My Volkswagon GTi Review

[aqwkmf]

well todays ride was in my friends new gti 337. wow. that car will lay a s2k to rest. turbo is amazing. also a 6 speed. 180 hp and about 170lb ft of torque at ~1700 rpm. it pulls hard. maybe ill go test one out tommorrow to get a drivers point of view <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/satisfied.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':satisfied:'>

[Annoying Eric]

damn man you want alot of things.......

And damn, you test drive mad cars........

[Loren]

isn't it FWD.... and how much does it cost?

[tnord]

a stock GTi will lay a S2k to rest??? are you serious? &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/eh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':eh:'>

[Annoying Eric]

Yeah doesn't the s2000 have 350 hp...

[S13FREEAAK]

I'm pretty sure that the s2000 dosen't have 350hp. I think its in the 200's. But Im not sure.

[MorganS13]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Annoying Eric @ Aug. 24 2002,10:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yeah doesn't the s2000 have 350 hp...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
240 &nbsp;<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

[Loren]

oh yeah, Volkswagen's carry that "mystique" about them...

[aqwkmf]

s2000 240 hp ~150 lbs torque
gti 337 180hp 174 lbs torque

s2000 power band starts at 7000 rpm (vtec kicks in)
gti on the other hand powerband starts at 1700 rpms-5600rpm

i dont really want a gti. it just showed me how cool turbo really is. and besides i want alot of cars but after i test drive it i can stick to cars i really like (like the Z car). i mean i like the new tiburon...but i'd never buy one. i'd like to try it once though to see how it feels

EDIT: BTW the 337 gti is a limited edition modded off the ass VW (1500 in the us)

[adey]

The 337 has 180hp and similar amount of torque. With an ECU upgrade (~$550) you can have ~ 210hp and ~230tq at the flywheel. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/crazy.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':crazy:'>
not to mention the car comes with 18" BBS rims from the factory! It feels a lot faster than the S2k because it's got so much f-ing torque, but an S2k should still win in most aspects. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

[bing]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Annoying Eric @ Aug. 24 2002,10:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Yeah doesn't the s2000 have 350 hp...</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
huh?<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>

[HippoSleek]

Ever try to turn a 250 whp fwd car? &nbsp;No thanks.

Advantage s2k

[tnord]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (HippoSleek @ Aug. 26 2002,08:06)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ever try to turn a 250 whp fwd car? No thanks.

Advantage s2k</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
ahhh.....touche'

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (aqwkmf @ Aug. 25 2002,10:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">s2000 power band starts at 7000 rpm (vtec kicks in)</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Ummm it doesn't kick in. It works at all rpms. It's a mechanism that operates on the cams/rocker arms... so there is no such thing as kicking in. Unless it's done from the moment you start up the car...

[tnord]

who cares where vtec "kicks in/engages" what have you.........the only thing that matters is the powerband between shift points. it makes no difference that ours is only good from 4-6, when s2k is good from 7-9. when you're on track, you're gonna be in this rev range the entire time. the only time top heavy power curves become an issue is with improper gearing..........ala Celica GTS.

[uiuc240]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ummm it doesn't kick in. It works at all rpms. It's a mechanism that operates on the cams/rocker arms... so there is no such thing as kicking in. Unless it's done from the moment you start up the car... </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>

It switches to a different cam profile. That's what he means. What are you talking about?

Eric

[240 2NR]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ Aug. 26 2002,12:40)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">the only time top heavy power curves become an issue is with improper gearing..........ala Celica GTS.</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
and streetability. &nbsp;A second gear pull off of a 30mph corner is pretty boring until you get into the happy zone of the rev range, by which time you're already going 45mph and ready to slow down.

[SR20Fastback]

The 337 is a very nice car. Probably the only GTi I would ever drive (if given one) <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/thumbs-up.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':thumbsup:'>

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (uiuc240 @ Aug. 26 2002,12:42)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote </td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">Ummm it doesn't kick in. It works at all rpms. It's a mechanism that operates on the cams/rocker arms... so there is no such thing as kicking in. Unless it's done from the moment you start up the car... </td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>

<img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'>

It switches to a different cam profile. That's what he means. What are you talking about?

Eric</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Hmmm yeah, now i see my post makes no sense. But yeah i meant what you said. I just don't like people who say "vtec kicked in".... cuz i don't see any connection between that fraze and what actually happens inside the vtec engine....

[240 2NR]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (Kreator @ Aug. 26 2002,1:33)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">I just don't like people who say "vtec kicked in".... cuz i don't see any connection between that fraze and what actually happens inside the engine....</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Well it's sort of right. &nbsp;Below that rpm, the engine was operating on the low speed "economy cam." &nbsp;Past the engagement point the cam has been switched over for higher lift and longer duration which is good for some serious top end power depending on the car. &nbsp;The benefits of a truly wild top end cam without the lumpy idle and poor low speed behavior.

[tnord]

you're right, there aren't little tiny gnomes inside the head that give a good swift kick to the cam, but how else you wanna describe it in 4 words or less?

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ Aug. 26 2002,5:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">you're right, there aren't little tiny gnomes inside the head that give a good swift kick to the cam, but how else you wanna describe it in 4 words or less?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Yeah i know, but then 90% people from whom i heard "vtec kicked in" don't even know what the abbreviation stands for <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/confused.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt='???'> (i'm not implying anyone on this board. just some kids i know)

[aqwkmf]

how else can it be worded? let me see....well at 7000 rpms the cam changes and then we gotta shift mad quick.....i'd rather say kicks in. i know what i mean. u know what i mean. and i dont have to write a story about how a engine works.

bottom line. both cars a faster than my stock ka 240sx and i'd take either of them in a second. but if i was spending $30,000 on a car i better damn well be geting exatly what i want. and that would either be a supra or a s2k

[SR20Fastback]

I thought the VTEC cam profile engaged at 6000?? On an S2000 that is...

[fodive]

bah! double post, but the next one is spelt write <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/wink.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=';)'>

[fodive]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (tnord @ Aug. 26 2002,5:24)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">you're right, there aren't little tiny gnomes inside the head that give a good swift kick to the cam, but how else you wanna describe it in 4 words or less?</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
hahaha, gnomes are funny, like the underwear gnomes on south park....ill shut up now, its the last nite of summer...leave me alone! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sad.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':('>

[DrDubbleB]

That episode kicked ass.

aqwkmf, ever thought of an FD RX-7 for half the price? &nbsp;The maintainence can be a bitch on them if you don't take care of it (but I'd expect an enthusiast to take care of his car), but they look better, and outperform the S2k (as well as unmodded Supras). &nbsp;Just throwing an idea out there. &nbsp;If you don't like it, it leaves one more for me to get when I scrape together the cash! <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/tounge.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':p'>

[adey]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (aqwkmf @ Aug. 26 2002,8:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">[snip]
bottom line. both cars a faster than my stock ka 240sx and i'd take either of them in a second. but if i was spending $30,000 on a car i better damn well be geting exatly what i want. and that would either be a supra or a s2k</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Can you get an S2K for 30k or less? I was under the impression that it was closer to 40k.

[tongue-in-cheek] Why you would get a supra (vs FD3s, sexxxy S13/14/145 or a host of other better looking and more-fun-to-throw-around cars) is beyond me though. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sly:'> I'm just impartial towards Supras. As far as I'm concerned, Supras are just fat (overweight), ugly (what it says) and clumsy (don't perform well outside of the dragstrip or freeway) cars. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'> [/tongue-in-cheek]
{flame suit --- ON}

[tnord]

i don't even see how the 240 is mentioned in the same group as the rest of those cars.

[Kreator]

</span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (adey @ Aug. 27 2002,04:37)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE"></span><table border="0" align="center" width="95%" cellpadding="3" cellspacing="1"><tr><td>Quote (aqwkmf @ Aug. 26 2002,8:17)</td></tr><tr><td id="QUOTE">[snip]
bottom line. both cars a faster than my stock ka 240sx and i'd take either of them in a second. but if i was spending $30,000 on a car i better damn well be geting exatly what i want. and that would either be a supra or a s2k</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
Can you get an S2K for 30k or less? I was under the impression that it was closer to 40k.

[tongue-in-cheek] Why you would get a supra (vs FD3s, sexxxy S13/14/145 or a host of other better looking and more-fun-to-throw-around cars) is beyond me though. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sly.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':sly:'> I'm just impartial towards Supras. As far as I'm concerned, Supras are just fat (overweight), ugly (what it says) and clumsy (don't perform well outside of the dragstrip or freeway) cars. <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/sigh.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':rolleyes:'> [/tongue-in-cheek]
{flame suit --- ON}</td></tr></table><span id='postcolor'>
True, but on the drug strip they'll push 600 hp on stock internals. That means that u prolly won't have to spend more than 1 grand to get that much power out of a stock turbo supra. Thats like what the fastest KA runs. So i don't think that you should really call supra a worthless pos. I'd say it's one of the strongest drag racing competitors to the domestics.

[aqwkmf]

hoensty im really not sure what i want. i want a sr for now. but after college i want something hardcore. i've always love the fd rx7 since my buddy had one in 96'....i was 10 years old and fell in love with cars from that point on. i also love the z32....as my sig shows and the supra. i agree that the supra is a bigass car so it makes me lean more toward the TTZ32 since the rx7 is not really good on realiability. but shit if i had the money i'd have a z32 and a FD

[adey]

tnord: it's in the "same group" because it is, more akin to the FD (than the supra) in that the 240sx is more tossable and fun to 'throw around' on streets that are not straight (me making a subtle reference to the twisties.)
On that same note, the FD can be both a drag or twisty car, though I personally feel that it's more fit for the canyon than the strip. But yes, that's only my opinion.

Kreator: while I didn't exactly say it was a POS, I did mention that I was impartial towards the Supra and alluded to my personal dislike for drag racing... in fact I felt like I made it quite clear that I wasn't referring to the drag scene. But anyway.

[GotDriftS14]

a 600HP supra is not much better than a 300 or 400 HP supra on the drag strip....funny how that works out...

[Kreator]

GotDrift: eeeeeh... what?? Are you saying that 200hp is just some worthless number?

adey: well you your post could be easily read as supra = pos <img src="http://www.zilvia.net/f/iB_html/non-cgi/emoticons/smile.gif" border="0" valign="absmiddle" alt=':)'>