will reduce the load on the inside rear tire. With less roll resistance up front, you'll end up lifting or unloading an inside rear, which is a huge no-no for RWD cars.

Taking the rear bar off does two things:
1. lets the rear end stay "planted" by keeping both wheels loaded (no swaybar to try to "pick up" the inside wheel).
2. lets the suspension work with less bind and resistance (giving you more "bite").

You can compensate by adding more rear spring, but fwiw: most "coilover" setups seem biased towards oversteer to begin with.

[OptionZero]

ace, what front bar are you running? Stock? stock + upgraded bushings? ST, progress, tanabe...what?

[AceInHole]

ace, what front bar are you running? Stock? stock + upgraded bushings? ST, progress, tanabe...what?

Whiteline with heim joints.
http://i114.photobucket.com/albums/n247/AceInHole/PirateS14/suspensions/DSC_6271.jpg

Looking into something stiffer, maybe even splined bar and blade style.

[OptionZero]

didn't Wisass or someone test the Progress ones (come with new spherical mounts) and find they were as stiff as Tanabe's?

[overb0ost]

^^ they are stiffer than tanabes at full stiffness

plus, they use solid endlinks which makes it even more stiff

i ran the progress front bar on its softest setting and it was too hard for my liking.

i felt the front had no feel when i was in mid drift, but it felt very responsive while normal gripping.

[BlckBeautyVTEC]

i've had the PSM coilovers since about april now,daily driven and track driven on em since and they still feel good. even when off coursing at HTM during ASB they still feel fine my .02

[Bushido]

^ did they give you a break on the price in return for a sig advertisement?

Im also satisfied with my PSM coils. Haven't had them for very long, but so far no complaints from me. It may not be top-end race shit, but for $1050 shipped, can you really ask for more?

[Wiisass]

^^ they are stiffer than tanabes at full stiffness

plus, they use solid endlinks which makes it even more stiff

i ran the progress front bar on its softest setting and it was too hard for my liking.

i felt the front had no feel when i was in mid drift, but it felt very responsive while normal gripping.

Front is stiffer, rears are the same.

I still don't know what the problem was with your setup. Or if the S14 bars are that much different than the s13 bars in terms of relative stiffness when compared to a stock bar. Because the s13 progress front bar on full soft was softer than the stock s13 front bar. Unless it's just the fact that the endlinks with the progress were actually allowing the bar to work compared to the stock endlinks that suck. Otherwise, I don't know.

Tim

[Wiisass]

but for $1050 shipped, can you really ask for more?

Yes, you can.

[Bushido]

well, i guess it depends where your priorities lay. I'm not building a full out race car...
The coils so far have proven to be quality parts and I feel they are better than the other "cheap" coilovers (Megan, Kbee, BC)

[drift freaq]

well, i guess it depends where your priorities lay. I'm not building a full out race car...
The coils so far have proven to be quality parts and I feel they are better than the other "cheap" coilovers (Megan, Kbee, BC)

You cannot compare them to Kbee, Do you even have experience with Kbee's? There are only 20 sets of KBEE on s13/s14 in the country right now. Plus I have a set and I can tell you they are not in the same catagory as Megan or BC.

[AceInHole]

well, i guess it depends where your priorities lay. I'm not building a full out race car...

This is very true. If your priorities have the words "frame" and "to the pavement" above anything like "performance", "ride quality", "control", etc.... then cheap ass coilovers are the perfect solution, because you can sell them off on Ebay once they're blown and it's 90% likely the buyer won't know the difference.

[Bushido]

...speaking about cheap ass suspension parts, aren't you running 1.3mm wall thickness motoria suspension links? sweet.
but you won't be able to sell them on ebay after they have snapped in half. and I can rebuild my coilovers for next to nothing with no downtime.

You cannot compare them to Kbee, Do you even have experience with Kbee's? There are only 20 sets of KBEE on s13/s14 in the country right now. Plus I have a set and I can tell you they are not in the same catagory as Megan or BC.

I don't have any direct experience with Kbee, but i had the chance to be one of the first to buy a set, and decided to go with Part Shop Max, because the Kbee's seem to be much more soft in comparison, and the MAX look to offer a better design. Plus I knew that the MAX coils were able to clear 9.5+15 up front, something which not all coilovers in this price range can do.

PSM coils have a 1 piece CNC machined lower mount, Kbee is welded. The Kbee's also have pillow ball rear uppers that are rendered useless because unlike MAX they don't have have a rear upper spring perch to allow some space for the coilover to move freely, instead it is bound by the spring being directly against the upper mount.

Also, you may not think that Kbee is in the same catagory as Megan, BC, or Stance Basic... but they all have a very similar price, which makes them competitors.

All I can say is i'm happy with my purchase and they are more than enough for my level of expertise, I'm not a professional driver by any means.
and yes, "to the pavement" was one of my desires i wanted to be fulfilled with buying my coilovers.

[hitman]

ive had ohlins on my s13, before those i had some lower end tanabes. before the part shop max ones i had silk roads on my s14 for about a year and a half. ive done alot of events and im not a newbie. maybe im a poor driver, but i honestly dont think the pbm coilovers are of a lower quality than silk road. only difference i noticed was less body roll with the pbm units. do i suck? maybe. but that doesnt mean there is some huge difference like you guys are claiming. ill take that extra thousand i saved on coilovers, put them towards like 5 events and overall be way happier and have more fun. my car has alot of grip too.

[BlckBeautyVTEC]

ive had ohlins on my s13, before those i had some lower end tanabes. before the part shop max ones i had silk roads on my s14 for about a year and a half. ive done alot of events and im not a newbie. maybe im a poor driver, but i honestly dont think the pbm coilovers are of a lower quality than silk road. only difference i noticed was less body roll with the pbm units. do i suck? maybe. but that doesnt mean there is some huge difference like you guys are claiming. ill take that extra thousand i saved on coilovers, put them towards like 5 events and overall be way happier and have more fun. my car has alot of grip too.

respek http://www.stuartmorrison.com/images/main_ali_g_03.jpg

[AceInHole]

...speaking about cheap ass suspension parts, aren't you running 1.3mm wall thickness motoria suspension links? sweet.
but you won't be able to sell them on ebay after they have snapped in half.
Thanks for your concern, but I'm confident the failures of most arms (both Motoria and others) were rod end related, and I'm sure you've seen the rod ends I'm running. Like I've stated before: the only Motoria arms I didn't like were the cast rear upper camber, which I might replace in the off-season (as I stated a while ago on FA).

and I can rebuild my coilovers for next to nothing with no downtime.
You'd probably end up just replacing the dampers for less than the cost of labor for a rebuild.

All I can say is i'm happy with my purchase and they are more than enough for my level of expertise, I'm not a professional driver by any means.
and yes, "to the pavement" was one of my desires i wanted to be fulfilled with buying my coilovers.
Like I said, that's great, and makes perfect sense. The reality is: you can't go "stupid low" with most high-quality setups, even $7500 Motons. It's the one thing the cheaper coilovers have for an advantage.

[Tearlessj]

Sorry to bump a old thread, but it about that time I make some kind of purchase on a coilover. Heres the low low, Im 16, I daily my car cause its my only car. This summer I have to make a 10 hour road trip. Now has anyone taken long trips with this coilover? Hows the ride? At my age, I have to spend money wisely and I want to make sure that I make the right choice. TIA.

[Teambadrun]

Sorry to bump a old thread, but it about that time I make some kind of purchase on a coilover. Heres the low low, Im 16, I daily my car cause its my only car. This summer I have to make a 10 hour road trip. Now has anyone taken long trips with this coilover? Hows the ride? At my age, I have to spend money wisely and I want to make sure that I make the right choice. TIA.
They are fantastic from what ive been told, definately money well spent...

[CA18_S13]

I like the coilovers no problems so far. 10 kg spring front/8 kg springs rear. The ride is stiff but if your gonna put suspension on the car and just want it to feel like stock whats the use of buying coilovers. If you want feel like your actually gripping the road these are awesome. They give the car a ultra low look on my Swaztika rims and looks like its tucking. The sale thread pretty much helps cover if you have problems with the coilovers.

[BigwaveSC]

I've had mine (MAX) on my car for a little over 2 years with no problems and no regrets, and i have done prolly 12-15 events on them.

[throwedtexan]

ive had mine four about 2-3 months i love them. ive installed 3 sets of them they all seem to like them no regrets yet hope this helps

[axiomatik]

10 hours is a long time to drive on coilovers. why not wait until after your trip to buy them?

[Z33dori]

i have driven 3 diff 12hr trips on my ksports with zero problems.....so u should be fine with some PBM....


and of the 12hr drives i saw and hit many pot holes

[Tearlessj]

10 hours is a long time to drive on coilovers. why not wait until after your trip to buy them?
Well I wanna hit some events before, during, and after the trip. I was thinking throwing on stock suspension just for the drive?

[Bushido]

I've had the Part Shop Max coils on my car for close to 6 months now. No complaints, they are sweet, but fucking stiff, even at full soft. The bang for the buck is undeniable, but if you're looking for a coil over thats going to be comfy around town and on long trips, look elsewhere. These have a heavy track bias and you will feel every inconsistency on the road's surface. Hitting road reflectors at 80MPH ain't comfy.

[Fries]

I've driven on PBM for over a year. Yeah theyre stiff, but think of it as a 12 hour roller coaster ride. Wouldn't you love to be on a 12 hour roller coaster ride!?

Theyre fine. Get them, you will not regret it! Infact you will begin to throwup in your mouth everytime you drive a car with stock suspension. Body roll = uck!

[Silvia_S13]

over a year on mine, and maybe close to 6 or so events. i love them. sometimes i enjoy the drive up to events just as much as i do driving in events lol. it gives your drift car, a drift car feel.

enjoy them. as do the rest of us who own them. only girls complain about how stiff they are, because they forgot they only use them to go buy groceries. if thats your purpose of your drift car, buy ebay springs or something.

[pinkarrowsnow]

Ive had mine also for a year and no complaints and yeah they are stiff but who cares they preform outstanding for the price.

[theslows13]

i dont find them to be too stiff at all. i have experience with a few brands of coilovers and by far, these are the best. they are firm but not retarded stiff... you can feel the roads very well and i personally like that kinda feedback as a driver.

[snoozy]

sorry guys, for bring back a old school thread but i thought this would be better then making up a new thread. so ive been doing some reading on these pbm coilovers and it doesnt seem have a specific type, and also ive been reading into silkroad rm-a8 both these coilovers are recommended by alot of people i was wondering if anyone has have personal experience and would tell me what each product gives. i dont want to hear from a person whos mates auntys uncles grandmas ex's dogs owners brother who was actually a sister's brother said this and that please looking for personal experience.

cheers in advance

[Teambadrun]

sorry guys, for bring back a old school thread but i thought this would be better then making up a new thread. so ive been doing some reading on these pbm coilovers and it doesnt seem have a specific type, and also ive been reading into silkroad rm-a8 both these coilovers are recommended by alot of people i was wondering if anyone has have personal experience and would tell me what each product gives. i dont want to hear from a person whos mates auntys uncles grandmas ex's dogs owners brother who was actually a sister's brother said this and that please looking for personal experience.

cheers in advance
Silk road is good, and very comfortable.

I have these on my S15 , so its straight from my mouth

[snoozy]

thanks mate, i tend to see silkroad becoming a new craze in melb atm thats why im trying to sus something else out but then again ive already ordered my silkroads lol wondering if i should fk them off for some pbm comp coilys, thanks mate

[gotspins13]

just decided im going to be getting these sometime soon but im going to be running 8/6 springs since they are super stiff and i think it would be better since we street drift alot. ill be the first one with them from were im from so ill be kinda the tester for them :)

[Marcus]

sorry guys, for bring back a old school thread but i thought this would be better then making up a new thread. so ive been doing some reading on these pbm coilovers and it doesnt seem have a specific type, and also ive been reading into silkroad rm-a8 both these coilovers are recommended by alot of people i was wondering if anyone has have personal experience and would tell me what each product gives. i dont want to hear from a person whos mates auntys uncles grandmas ex's dogs owners brother who was actually a sister's brother said this and that please looking for personal experience.

cheers in advance



although they'll be biased, you should ask Dan. him along with a few of his friends had silk roads prior to pbms. ask them what they did/didnt like. im sure they'll be honest.

btw, whats up. met you at the chula vista meet a couple months back.

[iRONDONkey]

I'll be either getting PBM or stance gr+ pro. I'm undecided among the two.

[DriftDamage]

I like my PBM Coils. I dont have prior coilover experience and they are my first set. None the less I love them compared to stock. Also there is a huge difference from soft to stiff. 1-10.

Can def feel the difference at the track with each setting. I love the almost virtually no body roll when drifting<333

[PoorMans180SX]

I've had Tein Super Drifts on one of my cars. I'll be picking up a set of these soon. I'll let you guys know how they compare.

Just to throw it out there, I would much rather run stiffer springs then anti-roll bars with softer springs.

If you're lifting your inside tires during turns, that means you have too much body roll because your springs are too soft, not because there is anything wrong with your anti-roll bars. The higher grip tires you buy, the more body roll you will have, so you compensate with stiffer springs. Upgrading your anti-roll bars is only necessary when you have too much body roll, but don't want to increase your spring rates unnecessarily high when you're dealing with bumpy tracks (we're talking slicks and at least 12kg springs). Damping can compensate for stiff springs and bumpy tracks most of the time.

Now with AutoX, it's a little different, because you have very sudden transistions, but it's still mostly the same.

And people always forget Topline Aragosta when mentioning quality coilovers. Built by AST, adjustable lower mounts, inverted fronts, pillow ball mounts, and camber plates. They'll custom damp them how you want it and with the spring rates you want and give you the dyno sheet afterward. They have a 3-way adjustable version too.

[Bushido]

Just got a ride in a car with Stance GR+'s this weekend and it was SO much smoother than my Max's.

After having my Max coils for a year, I have no problems with them, but I wish I went with something with more compliance, call me a pussy..

I think the Max's are excellent for a track car.

Stance's are what you want if you drive your car on the street.

[Marcus]

^^^pussy. jk

but max also offers 6kg springs. they replace the rears, and the rears go up front. i think i might do it for daily. call me a puss too. lol

[Ceepo]

I had pbm coils on my s13 i loved them, i had a welded diff and a sohc, it was totally drift ready, i loved the coils, great hight adjustment, and they are stiff but isnt that the point of coilovers lol...

[firm tofu]

Just got a ride in a car with Stance GR+'s this weekend and it was SO much smoother than my Max's.

After having my Max coils for a year, I have no problems with them, but I wish I went with something with more compliance, call me a pussy..

I think the Max's are excellent for a track car.

Stance's are what you want if you drive your car on the street.

ive looked at stance but never seen a pic of a car dumped on their coilovers so i chose max.

[SoSideways]

ive looked at stance but never seen a pic of a car dumped on their coilovers so i chose max.

Did you never see Kidynomite's purple people eater cars?

Lindsay or Dousan's silver sparkle S13/S14?

Lots of people on here had/have Stance coilovers and slammed cars man.

[firm tofu]

Did you never see Kidynomite's purple people eater cars?

Lindsay or Dousan's silver sparkle S13/S14?

Lots of people on here had/have Stance coilovers and slammed cars man.

I thought dousan is on DG5 and Lindsay was on some other high end coilovers needless to say when I seen pics of stance coils, most of what I have seen has been cars with fender gap. Don get me wrong I'm not hating on stance, and would still consider them as people say they are comfortable coilovers. I'll look around for those pics.

[SoSideways]

I thought dousan is on DG5 and Lindsay was on some other high end coilovers needless to say when I seen pics of stance coils, most of what I have seen has been cars with fender gap. Don get me wrong I'm not hating on stance, and would still consider them as people say they are comfortable coilovers. I'll look around for those pics.

Dousan is now on DG-5, but he replaced his Stance with DG-5, so he had Stance before.

Lindsay had Stance on his silver S13 coupe.

And if you're judging how low a car is with no fender gap, then shit, I guess my car was slammed as I had no fender gap either.

I made a couple of posts in the wheel fitment whore thread and I think a couple posts in the picture thread, look for it there. I'm on Stance GR+.

[snoozy]

although they'll be biased, you should ask Dan. him along with a few of his friends had silk roads prior to pbms. ask them what they did/didnt like. im sure they'll be honest.

btw, whats up. met you at the chula vista meet a couple months back.

ahh sweet, yeah i seems that way a lot of people recommend what ever they have but then again everyones bias in some way. lol awesome thanks for the info but not too sure on who Dan is unless that is his actually nickname like yours.

yeah not too much bro, back in aus and well drifting still isnt really going anywhere here so that sux. but gotta stay definately miss socal and sd gotta go back sometime, and also gotta say you boys know how to build cars. but we are still learning. how are you anyways?

[Marcus]

^^^dan is from MAX. his user name is DC Dan Max usa. i think. im running their coils as well now, as my JIC A1s blew a while back. they built for 2 things. slamming and drifting. and they do that extremely well.

[SoSideways]

^Yeah this is his name. I just copied and pasted it while Marcus beat me to the reply.

DC Dan MAX USA

Anyway, I haven't been in a PBM coilovered car, so I can't tell you what they're like, but I just might give their version 2 coilovers a try, if they come out.

[snoozy]

sweet, thanks fellas i ordered some silkroads and they are on there way but i still wanna find out the comparison of pbm to sr hearing it from someone whos had both these coilovers would help heaps, because these silkroads can always be sold if i dont want them

[DC Dan MAX USA]

Parts Shop MAX has an open forum for all of our products which helps us give our customers what they want and need. While Eisuke San & crew in Japan and the guys at our humble little shop in the USA churn out some good ideas, we also have the desire to constantly improve our parts to make the most important people happy, the end user. I've got a little something thats new on the site called the "wish list" where we are discussing whats next. A hot topic of conversation is the second generation Parts Shop MAX coilovers. Parts Shop MAX Forum (http://www.gtfactory.jp/cms/e107_plugins/forum/forum.php)

Someone dropped a link to this thread in there as well as mentioning that Wiisass is a knowledgeable suspension guy. Anyone who would like to contribute please drop by and let us know what you would like to see in the future.

[ASheng89]

Does anyone know if these coilovers clear the new SPL RUCA's?

[l20bdime]

sweet, thanks fellas i ordered some silkroads and they are on there way but i still wanna find out the comparison of pbm to sr hearing it from someone whos had both these coilovers would help heaps, because these silkroads can always be sold if i dont want them


Matt Powers(green zenki on the max site) had silkroads before Max. He said they are very similar. The diffenece that would sway me on the max coils is the fact that there is more support in the US for them. Is there an official silkroad usa? i dunno. oh and the price. Max is less $

[rbs14kouki]

im bumping a old thread but anyway ... i was looking around for coilover

i have stance gr+pro (spring rate 8/6) on my track car but there are not stiff enough (s14with a rb26 in it) i want to change them because the spring rateis not stiff enough + i run without a front sway bar cause of fitment isue with the oil pan !!!

i found some used stance gr+3 (spring rate 12/10 valve in considiration) low milage (they were on a track car for 1 season)


my question is :
should i by those , go with PDM , or change my spring rate on my gr+pro

thanks in advance guys

[ILoveJDM]

maybe change the spring rate on your coils now, as when you buy new coils again, itll still be made for a s-chassis without the extra weight upfront.

[Maiku240sxS14]

I wouldn't change the spring rate too far from the original setting. I've asked Tein about it getting stiffer spring rates and they said as long as you stay close to the original spring rate you don't have to get them re-valved (for the dampning).

[My$800S14]

PBM or BC Racing

I must ask though I already know the answer, these or BC Racing's? the only thing is BC is basically local for me and I would have no trouble with rebuilds either I know that I really want PBM's but the waiting I'm not totally down with, though I would nut my pants every time I walked out to my car if I had PBM's, and furthermore, if i got PBM's my girl wouldn't want to drive my car cuase it would be soo stiff:rawk:

[Wabash9000]

if they are too stiff you can order the 8/6 spring package for $80 on their site

[aa87]

I had the pbms with the 10/8 setup on my car, and it was stiff, a nice kinda stiff, but eventually became irritating on a daily'd car. i picked up the 8/6 setup and like it a lot more for street driving, but switch the springs for events where the 10/8 i feel is much superior

[Mister.E]

can anyone rocking these coilovers verify whether a 10 +18 will clear on the front? i am leaning way towards the side of no, but i need a true answer so i can make a decision on what wheels i want to buy. thanks.

[Marcus]

no they wont. i had a 18x10 +14 and it didnt clear

[Mister.E]

fuck, thanks for the info man

[jspec_S14]

Edit: I'll re tell my experience in a more constructive manner. I'll wait till on a pc rather than I phone

[jspec_S14]

can anyone rocking these coilovers verify whether a 10 +18 will clear on the front? i am leaning way towards the side of no, but i need a true answer so i can make a decision on what wheels i want to buy. thanks.

Yes they will, as long as you use an 18x10 with +5 or lower offset. you can use a +15 with a 10mm spacer up front if you choose.

I have 18x9.5 with PBM coilovers +15 and it is literally 2.5mm away from the strut.

[yingiang]

your not supposed to preload the coils

[Shaminii]

your not supposed to preload the coils

Sarcasm?

hubba hubba

[yingiang]

Sarcasm?

hubba hubba

real talk

.

[Landers]

No pre load on coilovers.

Just snug enough where the spring can spin, not dick loose so its making noise...snug

[Marcus]

Drove down the street onto the local highway and literally after 5 minutes of driving i almost vomited. You are constantly bouncing (no matter the dampening setting), every tiny dip in a high way resulted in a few seconds of nautious oscillation... I immediatly became un attracted to the coilovers.

So i drove them for about 3 weeks and everything was going sub par as ususal with these coilovers, the dampening seemed to get a little better but still bouncy. and then one day the front right coilover began getting noisy. every time i would take a slow corner in a parking lot or to my garage i found it put tension into the front right spring and it would suddenly release causing a fun noise making my car sound as though it was falling appart. So i took the coilovers out, reset them in MULTIPLE settings of preload to see if i could get rid of the noise, i put lubricant on the spring seats, i tried EVERYTHING.

The noise still exists.. :)

Ok so my PBM's withing 3 weeks dampen like shit, and clunk and creak.. ok well i guess that sucks but i hear they last for a long time or something? they apparently can take a beating?

well no, Week 5 on these coilovers (NO TRACK USE) just 2-3 days a week since i have another car for a DD. and the front right coilover is now bottoming out on little bumps, the car has sloppy dampening characteristics and now i instantly want my money back.






what do you mean " it put tension into the front right spring and it would suddenly release causing a fun noise making my car sound as though it was falling appart"

You have a unique case. there are plenty of people who have these coils with no mechanical defects. Sounds like your car might actually be falling apart.

i have literally driven over 10K miles on california roads and 10 track events with no problems and ive certainly gotten my money's worth.


Although I must note, upon initial purchase, the top nut had to be tightened. other than that, NO PROBLEMS for me.




On another note, ive personally dealt with dan. If there is anything wrong, he'll willingly take care of it. may i suggest install error?

[Z33dori]

i love mine... i drove well over 30hrs on a road trip with these....

def not suppose to pre-load them..... prolly why you are bouncing so much..

[jspec_S14]

what do you mean " it put tension into the front right spring and it would suddenly release causing a fun noise making my car sound as though it was falling appart"

You have a unique case. there are plenty of people who have these coils with no mechanical defects. Sounds like your car might actually be falling apart.

i have literally driven over 10K miles on california roads and 10 track events with no problems and ive certainly gotten my money's worth.


Although I must note, upon initial purchase, the top nut had to be tightened. other than that, NO PROBLEMS for me.




On another note, ive personally dealt with dan. If there is anything wrong, he'll willingly take care of it. may i suggest install error?

Fair enough, maybe my post sounded more rant like rather than a review. I fully understand the dynamics present in coilover systems and YES you do actually adjust preload which is why you have dampening and rebound adjustment on many higher end coilovers. every adjustment of your dampening is supposed to directly match a spring rate. it is to ensure you do not end up with under/over dampened characteristics. (bumpiness or strut oscillation)

Regardless, i am hoping this is a select case. I loved the concept behind the brand. Next season when the car is back out ill see how she acts. And you are correct Dan is amazing at PBM, no doubt about that!

As for preload, the car currently sits with literally 0 pre-loading to the springs. Aka when the car is suspended you can just barely spin the spring.

As for the noise it sounds like an extremely creeky spring, you can VISIBLY see the spring tense up as the wheel is turned and pop and spin. So no the car isnt falling apart. Suggesting an incorrect installation is also unlikely considering i have tuned/installed many coilovers before. But hey, i might be missing something.

... but it will have to wait for next year! :)

[yingiang]

Fair enough, maybe my post sounded more rant like rather than a review. I fully understand the dynamics present in coilover systems and YES you do actually adjust preload which is why you have dampening and rebound adjustment on many higher end coilovers. every adjustment of your dampening is supposed to directly match a spring rate. it is to ensure you do not end up with under/over dampened characteristics. (bumpiness or strut oscillation)

Regardless, i am hoping this is a select case. I loved the concept behind the brand. Next season when the car is back out ill see how she acts. And you are correct Dan is amazing at PBM, no doubt about that!

As for preload, the car currently sits with literally 0 pre-loading to the springs. Aka when the car is suspended you can just barely spin the spring.

As for the noise it sounds like an extremely creeky spring, you can VISIBLY see the spring tense up as the wheel is turned and pop and spin. So no the car isnt falling apart. Suggesting an incorrect installation is also unlikely considering i have tuned/installed many coilovers before. But hey, i might be missing something.

... but it will have to wait for next year! :)

you dont do any preload. the coilover was already tested in that manner so no you do not need to adjust any preload because you dont put any. you do not have dampening adjustablity...it is rebound.
i know this popping/clunking sound u describe because i had this same problem first hand when i did not know to NOT preload them.

[Corbic]

you dont do any preload. the coilover was already tested in that manner so no you do not need to adjust any preload because you dont put any. you do not have dampening adjustablity...it is rebound.
i know this popping/clunking sound u describe because i had this same problem first hand when i did not know to NOT preload them.

You should be able to turn the spring by hand with some effort.

[jspec_S14]

you dont do any preload. the coilover was already tested in that manner so no you do not need to adjust any preload because you dont put any. you do not have dampening adjustablity...it is rebound.
i know this popping/clunking sound u describe because i had this same problem first hand when i did not know to NOT preload them.

Yes and no, you need to understand why you own coilovers in the first place with adjustable compression/rebound dampening. Long story short like you said the dampers were shock dyno'ed to that specific spring rate and that valve pass rate. The second you change the dampening characteristics (preload or compression) you should be mating it with a proper spring rate. Preloading a spring adds to the amount of force required to compress the spring. A strut rate of damping should be directly matched with your spring rate to avoid over/under dampening characteristics.

I'll try and change them up a little bit more, see what I can do for sure. If your mentioning you had this issue before because of some spring load then I am up for re installing the front dampers to fix the mistake

So again, ideally you would want all of your springs matching each adjustable compression / rebound cycle. But you can't, since you don't own all 15 springs, so you can preload them. Regardless, like said above my springs are set with 0 preload literally take some effort to turn them but by all means they don't spin in their place.

Also, I'm not looking for a battle and will appropriately edit my initial rant because even i don't find it complete
ly fair. ; )

Also compression and rebound are both attributes of dampening which suggest that yes you can control dampening. But like you said more specifically rebound is adjustable on this particular brand

[KOUKIE_S14]

I have almost every link they make and i have pbm pro coil overs i have them on soft and ride smooth and when i auto cross i click it over some times and WOW they are amazing stiff really good products i vouch for their coils and Dan and Dave are great people they will help you with what u need.

[taran!]

I have the 2011 pbm comp coils and i love them! At first they're stiff, but you get used to it and once you drive them they get better and become more smooth! They can go super low, and not ride like complete ass! While dailying on soft then switching to super stiff while on the track the difference is amazing!! Overall amazing coil for the price!

Ive had megan tracks, and compared to those they are wayyyy more comfortable! Ive also had jic-flta2 but for some reason i prefer pbm. I'm in love with these coils and would recommend them.

[frifox]

ordered pmb's and installed em on my s14 few weeks ago... set them on max stiff for half a day just for sh1ts. i think i got some airtime on freeway once or twice, haha. now i got my fronts set to 4 clicks and rears to 6 clicks, no wheel hop, stiff ride, yet doesn't spill my coke while driving. good enough for me :snoop:

my driver record was clean for 2 years and i managed to get a speeding ticket 2 weeks after installing pbm's, haha. these coils improve handling SO much that i end up taking corners like 10mph - 20mph faster than i used to without major tire squeal on half-bald tires and f'd up alignment :coold:

[Bushido]

my front coilover dampener adjustment just keeps spinning and spinning.

anyone else have this problem?

the other 3 corners stop if i go full soft or full hard.

[towlie]

Maybe shoot Dan a call

[DDK]

I had the first gen S13 PBM's on my old car. Got an S14 kouki now and thinking about going with the pro coilovers... Anyone heard anything good or have any reviews????

[lame_s13]

I have read a few times that the comp coils are very stiff and much more suited for lower hp cars than the pro coils, but exactly how low are we talking? I had a set of the stance gr+ pro SSD coils that were very stiff and worked well with my ka powered s14, but now I'm running a 13 coupe with sr and basic fmic, exhaust etc. I don't consider my set up high hp by any means but would I be better suited with the pro's or the comps? I just haven't heard any examples of what kind of hp numbers people are referring to when they say the comps are more suited for lower hp cars. Thanks ahead of time for any feedback.

[future]

Since when did hp have to do with brand of coils?

Wtf is wrong with people

[leung]

Since when did hp have to do with brand of coils?

Wtf is wrong with people

:werd: lmaooooo

[DJPimpFlex]

Since when did hp have to do with brand of coils?

Wtf is wrong with people

Not necessary brand but dampening and spring rate definitely has a lot to do with how much power you put out.

Edit: Also just go with the Pro's. You will have a bit more rear grip but you can compensate with more tire pressure if you are having trouble. The ride and traction are well worth it.

[future]

So he buy some pbms with his ka. Then a couple months later he swaps a sr like the rest of zilvia. Welp time to buy new coils!

Yeah. Cool story bro

[h2v7]

other than pbm website anywhere else to buy these

sold out till end of april apparently

[DJPimpFlex]

They sell factory direct only as to keep the price down.

[Marcus]

So he buy some pbms with his ka. Then a couple months later he swaps a sr like the rest of zilvia. Welp time to buy new coils!

Yeah. Cool story bro



its not a direct correlation you idiot.

and knock it off with the fun internet quotes. zilvia has been around since you were 8years old. dont act like you know everything. youre fresh outta highschool. you dont know shit

[Tempo]

i know the threads old already but just in case someone searches...:hide:

picked up the pros about 3months ago , got 3k miles on them and theyre great, better than all the other coilovers ive tried, can get used to daily driving on these if you arent a bitch about it like the posts ive read before i bought mine, posts exaggerated about the stiffness lmao i go to tgif's every friday and drive home on a full stomach me and my gf and we're fine , great coilovers +1 for sexy colors :bow:

[fckillerbee]

So he buy some pbms with his ka. Then a couple months later he swaps a sr like the rest of zilvia. Welp time to buy new coils!

Yeah. Cool story bro


or just change spring rates......


or be a man and spend the extra 350 and get the better coils....it's really a no brainer.


I just picked up the Pro's, I have a stock Sr in my s13. shake down should be in a few months when the car is done. I'll post an update on how it feels with low power. I'm going to run the 8k/6k swift setup.

[lame_s13]

Not necessary brand but dampening and spring rate definitely has a lot to do with how much power you put out.


This is exactly why I asked. When I had a 100whp car with 18's, I needed the super stiff coils and high tire pressure. Now that I have something lighter, with more hp and I want to start trying tandem, I know a softer suspension is going to help. Thanks for the feedback, I'll go with the pros :)

[DJPimpFlex]

Definitely go with as much traction as your power allows. Makes tandem easier when following because you can check up and lose speed much faster allowing you to stay on their door.

[S_13_Sr.]

how do the "pro's" compare to "fortune auto 510"

say they are the same price, what is the best bang for the buck?

i know FA have digressive valving and pretty thick piston but that doesn't always mean more durable.

how much softer/streetable are the pros from the comps

is the caster adjustment useful or more of a gimmick?

[DJPimpFlex]

how do the "pro's" compare to "fortune auto 510"

say they are the same price, what is the best bang for the buck?

i know FA have digressive valving and pretty thick piston but that doesn't always mean more durable.

how much softer/streetable are the pros from the comps

is the caster adjustment useful or more of a gimmick?

The pros are a lot more streetable than the comps. The caster adjustment works well if you decide to set your car up that way. Basically you use the TC rod to center the wheel in the wheel well, you adjust caster at the top mount as advertised and you adjust camber with the LCA.

[B-Rod15]

hmm I think ill order a set when they are back in stock .. I've read nothing but good things, pretty convinced I wanna go this direction.

[pacotaco345]

Does anyone know how their new linear springs compare to swifts? I have the latest gen comps before they made them all copper and shiney like (2nd or 3rd gen) and I'm thinking of just upgrading to their new springs.

[GustavoCesare]

Sorry for bumping an old thread. I'm looking to buy PBM sometime soon so I was just wondering how these coilovers went for you if you ended up making the purchase? I'll be daily driving and seeing the track as much as I can. Did you go with the pros or the basic ones?

Thanks

[gallo]

daily drove my s13 with cage and they held up great and i drove through some shitty streets. .i had isis and k-sport before. i hated k-sport and isis held up great for the price. but PBM is quality stuff . .

[Beas]

if you are going to daily it, I know martin recommends 8k/6k springs. I have 10/8 in mine and its a bit harsh. can ride low without rubbing though. might want to think about that when u order.

[pacotaco345]

Does anyone know how their new linear springs compare to swifts? I have the latest gen comps before they made them all copper and shiney like (2nd or 3rd gen) and I'm thinking of just upgrading to their new springs.

wtf 2 years and no one answered my question :fawk2:

[udon!]

lil off topic but has anyone had issues with PBM RUCA coming loose? Mine came loose to the point where I could spin adjustment nuts by hand.. I have the previous generation without the extra jam nut thingy that makes sure settings don't come loose...