S13: is the 5 lug conversion worth it?

[Gjohnson7]

Ok, as some may know, I'm in the process of doing a SR rebuild as well as body and paint. I'm still trying to pick up a new crank so I can take my engine to the shop.:x: I have a couple that I'm interseted in, just trying to find out the shipping costs. Let me know if you know someone with a good used crank for cheap.

Anyways....
Heres my next issue and yes I'm looking for opinons. I picked these up last week.............
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/12/web/2664000-2664999/2664385_37_full.jpg

So I have a full z32 brake set, all I need is a new master clyinder, front rotors and brake lines. I also have rear z32 hubs, but I'm trying to figure out if I should dump them or find some S14 hubs and finish the 5 lug conversion. I have to do something to fit the brakes, but

option 1. I was considering dumping the rear hubs and just swaping my stock rims for my buddies stock 7 spokes. (he has a few laying around) If I do that I should be able to run the z brakes with 10 mm spacers and be ok.

option 2. Finish the swap and find some used 350z wheels. Might be a little heavier than I would like, but they would be wide enough, clear the brakes and get the job done.

option 3. Sell the hubs and find some 4 lug wheels with the right offset and redrill the rotors. On my last 240, I rocked the Falken hanabis 17 x 9 +20mm. But I'm not really sure what's out there now that I want to pick up.

Now keep in mind, since I'm on a budget. The less I spend gets to go toward suspension. Such as sportlines vs coilovers. I could go all out and finish the 5 lug swap and pick up new 5 lug wheels, but then I might not even be able to drop the car.

[Phlip]

There are more options and arguments on either side of this now.
Elitists will tell you that 5-lug is your ONLY option, they're being short sighted and residually ignorant fuckers, some of them will show off these facts in the posts that follow, they always do... There are MORE wheel options when you DO go with the 5-lug, but the number of good size/offset 4-lug wheels is going up all the time. There is that pain in the ass of redrilling the rotors, but when compared to other options, and the cost/effort of switching to the 5-lug as it were, perhaps it is less of a hassle to you.
The deal breaker, here; is cost, when you switch to 5-lug you MUST get new (or new to you) wheels, and usually tires with that... If you have an open line on wheels that will fit on the brakes and will not cost you an arm and a testicle, and the free/cheap cost will afford you the benefit of coils instead of sportlines, by all means stay with the 4-luggers for now.

[420sx]

5 lug. choice of cheap drift wheels and balla wheels is limitless.

[Taniguchi_Is_#1]

it takes more effort and money to get baller 4 lug wheels, although they are around. i added it up, and i got 5 lug and MB weapons (read: shit) with tires for less than sportmaxes + tires. rofl.

[Gjohnson7]

Oh, and I won't be doing any drifiting. I don't know how you guys do it, I don't have that kind of tire budget.:faint:
I might hit some road courses, but that will probably be it. Also, I haven't completely decieded on weather I would go coilovers or not. The roads are crap here in Oklahoma, because of the extreme changes in weather. There was a lady this spring that hit a pot hole on the highway so big that it flipped here Jeep Cherokee and she died.:eek:

[AznDrftr.]

^Yea, im kinda skeptical doing the 5 lug only because of it. But then again, 4 luggers dont really have that much of options with nice wheels.

If so, hard to get and hella expensive.

Damn 4 luggers.

[24Zero]

I fought the five lug conversion. I did not want to fuck with it. I changed the hubs to 5 lug and the rotars to '95 S14. I did not go the Z32 route. But in the end, it was the best thing to do for me. I plan on BBK later.

[mRclARK1]

I'm with PHLIP.

If you shop around, you can find some pretty decent 4 lug wheels, and the options are getting better. If you got the money to go 5 lug right away, then by all means, do it. But if you're building on a budget, sticking with the 4 lug for awhile is nothing to worry about.

Probably the person I know who gets the most good comments on thier wheels (rare as shit wheels though, mind you) is still a 4 lugger. :)

[supercleans13]

5 lug conversion is well worth it. I did it and finding wheels with awesome offsets is a breeze. Definately recommend it.

[Gjohnson7]

I'm with PHLIP.

If you shop around, you can find some pretty decent 4 lug wheels, and the options are getting better. If you got the money to go 5 lug right away, then by all means, do it. But if you're building on a budget, sticking with the 4 lug for awhile is nothing to worry about.

Probably the person I know who gets the most good comments on thier wheels (rare as shit wheels though, mind you) is still a 4 lugger. :)


Yeah, i get to thinking this all the time and as soon as I have my mind made up that I'm staying 4 lug. I see crap like this............
http://www.aspecproducts.com/forums/zilvia/specials/wheels/te37/magblue_00.jpg

Then I freaking flip out and feel like slapping somebody. Heck these bad boys almost got me fired, because I saw them at work and almost slapped my manager.

I would sell my car to buy these wheels, but then I wouldn't have anything to put them on. Or....... I guess I could put them on my Maxima, it's 5 lug. Hmmmmmm.......

[240sx_sr20det]

those are ill wheels! i want 5 lug now! haha

[chmercer]

panties dont drop for 16 studs

[mRclARK1]

Yeah, i get to thinking this all the time and as soon as I have my mind made up that I'm staying 4 lug. I see crap like this............
http://www.aspecproducts.com/forums/zilvia/specials/wheels/te37/magblue_00.jpg

Then I freaking flip out and feel like slapping somebody. Heck these bad boys almost got me fired, because I saw them at work and almost slapped my manager.

I would sell my car to buy these wheels, but then I wouldn't have anything to put them on. Or....... I guess I could put them on my Maxima, it's 5 lug. Hmmmmmm.......

Yeah, it's definitely a good idea to go 5 lug eventually, and wheels like that are inspiration to get it done. haha... But like I said, if you're slowly building on a budget, there are far more important things to build up right first, and you can find some pretty decent wheels to replace the stock ones in the meantime. I'll go 5 lug eventually... probably be one of the last things I do though.

[Phlip]

panties dont drop for 16 studs

Panties don't drop for 20 either, not that either of those facts have SHIT to do with this thread.


Topic; please stick to it

[MURPHY]

it takes more effort and money to get baller 4 lug wheels, although they are around. i added it up, and i got 5 lug and MB weapons (read: shit) with tires for less than sportmaxes + tires. rofl.
foreals? i can get them for 359.00 (15's) shipped or 16's for 404 shipped.

in my opinion... i have no idea. i have 5 lug rear 4 lug front haha.

[A Spec Products]

Four lug is doable and the "cheaper" way short term

But five lug opens up many more doors and is a better long term choice

And its a much more ATTRACTIVE future with five lug

These days bolt on 5 lug kits are dirt cheap anyway

And 4 lug choices are limited...very limited

If you say it costs too much to go 5 lug, then you should just save more money

Or just keep rollin on steelies

*edit* after rereading your post, what the heck are you doing getting SR before suspension? lol

youre going backwards...should be SUSPENSION FIRST, #1 priority, way before SR.....if you had taken the money you spent on SR, you could have got coilovers, wheels, tires, 5 lug, tension rods, and possibly brakes (with money to spare)

and if you say, well my stock KA blew or was garbage blah blah, you couldve just bought a KA for a couple hundred, put that in, got it running, then gone the route i listed above

who cares about power if your car is 4x4 and cannot handle? no hate just keeping it in perspective

[Gjohnson7]

*edit* after rereading your post, what the heck are you doing getting SR before suspension? lol

youre going backwards...should be SUSPENSION FIRST, #1 priority, way before SR.....if you had taken the money you spent on SR, you could have got coilovers, wheels, tires, 5 lug, tension rods, and possibly brakes (with money to spare)

and if you say, well my stock KA blew or was garbage blah blah, you couldve just bought a KA for a couple hundred, put that in, got it running, then gone the route i listed above

who cares about power if your car is 4x4 and cannot handle? no hate just keeping it in perspective


I totally agree with you about suspension and bakes before power, but my story is a little different. I just picked up this car about 3 weeks ago. I bought the car for cheap, because it had rod knock on the SR. After disassembling the engine, I found out that it had spun 2 bearings and it needs a new crank.

[420sx]

because the previous owner let it starve on oil. let me guess, massive front seal leak.


i got exactly same car, hatch, red, redtop, spun bearings and need a crank in the shop right now, we gonna replace some stuff and get it running soon

[mrmephistopheles]

You're being shortsighted and need to do more research.

If you already have the Z32 rear hubs, you've got the ebrake assembly as well - bolt that shit on.

If you're concerned about not being able to afford suspension, save up more.
It's not like you'll NEVER end up being able to buy suspension, it's a matter of having the patience and forethought to plan, save, and purchase what you truly want, instead of what gets you modded faster.

[lilredstiffy]

never buy sportlines

if you don't have enough money to do a 5 lug swap, just keep saving. if you ever want to buy any wheels for your car your choices are shit shit shit with 4 lug.

regardless
First purchase should be coilovers. save up or ask for a raise at the waffle house

[Gjohnson7]

Well, it's not that I don't want coilovers. I'm just not sure if I will actually be able to take advantage of them. Like I said before, our roads around here are really bad, but my biggest problem is my driveway. All the homes in my neighborhood have a curb at about a 70 degree angle that you must clear to get onto the driveway. My current DD is 2000 maxima. It is completely stock with stock suspension and I have to hit my driveway one wheel at time to make sure I don't drag the front end. I would love to rock coilovers and lower my car about 2-3 inches or more, but I don't think she would be a garage princes any more. And I'm sure I would have to ditch the pignose lip too! I guess we will see.

Oh, and just because I said that I'm trying to build this car on a budget doesn't mean I'm broke. I just have other priorites that come first, like buying a few investment properties, my mortgage, wife and 2 kids. You know the normal crap.

[Jonnie Fraz]

Here ya go...Sell the blown up SR, pick up a running KA for cheep, buy your coils, and be out rocking your car. My buddy is doing his five lug swap now because the wheels he wants are five lug, and to get them in the offsets that he wanted would have raised the price to almost as high as wheels + coversion. Sounds like if you keep going with the five lug you will have a sweet car to look at...if you stay four lug you will have a fun car to drive.

[Edgar]

I'm very poor when it comes to having to cough up some money to get a nice complete 5 lug swap. But at the same time they're are ways that one can manage without having 5 lug. The number of wheels options that you have with 5 lug is awesome but at the same time if you can spend your money on something that is more important then do so.
I agree panties dont come down with 4 lug but its just enough.

[Gjohnson7]

This is what I was talking about, sorry it's a crappy cell phone pic............
http://memimage.cardomain.net/member_images/12/web/2664000-2664999/2664385_44_full.jpg

[oneviaman]

ive had a 5 lug swap laying around for like a year, only thing is i live in failorida. so people around here still thing that like 8in wide with +doo doo=awesome town.

that and decent rims cost more all all fuk sake and shipping is a nut.

when the right wheels come along its gonna be time to add 4 extra studs.

[Gjohnson7]

never buy sportlines

if you don't have enough money to do a 5 lug swap, just keep saving. if you ever want to buy any wheels for your car your choices are shit shit shit with 4 lug.

regardless
First purchase should be coilovers. save up or ask for a raise at the waffle house


Ok, if I decided to hold off on wheels all together right now. Does anyone know were I can pick up some 4 lug spacers for cheap. To clear the Z32 hubs, I would need at least 10mm spacers.

Now, if I pick up coilovers instead of a spring and shock combo, any suggestions. Keep in mind I don't drift. This will be a Daily driver and I might make it out to a road course a few times a year.

I forgot my cousin just opened a wheel store, I might be able to get the hook up.

[lilredstiffy]

That driveway isn't too bad, you can make it up those with a really low car

this should be your approach angle spaceman

http://members.cox.net/walton90/approach.jpg

[Gjohnson7]

Ok, well I am considering taking the plunge and picking up coilovers. Again I might just rock some stock 7 spoke wheels with spacers for a while. I was looking at a few of the options and what would be the best for a daily driver?

Tein Basics
D2's
or Ksports (I saw a post somewhere that they are using better seals and componets and should last a great deal longer)

[Phlip]

That driveway isn't too bad, you can make it up those with a really low car

this should be your approach angle spaceman

http://members.cox.net/walton90/approach.jpg

I agree with this post, my driveway is worse than yours (I can take a pic when I get home) and I have to approach and exit at a similar angle, and getting IN the driveway requires that I pull into my front yard, then back into the drive.

[koukimonster139]

There are more options and arguments on either side of this now.
Elitists will tell you that 5-lug is your ONLY option, they're being short sighted and residually ignorant fuckers, some of them will show off these facts in the posts that follow, they always do... There are MORE wheel options when you DO go with the 5-lug, but the number of good size/offset 4-lug wheels is going up all the time. There is that pain in the ass of redrilling the rotors, but when compared to other options, and the cost/effort of switching to the 5-lug as it were, perhaps it is less of a hassle to you.
The deal breaker, here; is cost, when you switch to 5-lug you MUST get new (or new to you) wheels, and usually tires with that... If you have an open line on wheels that will fit on the brakes and will not cost you an arm and a testicle, and the free/cheap cost will afford you the benefit of coils instead of sportlines, by all means stay with the 4-luggers for now.



mmmmhmmmmmmm

[Gjohnson7]

Ok, screw it. I've decided to spend the extra cash on myself and do the 5 lug conversion, new wheels and coils. I figure I deserve it, I just paid off the wife's trailblazer and bought the kids a new bedroom set.

So, can anyone give me some help on the coilover decision. Would it be worth the extra $400 or more to pick up the Stance coilovers over the others listed?

Ok, well I am considering taking the plunge and picking up coilovers. Again I might just rock some stock 7 spoke wheels with spacers for a while. I was looking at a few of the options and what would be the best for a daily driver?

Tein Basics
D2's
or Ksports (I saw a post somewhere that they are using better seals and componets and should last a great deal longer)

[C. Senor]

gawd yes, totally worth the extra money for the stances. but that's my personal opinion and as you'll come to find it's mostly everyone else's too...lol. i wish i had the cash to go 5 lug and buy new wheels....damn you. lol. seriously though stances are awesome.

[Gjohnson7]

Well, I saw thread in the advertised specials and I'm waiting on a qoute for the Stances. I didn't realize that the $400 difference between the coilovers was MSRP on the stances and zilvia hook up on the other brands. Maybe, a group deal price can help close that gap some.

[EroGori]

I run stance and I like them just fine. Much better than my GR2/espelir spring combo, and I like them better than the KSports and Megans I have ridden on in S13's. i didn't like the tein basics so much when i drove my friend's civic either.

[SexPanda]

I personally dont think its worth it. 5 lugs mean more wheel options, but there are alot of real nice rims out there for 4 lug setups. All the money spent on the conversion could go towards something that could actually help your cars performance. A JWT ecu is only a few bucks more than the price of a 5 lug set. But if you have the money, go for it.

[DOOK]

I am rocking D2s right now, but stance GR + pros are on the agenda next winter. oh yeah, since you already have the rear 5 lug hub with ebrake, all you need to buy are the front conversion hubs which you can get for 210 dollars shipped from one of our vendors here on the site, and some new front rotors. If you're really crunched for cash, pick up a set of junkyard rotors and resurface them for the time being. I am still 4 lug but won't be for long, It's killing me not having as big a variety in the wheel selection arena :D.