F-ing interior woes...

[ixfxi]

God knows how many days and hours me and the body shop have already put into stripping the sound deadening AND dynamat from my bare S13 hatch.

I wanted to make a post to let everyone know, stay the fuck away from dynamat - its the fucking devil of sound deadeners and is one of the biggest pains in the anus to remove.

Headlamps and taillamps use similar adhesive material, so I'm pretty familiar and skilled in removing and working with the stuff. I know that you can ball up the butyl rubber adhesive and sometimes it will stick to itself and come off. In the case of the OE sound deadener, I know that certain parts lift and peel off.. while other parts should be frozen (with dry ice) and SMASHED off in sections.

However, dynamat.. no matter what you do with it, is just a big sticky fucking mess. I recall coming back to my car on really hot days and seeing how certain areas would have a bit of ooze or sludge running down from a dynamatted panel - that stuff comes off if you wipe it with say, some WD40. It doesnt wipe off super easy, but a small section can be cleaned without much complaining.

Now, imagine that being done to your entire car, including all seams and crevices. I'm removing pieces of OE sound deadener, pieces of dynamat which runs into seams, and pieces of the OE seam sealer which is also another pain for sure.

So far the ONLY way the dynamat has come off is with extreme heat, about 180-200F seems to melt it down to a form which can be wiped off. Then spraying the residue with WD40 wipes the panel completely clean.

Tomorrow I will be busting the Dry Ice technique to see whether or not the dynamat is effected by it. However, I'm curious... has anyone here sprayed the interior of their car with Rhino Liner or a similar bed liner? I was originally just going to go with a stripped and painted interior appearance, but I am contemplating Rhino Liner since its obviously durable and at the same time, has some sound deadening qualities.

Either way, if anyone has pics of their interior with rhino liner.. post up. Also, does the interior have any particular smell after being coated with that shit?

Advise............

[ixfxi]

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d134/skylinekin/september27240pics010.jpg

agh... above car isnt mine, but heres a pic of an example of what im talking about. this guy installed dynamat everywhere. i didnt go this wild, but a lot of the rear hatch was covered. getting this shit off is an absolute mess.

seriously - i pray no one ever has to do this. i cant believe that i am actually close to being done in getting that shit OUT of my car. if i wasnt so fucking stubborn and full of pride, i would take a trip to home depot and hire someone to do this shitty work for me. but then ide have to call myself a pussy, because i believe that real men work on their own cars and undo their own fuckups - regardless of how time consuming and tedious it is. i installed the dynamat, then im the one whos gonna have to remove it.

either way. dont ever do it............ ever ever ever......... ever ever ever, install that shit in your car. it doesnt make your car quiet, it just makes it look like shit and piss you off so much, you wake up and rant at 5am on zilvia.

[projectRDM]

Sandblast that chit.

I did the bedliner in my car, from the footwells all the way back to the tail panel, up to the roof pillars and on both sides of the rear deck, covering the entire floorpan, rockers, transmission tunnel, insides of the quarters, everything. Basically every square inch. Before doing so I spent three hours taping off all the exposed holes, from bolt holes not being used to all the weird swiss cheese holes in panels, that way the liner covered it and eliminated any sign there ever was a hole except the ones being used. Sadly the two dozen pics I took afterwards did not turn out, the camera was screwed up and they didn't store on the card. I mainly did it for sound deadening as well as insulation, and it looked great when it was done. With the interior back in there's a noticeable decrease in road noise, but I plan to go back with a 10yd roll of sound padding and stuff the quarters and lay layers under the carpet/seats and behind panels for even more.
In your application, just as a final product with no interior, it would look equally good doing it my way and taping up everything, or even building panels to cover larger holes before final spraying. I paid $800 to do mine, a little steep, but they did an incredible job with perfect cut lines everywhere and not a bit of overspray on anything.

[fromxtor]

Here ya go Mike, http://www.zilvia.net/f/showthread.php?t=121995&highlight=rhino+liner
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y32/DJPimpFlex/New%20Car/W9.jpg
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y32/DJPimpFlex/New%20Car/240sx524.jpg

I will also be spraying just the floor of my hatch w/ rhino liner. May help with exhaust heat and heel slippage.

[420sx]

hmm rhinoliner is the shit and its not a heavy material so will be alot better than dynomat.

[ThatGuy]

I've been considering going the Rhino Liner route when I strip my interior as well. What do you guys think of Lizard Skin though? Any advantages over Rhino Liner?

http://www.lizardskin.com/

[Unholy S14]

rhino liner ftw

[pr0tus]

If you think that stuff is hard to get off, spray in bedliners only come off with a grinder. If you are worried about smell check around for the scented types that some places offer, you can get it in flavors like cherry. I don't know about Rhino liner, but the product I spray for a living "Scorpion Liner" is very similar to other spray in bedliners, and it lets off a bad smell for a good while after being sprayed. It isn't very pleasant at all, but it should go away eventually as it cures.

[kognition]

I remember Dynamat from my audio days, not only is it expensive (or it was then), but that stuff is like Fing tar glue!
Don't sandblast it , it will probably just make a useless mess. I would probably scrape off as much as i could with a scraper and a heat shrink gun (substitute gun with hot summer day) and then get some old bath towels you don't need, and a can of mineral spirits (paint thinner) and soak one section at a time. Then
rub it out with the towels so it sticks to them. You'll get it out. It could soften the paint, but not a big deal.
Rhino Liner, you know the Frontier comes factory with a protective coating, i love that stuff! Good luck man. :D

[ixfxi]

Thank god the newbies have kept their mouths shut in this thread and I got responses from the people I actually wanted to hear from, thanks to the above for the good advice.

There are several pros and cons to each that need to be considered.

With paint:
- More of a professional restoration as it shows you went the extra length to properly paint the interior and exterior of your car
- Quality of paint shows attention to detail, whereas rhino liner isnt as difficult to apply. Good paint work always gets attention, regardless if it gets covered with carpet (if i do or if i dont).. a quick flip of the carpet shows the attention to detail.
- Paint is easily sanded should I need to weld or color change, etc.. its not as permanent
- Its obviously the lightest of the bunch

With Rhino Liner:
- Sounds like its easier to shoot and apply
- Offers sound deadening and insulating qualities
- Is obviously insanely durable, should I throw a wheel or four back there
- Offers grip so I dont need carpet or floormats
- Offers rust prevention

The reality is, when I get the car back and running.. the floorboard and tunnel will get scolding hot when driven for long times. Ultimately, I'll probably end up running the carpet for the front section of the car and leave the back empty. Like Russ, I also had plans to use the insulating foil material thats typically used in the firewall area to not only cut out sound, but also cut out heat. Honestly, I think this stuff is the BEST and ONLY alternative for folks wanting to cutout noise and properly insulate their cars. Dynamat is stereo-marketed GARBAGE.

What a lot of people dont understand, is that when you drive a completely stripped car in the heat.. its gets fucking hot, which is easily understandable. However, when its cold.. ALL the cold from outside condensates inside the cabin of the car and your windshield and ALL windows will fog up like hell. I ran a few years with no AC and no defroster, its not fun folks. rainy days are simply impossible to drive. DONT mention rain-x, that shit is SO useless. Its good for basic misting, WILL not keep real humidity off of your windows - i tried it - i know.

So I've got some considering to do.. theres gotta be a balance in getting the car stripped but still driveable in extreme cold or hot conditions. What do racecars use to keep condensation OUT of their vehicles? Do they have an AC type system that dehumidifies the interior of the car?

thanks bishes,
Mike

[ThatGuy]

Mike, your comments on heat are what lead me to Lizard Skin over Rhino Lining. They sell a ceramic coating for interiors as well as the sound deadening. I just don't know if it's worth it. The testimonials on the site sound good, but who would honestly put up bad testimonials? :keke:

[chmercer]

why would you spend that much time pulling out the sound deadening?

http://www.sillbeer.com/images/interior/dynamat-floor1.jpg

ILL.

wish my whole car was covered in 3 layers of dynamat. mercedes 240sx.

[backroadtouge]

What a lot of people dont understand, is that when you drive a completely stripped car in the heat.. its gets fucking hot, which is easily understandable. However, when its cold.. ALL the cold from outside condensates inside the cabin of the car and your windshield and ALL windows will fog up like hell. I ran a few years with no AC and no defroster, its not fun folks. rainy days are simply impossible to drive. DONT mention rain-x, that shit is SO useless. Its good for basic misting, WILL not keep real humidity off of your windows - i tried it - i know.

So I've got some considering to do.. theres gotta be a balance in getting the car stripped but still driveable in extreme cold or hot conditions. What do racecars use to keep condensation OUT of their vehicles? Do they have an AC type system that dehumidifies the interior of the car?

thanks bishes,
Mike

aha i know what you mean, me and a friend over winter built a corrolla. fully gutted, lexan windows (we later added a slider-window on the driver side so some breeze could get into that oven) and only thing to cool us was a osolating car fan... sucked. so hot. And that was in spring too, so it was a little oven, insanly loud little oven.
but ya we did a even cheaper bed liner spray from like autozone i think. same thing, we just did it ourselves. if you want to gut your car, and not have to paint it, there is no substitute to that stuff, truck bed liner ftmfw!!
needless to say he sold that car, and got a into a sr'd s14 with a/c and full interior.

and yes, alot of race cars have a/c. when i got to race a corvette, even though it was all done up, we blasted the a/c on high! annndddd alot of the Le Mans cars, like the lambos and other gt cars, would use the a/c and helmet coolers to keep drivers happy and windows un fogged. in fact running a/c systems helps because of some restrictions on the motors. a/c off at night ment more horsepower!

[ixfxi]

http://www.sillbeer.com/images/interior/dynamat-floor1.jpg

ILL.
why would you spend that much time pulling out the sound deadening?
wish my whole car was covered in 3 layers of dynamat. mercedes 240sx.

i wish i could shove this cars interior up your ass. ;)

[Full-Lock]

my whole interior is dynomated, i love it. i can barely hear my catback and can carry on a conversation no problem.

[shinhed]

i wish i could shove this cars interior up your ass. ;)

I wish I could watch you do it:rawk:

[fromxtor]

I've go the hook-up when it comes to Rhino Lining, my buddy does it himself and only charges $275. But since he moved back to SC it's a little harder to convince him to come do both my car and truck.I'm sure if Barry, Myself and a few guys from work wanted to get it done it would be worth his while.

Mike, thats why I kept the "heat" aspect of my car. I can keep my feet warm in the winter and defrost the windshield if needed.I did remove the A/C though, maybe use some of that gold heat foil in the tranny tunnel and behind the turbo area.

[420sx]

full interiors? what the fuck, is this a bmw forum?


dont get me wrong, but if you have a car you run and track, you dont need interior or sound deadening, that is what a DAILY driver is for. pussies

[ixfxi]

my whole interior is dynomated, i love it. i can barely hear my catback and can carry on a conversation no problem.

let me guess, your whole interior is dynamated AND, you still have a full interior, right?

because if you read what i wrote above, I had dynamat with a stripped interior, and it didnt do anything to keep my car more quiet than stock. I mean, its just personal opinion and all.. but I think dynamat is a waste of time.

either way, i've decided to go with the painted interior and focus on that. then, if i decide to install parts of the interior, i'll look into insulating that particular section of the car.

thanks for the advice, konichiwa...... bishes!

[Koopa Troopa]

full interiors? what the fuck, is this a bmw forum?


dont get me wrong, but if you have a car you run and track, you dont need interior or sound deadening, that is what a DAILY driver is for. pussies

Wait, daily drivers are suppose to have interiors? :doh:

[420sx]

lol. i dailied my track car for a loooong time

[Koopa Troopa]

Hell my friend's only driver.. a 32 GTR.. 50/50 Atessa, 2 way diff rear, 2.5 way front, no power steering, no a/c... Only thing in the interior is a dashboard, 2 seats and a roll cage....

Ever drive a 32GTR with no powersteering and full 4wd? Well he no longer has to do arms at the gym anymore... LMAO

[Full-Lock]

ya, my old s14 was stripped out. but it got so annoying when i would daily drive it, i just put it all back in. i just wanted dynomat for sound deadening, no road noise at all. as quiet as an expensive sedan

[wonkuuzenki]

full interiors? what the fuck, is this a bmw forum?


dont get me wrong, but if you have a car you run and track, you dont need interior or sound deadening, that is what a DAILY driver is for. pussies

werd.

Fckinmsglth

[ixfxi]

Hell my friend's only driver.. a 32 GTR.. 50/50 Atessa, 2 way diff rear, 2.5 way front, no power steering, no a/c... Only thing in the interior is a dashboard, 2 seats and a roll cage....

Ever drive a 32GTR with no powersteering and full 4wd? Well he no longer has to do arms at the gym anymore... LMAO

its not that bad. both my cars have no power steering.

tell him to dump the resevoir and hoses, drain the rack.. it will be easy to drive.

[crozzover69]

WOW! Thanks for the heads up bro. I was contemplating doing a bit of this to my car, but now ..................Hell nah :nono: . I get the small dynamats for like 7 bucks and the big pieces for like 15 cause I work @ Best BUY, so it would have been cheap for me. A thing I'd like to point out is that this shit is heavy, I mean if your just trying to civilize your car cause of old ass-sound insulation that's one thing, but carrying an extra 10-40 pounds, no? Anyway, I do not want to f***k with the sticky glue, so its loud ass exhaust and squeaks from now on lol.

[Koopa Troopa]

its not that bad. both my cars have no power steering.

tell him to dump the resevoir and hoses, drain the rack.. it will be easy to drive.

I'm sure one of your cars is the car mentioned above too (I'm not saying this with my head up your ass, just saying that if you havn't driven a 32 GTR there's not much room to talk. Might as well drive a bus with no powersteering because they turn just the same. :rofl:)

He did, a 32GTR isn't a S chasis car it's a bit heavier and carries a little more weight but all in all. If you remove the power steering and still keep the hydraulic rack you have to still keep fluid in the rack or you will wear the rack out prematurely.

What I have been told to do when removing the power steering is to t off the return line on the rack and run a catch can to it so that the rack can vent while still maintaining the fluid in the rack.

[420sx]

drifting with no ps is fucking gay. i got a ps cooler and it makes miracles. total cost like 30 bucks

[chmercer]

yeah taking p/s off is retarded as hell

[Koopa Troopa]

Some of us don't drift.....

[tacotacotaco]

http://www.quietcoat.com/index.html

never used seen or previously heard of it. Just an fyi

[ixfxi]

I'm sure one of your cars is the car mentioned above too (I'm not saying this with my head up your ass, just saying that if you havn't driven a 32 GTR there's not much room to talk. Might as well drive a bus with no powersteering because they turn just the same. :rofl:)

He did, a 32GTR isn't a S chasis car it's a bit heavier and carries a little more weight but all in all. If you remove the power steering and still keep the hydraulic rack you have to still keep fluid in the rack or you will wear the rack out prematurely.

What I have been told to do when removing the power steering is to t off the return line on the rack and run a catch can to it so that the rack can vent while still maintaining the fluid in the rack.

dude get off the pedestal, i dont need to hear bullshit.

i've ran both cars for YEARS without fluid in the PS racks, no problems. just because the car is heavier, doesnt mean its impossible or super difficult to drive without PS. all you need to do is *completely* drain the rack so that its not pushing fluid back and fourth. then, simply cover the rack's ports and you're done - simple as that.

either way, you guys can sit here and debate as to whether or not you want power steering, thats fine.. do this in your own thread on your own time. in my lifetime atleast, i chose not to be a pussy because i dont mind using a bit of strength to turn the wheel. there are many cars in the old days, that didnt have PS.. and there are still cars today that dont have PS (very few, of course)..

homos

[1Via!]

Whether youre drifting or not, taking off your PS is stupid. We know these things.

Why would you take it off?

[Ninjabread]

Some of us don't drift.....

Apparently you don't park your car either...

[ixfxi]

homo #1) Whether youre drifting or not, taking off your PS is stupid. We know these things. Why would you take it off?

In the bizarro world, idiots like me takeoff power steering because we understand that in the real world, there are advantages to having a MANUAL steering setup. Here's a few reasons, should you consider to grow some balls:
- Its not much harder than any *manly* car that has power steering or steering assist, such as Porsche or BMWs. IMO, most Japanese cars suffer from EXCESSIVE power steering, which takes away useable driver feedback.
- Driver feedback, something that people who drive their cars at the limit typically care about. When pushing a PS car to the limit, your rear tires are the main indicators of traction slippage. When driving a car with manual steering, as soon as you run over water you feel the steering wheel get light. This is a great notice should you run over oil, water, gravel, etc.. as it lets you know BEFORE your rear tires. Not to mention, it also gives you immediate feedback as to your tire pressure.
- Eliminates weight and clutter in your engine bay, makes things look good - like back in the day when cars were hardcore (unlike nowadays).
- Makes your car gay-proof. Homos are scared to drive the car, so are pussy thieves. Since real men have dignitity and dont steal eachothers cars, it significantly reduces the chances of your car getting stolen by a faggot.


Homo #2) Apparently you don't park your car either...

Oh gosh, parking at the mall can be so troublesome and difficult Martha! However will I park a car with manual steering! BOO FUCKING HOO.

Just a reminder, the original NSX and Miata came WITHOUT power steering. I dont see small asian NSX owners complaining, and I dont hear GIRLS and HOMOS who drive Miatas complaining.

Now sure, the rack ratio is a bit lower.. which helps a tiny bit, but honest. Ask yourself, have you ever been to the gym before? Fuck that, have you ever lifted something heavy before? Can you unbolt your wheel? Did you do your own motor swap?

Answer: quit being a bitch.

[mrmephistopheles]

Answer: quit being a bitch.

Hey pot, stop calling kettles black. :keke: :ghey:

[ixfxi]

Hey pot, stop calling kettles black. :keke: :ghey:

sorry. my marriage is just a cover up.

[Koopa Troopa]

dude get off the pedestal, i dont need to hear bullshit.

i've ran both cars for YEARS without fluid in the PS racks, no problems. just because the car is heavier, doesnt mean its impossible or super difficult to drive without PS. all you need to do is *completely* drain the rack so that its not pushing fluid back and fourth. then, simply cover the rack's ports and you're done - simple as that.

either way, you guys can sit here and debate as to whether or not you want power steering, thats fine.. do this in your own thread on your own time. in my lifetime atleast, i chose not to be a pussy because i dont mind using a bit of strength to turn the wheel. there are many cars in the old days, that didnt have PS.. and there are still cars today that dont have PS (very few, of course)..

homos

I like you. :bigok:

[sideview_180sx]

damn its great to have you back mike........

[ixfxi]

damn its great to have you back mike........

can someone PLEASE smash the persons face who wrote this?

06-25-2007 09:23 PM youve got less than 1000 posts and have been a member for about a year.. STFU noob

seriously....... noob? NOOB?

haha this reminds me of the dave chappelle skit (black white supremecist) "did he just call us "n*ggers..? AWESOME!"

please.. if you have the balls to leave rep on someone, atleast sign that shit. (dont ask me to become a premium member, me yelling at newbies is payment enough.. thanks)

[WERDdabuilder]

redsilvia used duplicolor bed liner spray autozone.
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d53/reds14tennis/2007_0618stephencar0002.jpg
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d53/reds14tennis/2007_0618stephencar0001.jpg
(sorry for using your pic red..ill remove if you want)

ill most likely be doing this when i clean my trunk.

ixfxi - was your heel hot as fack when you drove around wit the dynamat down there?

lets stay on topic people(ie Koopa Troopa)

[420sx]

drifting with no PS sucks.

im not a bitch or a "girly man" and i dont mind DRIVING a car with no PS. but when it comes to DRIFTING i want my powersteering.

daily driving with no PS is just fine, never bothered me. but we are talking about two different sides of the fence here

[projectRDM]

can someone PLEASE smash the persons face who wrote this?

06-25-2007 09:23 PM youve got less than 1000 posts and have been a member for about a year.. STFU noob

seriously....... noob? NOOB?

haha this reminds me of the dave chappelle skit (black white supremecist) "did he just call us "n*ggers..? AWESOME!"

please.. if you have the balls to leave rep on someone, atleast sign that shit. (dont ask me to become a premium member, me yelling at newbies is payment enough.. thanks)

Classic. Mike and I were shit talking on the old amarok list back in 1996. He's almost more of a veteran than anyone on this list, and probably owned a 240 before half these kids were even born.

I love the irony.

[ixfxi]

drifting with no PS sucks.

im not a bitch or a "girly man" and i dont mind DRIVING a car with no PS. but when it comes to DRIFTING i want my powersteering.

daily driving with no PS is just fine, never bothered me. but we are talking about two different sides of the fence here

i really cant comment on that.

all i can say is that there is an increased amount of effort needed to turn the wheel, its not watery like stock, yet it can still be easily turned with 1 hand (or my penis)

friends have never complained that it was a bitch to drive or borrow my car, they enjoyed driving it around causing ruckus. if you are a "drift-r" then my advise is, you should consider sliding with more precision and less correction. i see videos of people whipping the wheel back and fourth like they're trying to tame a fuckin dragon with a limp dick - thats no way to drift. you can pull off the same maneuvers with precision and skill, period.

either way, if you guys are going to comment on it.. drive a car thats been properly converted with an empty fucking rack. if you're pushing fluid back and fourth, you're an idiot and shouldnt be working on cars. theres NO reason to have fluid in the rack.

ps: russ owns.

[shinhed]

Have ever done a side by side comparison with Rhino Liner and Line-X? Line-X is far superior in texture and I hear, durability. I was gonna Line-X my interior but, that project got scraped.