Cars Crushed in Street Racing Crackdown

[RJF]

Cars Crushed in Street Racing Crackdown
Wednesday, June 20, 2007

By GREG RISLING, Associated Press Writer

RIALTO, Calif. —

Charles Hoang winced when the whoosh went out of the tires. Daniel Maldonado took pictures with a digital camera as glass exploded and rained down to the ground.

The cars the teens had so meticulously souped up and tricked out were crushed Wednesday as part of a crackdown on illegal street racing in Southern California.

"That's my heart, my dream," said Hoang, 18, of Chino, who was surrounded by friends as his 1998 Acura Integra was put into a compactor. "That's my girlfriend, the love of my life. The cops can crush my car, but they can't crush my memories."

Authorities destroyed six vehicles Wednesday at an auto graveyard, hoping would-be racers think again after looking at the mashed machines. Illegal street racing is responsible for or suspected in 13 deaths in Southern California since March.

The thrill-seeking, adrenaline-pumping activity is rampant in Riverside and San Bernardino counties east of Los Angeles where rows of tract homes line wide streets that attract racers.

Nearly 1,000 people _ drivers and spectators _ have been arrested for investigation of street racing activities over the past two years in San Bernardino County alone. Police need a court order to destroy the cars. They must prove that the serial or identification numbers on a vehicle or its parts are removed, altered or destroyed.

Police said they have managed to reduce illegal racing and related fatal collisions, but know the underground hobby still thrives.

"We are making a dent," said Ontario police Cpl. Jeff Higbee. "But it's summertime and ... we expect to see more activity."

Hoang said he was caught late last year racing his prized car, on which he spent at least $10,000 to get into top shape. The 350-horsepower engine topped out at 160 mph, Hoang said, swearing it could beat a Corvette or even a Ferrari.

When police popped open the hood, Hoang said, they found a stolen transmission. Hoang flashed a receipt for the transmission he bought from his father who runs an auto shop and doubted the item was hot.

"Everything on that car was practically brand new," Hoang said as he watched his car get moved to auto death row. "They should take out the stuff that matters, auction it off, and give the money to charity."

Because racers put heavy stress on their vehicles, they often burn out or blow up parts. Higbee said the need for the expensive parts has created a "theft mill" where additional cars _ usually Hondas or Acuras _ are stolen and stripped of the necessary replacements.

Most of the cars police examine are illegally modified. Sergio Zavala, 18, was pulled over in his 1993 yellow Honda Civic for a broken tail light in December. He had purchased a B-20 Vtech engine with a double-overhead cam a couple months before, and after a police investigation, was told it was stolen.

Zavala, who admits he's been involved in street racing, estimates he and his mother spent about $10,000 on improvements to his car.

After watching his Civic demolished, Zavala is left without a car as he plans to attend a fire academy in the fall.

"It's heartbreaking to see this," said Zavala, who graduated from high school last week. "This is where all my time and money went."

Maldonado also said he put plenty of time and effort working on his 1992 black Honda Civic. He was stopped in November by police in what Higbee described as an area where racers gather.

The 18-year-old mechanic said a vehicle identification sticker apparently fell off and without it, police suspected some of the parts were stolen. Maldonado stood several feet away from his car as it was pounded into a heap of metal.

Maldonado said he has taken the advice of police by racing legally on one of several race courses around Southern California. For the money spent in fines and other penalties _ on average about $5,000 for illegally modified cars _ Higbee said street racers could compete about 250 times a year at a legitimate track.

"If you have to race, take it to a legal venue," Higbee said. "But as long as they keep racing illegally, we keep crushing their cars."

All three men who saw their vehicles destroyed said they believe illegal street racing will continue to prosper across the region.

"It will never go away," Maldonado said. "If it's in your heart, you will continue to do it until you can't anymore."

Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

[Rkesh88]

I'd be crushed if that happened to my 240. pun intended.

[ThatGuy]

Here's an idea, leave the dumbass street racers inside the cars when you crush them! Unfortunately it still wouldn't work. There would just be another dumb fuck to step into their place.

[BustedS13]

California - The Police State :)

[sw20>>s14]

Zavala, who admits he's been involved in street racing, estimates he and his mother spent about $10,000 on improvements to his car.

:keke:

ajfdjakjdjfj

[Matej]

Let's crush this kid's car so now that he's out of money and out of a car, he has a reason to really go steal one along with parts for it.

[SochBAT]

I bid thee farewell.

I'll admit, i never had the balls to street race. Yea, car comparisons here and there on boondock roads, but nothing like the native scene.

Mainly because i was low on gas all the time.

[IIIXziuR]

They really should strip the cars and use the $ for charity like the kid said. That would be nice.
But crushing them into metal cubes works just fine!
This would never happen to me since I drive like an old man.
Well, I hope not at least.

[drift freaq]

California - The Police State :)

ya and if you truly believe that your dumber than I thought. :D

You don't live here so get off the hate bandwagon.

[fliprayzin240sx]

If your car is fixed up....YOU ARE A STREET RACER!!! God I love that mentality.

[nrg]

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/launchPage.html?062007/062007_hunt_cars&What%20a%20Drag&FNL&California%20cops%20want%20to%20crush%20illegal%20 street%20racing...%20literally%21&US&-1&What%20a%20Drag&Video%20Launch%20Page&News
http://www.cbs2.com/video/[email protected]

[Nismoknightska-t]

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/launchPage.html?062007/062007_hunt_cars&What%20a%20Drag&FNL&California%20cops%20want%20to%20crush%20illegal%20 street%20racing...%20literally%21&US&-1&What%20a%20Drag&Video%20Launch%20Page&News (http://www.foxnews.com/video2/launchPage.html?062007/062007_hunt_cars&What%20a%20Drag&FNL&California%20cops%20want%20to%20crush%20illegal%20 street%20racing...%20literally%21&US&-1&What%20a%20Drag&Video%20Launch%20Page&News)
http://www.cbs2.com/video/[email protected]


gotta love that those videos..

crushing little honda..:hahano: :hahano:

[kouki_s14]

i bet they wouldnt crush a mustang

[Drift Motion]

http://www.cbs2.com/video/[email protected]


i just saw the exact video on TV
boo to street racers

[chlatboy]

Charles Hoang = Fail.

Did you see him at the end of hte second video? Kinda makes car enthusiast look bad. :(

[eastcoastS14]

wow what bullshit....Im not for street racing but seriously wtf...why dont they start crushing the cars of everyone who gets pulled over for drunk driving and really reduce some casualties

glad they havent started this horse shit on the east coast yet

[S14Josh]

If your car is fixed up....YOU ARE A STREET RACER!!! God I love that mentality.


Oh man, this reminds me of what happened to me last thursday. I was on my way home and i got pulled over by an undercover cop. He gets out and walks up to my car and says."You know why i pulled you over?"
I say"No sir, i cant really say that i do, to be honest"
He says, "You match the description of a street racer"
I say "Umm, that cant be possible, i dont street race. If you dont mind me asking what is the vehicle description your looking for?"
He says, "I dont see how that will help your situation, your in a lot of trouble, but i got a report of a 1993 Red 2 door Acura Integra racing around in this area"
I simply replied "Sir, my car is a 1996 Nissan 240sx"

He argued with me for a bit, then checked my vins and let me go.

but back on topic
I think crushing the car may be a little harsh to be honest...well, i can understand if they caught him in the act and has had previous run-ins with the police for the same situation. Then, i can understand where crushing the car is a resort to punishment.

[coreansurfer]

was the only one know noticed that they only crushed hondas?

[kuramaya]

Sounds like all their shit was stolen...

If the cops knew the shit was stolen, they must have known from where, and who's shit it was. So instead of destroying it, return it to the owners...fuckin dipshits...

[fliprayzin240sx]

Or better yet, just pull the stolen parts and return to the owner.

HELL, REALLY BETTER YET, give the whole car to the guy who got his shiet stolen.

[ALTRNTV]

...only to get it stolen again.

[Matej]

If you get something from a junkyard or buy it from someone else, will the police consider it stolen, if you can't really show any receipts or anything for it? Or does the part have to be reported stolen?

[BustedS13]

ya and if you truly believe that your dumber than I thought. :D

You don't live here so get off the hate bandwagon.

i don't have to deal with "referees", "fix it tickets", worrying about GETTING MY CAR CRUSHED if i happen to be speeding next to someone else who is speeding, carb laws, or any other such nonsense. just saying.

oh, and i can still carry my groceries in a plastic bag, unlike anybody in san fran

[longdy]

i hate life when the cops bust on ya like this... i never had to balls to street race alot either but damn have a nice car and racing it will only have 3 effects
1. respect
2. The fucken dicks in the city is looking to steal your car
3. get caught and fucken cry as your car is getting crushed!..

i keep my shit hidden away as much as possible...lol

[wangan_cruiser]

i bet they wouldnt crush a mustang



yea i bet they wouldnt crush any domestic street racing cars. thats practically racism act through cars.....lol

[status:one]

I am pretty sure that these two individuals were made an example of... now there will be a "word on the street" that if you do street race, your car will be crushed, essentially putting a stop to the entire street racing scene. Good stuff.

[!Zar!]

Funny they say take it to the track when they closed down the only track we had up here in norcal. LOLZ.

I think they'd crush any car. You guys are playing it like only imports are the victim. 5.0's are common and are just as common to be crushed.

They got what they deserved.

[blaze1]

So a crack head smokes crack and they send them to rehab....

A racer races cars and they.....crush his car

wheres the fairness about this, how about rounding up the kids and sending them to a track day...or a racing school... or something.

These kids need guidance not crushed cars...

But seriously, there's no stopping it.

Since the day they came off to assembly line, til they stop making cars...there will always be street racers...even after that there will be flying car racer, and teleportation racers.

[jeeper_x]

.....why don't we crush the stolen racing parts, so the thieves can steal some more?.....smart move?.......hmm, some punishments are just plain stupid....

[status:one]

So a crack head smokes crack and they send them to rehab....

A racer races cars and they.....crush his car

wheres the fairness about this, how about rounding up the kids and sending them to a track day...or a racing school... or something.

These kids need guidance not crushed cars...

But seriously, there's no stopping it.

Since the day they came off to assembly line, til they stop making cars...there will always be street racers...even after that there will be flying car racer, and teleportation racers.

It's more of a way to deter OTHERS from street racing rather than punishment. I'm sure the authorities were making the kids an example of what can happen to street racers. I am pretty sure the next time a dumbass kid runs out to the street races he will think twice about it in fear of his car being crushed. I think it's a great deterant.

[2slow2go]

hahah^ teleportation racers rofle.

but yahs i feel and bet they wouldnt crush like a gt500 while on the other hand old school skyline

[Kn1ves]

http://i113.photobucket.com/albums/n236/maze01/typer.jpg

Shoulda done that instead.

[status:one]

^^
LMAO :faint:

[S14DB]

I love how the reporters relate the stolen engines to illegal street racing. Like, if you had legal parts you're a Legal Street Racer?

If they can confirm by the VIN numbers that it is stolen then why aren't they returning the stolen property?

In my readings if you don't have the new VIN of the engine/trans registered with the state and have the form with the VIN and the Receipt in the car at all times you are guaranteed to get impounded during a VIN check.

I think the focus shouldn't be on street racing but on Cali and other states fucked up Seizure laws. Cause it sounds like none of the "racers" at this crushing were caught in the act of racing. In the article it notes that one was pulled over for a tail light violation and VIN checked.

[Farzam]

Seeing that blue hatch get crushed pissed me off.

[SochBAT]

[email protected] crack fiend comment.

I wish i could be given a free track day on CHP. That'd be badassery all over it.

Kinda like Bank Robber gets caught, give him money so he won't do it again.

Great thinking.

[exitspeed]

I think there's a lot of stone's being thrown by people that live in glass houses in this thread.

[Cashizslick]

I am pretty sure that these two individuals were made an example of... now there will be a "word on the street" that if you do street race, your car will be crushed, essentially putting a stop to the entire street racing scene. Good stuff.


They have a similar program to this in my old town.

If you were caught racing there, your car would be impounded and auctioned at an out of state auction w/in 2 weeks.

That put an end to the racing . . .


Organized street racing is stupid. The only street racing i'll do is if it happends on accident on the highway.

[the head]

I don't think this will do anything to deter street racing but it would sure as hell make me run from the cops a lot faster and with much more enthusiasem...I would guess you will see high speed chases increase because people will know the risks and figure "what the hell is the difference between me totalling my car while running from the cops and them crushing it" if you run you at least have a chance of keeping your car

[status:one]

I don't think this will do anything to deter street racing but it would sure as hell make me run from the cops a lot faster and with much more enthusiasem...I would guess you will see high speed chases increase because people will know the risks and figure "what the hell is the difference between me totalling my car while running from the cops and them crushing it" if you run you at least have a chance of keeping your car

I suppose it could go either way.

[kdashy]

That was a nice hatch.

Having a swapped honda in so cal is way risky.

[TheSquidd]

Great stopping street racers. Fantastic.

But any of you that live here KNOW that this means WE are also a target, whether we are racing or not, if you own a modified import in CA this affects you.

It's kind of like racial profiling.

[ixfxi]

OOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOH SHIT [email protected][email protected][email protected]?

I just saw the video of the blue civic, GYROMITE THAT BITCH! hahahahah dudes car got SMASHED like a lill goomba from super mario brothers... thats so fuckin badassed.

hehe that guy charles hoang man... hes fuckin hardcore. you saw his face? fuckin PISSED. he's like "cops... come into my house, take mah car... disrespect my [email protected][email protected][email protected] i aint gonna stop, gonna open up a shop...!"

Maldonado was especially badassed "hey holmes... thats my savings hey, fuckin 7 grand n shit. they crushed my 4 door love mobile holmes" hehehe just joking, dont hate on my accent.

serious.. its 7 grand, get over it. you fuck around and race on the streets, you ask for shit like this to happen. its like gambling, shit happens when you crap-out. want to be a real man? go race in the canyon. your dumbass doesnt have to worry about cops, or losing in a straight line race - all you have to have is a set of brass balls and the smarts not to die by flying off the canyon. if you're stupid (like the above guys), you'll slide your car off the canyon and die sooner than you'de get it impounded and crushed. its just a matter of being smart and practical.

i like how they SMASH and CRUSH the cars like a beercan. i know its a waste of money, but i think its great because the person CRIES when they see it get taken away and gang-raped by the crushing machine. these fags seriously have too much emotion involved with something thats just a piece of metal. serious, its a fucking car. go do somethign with your life and realize that you can always build another. no sense on crying about materialistic shit that 5 years from now, you can most likely build better than what you currently have.


Copyright 2007 The Associated Press. All rights reserved. This material may not be published, broadcast, rewritten or redistributed.

ahem? doesnt anyone else here read? ;)

[Yuri]

Hmm. I'm scared now.
Not because of street racing, I don't do it, but because my '74 Duster has rod knock, and I need a new engine. I was going to buy one from the junkyard and rebuild it, but now I'm afraid the Duster will get crushed because the vins won't match.

I guess cops are taking "numbers matching" beyond Barret-Jackson.


I'm totally against street racing, but this article doesn't actually say anyone was street racing, just that at one time or another the transmission or engine was replaced. How are the parts proven stolen?
And the cars got crushed based on this.
Something just isn't making sense here.
It seems that these methods could just as easily snare anyone who's a car enthusiast, not just racers and thieves.

Street racers and theives give everyone else who's into cars a bad reputation, but it's undeserved. The vast majority of car enthusiasts neither race or are thieving douchbags. Why should everyone else suffer?
Couldn't they have at least crushed cars that they caught racing?

Profiling everyone with a modified car as a street racer makes as much sense as arresting everyone with an old conversion van as a child molester.

[the head]

Profiling everyone with a modified car as a street racer makes as much sense as arresting everyone with an old conversion van as a child molester.

Actually that theory may have some merit to it.

[ixfxi]

Great stopping street racers. Fantastic.

But any of you that live here KNOW that this means WE are also a target, whether we are racing or not, if you own a modified import in CA this affects you.

It's kind of like racial profiling.

dude whatever.. quit making a big deal over nothing.

it works like this, anytime you have something that shows you have money, ie: expensive car - you will be a target. you'de almost be just as big of a target driving in a z06 corvette as you would a super fixed up 240sx.. because it shows you have money. showing that you have money means that you will get pulled over and cited, so that the government can TAKE your money, period.

when you have a lesser expensive fixed up car, the only additional thing they're worried about is that youre not gang related. christ, for years i drive a stripped down beercan of an s13 hatch with sr... i got pulled over countless times for shit like front license plate.. and CONSANTLY let go. they could cite me for exhaust and anything else theyde like, but it just goes to show how you treat the cop means a lot.

plus im white, which i hate saying.. but its fucked up and true. racial profiling does exist and its real. if youre looking for reasons to get fucked with, have color AND driving a fixed up car is not a good combination. not saying you shouldnt have a modified car, just saying it MAY have a slight role in the frequency of getting pulled over.

however, that still doesnt change the fact that how you deal with the cop is more important than how you look or what you drive. if youre an asshole and a jerk, you'll get owned.. one way or another.

[steve shadows]

Whats funny is that this is a report out of SOCAL and at the same time FOX NEWS was running video of the same story (crushing cars) they are talking about CLOSING LACR?!!?!?!

They are bashing "street racers" for racing on the street in the LA Basin and claiming they kill "SCORES" (which is total fucking bullshit, drugs people without work visas kill about 500% more), they are closing all the race tracks.

No more drag racing kids.

No more street racing either.

So what the fuck do they want us to do? Plug into the matrix pay taxes to supply people who dont even have visa with entitlement and welfare and then take away my ability to race legally without fear of prosecution.

Sorry If I live in Malubu for examplea nd dont want to drive to Ontario for drag racing (which btw is only available at CA speedway like every 2 months).

WTF?

If i ever get into office before gasoline is absolete i will go down in flames fighting this hypocritical beuracratic non-sense.

If the government will not pay to keep a legal track open they what do they expect? At the same time they are cutting money for race-tracks they are upping salaries for Police officers and staffing for street racing units as well as blowing millions on medi-cal and other crap that doesnt even benefit citizens or any tax payer.

Im up to here with the leve of hypocritical money laundering in this socalled "democracy"

we need better access for third party in this country. And everyone on here that is of voting age better sure as hell be voting.

I offically hate Fox News thanks to this story too. ( Street racing is the biggest problem in american youth in streets killing scores each year?)

lol




I think the focus shouldn't be on street racing but on Cali and other states fucked up Seizure laws. Cause it sounds like none of the "racers" at this crushing were caught in the act of racing. In the article it notes that one was pulled over for a tail light violation and VIN checked.



couldnt agree more with this either

[usdm180sx]

I just saw this on the front page of the LA Times. The article said that they crushed cars that were caught with with stolen engines or trannies.

I'm ALL for crushing cars that belong to people who steal or knowingly buy stolen parts and get caught street racing. What comes around goes around.

[steve shadows]

I just saw this on the front page of the LA Times. The article said that they crushed cars that were caught with with stolen engines or trannies.

I'm ALL for crushing cars that belong to people who steal or knowingly buy stolen parts and get caught street racing. What comes around goes around.

The same story was re-painted on Fox News as cars that were caught watching street racing or at the scene of illegal street races.

They did not mention a single thing about stolen parts etc.

Just that street racing kills scores of young people and is a huge threat to the average joe.

hence my rage.

I agree with you norm, about stolen parts, take it, crush it etc.

[blaze1]

[email protected] crack fiend comment.

I wish i could be given a free track day on CHP. That'd be badassery all over it.

Kinda like Bank Robber gets caught, give him money so he won't do it again.

Great thinking.


If you think about it will be cheaper for the state to just give him 300 bucks and tell him to fuck off then to keep him in jail for 2-5 years.

It cost like 30,000 a year to keep a person in jail, all tax money.

It cost money to transport and to crush a car, it cost money to start a big police task force to stop street racing.

How about the state opens up a track, or work with a event organizer to provide a cheap legal regular track days.... They did it with skateboarders, there's a skate park in just about every town. And people have been street racing for waaaay longer then skating.

[usdm180sx]

The same story was re-painted on Fox News as cars that were caught watching street racing or at the scene of illegal street races.

They did not mention a single thing about stolen parts etc.

Just that street racing kills scores of young people and is a huge threat to the average joe.

hence my rage.

I agree with you norm, about stolen parts, take it, crush it etc.


I just watched the video and they had lowriders and a hummer on hydraulics. wtf? How the f_ck do they street race? F_ckin' media stereotypes.

[Wei240]

yeah, i saw that too,
cops say go take it to the tracks

but tracks are becoming scarce and gone completely like lacr for drag and then kicking out drifting from other speedways,... talk about being hypocritical...

and the prices seem to jack up over time, especially drifting fees,..

you're less likely to get pulled over if you have an expensive fixed up car compared to a lower priced fixed up car... from my observations...

[TheSquidd]

dude whatever.. quit making a big deal over nothing.

it works like this, anytime you have something that shows you have money, ie: expensive car - you will be a target. you'de almost be just as big of a target driving in a z06 corvette as you would a super fixed up 240sx..

Are you from CA?
Have you ever been to CA?

If you answered yes to either of these you'd know you can drive a 2007 Corvette Z06 with the entire exhaust system removed, fire shooting out the hood, black smoke dumping, and you would not get pulled over.

Sure that sounds like an exaggeration, and it is, but the simple fact is if you own a fixed up American car, you are NOT as much of a target as any modified import owner.

You will NOT have your 2007 Corvette Z06 crushed.

And that's the sad part. These kids, who obviously don't have any fucking money to their name, so they can't afford to buy a turbo diesel truck, a trailer for their car and to take it out the the nearest race track (wherever the FUCK that is.) They drive these cheap economy cars. They modify them.

These are the guys that are subject to CONSTANT abuse by the police. We're taxed, ticketed and made out to be criminals for simply owning a car that goes 1/2 the speed of a modern sports car.

I never, ever see a Corvette on the side of the road in front of a police cruiser. It's almost ALWAYS a junky car, or a Honda. This is no exaggeration. I have NEVER seen it.

I do not condone street racing, I did it a few times when I was younger. I think most anyone in this area did, we're right in the middle of the biggest racing scene in CA.

But I do see why people do it. I already find it expensive and difficult as fuck to race legally as I have been doing for the past two years. I make decent money, and I still can't afford to do it 100% legit. Trailers? Track fees? Nearest track is 200 miles away? Police actively LOOKING for cars like mine? It's not easy.

because it shows you have money. showing that you have money means that you will get pulled over and cited, so that the government can TAKE your money, period.

I'd LOVE to see a study done on ticketing done by classes, lower class vs. middle class vs. upper class.

I'm 99.9% sure the results would contradict this statement.

plus im white, which i hate saying.. but its fucked up and true. racial profiling does exist and its real. if youre looking for reasons to get fucked with, have color AND driving a fixed up car is not a good combination. not saying you shouldnt have a modified car, just saying it MAY have a slight role in the frequency of getting pulled over.

Exactly. I'm white. I see it, cops pull up next to me all the time, look at me, see my face and drive away. You think they do this kind of racial profiling, yet they treat American CARS the same as foreign CARS? If you do, you're a lost cause.

however, that still doesnt change the fact that how you deal with the cop is more important than how you look or what you drive. if youre an asshole and a jerk, you'll get owned.. one way or another.

That's BS. Plain and simple. I've never been anything but 100% cooperative, and friendly with police officers, and yet I ALWAYS get a ticket for everything. Maybe you got lucky once but the CHP I've dealt with don't care how friendly you are, you are going to get a ticket when they pull you over.

[mRclARK1]

Street racers suck... that's just a fact. They deserve what they get, but I agree with the people who say they should have returned stolen parts etc...

I'm just waiting for the day that modifications to a street vehicles engine, suspension etc. (essentially anything except the stereo and maybe wheels) becomes entirely illegal in any way... I can see it coming. :-/

[blackcoupe]

Sucks for CANADA!

http://www.thestar.com/article/227763

[exitspeed]

I want to know how many people that hope these kids cars get crushed have 100% NEVER EVER raced someone at a light before.

Hypocrites.

[Matej]

Time to start racing boats, they haven't cracked down on the ocean yet.

[axiomatik]

the problem with this story is that, as a few people mentioned, it didn't say that they were caught street racing. The one guy was pulled over for a tail light. Turned out his tranny or engine was stolen, car gets crushed.

Now imagine this scenario. Your KA blows, you look in the For Sale forum for a replacement, find some guy who said he's parting out his car. You go and pick up his engine and put it into your car. 2 months later you get pulled over for a burned out brake light. Cop checks the VINs and the engine comes up as stolen and of course you don't have a receipt cuz you bought it off some guy on a forum. Then they crush your car. You didn't know the engine was stolen, you were just trying to get your car running again, but you are the one that gets punished while the actual theif got away with it and your money.

The problem here is the implication that if you modify your car in any way, then you are automatically a street racer. People buy and sell parts here every day, how can you guarantee that the item you are purchasing was not stolen at some point? Now, if they were caught racing, that would be a different story, but even then, you're at risk. Imagine someone pulls up along side of you wanting to race, you blow them off because you know it's stupid and dangerous. They decide to floor it anyway in a pathetic attempt to show off to you. A cop happens to be sitting nearby and sees and hears two modified cars speeding off (when in fact only one is 'racing'), both of you get busted and your car gets crushed. Crappy situation, no? Could still happen to you.

[coreansurfer]

Time to start racing boats, they haven't cracked down on the ocean yet.

DUAL RB FTW!!!

[bardabe]

California is stupid im glad im moving out. seriously just because I have a modded car i seem to be racing everywhere i go. I recently got harassed because a Z33 got in a wreck racing a black car. as I drove by the incident the cops pulled me over. then they started telling me into how much shit i was because the only description they have is that it was a black car. eventually i started arguying with the cop. things got out of hand but non the less i was let free to go. but i really hate cali its like yeah my car is modded so it automatically makes me guilty of street racing. baka..... NC Here I come!

[DeepSeaDynamo]

Now imagine this scenario. Your KA blows, you look in the For Sale forum for a replacement, find some guy who said he's parting out his car. You go and pick up his engine and put it into your car. 2 months later you get pulled over for a burned out brake light. Cop checks the VINs and the engine comes up as stolen and of course you don't have a receipt cuz you bought it off some guy on a forum. Then they crush your car. You didn't know the engine was stolen, you were just trying to get your car running again, but you are the one that gets punished while the actual theif got away with it and your money.

^ thats a good reason to save all your private messages that shit could be evidence one day.

[santacruisin]

oh, and i can still carry my groceries in a plastic bag, unlike anybody in san fran

wtf, they always put my shit in a plastic bag.

[kouki_s14]

it was NEVER about protecting citizens from accidents, it is and always has been all about the money. I can only imagine how much cash they bring in from bullshit fix it tickets. The government knows that the aftermarket car industry is a billion dollar business, so if laws are made to ticket those millions of people spending those billions of dollars, then shit, they can make a lot of money.

If they close the tracks, then more people will have to do those stupid illegal things on the streets. Guess what that means? More people for cops to bust, more tickets, and MORE MONEY for the government.

Last time i did research, the average was about 130 or so deaths per year in the NATION that were related to street racing. Or at least what the media called street racing, for all we know it could have been one person speeding racing a imaginary car. I dont think the death rate has changed much in the past decade either(money well spent eh?). So all the money they are spending to prevent street racing fatalities is not working, but it does give them a reason to profile, to ticket, and to once again make MONEY.

You can be nice as hell to a cop and they wont give a shit unless you got some tits to flash them. Even then it might not work. They gotta make their money and it's not gonna happen if they are nice to everyone that is nice to them.

If it gets bad enough, everyone will be too scared to modify a car, so then the billion dollar industry will crash, then the economy can suffer. Then cops wont have anymore bullshit tickets to write, economy loses again. Cops will have to find a new source of income for the economy. HA i cant wait to see what they come up with to piss us off next.

[TheSquidd]

Last time i did research, the average was about 130 or so deaths per year in the NATION that were related to street racing. Or at least what the media called street racing, for all we know it could have been one person speeding racing a imaginary car. I dont think the death rate has changed much in the past decade either(money well spent eh?). So all the money they are spending to prevent street racing fatalities is not working, but it does give them a reason to profile, to ticket, and to once again make MONEY.


I forget when it was but I remember hearing there were 1 or 2 at most deaths in the Ontario Street Racing scene one year.

1 or 2. Now the way they treat us here in Ontario you'd think we're dying by the DOZENS or HUNDREDS. But no, enough people to count on one hand.

It is DEFINITELY not about protection. I remember all the accidents I saw at the street races were when the police came and everyone jammed out. When the police weren't around it was actually pretty peaceful and well organized.

Hell the only deaths I've heard about are the guys racing from a street light in broad daylight. These stories almost ALWAYS involve a convertible Mustang that flipped.

**This was when i was 15/16. I no longer participate in such foolishness.**

[usdm180sx]

If you answered yes to either of these you'd know you can drive a 2007 Corvette Z06 with the entire exhaust system removed, fire shooting out the hood, black smoke dumping, and you would not get pulled over.

Sure that sounds like an exaggeration, and it is, but the simple fact is if you own a fixed up American car, you are NOT as much of a target as any modified import owner.

You will NOT have your 2007 Corvette Z06 crushed.

That's as stupid as it is untrue. Cops have a duty to pull over ANYONE they suspect is breaking the law. Doesn't matter if the driver is black to the white, red to the brown, purple or yellow, if you're doing something stupid or if your car is suspected of having illegal mods, you're getting pulled over.

I never, ever see a Corvette on the side of the road in front of a police cruiser. It's almost ALWAYS a junky car, or a Honda. This is no exaggeration. I have NEVER seen it.

That's because most import car owners ghetto rig their cars with TONS of illegal mods. They buy what they can afford i.e cheap stolen parts. Corvette owners, on the other hand, usually have money and can afford to modify their cars so that they don't look all ghetto and illegal.

That's BS. Plain and simple. I've never been anything but 100% cooperative, and friendly with police officers, and yet I ALWAYS get a ticket for everything. Maybe you got lucky once but the CHP I've dealt with don't care how friendly you are, you are going to get a ticket when they pull you over.

Well if I was a cop and saw your car, looking like it crashed into a guardrail, zipties and all, I would be suspicious too. No offense to your car, it's pretty nice, but it does LOOK like you've been driving it hard. Perhaps at the track or on GMR. Either way, with the silvia brick headlights, zipties and broken aero your car looks like it has something illegal on it.

It's how you present yourself to the cops. If you live in south central LA and dress like a gangsta and wear either a red or blue rag how you gonna get mad if a cop stops you?

[nassin31spr]

I think its kinda stupid. All crushing the cars did was make it so people wont stop for the cops anymore. Which is going to lead to some real death tolls. If I had a 20k car and the police were trying to pull me after watching this I would think twice about stopping. Your gonna loose your car anyways. I hope it works though because street racing is pretty dangerous.

[TheSquidd]

That's as stupid as it is untrue. Cops have a duty to pull over ANYONE they suspect is breaking the law. Doesn't matter if the driver is black to the white, red to the brown, purple or yellow, if you're doing something stupid or if your car is suspected of having illegal mods, you're getting pulled over.

They have a duty. True.
They are human. True.
They have personal and independent thought. True
They can implement those thoughts in work.

That's because most import car owners ghetto rig their cars with TONS of illegal mods. They buy what they can afford i.e cheap stolen parts. Corvette owners, on the other hand, usually have money and can afford to modify their cars so that they don't look all ghetto and illegal.

Do you ever question the laws made?

Mods = Illegal, there are no legal mods except CARB exempt items... a cone filter and a lame ass exhaust. Does this not seem wrong to you?

Everyone buys what they can afford. I can't afford a Ferrari, so I bought a s13 and threw an SR20 in it. Why is it that MY car is illegal, yet the Ferrari which's performance FAR exceeds what my car will ever be capable of, is legal?

I know the reasons, the Ferrari has been approved by CARB and safety standards as it was produced etc. Still I find it ironic that these machines, that are far more dangerous, are simply ignored while a Honda Civic with 109hp and exhaust (which is quieter than a Lamborghini Gallardo) is pulled over daily.

Well if I was a cop and saw your car, looking like it crashed into a guardrail, zipties and all, I would be suspicious too. No offense to your car, it's pretty nice, but it does LOOK like you've been driving it hard. Perhaps at the track or on GMR. Either way, with the silvia brick headlights, zipties and broken aero your car looks like it has something illegal on it.

Hahah I've owned cars before this one.

I had a 1995 BMW 325is, black, classy, real nice looking, had a little exhaust, some fancy headlights and some wheels. I was pulled over CONSTANTLY in this car. Always treated like a street racer because I had chrome tips and wheels.

I had a 1991 300zx N/A automatic. Looked like hell, was BONE stock. Was pulled over constantly in this. Always gone over with a fine tooth comb to get tickets, when the cops found no mods, they let me go.

I had a basically stock s13 hatchback. Had just exhaust, stock everything else. I was pulled over 3 times in the distance of 40 miles once.

This is why I've stopped caring. No matter what I drive, if it's not a fucking Mustang, I can't modify it without police attention. So fuck it, I'm gonna build my car the way I want and see what happens. You'd be amazed. I've only been pulled over twice. Once for being at a street drifting spot, got a ref ticket. Once for having blacked out headlights. My car is by NO means the kind of car I speak about.

I have friends with STOCK s13's that get pulled over constantly. Why? Because they have dark skin and drive cars NOT from this country.

I had a friend with a fully raced out mustang, loud ass pipes, looked hard from the outside. He got pulled over too, but all he ever got was a cop saying "nice car, take it easy". Why? Because, your average policeman loves a cool ass Mustang. Why give something you idolize a ticket?

It's how you present yourself to the cops. If you live in south central LA and dress like a gangsta and wear either a red or blue rag how you gonna get mad if a cop stops you?

I don't know what point you're making here. Even when I drove a near stock BMW, a clean cut white guy, that always was courteous and kind to police officers, I got harassed.

[steve shadows]

Time to start racing boats, they haven't cracked down on the ocean yet.

agreed rpe for you

[DisEpyon]

Hows the whole Truck scene?

i see alot of trucks with a bunch of aftermarket parts, you may not see it but you dam sure can hear it, coming out of there loud azz open piping exhaust.

Im not a truck hater, I actually would like to own a truck to haul stuff around, like there made to do.

[mRclARK1]

I want to know how many people that hope these kids cars get crushed have 100% NEVER EVER raced someone at a light before.

Hypocrites.

Agreed. However there is a huge difference between full on street racing, and just making a couple quick, higher RPM, shifts from a red light having a little fun in light traffic. The worst I'm guilty of is breaking the speed limit by maybe 10-15 MPH. If I "race" anyone from a red light, I treat it as a race to who reaches the speed limit (or slightly above) first. haha

Street racing is what I witnessed only a couple months ago when I saw an accident (that I believe I made a thread about IIRC)... both cars were doing in the 80-90 range in a 40 zone. Douche's like that deserve to have there cars taken away.

[TheSquidd]

Wrong. Racing is racing, I got a street racing ticket and the fastest I went was about 50mph in a 45. A race is a contest of two vehicles, its not about how fast the race is.

I agree with you though.

[BustedS13]

wtf, they always put my shit in a plastic bag.

http://www.enn.com/today.html?id=12473

in september they won't

[!Zar!]

Wow. Aids spreads fast.

I'm SO sick of people bitching about cops and import cars.

Get over it. People race their shit. When was the last time you saw a young adult with the money to afford a nice car?

If a z06 was 3k You'd see ninjas racing them everywhere.

"Oh we get profiled on because our shit isn't street legal"
If you get pulled over and have nothing to worry about then get the fuck over it.

I was pulled over the other day for, "Suspesion of a stolen car" LOLZ

Fuck that. I drive a Vette, Benz and plenty of other nice cars around and cops hate that. I get pulled over and what not all the time; record was 4x in one day. LOL.

Do you see me bitching? Did I get in trouble for it. NO. I had my shit together and had no reason for a ticket.

If you are going to continue to bitch about living in cali or whatever than leave. I could give a flying fuck what you think.

Those people deserve to have that happen to their car. Buying stolen parts; I don't think all were. Illegal racing. Bah.

Foot notes:
Mod your car legally.
Kids are broke as fuck so no nice cars to race.
Move to Idaho.


EDIT:

Street racing isn't killing kids of today. Just stupidity. This generation sucks. Due to the parents and environment they are around.

Import cars are watched because it's common sense that people race their modified cars. I can't even count how many countless people talk about racing yet have never been to a track. I mean wtf is the point of having a modified car if you can't track it? EVERYONE who does illegal acts on the street is subject to profiling and ridicule.

It's common sense. Even on my way back I was passes by, "Drifters" Who were racing down the freeway like they were on fire.

Profiled for no reason. Don't even give me that.

Fucking buy a daily that way you don't have to worry about shit.

[bardabe]

Wow. Aids spreads fast.

I'm SO sick of people bitching about cops and import cars.

Get over it. People race their shit. When was the last time you saw a young adult with the money to afford a nice car?

If a z06 was 3k You'd see ninjas racing them everywhere.

"Oh we get profiled on because our shit isn't street legal"
If you get pulled over and have nothing to worry about then get the fuck over it.

I was pulled over the other day for, "Suspesion of a stolen car" LOLZ

Fuck that. I drive a Vette, Benz and plenty of other nice cars around and cops hate that. I get pulled over and what not all the time; record was 4x in one day. LOL.

Do you see me bitching? Did I get in trouble for it. NO. I had my shit together and had no reason for a ticket.

If you are going to continue to bitch about living in cali or whatever than leave. I could give a flying fuck what you think.

Those people deserve to have that happen to their car. Buying stolen parts; I don't think all were. Illegal racing. Bah.

Foot notes:
Mod your car legally.
Kids are broke as fuck so no nice cars to race.
Move to Idaho.


EDIT:

Street racing isn't killing kids of today. Just stupidity. This generation sucks. Due to the parents and environment they are around.

Import cars are watched because it's common sense that people race their modified cars. I can't even count how many countless people talk about racing yet have never been to a track. I mean wtf is the point of having a modified car if you can't track it? EVERYONE who does illegal acts on the street is subject to profiling and ridicule.

It's common sense. Even on my way back I was passes by, "Drifters" Who were racing down the freeway like they were on fire.

Profiled for no reason. Don't even give me that.

Fucking buy a daily that way you don't have to worry about shit.

im sorryto hurt your feelings man, but seriously just get over it, not everyone has the money to go buy a daily, mod, and track their car. if we did then we would not bitch about it. and seriously, when you where my age, i bet you where doing this kind of shit as well. so don;t say you haven't. im sure at one point in your life you did it. Yeah, ive done it a few times im not going to be a homosexual duche bag. that still doesent give the cop the right to assume we all do it all the time just because the car is modded. im speaking from my point of view. I tend to fuck arround sometimes yeah, but i try and do it in a safe(ish) enviorment where there wont be a little girl corssing the street or spectators around to get hurt. the fact about this that pisses me off is that they are making an assumption from one stupid group of people and blaming all of us for it. think about it. Street racing was not a big issue 10 years ago. fast and the furious came along and it got big, drunk people from the club started getting drunk and saying "hey man lets go street racing!" so there you have it. we started seeying the idiots mess up the fun, and before we knew it drunken idiots started killing others and we started getting tracked down for it. FandF2 came along and it only got worse. then F&F3 came out, and now the whole JDM Drifter kid is out. think about it. its all in the media. think about it if things like that didn;t come out big into the media, stupid people would have not found out, and we would not be getting craked for their stupid activities. not to mention there is alot of money on the fix it tickets. if you choose to argue about this. all I can say is that Look at the D1GP in 2001. when it first came to the US. you didn't see cops waiting outside for all those SR20's and modded cars. look at D1GP 2006. we had cops in GTO's and Chargers waiting outside because it was all over the media and a bunch of duche bags where doing stupid things right after the event. not something that was a problem in 2003. it's all in the Media and what the system is trying to make people believe. when was the last time you heard something in the news that was not about Iraq or someone that got killed street racing????

[Kn1ves]

Whats so bad about cops trying not to get you killed?

Better to pull me over for speeding and fine me $$$$$$$$$ than lose my legs or worse.

Cops are great. Its how you represent yourself.

[!Zar!]

im sorryto hurt your feelings man, but seriously just get over it, not everyone has the money to go buy a daily, mod, and track their car. if we did then we would not bitch about it. and seriously, when you where my age, i bet you where doing this kind of shit as well. so don;t say you haven't. im sure at one point in your life you did it. Yeah, ive done it a few times im not going to be a homosexual duche bag. that still doesent give the cop the right to assume we all do it all the time just because the car is modded. im speaking from my point of view. I tend to fuck arround sometimes yeah, but i try and do it in a safe(ish) enviorment where there wont be a little girl corssing the street or spectators around to get hurt. the fact about this that pisses me off is that they are making an assumption from one stupid group of people and blaming all of us for it. think about it. Street racing was not a big issue 10 years ago. fast and the furious came along and it got big, drunk people from the club started getting drunk and saying "hey man lets go street racing!" so there you have it. we started seeying the idiots mess up the fun, and before we knew it drunken idiots started killing others and we started getting tracked down for it. FandF2 came along and it only got worse. then F&F3 came out, and now the whole JDM Drifter kid is out. think about it. its all in the media. think about it if things like that didn;t come out big into the media, stupid people would have not found out, and we would not be getting craked for their stupid activities. not to mention there is alot of money on the fix it tickets. if you choose to argue about this. all I can say is that Look at the D1GP in 2001. when it first came to the US. you didn't see cops waiting outside for all those SR20's and modded cars. look at D1GP 2006. we had cops in GTO's and Chargers waiting outside because it was all over the media and a bunch of duche bags where doing stupid things right after the event. not something that was a problem in 2003. it's all in the Media and what the system is trying to make people believe. when was the last time you heard something in the news that was not about Iraq or someone that got killed street racing????

Wow. Reading that gave me a headache.

Get over it? Get over what? haha. When I was your age I had a daily. I got my shit together and learned how to save/manage money. If you can affort to buy an sr you can afford to buy a daily.

Just because some people have the need to race around the streets doesn't mean everyone does. I did it back when I was 16 in my benz for like a few months. Then I came to the realization that, "This shit is gay. I'm gaining nothing from this". And that wasn't even street racing. Just riding in the hills.

You think fast and furious made this the way it is? Street racing has been around for ages. People just like using FNF as a scape goat of an excuse.

Street racing was/isn't safe. The OG's have horror stories just like the ones of today.

Cops didn't know what 240's were because swaps weren't as common. And the people who had them were alot smarter than the kids of today. You could just drop your car off at a shop and pick it up the next day with a sr.

I miss those days...

With that said, if you can't handle it then maybe modifying cars isn't for you.

I hear Scrappers aren't being bugged by too many cops. You should check that out.

The news I watch doesn't talk about street racing.

It does talk about Iraq which is of importance.


I love how people are so quick to hate on cops.

Even more so people who just got their license or are part of the bandwagon that started as of late.

lolthisthreadisfullofaidslol

[nrg]

charles hoang is a retard. he didnt put 10k into his car. I kinda know that guy too, he's a friend's little brother and his father and my father go way back; long before i was born. His father owns a junk yard in pomona and they deal with stolen cars/parts. That's probably why his car was crushed. How do i know this? My mom told me about my dad's shady business with him.

[ixfxi]

I had a friend with a fully raced out mustang, loud ass pipes, looked hard from the outside. He got pulled over too, but all he ever got was a cop saying "nice car, take it easy". Why? Because, your average policeman loves a cool ass Mustang. Why give something you idolize a ticket?

I don't know what point you're making here. Even when I drove a near stock BMW, a clean cut white guy, that always was courteous and kind to police officers, I got harassed.


I hate responding right now, because I feel like I am wasting time with a fuckin HEAD IDIOT.

Have you considered for once, that the problem here isnt the car or the cop, but YOU are the fucking problem? You're blaming pretty much everyone and everything, but yourself.

I have customers with expensive japanese cars, they have stories of getting pulled over. i have customers with expensive domestic cars, they also deal with the same drama. I also have a customer whos had plenty of XJR and XKR Jaguars, same shit. Regardless of the car, you risk the chances of getting pulled over if you're doing anything that gets attention.

Now, lets put all that aside. I drove a fuckin BARE BONE S13, which pics of it have been posted on here years ago.. with NOTHING in it. No dash, no door panels, no carpet, no factory wiring harness, no AC, no power steering, fucking NOTHING but:
- rollbar
- seats
- harnesses
- steering wheel
- headlamps
- taillamps
- doors, hood, etc.

Just the absolute basics. Ive gotten pulled over NUMEROUS times and thought that I would end up in jail or that it would get taken from me - never happened. I have stories of me, jdm_rice, and another friend who all three of us got pulled over by BEVERLY HILLS cops for tearing it up near UCLA off the fucking sunset strip - the WORST place to ever be cought speeding. the cop checked us out and then said "you guys have some bitchin cars, but dont do that shit.. its not safe. go home"

say whatever the fuck you want to say, but i will stick with my story and say its HOW you talk and how you treat the cop. be a man, take responsibility - chances are, you wont have a problem. act a fool, dont be surprised when shit goes down.

maybe its not about what you say, but how you say it. think about it, come off acting like a dick.. its plenty enough reason for a cop to want to cite you up and make your day a pain.

period.

[Kn1ves]

damn running sunset was fun back in high school.

[eastcoastS14]

sounds like its time for some of you cali guys to call your local newspapers and tv stations and invite them to a car meet and agree to give them exclusive interviews to tell them your side....Id love to see a news story with guys showing how peacful and legal car meets can be and ask some of the questions of the police and reporters that have been asked here....dont take it lying down....cause its only a matter of time before one of your 240s ends up getting crushed over a broken tail light

[johngriff]

I didn't read the whole thread, but I think AJ and Yuri Both cut through the bullshit being fed.

These Kids were NOT street racing.

Why wont California make a 15 year, or AT LEAST 25 year sliding emissions law? This is the slippery slope of CARB.

More than likely, all of these kids engines were bought from a local importer. Its a honda, its an engine swap. They didn't return the stolen property because the parts could NOT be matched against US cars. Because they were from over seas.

CARB wants everything from 92 to 76 off the ROAD. My fellow SEMA members have to have read some of the articles being published.

Obviously California frowns on the Asian Engine Importers, not just for high performance, but mostly for making it readily available to maintain these 76-92 cars. Constitutional Rights state that property can only be seized as evidence in an investigation, in the process (in which case it must be returned) or if they were stolen, in which case they are to be returned, or contraband (drugs)

IIRC, we started a war over tea.

We WILL be targeted for this. Guaranteed. These people were not racing, they were profiled and taken out on technicalities. Someone should do a writeup, "How To Re-stamp Your Block and Transmission".

You guys want to see a KA24E ca18?

[Chrischeezer]

i know this is just happening in Canada so far but...

this is the dumbest thing i have ever seen in my life.. WHAT A WASTE of time and money
in America ,Thousands and Thousands of people die each year from guns. Every day 300 people die due to smoking. ([email protected]#[email protected]$!)
16,885 alcohol-related fatalities in 2005 someone dies from drunk driving every 30min.!!!!!!! millions of ppl have dies from drugs!

for the any state to even consider "street racing" a serious issue with these types of problems obvious has their priorities all FU*ked up.

street racing is wrong... OH WELL!!!! EF street racing who the fuck cares! i say issue the tickets and be on your way... we have bigger problems in the world then street racing,diseases, starvation.global warming!! the world is coming to an END (i dont wana get started on that) this shows how stupid some governments are.

to the judges and prosecutors that bring JUSTICE to street racers: get a life and stop trying to exercise your higher power on the little guys, GO do some good for the world.

street racing... a problem.... HA.. some people live in a fucking bubble and have no fucking clue.

[S14DB]

Street Racing supports Terrorism!

[TheSquidd]

comma.

It always seems to be you.

Fucking head idiot? What exactly does that mean? I guess it's better than a foot idiot or a knee idiot.

Blaming everyone but myself?

I already stated I just don't give a fuck anymore. My CURRENT car is what it is, an illegal car. I don't complain when I'm pulled over, I deserve it. I fucking flat out ASK For it. I'm going for the high score now. But you know what, fuck it, I still race AT THE TRACK and don't drive like a dick and put others in danger. If my punishment for that is a life of harassment by police. So be it.

But I've been harassed in cars that are far from illegal. And it's a shame I and others like me have to deal with this, while I BELIEVE IN MY HONEST OPINION that others in similar situations but cars from this country do not have this problem. IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO IMHO.

So I've seen evidence of police profiling, and you have seen evidence of police being nice to you. I don't see that argument going any further than that. Each of us has witnessed what we've witnessed and have formed our opinions about it.

I will say there was a very prominent court case about this. Might want to look it up.

And I STILL say I've been pulled over going the speed limit in a car that is flat out not illegal and been 100% courteous (I've done customer service for years, I know what the fuck courteous is.) and am still treated like a criminal and gone over with a fine tooth comb.


Oh and Zar , you cannot MOD your car legally. At least in any rational sense.

If we all followed the law, everyone here would have 2 mods. A 50-state-legal exhaust, and a cold air intake from K&N/AEM etc.

And that's IT.

Sorry, that would drive me nuts, and I don't agree with that law, so, I'm going to do what I want. Fuck you if you think I'm wrong. Oh well. I'm not leaving California YET , sure it sucks ass here but it's fucking CALIFORNIA.

Where is All Star Bash? Just Drift? Drift Buffet? Speedtrial? Tou:k:e? Button Willow? WSIR? LA? Beaches? Mountains? Access to Mexico? Sunny and warm? In n Out?

Oh right. CALIFORNIA. Sure, the cops harass me but until all of those things are available somewhere else, I'm not leaving.

"Oh well then don't complain"

Well, I see something I don't like, and I complain, protest, and generally I don't obey laws I don't feel are in the best interest of my society. Welcome to forums. Welcome to America. You do over 65mph on the freeway? We're in the same boat.

If I followed every single law in the book, I'd HATE life. But you know what I don't and I LOVE life.

[usdm180sx]

Nothing is set in stone, even in CA. But there is a middle ground, albeit in CA the risk is higher due to stricter laws.

1. When you mod your car you put yourself at risk to get pulled over. The type of mod, the demeanor of the car and the mood/personality of the cop determines the probability of you getting pulled over. No front plate, super dark front side tinted windows and a super loud exhaust are probably some of the biggest causes (Those are the exact reasons NiteKids always got pulled over)

2. If you drive like an idiot you put yourself and the lives of people around you at risk in addition to putting yourself at risk to get pulled over. The severity of the stupidity of the act and the mood/personality of the cop determines the probability of you getting pulled over. (Street racing, drifting, exhibitions of speed, speeding are as blatant as it gets)

3. Once you're pulled over, depending on the violation, the car and the mood/personality of the cop anything can happen from there. He could ask you to pop your hood, write you a ref ticket or just let you go.

3. Which boils down to the last reason: Luck.

[exitspeed]

I've been pulled over in my bone stock (like REAL BONE STOCK) hatch when i was wearing a shirt and tie like I do every day and questioned if this was my car and if it was stolen.

Hahha, I just kinda chuckled and said yea. In my head I'm thinking, "Yea, cause I go out in my car stealing outfit of a shirt and tie, and steal POS stock cars." hahaha It was pretty comical.

I've never been a big fan of cops because of being harrassed by them with my Eclipse back in the day. Did I deserve to get pulled over when I was driving like a jack ass? You betchya. I won't argue that at all. Do I deserve to get pulled over when I'm going to the grocery store 5 blocks from my house to get dinner when I was doing nothing illegal? No.

They have a job to do I understand that. I'm not as bitter about as I was when I was younger.

I usually just drive my Camry when I'm with the wife and cops don't look twice. I also did move out of the area that I was being harassed at, and that solved that problem.

I don't know what I just added to the thread, but that's my experiences here in Milwaukee.

[koukikat180sx]

I saw the vid. I think it sucks to a certain extent because I understand all the blood and sweat that goes into building a car, but at the same time people have to learn. I hope this doesn't start affecting people who are responsible and go to the track, if it does then it's really going to suck.

[ixfxi]

It always seems to be you. Fucking head idiot? What exactly does that mean? I guess it's better than a foot idiot or a knee idiot.

So I've seen evidence of police profiling, and you have seen evidence of police being nice to you. I don't see that argument going any further than that. Each of us has witnessed what we've witnessed and have formed our opinions about it.

yeah... head idiot, its better than being a foot, knee, or ass-idiot. but yeah, its me this time.. and it will always be me. open your mouth on zilvia and say something stupid, and i'll be sure to slam you back down...

i never said i like cops. one of my good friends is a cop, hes a cool guy.. but that doesnt stop be from saying fuck the PD. ive always felt that police are like gangsters, if you see them when you're walking down the street - better move quick unless you wanna get jacked. with gangsters, i worry about getting my ass kicked and/or jacked. with cops, i worry about the same thing. they still reserve the right to fuck us up, and the ticket they write will eventually "get paid" either in money or jail time - you chose.

point being, might as well try to stay under the radar and not start shit when you do see them. sometimes you just get bad luck, but these guys DID NOT have BAD LUCK.

i've looked into the "smash car" thing a year or two ago when it was first initiated, they DONT just cite people and smash their cars for broken taillamps and shit like that. the owner of the car has to be participating in straight out ILLEGAL street racing. remember the 90s? people pulled to the side of the road in a long line parked, watching people on the other side of the road running side by side with their cars. anyone watching and anyone racing is considered participating, and thats when they have the right to smash up your ride.

serious, if you think you get pulled over for having a broken taillamp while you just happen to be driving along on a sunny day.. bullshit, thats not going to happen. they dont just pick random fuckers and smash their cars.

besides the above facts, theres SO many modifications people can do that still comply with the law. you guys make it seem like intake and exhaust are the only options, but what about newer motor swaps within the same genre of cars? swapping a VQ is legal. doing body alterations are typically legal. nice paint work, custom lighting, stereo, and some lengths of motor buildup.

you fucks are angry because zip tied bumpers, RHD silvia headlamps, and Sr swaps are not legal.. good.. because they shouldnt be legal. motors have to be tested for emissions so that they comply, same rules every ferrari or dodge has to go through... including decible exhaust test.

now, i would PREFER if they gov would just emissions test our car.. and clean should be clean, but thats not the case.. and it sucks. the SR should be legalized, but its not. im not holding my breath either, but what can you do. sit and cry about it, or just make your car as covert as possible.

ive been here for years, i see the stupid shit most people do to their cars......... and not for making them better, but more for making them BALLER and getting attention. i dont even care about attention, and i personally take as many canyons or small streets as i can to get to where i need to go. atleast that gives me the satisfaction of knowing that i dont have to deal with asshole cops, or asshole car modders who want to look and or steal my shit. there are PLENTY of meets and events out here, but who cares.. when you gather with the flocks, dont be surprised if YOU get picked out.

[EAS13]

Street racing is bad m-kay, I think it's stupid. But for them to use the 13 deaths a year as a reason to devote this much time, effort and money is just silly. Here's some other Death facts:


During 1979-1998 7421 deaths in the United States were heat-related with a median of 274 deaths per year. People dying from having no AC. WTF!

In 2000, 1000 homicides are reported in LA alone. 50% of them are gang related. There's about 12000 a year nationwide, about half are fire-arm related.

Drunk Driving related deaths, US Wide - 16,885 = 46 per day.

I mean shit, what about AIDs/HIV? AIDS is the leading cause of death among men 25 to 44 in California. LEADING CAUSE! When you're hanging with 4 of your homies, there's a good chance (1 out of 5) that one of you has HIV (statistically speaking).

Breakdown US Wide.
1) Diseases of the heart heart attack (mainly) 28.5%
(2) Malignant neoplasms cancer 22.8%
(3) Cerebrovascular disease stroke 6.7%
(4) Chronic lower respiratory disease emphysema, chronic bronchitis 5.1%
(5) Unintentional injuries accidents 4.4%
(6) Diabetes mellitus diabetes 3.0%
(7) Influenza and pneumonia flu & pneumonia 2.7%
(8) Alzheimer's Disease Alzheimer's senility 2.4%
(9) Nephritis and Nephrosis kidney disease 1.7%
(10) Septicemia systemic infection 1.4%
(11) Intentional self-harm suicide 1.3%
(12) Chronic Liver/Cirrhosis liver disease 1.1%
(13) Essential Hypertension high blood pressure 0.8%
(14) Assault homicide 0.7%
(15) All other causes other 17.4%


FFS! Street racing crackdown = Head up ass. We have other problems.

[BustedS13]

I mean shit, what about AIDs/HIV? AIDS is the leading cause of death among men 25 to 44 in California. LEADING CAUSE! When you're hanging with 4 of your homies, there's a good chance (1 out of 5) that one of you has HIV (statistically speaking).


...you're telling me that 20% of all males between 25 to 44 have HIV in California? there's no way that's true.

edit: while i can't confirm gender or age, i have come up with this:

151,000 HIV positive Californians (http://www.medicalnewstoday.com/medicalnews.php?newsid=34447)

total population as of 2000 census: 33,871,648 (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/California)

simple math: 00.4458% total population is HIV positive. ALMOST 1 in every 200.

[Frosty_spl]

Check this shit out from Ontario Canada. You have GOT to be kidding me:

omg!

http://www.leftlanenews.com/canadian-province-claims-power-to-seize-destroy-modified-cars.html

[DaPCWiz]

Street Racing supports Terrorism!

bwhahaahahahahahahah I love that. That should be someone's sig :rofl:

[j00ni3]

yea... vids... yea... was sad...

so now.... everyone should just move to the EAST COAST ~ BOOO YA...

or just move to Nevada ... and be like~... YO WTF? .. im outa state DAWG...



on a serious note... here in NYC there are so many riced out cars. i think we do need a little bit of "cleaning done"

[240boy90]

Good bye Fast and Furious....Hello Tokyo drift..........

[Andrew Bohan]

good bye green square... hello red square....

[ESmorz]

So all of this talk about getting pulled over and vin checked?

Has it ever led to anything serious to anyone on this forum who have countless "illegal" mods?

[ixfxi]

Good bye Fast and Furious....Hello Tokyo drift..........

why did you bump this old piece of shit thread?


seriously, i dont ever use the rep system really.... but gaddamn i sure want to use it now.

[kingkilburn]

Enough of this bumping old threads for no good reason. I swear people should get pinked for this crap.